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    "To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

    ¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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  • Oroborous
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    What ever the reason...

    if it turns out to be a mass defect and not just a few unfortunate individual cases, then it’s BS and they should at least investigate if not replace the discs like Jim said. What do they do now when you have a bad disc? ala PNW etc... I believe folks said they would just send discs?
    Fortunately I’ve never had a big problem (perhaps 2 or 3 skips out of hundreds of discs) but I have had some discs that were hard to rip. I have excellent Exact Audio copy ripping SW and never have problems with other manufacturers discs. The 30 Trips music only addition took forever to rip some discs (not because of scratches or other physical anomaly’s). If not for the EAC I probably wouldn’t have been able to rip some at all! Interestingly, these problems have only been with more current rhino releases, NEVER any of my pre rhino Dead releases...
    Back in 86, like Vguy, Sargent Peppers was the second CD I ever bought and though often the master tape used, the digital conversion and mastering on many early discs is lackluster, but at least every single disc from way back then still plays fine. So why then are these relative new discs bad, and why even today, does rhino have so many problems and defects?
    Yes Charlie you have a valid point IF the problems were rare, and if the sample sizes were small, but that hasn’t seemed to be the case. It just doesn’t seem like such widespread, repeating issues anywhere else? Maybe the fault rates aren’t that unusual and it’s just because we’re all so vigilant and vocal here, thus we think it’s a bigger problem then normal?
    All I know is these rhino releases are pretty much the only discs I’ve had problems with since 1986 when I bought my first CD player...truly hope this is just another small sample and not a systemic problem or things are going to get weird around here....

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    All my cds were acquired by subscription through deadnet. They were all stored in the same box and it seems like it is only the first 4 Dave s Picks that are a problem. I played Dave s Picks 5 and it is fine, thank goodness, Dave s 5 was stored right next to the first 4.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    That’s what Rhino used to ‘write’ these CD’s.

    It should come as no surprise that some of the CD’s are bad. Pretty much every release has defective discs that have to be replaced. Some were probably slightly defective but got worse with handling/storage conditions.

    But don’t panic too much yet. Take a CD that now appears defective and make a copy to a HD, then listen to the files. They might be OK.
    I have had it both ways with Rhino CD’s, for example, last year I bought RT Fall 77 when someone pointed out that it was being sold with the bonus disc. All the CD’s played fine on my Onkyo CD player, but were defective when I made copies on my HD. But, each copy on the HD was defective in different places. I used 2 computers and 2 different CD burners to make a total of 7 copies on a HD. I was then able to piece together a complete RT (actually broke up the tracks by date) using the 7 copies, which had defects in different places.

    6-17-76 CD3, notorious for Rhino having to redo the CD twice. My CD3 that had skips and static when played on my Onkyo CD player ripped flawlessly to a HD on the first try.

    Skull Fuck - Golden Road Box, plays fine on my Onkyo but I could never get a good copy on a HD, it always had skips and static.

    I’ll check my DaP’s this weekend to see if they have degraded (I’m back at work this week which is good, but now I don’t get to listen to as much GOGD during the day as I did over the last 2 months).

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    I have a grand piano and guitars. My home is kept between 45-55% humidity all year and the temp. is kept constant between 64 and 72 degrees.

    I purchased all of the discs through Dead.net and am the original owner of all the discs. My DaP discs are kept in their original cases and the amount of play over the life of each disc is less than 30-40 hours on each disc.

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    Yeah, absolutely a mess and a bummer. Given that not all of these 2012 DaP discs seem to have failed, I'm just curious about the storage and handling conditions for the discs that have failed and if they were acquired directly through deadnet or had passed through a few hands on the secondary market. It could very well turn out that deadnet or Rhino made some questionable choices but I haven't seen anything to indicate that at this point, so I'm just reserving judgment on blame. Definitely the stuff of nightmares for an OCD CD collector.

