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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1301
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    Man I wish I had time….for anything lol
    I’ll try to check some more of these audio anomalies out this WE.
    Hit me with examples if ya got em.

    Ive noticed this phenomenon with other recordings, think mostly 71-72s.
    Definitely could be tape degradation and/or perhaps a little oversaturated originally, but I think there’s amp distortion going on too? They were still mostly using dirty fender power at this stage. So like any real Rock and roller by the end of the night the amps are on 11 etc and with those old tube power sections/power supplies their easy to overdrive.
    By 73 they had pretty much fully switched to big McIntosh power amps, though they were still using the Fenders for pre amps. Like your pre amp at home though, you wouldn’t be pushing the pre amp that much (let the power amp do the heavy lifting). Think overworking a small car engine versus barely stepping on a big V8.
    Could be compromised cabling somewhere. Could be dirty and/or insufficient venue power too? That’s the problem with E lic tri city though, could be a number of things. Probably a bit of all the above…

    Yep BC, glad your digging the nice February weather. These days where it’s sunny and up in the 30s, “it’s gold Jerry, gold I tell ya! I should try to check out the ole St Louie, Louie, box, another I’ve barely been introduced too.
    Hoping 🤞I might be getting a little quality time off soon.

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    The '72 shows from the not quite the Fox Box have been in and out of the disc drive several times the past few weeks. All great for sure. I know first run through that it was the 10/19 jam that really kinda floored me. Yesterday listening to 10/18 again with the sound quality question in mind. One thing that struck me was that Keith sounded muddy and almost sort of kind of out of tune. I pay a lot of attention to Keith's playing, especially the "earlier days." Something was off and my guess was it was a SBD thing, how he was miked, and not Keith. (Edit - or as Jim suggests maybe some tape degradation.) Bobby's guitar also sounded a bit fuzzed in a recording artifact kind of way, though not unpleasant in any sense. But none of that stopped me from a thoroughly enjoyable listen. There was a point during the Dark Star where I was suddenly in a zone of complete wonder - a place that reminded me of my first deep "now I understand" listen to the Rotterdam Dark Star (on my weird balance SBD many many years before the box.) A really very cool place to be inside the music. So yes, that Disc 2 is some serious magic. One thing struck me as funny is Donna's yell in the Playing Reprise. I have no issues with her singing in those early days, truly dig it. And that Donna Playing ROAR was maybe the most primal vocalization I've ever heard from her. She was feeling the "Holy Spirit" big time!! Loved her quick soft little "Thank you Thank you Thank you" after it was all said and done. Another truly epic jam sequence.
    Listening to 10/19 Disc 1 right now this morning. Keith is hard right - i think he was slightly left of center 10/18. A little lower in the mix, tone sounds better to my ear. I'd have to do a hard A / B to be sure that my thoughts are correct on that. Now on Sugaree and Keith's piano and Jerry's vocals have now moved to center of the sound stage. I think Keith sounds a little better than 10/18 but still a tiny bit muffled? Maybe its my brain, who knows.
    Thanks DV for suggesting 10/18 awhile ago. I feel like these are my first really good deep listens to the '72 shows from that box. Like you said, great stuff. I ran through '73 a week or so ago and need to revisit that. At the time I remember thinking that the '72 resonated with me more and given that '73 is generally a big fat sweet spot for me I know that my head may have been ever so slightly out of alignment.
    To echo KeithFan over on the 45 thread - I'm really really digging Dave's 45. Spectacular sound. Great playing. Boy are we some lucky Deadheads. It was 10/1 Set II that really got me first run through. The Black Peter is so freaking gorgeous. And then the "random current" of that CB or whatever for a couple seconds and its like oh my freaking goodness. I can only laugh. Really, Universe? I first heard 1/31 NOLA last year while exploring a little around the 2/6/70 Fox (personal favorite.) I remember being very pleasantly surprised to find that they played that acoustic set. I think every single acoustic set they have in the vault needs to be released. Gave 1/31 acoustic another run through Sunday morning. Woke up from a short nap late Sunday afternoon and had Sawmill chorus running through my head again and again. I"m like "What is this song? where do I know it from? Oh Yeah, Bobby sings it on 1/31!" Talk about a poor boy, talk about a poor boy, let me have a dollar bill.
    Nice Poster Oro!! Your first show! Glad that the Almanac shone a light on your post - hadn't seen it. Another beautiful day here in paradise. Always loved this time of year in the high desierto. Onward!!

