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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #861
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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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    Agree..

    Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    Oh, the horror.

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    Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

    P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978

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    Stuck in the mud…

    Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
    ONWARD!

    NO MORE MINI BOXES!
    Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
    We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
    Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
    Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
    They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
    Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

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    Maybe they could do that with vinyl releases, like they did with The Lyceum shows. Although I get the impression it didn't sell particularly well.
    I tend to segment them myself, when I listen to them, although I'm glad the cds were released in that mammoth box. I listen to most of them every year - but I couldn't do it consecutively, one show another in one chunk. I take all year about it - then come Spring in the following year...start again.

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    They're just getting warmed up by the time they get to Paris.

    I'm glad they didn't do this, but they could have divvied up the tour into little mini-boxes and it would have worked nicely.

    England Part I (Empire Pool, Newcastle & Bickershaw)
    Denmark (Copenhagen, Aarhus & Copenhagen)
    Germany (Bremen, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich)
    France (Paris, Lille & Luxembourg [close enough])
    The Netherlands (Amsterdam & Rotterdam)
    England Part II (the Lyceum, London)

    The performances by country partner well with each other. By the time they get to Paris they are just getting comfortable in their shoes. 5/3 is the monster and really is a masterpiece, but the second set of 5/4 has a jazzy aloofness to it that really works. The Netherlands shows also partner well with each other.

    But one box is better. I like the way the artwork has a central theme and is personal to each show; one box same artist for each show. Plus, as others have mentioned, at least once in your life the tour should be listened to from start to finish. Separate boxes would have resulted in a disjointed experience.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 14:53

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....between Four Winds and myself. Middle of TN Jed. I'm staring straight at that Morning Dew like a headlight on a northbound train.

What a release Jim, thanks for this pick. I am with Daverock on this one, might be one of the best releases.

I shied away from this one forever, because it was not a complete show. What a huge mistake that was.

Sound quality is A++. If Dave's 34 sounds anything like this we are in for a huge treat.

The China Rider is awesome. Two unreal Eyes. Yes, That Loose Lucy is really good. How about that Morning Dew. WRS, Truckin! All top notch stuff.
To the great soul that turned me on to this release, this one is for you!

Tommorow, we hit up FourWinds pick, From Egypt with Love!

Be well folks!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 19:18

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....features an If I Had The World To Give. A top five song that I wish they played more often. The others?
Gentlemen, Start Your Engines (saw one and it was pretty cool)
Brother Esau (never saw one)
Built To Last (tough lyrics. I get it. Saw two)
Clementine (nada)
France (saw three. In dreams).
Dead & Co brought back World To Give. And they were pretty nice.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 19:41

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On the waterproof shuffle, WOS Road Trips. Both shows are excellent as is the sound. 6/16 highlights for me are China>Rider (powerful), Race is On (one of the better versions, sometimes in these electric versions the vocals are all over the place.. this one is a ok), a monster Eyes (more on this later) and nice Big River and a monster PITB.

Excellent

But 6/18 delivers the goods. One of the all-time Eyes>China Dolls. The performance and transition flawless, poweful and seamless. A jazz masterpiece. I think the version on the GD Movie (10/19?) is more popular and certainly sounds better.. but on the movie soundtrack, they cut and edited out one of the jams. I think the transition from 6/18 is better, and it's my favorite. Not a wasted note or chord, everything on purpose and just exactly right. but I am biased. A high water mark.

WRSuite, TOO, I Know It's a Sin, Stella Blue, and perhaps the best Morning Dew of the period rounds out the release. There is a bit of mayhem but it works.. just be patient. I have gotten used to the I know it's a Sin jam and when I listen to it.. I fill in the words. Powerful stuff. A potent part of the set.

Too bad it's a chop job, but it's a great release.. also, to my ears, this was the show where Jeffrey Norman went from Jeffrey the Grey to Jeffrey the White. This was about the period when he really stepped up his game to wizard status. This sounds (to me) head and antlers above the best copies on the archive. Working directly from the Master Reels and by this point in his career having acquired quite the bag of tricks makes a big difference.

That's all I have. Also.. I was remiss last night asking for more time for the new 74 release. There is a whole other place for that on the Dave's Picks thread. We should keep this the way it is. I like the idea of 5/2/70 on it's birthday and I hope someone brings up the 5/15/70 road trips as well.

Edit: Thank goodness they deemed whitewater kayaking as an acceptable social distance sport.. but the shuttles in the truck are a bit taboo.. but not if you bike the shuttle, which just gives you a little extra alone time to grove to the GD.

On it for Saturday. Good idea Strider, Jim and Vguy.

Vguy, interesting you bring up "If I had the world to give", I used to sing this song to my daughter when she was really young.

