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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • daverock
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    The classics

    Would it be fair to say that a classic show is one where they play a typical set list for the year, but to an exceptional standard?
    Some shows seem to have attained "classic" status over the years. Shows that have been written about by acclaimed Deadheads, and which somehow seem more than the sum of their parts. All the obvious ones- 2/14/68, the Fillmore West shows from Spring 1969, Fillmore East February 1970, Binghampton 5/2/70 etc etc. On up to Winterland New Years Eve 1978, which plays like a grande finale to the 70's - 12 months early. Obviously a subjective view !

    Egypt 1978 seem to me to be classic shows on account of their circumstances more than the bands actual playing. I do think the Veneta Fairgrounds show from August 1972 is exceptional...but I sometimes wonder if that has been accorded legendary status, to some extent, on account on its circumstances. There are pages and pages about it in the Deadheads Taping Compendium. Is it really so much better than lesser known shows from Fall 1972?

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    Never enough 1970. I'm in. Been a while since I have listened to this one also. I'm expanding this to include 1/24 we we get an always welcome Mason's Children and Dancing in the Streets

    Edit: We might have done this recently.. which is fine with me

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    Classics never make a comeback........

    Fellow rockers!!

    I forgot to put this out there...............

    What is a classic show? Can it be defined? Is it based on facts, or feeling? I know what "my classics" are, what are yours? If there are too many, does the idea get diluted?

    I'm interested in people's thoughts, in a conceptual sort of way............

    Doc
    Periodically, I return to the classics for inspiration and refreshment.......

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    Hey, rockers!!!

    Pick of the day: Honolulu, Hawaii, January 23, 1970

    Officially released as a Dave’s Pick in August 2016, here we have an interesting look at the band just prior to the classic Fillmore West/East shows of February 1970, when they were still in the process of transitioning from the large jam format to a more song oriented approach.

    Which isn’t to say there aren’t big jams here, because there are. An Other One AND a Dark Star. Plus some new Workingman’s Dead material, cowboy songs, and greasy Pigpen material. Can’t go wrong with all that………..

    It seems that sometimes official releases get shelved, neglected, oft time forgotten. This one is worth revisiting, as is the “bonus material” from the following night (which includes another Black Peter, more Pigpen, and the rare Mason’s Children).

    Farewell, TC……

    As far as official releases go, we can’t always get what we want, but we get what we need……

    Enjoy!!!

    Doc
    Every man regards his own life as the New Year's Eve of time…..

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    Hey, rockers!!!

    It seems I just can’t stay away. Perhaps I have too much free time on my hands. Maybe I’m just addicted to deadnet…………

    What unfolds now is a series of intermittent, occasional, never predictable but always reverent excursions into the underrated, underappreciated shows of the 1968-1972 era. Follow along as we explore the curvilinear sonic history of the early Grateful Dead. Officially released, as well as not so. No Classics, and no 71s. Gems and duds. The bitter with the sweet……

    Dust off the shelves---and the hard drives---as we revisit so many gems lost in the glare of official releases and Miller remasters…………

    This won’t be an every day thing, maybe three or four times a month, lol until I find something better to do!

    Let’s play!!

    Doc
    Making a comeback is one of the most difficult things to do with dignity……

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    Good way to pop the cherry OB, and you get a Dark Star to boot. Must have been a good experience and the end of another era of the Dead. Aud recording is decent, maybe someday a SB will pop up

    Enjoying 12/30/86 in Oakland Otis. Nice sounding Miller transfer from 2017. Nice Althea, Cumberland, Esau, TMNS to end the first set. China Rider to start the second set. Good call on this one Otis. The return of Jerry and the boys. It only gets better from here.

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    No electronic devices were involved, hey I was just barely 16 and hadn’t even been smoking weed very long lol.
    I didn’t go electric until my tenth show, which I think was a good way to go/grow?
    Hell, I was naturally high! just being there, but plenty more weed than my teeny bopper head had ever seen before lol.
    After going to concerts for a year, and seeing a cross section of radio favorites etc, the Dead blew my perceptions of everything R&R out the window! I’d been getting more and more prepped and ready to see them for over a year and FINALLY got the chance. One of the greatest days of my life!

    Now, it’s kinda a weird show, I mean you can feel the weird energy, which is understandable all things considered. The energy sort of ebbs and flows but often peaks nicely. Kieth is all over the place: sometimes engaged and his usual self, other times you’d swear he wasn’t even there…obviously end of the line, though I didn’t know any all of that back then.
    But overall it has some great peaks, and I love the Other one through drums and that cool little jam with a Serengeti feel, then quick tag of TOO before sliding into DS. Not the greatest show ever,but historically and enjoyably a nice way to get yer cherry popped! Good aud tape too! I d been listening to my shitty digitized cassette version for years and finally heard a much better recording this time around!

    I agree on the Miracle> Bertha> Good Lovin’ theme. It was cool and had nice flow when they first started doing it, but by this point it was starting to feel stale. (not that I knew that then) I was talking to my buddy BOO469 who was in the balcony and he reminded me that the balcony was shaking so hard during Bertha, that the venue was worried and had to have it checked out before allowing another Rock show lol.