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    I have to revisit this.. but I think I recalled thinking something similar and attributed it to someone spinning the master reel a couple times too many before they locked it away. All three nights are good, but 10/18 is probably my favorite of the bunch, it would not surprise me a bit that someone on the inside thought so too. That and the BCT shows a month and a half earlier are both special runs from a special year.

    For kicks and giggles.. check out the Morning Dew from 5/26/72 at the Lyceum from the E72 box and then listen to it from the version on Europe 72. There is static on the box set version where the original sounds crystal clear. The masters degrade especially when people with two left thumbs (like me) handle them. A lot of the early shows suffer from this, listen to 4/18/70 (the Mountain Girl returned reels) sound and frankly a lot of 69.

    Well, at least someone remembered to hit record. Didn't Sony or one of the other music houses have their entire archive burn down a decade or so ago? Image the horror if GD masters were lost in a fire.🔥🔥🔥😭

    Been gone a bit lately.. spending quality time in the hospital with my aging parents. They seem to be on the mend though, which puts me back home and in good spirits. I hope to participate more as I get back on line with work and fun.

    Thanks for keeping the train a rollin' guys.

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    Listen to the River 72

    Thanks for looking into it OB.
    I have noticed it on all three CDs from 10/18. I don't hear it on 10/17 or 10/19, which I think are both smoking!

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    Yeah

    I only listened to disc 2, but yeah, now that you mention it…
    Seemed to get more noticeable near the end?

    I notice occasionally on 71-72s…some is just the actual distorting of the amps from playing loud…

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    Hey OB, did you notice any distortion on 10/18?

    I think 10/17 and 19 sound spectacular.

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    Hit 10/2/77, thinking set one of 11/6 for comparison and/or jam section of 10/18/72 since y’all were sniffing around there recently I believe?
    Representing DV after my 15 seconds of fame lol.
    Poster came to me outta left field like much of the better things GD over the years!
    In 85 I believe my cousin saw it somewhere, snagged it, then later gave it to me for Xmass.
    One of my most prized possessions.

    EDIT: first set of 11/6 rocks, definitely a difference.
    10/18/72 Disc 2, Magnifico! That’s just what the Dr ordered!

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    The warehouse, okay what was this venue? Recording is really good. As you said OB, raw is a good way to describe it, until the equipment blew.
    Enjoyed the show, good Dire Wolf, Big Boss Man, Morning Dew. Different acoustic songs in the mix to close the show. Interesting show.
    Thank you Doc.

    Like the new picture OB. Sweet poster. I hear you on the work front. Hard to squeeze them in sometimes.

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    Hit 10/1 of Vol 45 with a 1/31/70 chaser.
    Quite the juxtaposition! From Hollywood smooth clean dead, to raucous ruff & dirty dead lol.
    Interesting show. Starts out ruff but builds nicely.
    Good Dew, great HTH! Masons always fun, if perhaps a little sloppy, and the acoustic set was awesome!

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    Sorry DV

    This job I gots just a little too hard…

    Your synopsis of both shows pretty much covers it.
    Can’t get enough of those 73 Dark Stars, Eyes, etc!
    I did 2/17 also last WE for extra credit and it’s better than the set list might indicate.
    The HCSS>China Cat>Rider is worth the price of admission alone!
    Good sheet Mon!

    Definitely going to need to fill up the ole dead bank again this WE.
    The other one has to work so I’ll be looking for some hi fi Dead like my sanity depends on it…which it does!
    Perhaps 45 if the phuching USPS pulls their head outta their arse!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 14:53

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....between Four Winds and myself. Middle of TN Jed. I'm staring straight at that Morning Dew like a headlight on a northbound train.

What a release Jim, thanks for this pick. I am with Daverock on this one, might be one of the best releases.

I shied away from this one forever, because it was not a complete show. What a huge mistake that was.

Sound quality is A++. If Dave's 34 sounds anything like this we are in for a huge treat.

The China Rider is awesome. Two unreal Eyes. Yes, That Loose Lucy is really good. How about that Morning Dew. WRS, Truckin! All top notch stuff.
To the great soul that turned me on to this release, this one is for you!

Tommorow, we hit up FourWinds pick, From Egypt with Love!