Okay, never thought I would post that but you brought it up.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 21:15

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If I had the world to give, I'd give it to you
Long as you live, would you let it fall, or hold it all in your arms?
If I had a song to sing, I'd sing it to you
As long as you live, lullaby or maybe a plain serenade
Wouldn't you laugh, dance, and cry or be afraid at the change you made
I may not have the world to give to you
But maybe I have a tune or two
Only if you let me be your world
Could I ever give this world to you
But I will give what love I have to give,
I will give what love I have to give,
I will give what love I have to give, long as I live.
If I had a star to give, I'd give it to you
Long as you live, would you have the time
To watch it shine, watch it shine
Or ask for the moon and heaven too? I'd give it to you.
Well maybe I've got no star to spare, or anything fine or even rare,
Only if you let me be your world, could I ever give this world to you.
Could I ever give this world to you....
....why they only played this live four or five times is beyond me. The lyrics remind me of Attics Of My Life. Which, incidentally, is a song I sung for my son when he was really young.
They brought that one back, to much rejoicing.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 21:42

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A good time to check the mail. Got a package from Bolo24, CIA.

Gonna let it sit for the required time.. just in case it self destructs or something.

What a hoot. Thanks Bolo.

For what it's worth.. to wide awake to sleep.. youtube is serenading me with the acoustic set of 10/31/80. Works for me.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 22:11

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That is cool Vguy! This band sure brings us all the emotions.

What we all wouldn't give right now to hear, "We will be back in just a little bit, so everybody hang loose." Man, I am trying real hard to hang loose.

Spill the beans Jim, what did Bolo send you for winning the contest?

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 22:32

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Great idea. Count me in. Extra credit for the NRPS set.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 23:17

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I've got the New Riders set.. I will do my best to send it as Alac or Flac to anyone interested. Just PM me.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 02:29

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If I had the world to give, I'd give it to you
Long as you live, would you let it fall, or hold it all in your arms?

I guess we all know the answer. Sorry had to say it!

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 04:40

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You ever listen to the 10/17/78 version that is not on the bonus disc. If you haven't during space right before If I had the World to Give, you can hear a woman say to Jerry "I want to take banjo lessons" He responds that he doesn't do that anymore... bob t

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 05:07

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What a great show! Love the acoustic set . Garcia says something about demon rum right before Dire Wolf.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 05:11

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Mark me down for it.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 05:56

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You saw a lot of great shows!!! P.S. You will never believe it is raining in Rhode Island again!! Be good everyone bob t

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 05:57

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Winterland October 1978

Can any one or TPTB tell me why we can't get all 5 shows released like June '76 box??

Thanks.

PS, Wouldn't be funny if this was the fall box set to be released Oct 6 according to LMG.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 06:19

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Bob T, I didn't make it to this show, I went to the shows on Oct 20 and 21. My brotther told me about this incident with the girl and the banjo lessons. Garcia used to give banjo lessons when he worked at Swain's House of Music down in Palo Alto, my brother knows a couple of guys who took banjo lessons from Garcia back in the early 60s.

I don't teach anymore..

How cool is that? Nice call Bob T and cool story BTK!

WOS Rocked me yesterday, both 6/16 & 6/18 were so great to hear again.
I am fully pumped now for the Jai-Alai Fronton Release.
Can't Wait and well executed stoke you good pickers you.

Waited until later in the day, to get the full effect, and it was wonderful.

The Eyes > China Doll & WRS > TOO > It's A Sin > Stella is such an incredible trip to take.

And having read your posts I knew what was coming all day, and the magic part, even with that and having heard the show many times in the past, I couldn't wait and was excited when they broke into Morning Dew and it is EPIC, better than I'd remembered.

And that's what this trip is all about!!

6/18/74 - Eyes, WRS & Morning Dew up there with best evers.

Alright set the time machine for Winterland October 1978 you say?!?!

Right away!

Had to start with If I Had The World To Give after that sweet serenade last night courtesy of you all.

JIMINMD - What's in the box?

It's gonna be a good day!

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 06:56

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Jim, If you're saying you have that day for NRPS, I'd take a copy. I don't have?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 07:53

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Got em.. will send later today.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 08:10

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I too opted for the full 10/21/78 show - on "Roses" now, and I have enjoyed this show so far, save for Bobby's slide playing during "Sugaree" and "Stagger Lee." My copy of this show (the Miller one that Vguy posted,) sounds pretty darn good.

I know that 5/2/70 DiP 8 is on tap for it's 50th anniversary Saturday, but what about tomorrow? May I suggest DiP 5 - 12/26/79, one of my personal favorite picks, for Friday's listen?

Of course, I think a number of folks should be receiving DaP34 tomorrow... but if not...

Peace

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 09:29

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Thanks, my man!

Ouch - this patch in the climax of "Stella" hurts. Still - this has been a good listen!

Peace

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 12:53

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I have the complete shows on a HD but they aren’t loaded on the microSDXC card that is currently in my music player.
So, chop job it was.
Yes, definitely time for the whole run to be Plangentized, Normanized, and packed up in a nice little Box that fits on a shelf.

I didn’t initially go for RT because I wanted complete shows, not chop jobs. Probably the wrong choice because I missed out on the bonus disc which I believe allows you to reassemble a complete 10-21 set2.
But, all that can be remedied with the release of a Winterland Oct. 78 Box. Bring it on Dave.

Now I’ve ventured into torrent territory and am listening to 3-25-83 148801.Clugston.
Sound quality is not terrible, but the cymbals are a bit too loud.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 13:23

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Definitely a different feel than our listen yesterday with the wonderful RT2.3.