  • JimInMD
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    I hear that Charlie.. not saying this was a purposeful act, in fact I suspect Rhino might not have even pulled the trigger. I haven't had the time to check my discs yet.. but if all this is true, it is a bit of a mess.

    I look at it more like that bad batch of PVC piping that had to be replaced in everyone's homes or the decade or so the sheetrock from China was subpar.

  • wilfredtjones
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    Not playing at all :-(

    My next step after getting through 3 and 4 will be to move on to other players. I should stop reporting now unless others begin to report issues. I have everything digitized but I would love replacement discs! I would not need any packaging! How many think that could really happen?

    Worse things in the world, but...

    Moving on to 3.

  • Charlie3
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    Wow...

    ...I think of myself as pretty cynical but I'm not seeing the reported disc degradation as evidence of some deadnet/Rhino plot to scam us out of our money for an inferior product. Is it possible some of these discs were stored in poor conditions? Is it possible that even a reliable manufacturer has unforeseen problems leading to failure of the product 8 years later? Is it possible deadnet/Rhino did not just find the cheapest fly-by-night outfit they could find to manufacture these discs? Do they deserve any benefit of the doubt? If I'm ever on trial accused of a crime, I hope you guys aren't on the jury.

  • unkle sam
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    This is hard to swallow, what can be done about this? I have every one of these Dave's discs and have never opened them, now what, will they play? will they rot? will the sun shine on my back door someday? I have purchased every box set since the europe 72 box and I think I will put them all up on ebay now. what to do about these Dave's? I think I too have bought my last Dave's subscription, what a shame I do love the Grateful Dead so. Funny, I have disc's I purchased in the early 90's that still look and play great, why have these gone bad in just 8 years? Sounds like an investigation is warranted, can we all get a refund for these discs? can anyone who works here or at rhino check on that for us please. Hey Dave, will you address this, they have your name on them, if I was in this position, I would demand an investigation as to why the greatest music ever made has been put on inferior media. Wow, this is real bad for Rhino and Dead net.
    I was right all along, Rhino is a lousy music company. I am done with Rhino. Greed rules again. I guess the only way to keep getting new Dead music is to get a copy from a friend, rip it right away and give it back, that way you get the great music we all love and don't get ripped off in the process. It just doesn't make since, spend all that time to remaster all these releases and then put them on subpar media, who's stupid idea was that? some suit who works at rhino and can only see $ signs? I guess we can all just buy vinyl, or has Rhino put all of that music on faulty media too? Who knows, we might never know but one thing is for sure, Rhino and Dead net just lost a buttload of trust and probably more than one customer. First Trump, then Corona, now Grateful Dead music on shitty discs, the world is truly coming to an end. Oh wait that caveat emptor thing might cover their asses on Dicks picks, is that same caveat emptor on Dave's as well? Don't recall seeing that on any of those.

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    ..but They could replace just the discs and not the packaging without breaking the bank.

    They could even finance it with a special ala cart release like Nightfall of Diamonds. Think of the goodwill that would produce, and in the end it's the right thing to do.

    Three comments:
    - They could replace just the discs.
    - How much was saved by switching to whatever production decision was made to get lesser quality blanks.
    - I suspect this was outsourced and the decision to go cheap was made by whoever they outsourced it to.

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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It should definitely be here by 1:30 p.m. tomorrow according to my most recent update. Of all the late comers.

Jimbo - I'm going to go with Cumberland.

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It's a majestic release. Thank you to all involved.

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I was lucky enough to see the Screaming Trees & Soundgarden at the Cat's Cradle in Chapel Hill, NC in '88 or '89 I think.
Two bands that have stood the tests of time, for my liking anyway. Trees always make me feel like I'm listening to a 90's version of the Stooges or something. Low-key psychedelia in the 90's....

Also, my first listen to the fabled Jai-Alai...so far, so good. I get it.
Get some...

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I zipped you a late pm.

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I zipped you a late pm.