Be well folks!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 19:18

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....features an If I Had The World To Give. A top five song that I wish they played more often. The others?
Gentlemen, Start Your Engines (saw one and it was pretty cool)
Brother Esau (never saw one)
Built To Last (tough lyrics. I get it. Saw two)
Clementine (nada)
France (saw three. In dreams).
Dead & Co brought back World To Give. And they were pretty nice.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 19:41

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On the waterproof shuffle, WOS Road Trips. Both shows are excellent as is the sound. 6/16 highlights for me are China>Rider (powerful), Race is On (one of the better versions, sometimes in these electric versions the vocals are all over the place.. this one is a ok), a monster Eyes (more on this later) and nice Big River and a monster PITB.

Excellent

But 6/18 delivers the goods. One of the all-time Eyes>China Dolls. The performance and transition flawless, poweful and seamless. A jazz masterpiece. I think the version on the GD Movie (10/19?) is more popular and certainly sounds better.. but on the movie soundtrack, they cut and edited out one of the jams. I think the transition from 6/18 is better, and it's my favorite. Not a wasted note or chord, everything on purpose and just exactly right. but I am biased. A high water mark.

WRSuite, TOO, I Know It's a Sin, Stella Blue, and perhaps the best Morning Dew of the period rounds out the release. There is a bit of mayhem but it works.. just be patient. I have gotten used to the I know it's a Sin jam and when I listen to it.. I fill in the words. Powerful stuff. A potent part of the set.

Too bad it's a chop job, but it's a great release.. also, to my ears, this was the show where Jeffrey Norman went from Jeffrey the Grey to Jeffrey the White. This was about the period when he really stepped up his game to wizard status. This sounds (to me) head and antlers above the best copies on the archive. Working directly from the Master Reels and by this point in his career having acquired quite the bag of tricks makes a big difference.

That's all I have. Also.. I was remiss last night asking for more time for the new 74 release. There is a whole other place for that on the Dave's Picks thread. We should keep this the way it is. I like the idea of 5/2/70 on it's birthday and I hope someone brings up the 5/15/70 road trips as well.

Edit: Thank goodness they deemed whitewater kayaking as an acceptable social distance sport.. but the shuttles in the truck are a bit taboo.. but not if you bike the shuttle, which just gives you a little extra alone time to grove to the GD.

On it for Saturday. Good idea Strider, Jim and Vguy.

Vguy, interesting you bring up "If I had the world to give", I used to sing this song to my daughter when she was really young.

Okay, never thought I would post that but you brought it up.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 21:15

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If I had the world to give, I'd give it to you
Long as you live, would you let it fall, or hold it all in your arms?
If I had a song to sing, I'd sing it to you
As long as you live, lullaby or maybe a plain serenade
Wouldn't you laugh, dance, and cry or be afraid at the change you made
I may not have the world to give to you
But maybe I have a tune or two
Only if you let me be your world
Could I ever give this world to you
But I will give what love I have to give,
I will give what love I have to give,
I will give what love I have to give, long as I live.
If I had a star to give, I'd give it to you
Long as you live, would you have the time
To watch it shine, watch it shine
Or ask for the moon and heaven too? I'd give it to you.
Well maybe I've got no star to spare, or anything fine or even rare,
Only if you let me be your world, could I ever give this world to you.
Could I ever give this world to you....
....why they only played this live four or five times is beyond me. The lyrics remind me of Attics Of My Life. Which, incidentally, is a song I sung for my son when he was really young.
They brought that one back, to much rejoicing.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 21:42

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A good time to check the mail. Got a package from Bolo24, CIA.

Gonna let it sit for the required time.. just in case it self destructs or something.

What a hoot. Thanks Bolo.

For what it's worth.. to wide awake to sleep.. youtube is serenading me with the acoustic set of 10/31/80. Works for me.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 22:11

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That is cool Vguy! This band sure brings us all the emotions.

What we all wouldn't give right now to hear, "We will be back in just a little bit, so everybody hang loose." Man, I am trying real hard to hang loose.

Spill the beans Jim, what did Bolo send you for winning the contest?

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 22:32

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Great idea. Count me in. Extra credit for the NRPS set.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 04/29/2020 - 23:17

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I've got the New Riders set.. I will do my best to send it as Alac or Flac to anyone interested. Just PM me.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 02:29

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If I had the world to give, I'd give it to you
Long as you live, would you let it fall, or hold it all in your arms?

I guess we all know the answer. Sorry had to say it!