Sound quality is mediocre at best and I agree the patches are rough.

Does anyone have a tracking arrival date for tomorrow for Dave's #34.

Mine still is saying label created.

Conekid, check your PM.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 14:30

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Agreed! Not the same high as yesterdays '74 trip.. But The Other One is ripping and has a moment of IT for sure.

Actually having listened again, I'm surprised that this got released with the number of patches that were required. I'm not holding my breath on a rerelease.. there's so much other stuff in that there Vault.

Fun to revisit.

12/26/79 tomorrow you say? So Be It!

I might have to dig in to some 5/1/70 for it's 50th as well.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 15:30

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I replied to PM

But I wasn’t into chop jobs.
I did start ordering when full shows started coming and I got those bonus discs.

I also didn’t order Rockin’ The Rhein, and missed out on that bonus disc. Still don’t know why I didn’t order it.

....just wrapped up. 6.8 goonie birds out of 10. Mojo working goes on a little too long, but everything after that was fire. Very nice Must have Been The Roses. Moving onto an anniversary of a show i attended. Irvine Meadows 4.30.89. Box Of Rain, Iko to open the second set.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 16:05

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Thanks!

Luckily we have a new C. M. audience release so there is a better patch for the Stella Blue and some other small patches but, on a bad note the taper only got a partial set 1 so no new patch for Sugaree which sucks.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 16:54

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If ya don't mind me calling you that. Is this the NRPS 5/2 you have?

nrps1970-05-02.sbd.reel master.cass.dat.flac16

Thanks!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 18:25

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Ollin> Promised, Sugaree, Ramble On, Passenger, LLR, all good! Stagger- Miracle brings it down.

Bertha, Good Love it's back, MHBTR sweet, Estimated blowing the roof off! He's Gone okay, this show kinda goes up and down. Mojo starts out nice, TOO - Stella - Sugar Mag all good. I got them U.S. Blues.

I think I blew or singed a voice coil in the mid-range speaker yesterday. I got a Emotive xpa-2 amp 70lb monster (all most gave the Fedex guy a hernia). Hard to find speakers that this thing can't blow out. Thinking of going with Airmotiv T2+ loudspeaker anyone familiar with these speakers?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 18:33

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Yes, there are two versions actually.. I haven't had time to see which one sounds better yet. I think the one that comes as a whole show is slightly better.. I need to figure that out a couple people hit me up.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 18:46

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The one I have listed is the SIRMick seed.

NeW Riders Of The Purple Sage
Harpur College
Binghampton, NY
Saturday, May 2, 1970

Source: Soundboard > Reel Master > Cassette > DAT (48k)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 20:40

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You might just have a better version than the two I have. It seems to be one or two steps closer to the master reel and my best, although it's a soundboard, has just a touch of hiss.

Shot you a message..

If you could compare All I Ever Wanted from yours to this..

https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-02.sbd-fm-aud.unknown.108955.flac…

That should give us the answer. Yours seems to be a generation or two better.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 05/01/2020 - 07:36

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If there is any interest in the more complete version I am seeding it at the etree.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=588035

NeW Riders Of The Purple Sage
Harpur College
Binghampton, NY
Saturday, May 2, 1970

Source: Soundboard > Reel Master > Cassette > DAT (48k)

01 //Workingman's Blues
02 Brown Eyed Handsome Man
03 Truck Drivin' Man
04 If You Hear Me When I'm Leavin'
05 tuning
06 Whatcha Gonna Do//
07 All I Ever Wanted
08 Henry
09 Lodi
10 Weir intro and tuning
11 Saw Mill *
12 The Race Is On *
13 Mama Tried *
14 Me And My Uncle *
15 The Weight

John 'Marmaduke' Dawson - rhythm guitar, vocals
David Nelson - lead guitar, vocals
David Torbert - bass, vocals
Jerry Garcia - pedal steel guitar
Mickey Hart - drums

guest:

Bob Weir - guitar, vocals *

Notes:

- This has been provided by an anonymous source.
- There were several nasty high-pitched squeals caused by feedback, which have been removed and some level adjustments have been made.
- Although the start of "Workingman's Blues" is cut this is the first time that any of it has circulated. It's completely missing from the FM source.

edited and mastered
SIRMick
March 2013

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 05/01/2020 - 08:13

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Along with 8/13/75 this made me a dead head... I love this version so much.... I use to listen to it every day in college before I started getting tapes... bob t.... P.S. i am excited to hear Donna tonight!!! bob t

Cool to hear your story re: Wharf Rat & 8/13/75

Definitely have some tunes like that, first Dead album I got was WALSTIB from the ole Columbia Records and Tapes club, 11 Albums for a Penny!

Anything from that album takes me back but in particular Born Cross-Eyed and that Europe '72 Jack Straw.

Despite heavy rotation in bootleg circles, never heard 8/13/75 until the Dead released One From The Vault.
But I was stoked when I did get it.

And I totally forgot about Donna tonight! She's a kick, thanks for the flash:)

How's 12/26/79 going everyone? I had to get some 50 year old 5/1/70 in my ear hole.