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The tracking notice had it set for delivery last Saturday and my entire evening was planned around it-- one of those first beautiful Michigan Spring days to sit on a westward facing back porch, sunglasses, pint, etc. By the time five o'clock rolled around, I knew it wasn't happening.

Updated notice came in today and advised of the package being routed to the incorrect post office. So plan now will be for this coming Saturday, with cold rain and possible snow mix in the forecast. Urghhhh. But will still be better than a Saturday without a new Dave's Picks :-D)

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May 1, 2020 Pre-Shipment Info Sent to USPS, USPS Awaiting Item

For five days this is what tracking has said. Now says out for delivery!

Keep the faith it's coming.

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This show is unreal when compared to the cassette tape I had from earlier! Yes, yes, yes. Also thank you to that board member who was speaking of a cache of entrusted photos from a long gone friend. I asked for them to be posted and you mentioned that had to go somewhere special or nowhere at all. I was a hopeful but didn't know I'd be seeing some of them inside this newest Dave's Picks. Nice work sir, your dear friend would be proud where they ended up and now they are forever part of the Dead Archive, very very cool! Not to mention an honorable word from Dave himself. Cheers!

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Yeah we are talking about the same show, that Field Trip disc was unreleased and is back in print with a remastering as someone mentioned. Can't wait til my copy arrives and give it fresh listen, but the vinyl for RSD 2020 in June has really got me drooling. Now I can have the whole damn day on vinyl. Weird how this stuff can just be had from another time and place, wonderful.

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Crazy cowboy guy, always shooting guns around Bugs Bunny right?

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So, according to the tracking for DaP 34, "Shipment received acceptance pending" at my local P.O. But nothing yet, so I called the P.O. and the helpful guy there informed me that no, the package is not there and in fact Dave's 34 is "not even in the system yet." Meaning that the sender generated the label and the P.O. theoretically accepted the assignment to transport... but the actual physical object has never been brought to the Post Office for shipping. It's not that it is stuck at the P.O. -- according to this guy, it has not even been sent yet.

Can anybody help with this? I tried to PM Marye but her name is not accepted when I try to type it in... Is there an email I can try? Dr. Rhino or someone? This is frustrating... First world problems I know, but still.

Thanks...

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I had the pending status until yesterday evening too, but then bing bang boom, out for delivery. just hang on tight :)

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I have the same this thing here in Maryland. UPS and USPS are both pointing fingers at each other, and playing the COVID19 card.

I just want a realistic expectation for when I’ll receive this item. Instead it’s in a black hole.

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Yep, my Dave's has also been hung up since Saturday morning when UPS handed it over to USPS. No further updates since then. USPS tracking still says, "Your shipment was received at 9:00 am on May 2, 2020 in MIDLAND, TX 79711. The acceptance of your package is pending." UPS tracking still states package will be "delivered on May 2 by end of day." Lame.

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My copy was received by UPS in Fontana, CA on Mayday. The same day it got passed to the post office and subsequently processed by the international carrier. Now it seems to be waiting on a trans-pond flight. Could be a while due to the current paucity of flights.

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Mine came yesterday, one for me and one for my brother. I live in the S.F. Bay Area. Now it's time for the Workingman"s Dead & American Beauty 50th anniversary release. I hope they release a full live 1970 show for each one, acoustic and electric. Or maybe more, maybe a 10 show box set, more the merrier! It will probably go on sale in June.

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I received this on Friday, which was a nice surprise because it seems I typically receive mine at the end of the delivery cycle for this side of the pond, despite dwelling close to the center of the postal universe.

I'm through the 1st set and my first impression is that Garcia's lead playing during Bobby's verse singing is just off the charts. He's not really playing fills. He's playing continuously and its just blistering, interesting note runs he's absolutely nailing. Particularly on Black Throated Wind and El Paso.