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 04:40

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You ever listen to the 10/17/78 version that is not on the bonus disc. If you haven't during space right before If I had the World to Give, you can hear a woman say to Jerry "I want to take banjo lessons" He responds that he doesn't do that anymore... bob t

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 05:07

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What a great show! Love the acoustic set . Garcia says something about demon rum right before Dire Wolf.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 05:11

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Mark me down for it.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 05:56

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You saw a lot of great shows!!! P.S. You will never believe it is raining in Rhode Island again!! Be good everyone bob t

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 05:57

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Winterland October 1978

Can any one or TPTB tell me why we can't get all 5 shows released like June '76 box??

Thanks.

PS, Wouldn't be funny if this was the fall box set to be released Oct 6 according to LMG.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 06:19

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Bob T, I didn't make it to this show, I went to the shows on Oct 20 and 21. My brotther told me about this incident with the girl and the banjo lessons. Garcia used to give banjo lessons when he worked at Swain's House of Music down in Palo Alto, my brother knows a couple of guys who took banjo lessons from Garcia back in the early 60s.

I don't teach anymore..

How cool is that? Nice call Bob T and cool story BTK!

WOS Rocked me yesterday, both 6/16 & 6/18 were so great to hear again.
I am fully pumped now for the Jai-Alai Fronton Release.
Can't Wait and well executed stoke you good pickers you.

Waited until later in the day, to get the full effect, and it was wonderful.

The Eyes > China Doll & WRS > TOO > It's A Sin > Stella is such an incredible trip to take.

And having read your posts I knew what was coming all day, and the magic part, even with that and having heard the show many times in the past, I couldn't wait and was excited when they broke into Morning Dew and it is EPIC, better than I'd remembered.

And that's what this trip is all about!!

6/18/74 - Eyes, WRS & Morning Dew up there with best evers.

Alright set the time machine for Winterland October 1978 you say?!?!

Right away!

Had to start with If I Had The World To Give after that sweet serenade last night courtesy of you all.

JIMINMD - What's in the box?

It's gonna be a good day!

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 06:56

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Jim, If you're saying you have that day for NRPS, I'd take a copy. I don't have?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 07:53

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Got em.. will send later today.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 08:10

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I too opted for the full 10/21/78 show - on "Roses" now, and I have enjoyed this show so far, save for Bobby's slide playing during "Sugaree" and "Stagger Lee." My copy of this show (the Miller one that Vguy posted,) sounds pretty darn good.

I know that 5/2/70 DiP 8 is on tap for it's 50th anniversary Saturday, but what about tomorrow? May I suggest DiP 5 - 12/26/79, one of my personal favorite picks, for Friday's listen?

Of course, I think a number of folks should be receiving DaP34 tomorrow... but if not...

Peace

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 09:29

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Thanks, my man!

Ouch - this patch in the climax of "Stella" hurts. Still - this has been a good listen!

Peace

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 12:53

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I have the complete shows on a HD but they aren’t loaded on the microSDXC card that is currently in my music player.
So, chop job it was.
Yes, definitely time for the whole run to be Plangentized, Normanized, and packed up in a nice little Box that fits on a shelf.

I didn’t initially go for RT because I wanted complete shows, not chop jobs. Probably the wrong choice because I missed out on the bonus disc which I believe allows you to reassemble a complete 10-21 set2.
But, all that can be remedied with the release of a Winterland Oct. 78 Box. Bring it on Dave.

Now I’ve ventured into torrent territory and am listening to 3-25-83 148801.Clugston.
Sound quality is not terrible, but the cymbals are a bit too loud.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 13:23

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Definitely a different feel than our listen yesterday with the wonderful RT2.3.

Sound quality is mediocre at best and I agree the patches are rough.

Does anyone have a tracking arrival date for tomorrow for Dave's #34.

Mine still is saying label created.

Conekid, check your PM.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 14:30

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Agreed! Not the same high as yesterdays '74 trip.. But The Other One is ripping and has a moment of IT for sure.

Actually having listened again, I'm surprised that this got released with the number of patches that were required. I'm not holding my breath on a rerelease.. there's so much other stuff in that there Vault.

Fun to revisit.

12/26/79 tomorrow you say? So Be It!

I might have to dig in to some 5/1/70 for it's 50th as well.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 15:30

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I replied to PM

But I wasn’t into chop jobs.
I did start ordering when full shows started coming and I got those bonus discs.