    Thanks to y’all for the Xmass suggestions. We’ll check it out.
    BC, I don’t, or didn’t know much about Bill Evans except the Kinda Blue connection. When I had the Ref 3 in to its maker last year, he loaded a couple of Hi Res albums on there and sorta like with the dead: I’d listened, but not really heard, then, lightning struck and we’ve been “diggin’ Bill Evans” big time ever since. Santa brought the Everyone Digs BE, AND the Everybody Still Digs box set, plus the complete Village Vanguard recordings.
    Obviously, I’ve not scratched the surface of that plus a whole stack of other stuff too! Ho, Ho, Ho indeed!
    But like most things, the down side has been less dead, but a full cleanse was needed after the big year last trip round the sun: all the 71s except about a dozen early in the year, a few dozen 81s, a bunch of hot 91s, along with most of the cool picks here, and of course some free range freaking too!
    Looking forward to concentrating on 82, 92, obviously some 72, with a little 67, 77, and 87. But I’m not there yet, have to finish phase one of my music project first, but that’s starting to get really teadious, so I’m going to have to start getting in some shows next week, need more balance, and time lol, now if only I didn’t need to sleep lol.
    ONWARD

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    One hell of a second set. Holy cow.

    Plus.. it's got a Pretty Peggy-O and a Jack Straw first set opener before we even get to the good stuff.

    Predisclosure.. I tire of I need Bertha's Good Lovin'. Sorry.. personal reasons and often a waste of a good Bertha, but this one if spirited and moves along just fine so forgive me.

    But they sure did find their groove upon their return to stage. Sweet second set from start to finish. Really nice show, what a baptism.

    I gotta ask.. were psychedelics involved?

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    That Tacoma Christmas with John Fahey Vol.ll (TAK-7045) has been our favorite non-traditional X-mas album since the mid 80's. Didn't break that out this year though. Found too many traditional various artist hardware/tire store gems the last couple of years at Triple Play Records (G.J.,CO) and the salvation army for a pittance. Love the second side where he gets a little weird with the bent chords on his Christmas Fantasy pts.1 & 2. Never found him until then and only through his assoc. with Leo Kottke. Two amazing guitarists!
    Cheers

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    Alright!

    Good to hear from you all.

    Looks like we have some picks. So 1/20/79 from OB and 12/30/86 from Otis.
    I will work them in in the next couple of days.

    Okay sounds like a plan.

    By the way I believe the 1/18/70 show from Doc was a fooler and a test. As mentioned this show was released as Download Series #2.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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In process and it has been a while. Sound quality from my perspective is somewhat lacking. Love the Dupree's, It's all over now, good Passenger, Brown Eyed Women. Just finished Eyes, really good. Again, wish the sound quality was better.

Thanks Bolo and Mary!

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Disc one is fun (it's a mix of several shows, me remembers...CR&S is always welcome)
Disc two is sublime. Eyes, Playin' > Wheel > Playin'. I do notice some sound quality issues at times, but they are not horrific and permanent. I remember the Playin' is good as always, and then gets reeeeeeally good
Disc three is phenomenal. As I listened recently, I remember smiling at the glory of the show. Scarlet > Fire, Truckin' > The Other One > Wharf > Around

the Madison show took place about 50 miles north of where l lived at the time. but since I was in 8th grade, I had no clue or awareness of that fact.

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One of my favorites Scarlet>Fire's of all time.... Also love the Samson when after a prolong opening jam Weir does the woohoo type of shout out!! I've posted about the Scarlet>Fire before but there is a Jerry Keith chord interaction after the singing in Scarlet that for me is mind melting!!! Good first choice Bolo... One last ramble, for me this show 2/5/78 is in my mind is the last show of 77... The April tour after this has a different vibe..

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....listened to the first disc last night. Cold Rain, All Over Now, Duprees and BE Woman all top shelf renditions. Man. Iowa got all the good shows. Will start up disc two a little later.
Thats the show with the extended Samson due to Bob's mic difficulties, correct?

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A few momentous stand outs for me: The Music Never Stopped; this version easily made it onto a "best of" compilation early on and has never been supplanted. Fight me. Also, the Estimated > Eyes of so so good. Beautiful elongated Eyes intro, then just mad jamming all the way through, nice upbeat Eyes tempo. Great exploratory Estimated as well. I love the drop into Eyes here; expertly pulled off. The Scarlet > Fire is very awesome too. Long, jammy. Nothing new here, just adding my love.

Nice idea.
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The first thing I noticed is that it features two nights, but unless I am looking in the wrong place, there is no indication which nights which songs are from. I could have checked in Deadbase...but that's upstairs and as I was settled down to listen I didn't bother. It looks like one first and two second sets.