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Dead - 4-29-72 - Hamburg
Dylan - Knocked Out Loaded
Dylan - Oh Mercy
Dylan - Pat Garret and Billy the Kid
Dylan - Street Legal

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Finished DaP 34 this morning, which was sweet!

Garcia Live #13 arrived this morning! How convenient! Will probably segue into some Bruce after that.

Cannot wait for the Workingman's/Beauty 50ths. Hope they do a compete show release with them, and/or release the rest of 2/13-14.

Tidbit: 1970 and 1971 fare the worst in terms of top 10 (via DeadBase) shows being fully released. Neither year has fully released top 10 show.

Though 5/2/70 and 5/15/70 are only missing one song. 2/13&14 are missing big chunks/all of the early shows. Nada from the other 6 top 10s that year.

The closest '71 comes is 8/6 from Dicks 35, but it is missing 8 songs. 4/27-28-29 are partials (Skull & Roses, Ladies & Gentleman) with big chunks missing and 10/31 (Dicks 2) is just the 2nd set.

1974 is unique in that with Da34, all 10 of the top 10 shows have now at least been partially released. Only 3 are complete: 5/19 (PNW), 2/24 (Da13), and 6/23 (Da34). 10/18-19-20 are partials (Steal Your Face, GD movie + bonus + Soundtrack, So Many Roads) missing 10+ songs each. 6/26-28 are split on Dick's 12, most/all of the 2nd sets; half on 6/18 is RT2#3, and 8/6 has 5 songs of filler on D31.

Anywho, I'd love for them to go back and complete/finish some of the iconic shows that are incomplete. Be it as part of a larger box (Fillmore '70, Closing of Fillmore East '71, Winterland '74), as part of anniversary releases, or utilizing filler space better on yearly Dave's releases.

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This is CRAZY Nothing was updated from May1st until noon today Mat 5th. May 1st it was supposed to arrive at post office but when I called they had no record. Then today. 4 and a half days later it arrived and when I called they said it would be delivered tomorrow. The post office said UPS may have said it arrived at the loading dock but until the post office scans it is is officially NOT ARRIVED. My post office did say there has been a lot of confusion with a lot of tracking numbers ???

As lone as I get it but this is CRAZY.......................I would say be Patient it will show up

Also does anyone out there have the first issue of High Times Magazine? I have two that have the same insides but the cover is different ( same lady eating a mushroom ) but one is Paper and one is like a foil?? and the type margin is different for the list of what is inside.

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No status until last night. It was in my mailbox this morning (in Phoenix, AZ). I am ripping it right now - can't wait to listen to it after work tonight!

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Ripping now. I understand it has beat that's great to spackle by.

….. I can lay spackle much longer, my arms are getting tired.
Those corners kept me up past 4....

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....so what's up with so many people having this shipment fall into a black hole once it supposedly gets to the post office? Same thing as others have described is happening on this end as well; it's been sitting since May 1st at a somewhat local post office with a status of "package acceptance pending". WTF does THAT mean? It's been there since FRIDAY. I get there is a pandemic - and other shipping priorities - but this is just looking like incompetence or perhaps some other tracking snafu that is more pervasive than I might have suspected.

Hopefully this gets "unstuck" in the system....I will try calling tomorrow if my email sent today goes unanswered....I don't have high hopes.

Glad others are receiving and it's sounding as it should....aka excellent.

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Just sounds so damn good on Dave's 34...the band is rocking-and-rollin, hitting on all cylinders, sounding like they're having a blast! I kind of wish the band would have added this tune to their set lists a lot more often, maybe splitting time with "Big River".....so much potential there.

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I cannot believe the clarity of this show. This is definitely going in my top 10 Dave's Picks rotation. I've been listening to it through my studio monitors and it's mind blowing! The band is so tight, Bobby's vocals are pitch perfect, Jerry's playing is impeccable, the entire band is hitting every note with perfect timing...including Donna! What a great set...I just wonder why this didn't come out sooner. Thanks Dave!