I also didn’t order Rockin’ The Rhein, and missed out on that bonus disc. Still don’t know why I didn’t order it.

....just wrapped up. 6.8 goonie birds out of 10. Mojo working goes on a little too long, but everything after that was fire. Very nice Must have Been The Roses. Moving onto an anniversary of a show i attended. Irvine Meadows 4.30.89. Box Of Rain, Iko to open the second set.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 16:05

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Thanks!

Luckily we have a new C. M. audience release so there is a better patch for the Stella Blue and some other small patches but, on a bad note the taper only got a partial set 1 so no new patch for Sugaree which sucks.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 16:54

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If ya don't mind me calling you that. Is this the NRPS 5/2 you have?

nrps1970-05-02.sbd.reel master.cass.dat.flac16

Thanks!

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 18:25

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Ollin> Promised, Sugaree, Ramble On, Passenger, LLR, all good! Stagger- Miracle brings it down.

Bertha, Good Love it's back, MHBTR sweet, Estimated blowing the roof off! He's Gone okay, this show kinda goes up and down. Mojo starts out nice, TOO - Stella - Sugar Mag all good. I got them U.S. Blues.

I think I blew or singed a voice coil in the mid-range speaker yesterday. I got a Emotive xpa-2 amp 70lb monster (all most gave the Fedex guy a hernia). Hard to find speakers that this thing can't blow out. Thinking of going with Airmotiv T2+ loudspeaker anyone familiar with these speakers?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 18:33

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Yes, there are two versions actually.. I haven't had time to see which one sounds better yet. I think the one that comes as a whole show is slightly better.. I need to figure that out a couple people hit me up.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 18:46

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The one I have listed is the SIRMick seed.

NeW Riders Of The Purple Sage
Harpur College
Binghampton, NY
Saturday, May 2, 1970

Source: Soundboard > Reel Master > Cassette > DAT (48k)

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 04/30/2020 - 20:40

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You might just have a better version than the two I have. It seems to be one or two steps closer to the master reel and my best, although it's a soundboard, has just a touch of hiss.

Shot you a message..

If you could compare All I Ever Wanted from yours to this..

https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-02.sbd-fm-aud.unknown.108955.flac…

That should give us the answer. Yours seems to be a generation or two better.

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Submitted by fourwindsblow on Fri, 05/01/2020 - 07:36

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If there is any interest in the more complete version I am seeding it at the etree.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?torrentId=588035

NeW Riders Of The Purple Sage
Harpur College
Binghampton, NY
Saturday, May 2, 1970

Source: Soundboard > Reel Master > Cassette > DAT (48k)

01 //Workingman's Blues
02 Brown Eyed Handsome Man
03 Truck Drivin' Man
04 If You Hear Me When I'm Leavin'
05 tuning
06 Whatcha Gonna Do//
07 All I Ever Wanted
08 Henry
09 Lodi
10 Weir intro and tuning
11 Saw Mill *
12 The Race Is On *
13 Mama Tried *
14 Me And My Uncle *
15 The Weight

John 'Marmaduke' Dawson - rhythm guitar, vocals
David Nelson - lead guitar, vocals
David Torbert - bass, vocals
Jerry Garcia - pedal steel guitar
Mickey Hart - drums

guest:

Bob Weir - guitar, vocals *

Notes:

- This has been provided by an anonymous source.
- There were several nasty high-pitched squeals caused by feedback, which have been removed and some level adjustments have been made.
- Although the start of "Workingman's Blues" is cut this is the first time that any of it has circulated. It's completely missing from the FM source.

edited and mastered
SIRMick
March 2013

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 05/01/2020 - 08:13

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Along with 8/13/75 this made me a dead head... I love this version so much.... I use to listen to it every day in college before I started getting tapes... bob t.... P.S. i am excited to hear Donna tonight!!! bob t

Cool to hear your story re: Wharf Rat & 8/13/75

Definitely have some tunes like that, first Dead album I got was WALSTIB from the ole Columbia Records and Tapes club, 11 Albums for a Penny!

Anything from that album takes me back but in particular Born Cross-Eyed and that Europe '72 Jack Straw.

Despite heavy rotation in bootleg circles, never heard 8/13/75 until the Dead released One From The Vault.
But I was stoked when I did get it.

And I totally forgot about Donna tonight! She's a kick, thanks for the flash:)

How's 12/26/79 going everyone? I had to get some 50 year old 5/1/70 in my ear hole.