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Usually you get a UPS tracing number with your shipping email that didn't happen this time we got the USPS tracking which usually isn't updated till UPS hands it over to USPS.

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Wow! Thanks DL and team. This release is already in my top 5 DP shows, and maybe climbing! Jerry's work on Lay Me Down, and some of his runs throughout the show are amazing. Definitely looking for more versions of Let It Rock.... so tasty. And Cumberland Blues, which is THE song that sucked me into this Dead Life; I haven't heard one that tops this version.

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....agreed on both counts. Top 5 Dave's for sure, maybe top 3. Cumberland from E72 is what got me on the bus as well, and this version is also Top 5 I've heard, maybe Top 3.
https://archive.org/details/gd1974-06-23.mtx.seamons.105983.flac16/gd74…
....for those who haven't got it yet, and don't mind cheating, take a gander!
Bonus disc tonight.

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I can't stay here much longer, Melinda
The sun is getting high

Dark Star jam working on 2-3rd listening....blah blah i know bigger things right now but missing some Stanley Cup Playoffs...last five pretty much Dead with this and tons of May shows 5/5/77 New Haven kicked off light box

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My Dap has stalled at Shrewsbury USPS since may 1st.. I'm not really worried yet. Mabey a little. I have been spinning giants box today.

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This one is definitely a winner! Ok, it's time to release the October 74 Winterland shows as a complete box set, probably have videos to go along with it!

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The Grateful Goddamned Dead.

Too funny.. one of the releases I was most excited for and the mail is all over the place. I can't get a good read on where mine is, where it's going and when it will get here. It puts things in perspective though.. our good friends across the pond and around the globe go through this every time.

I think we can chill out a little and just take this one. We've been waiting 46 years for this, what's another week.

If I had to guess, I expect mail innovations is at least a partial contributor to the schizophrenic deliver this time. Well, mail innovations combined with a peak period in covid19 destruction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H1lcubN0oE

Be safe all.. taking some creative liberties with a Jimmy Martin tune.. be thankful you're living, drink up and stay home.

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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who weighed in on the mailing snafu... I thought I was 1 in a million but having read that many others are going through the same weirdness, I feel a bit better. Not that I'm happy that others are stalled out as well, but... I guess it feels better to know that I'm not the only one? Like, maybe this is an issue that will work itself out, given the odd circumstances we're all living under these days.

Perspective helps, as they say.

Also, thanks to the kind folks who sent me PMs.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled... err... June box, I guess? And keep washing your hands, everybody...

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I like hearing the perspectives of the folks who don't post much. I see people with accounts opened years ago I've never heard of, and with good food for thought. Keep postin'

It is a fact that I can't remember these numbered volumes and dates on most of these releases. Sure I know 5/2/70 is DP 8 / Harpur College; 5/8/77 is The Monster at Barton Hall from GSTL; 8/13/75 is One From the Vault. Those big shows are easy enough; but more times than not I need a title, and the title hast to come from something significant about the show or album cover artwork: Skeleton Skaters; Scooby Doo House; Opium at the Orpheum; Return to Normal with the Grateful Dead, and so on and so on.

After reading Doc's name in lights in the DaP 34 booklet, I have the just exactly perfect title: "Forensic Photos"

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Great tune, I saw Garcia and Grisman play it at the Warfield Theatre. Great version on the Good Ole Boys cd.

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I love the Jam into Ship Of Fools to kick off the second set. I also love the US Blues Jam out of Spanish Jam.
Dicks Picks 12 — 6/28/74 Boston has a spectacular US Blues Jam out of a Weather Report Suite and a Mind Left Body Jam.
Clearly the band was playing at a very high level IMO

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...for whom USPS shows a status of "USPS Currently Awaiting Package"?

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A number of us have gotten the "awaiting" message and then it just shows up at the door. I got one and mine still said awaiting even after delivery the other day. I'd like to say it's the pandemic but it's not, there a monkey driving this locomotive and some times he jumps the track...

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