I have just played the first cd so far. Coming from Europe 72, this sounds a lot simpler rhythmically. During Spring 72, you can focus on Bill, Phil, Bob, or Keith - as well as Jerry obviously-and they are all playing with energy and imagination. Here, the focus is more just on Jerry. I like his fiery guitar sound on here, but I am not as keen on Bob's sound. Donna, on the other hand, sounds nice on Looks Like Rain. I prefer this version of Good Lovin to the ones played in 72. It sounds almost calypso-a real celebratory sound.
The cd picks up pace nicely on the last three songs, with great guitar solos from Jerry. It seems a bit more like standard "rock" in a way, compared to the swing they had with one drummer and a fully functioning Keith. I enjoyed listening to it, but I will probably leave the first of the set 2s for tomorrow.

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Not much left to say LLR crackled like a thundercloud!

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....Jerry fresh off his laryngitis. The crackling in his voice during Wharf Rat proves it. His voice was never the same, but still rocks my soul.
Trey Pistachio dropped another song. "Are You There Colleen?". With a message of getting off drugs. Methinks Colleen was his dealer back in the day. Might be wrong. Never right.
I had a dealer back in the day. Name was Chill. Called him from payphones. That was a long time ago though. Thank God.

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At the start of 1978 I'd sort of lost interest in the Dead, having last seen them in 74. 78 was my fifth year in college (yeah I know) and I was way more into jazz than rock in large part due to an awesome jazz club on campus, the Backdoor. The place just had a constant stream of major talent coming through. McCoy Tyner, Charlie Mingus, Elvin Jones, Roland Kirk etc. So in early January I see the Dead are gonna be at Golden Hall so my girlfriend and I say "What the hell?" and I get tickets for 1/07. Now in 78 the Dead were not that big of a draw and I wasn't expecting much, sort of a nostalgia trip. Wrong. They were great, just awesome. So after the show we immediately get tickets for 1/08. These were the Bobby songs only nights but that didn't matter a bit. My girlfriend (now my wife) cried during Looks Like Rain. We were back on the bus until 85 when the arrival of our first kid changed everything. Footnote to that is our last show was a week before his birth and she was major prego and treated like royalty by all you wonderful heads. So I love DP 18 and I especially like the Eugene show release. Stay home.

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Nice! I'm overdue for a listen.

RE: DP18, agree with Jim - Brown-Eyed Women is PERFECT! For that matter, so is TMNS - powerful! And then there's disc 3. If I had to rescue only one single disc from my burning house, this one would be in the running. That Scarlet/Fire is a half-hour blissfest, Truckin' is solid, TOO is insanely good. Masterful music!

On to Wichita!

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....has metal influences. Garcia tapping into his inner Iommi. My ear told me so.
Wichita this soon into the game? Bold move Cotton. Let's see how it pans out.

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Love the Dodge Ball reference!!

funny how they didn't list out what shows the songs are from. even funnier, the songs in Disc 1 are actually from 3 shows - Its All Over Now and Duprees are from 2/4/78 Milwaukee! The Wikipedia entry for DP 18 lays it out if you're interested. Deadbase IX also lists a soundcheck of Ripple x3 in Milwaukee - what the heck is that??!!

As others have noted, among many highlights a great Music Never Stopped and Eyes of the World from 2/3 - love the super long intro to Eyes, it reminds me of a post-hiatus favorite, 6/8/77. They Love Each Other is fantastic. The 2nd set from 2/5 is just wild. Such a raw sound to the Wolf! Would love to see released the Uptown shows that immediately proceed this. Worth noting how rare The Wheel was at this time - 2/3 was first time played since mid fall '77, another year until played again on 2/17/79 (Keith & Donna's last show), and then another year and a half before it finally re-entered regular rotation.

A couple technical notes - based on Dick's Caveat Emptor, 2/3 appears to have been recorded at a slower tape speed (7.5 ips vs. 15), and so the sound quality is a bit rougher. Also, IIRC, there is an unpatched gap (sad face) in the jam between verses 2 and 3 in Eyes of the World. There's a very nice audience of 2/3 on the Archive if anyone wants to hear that.

Now on to Wichita!!

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After listening to almost 4 hours of insanely wonderful music, the overriding conclusion is that, in my opinion, NO ONE can play guitar like Garcia did. At times subtle and nuanced, at other times raging, but always just exactly perfect within the context of the song they were playing. Remarkable, really. Feeling blessed to have experienced GD/JGB live so many times.

Garcia may not be the "best" guitarist (highly subjective, as most of those inane "best of" polls demonstrate), but he is the only guitarist I can listen to every day. That includes Hendrix, Page, Clapton, Gilmore and whoever else you want to throw in there.

It's grate to be a Deadhead!!

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You're a harsh taskmaster! Listening to Grateful Dead concerts will continue until morale improves.

Bluecrow - thanks for the tip. There were a couple of compilations that came out in the 1990s that featured songs from multiple shows, but didn't indicate in the sleeve notes which song came from which show. Ladies and Gentlemen from April 1971 and Dozin' at the Knick from Spring 1990 were two others.

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Agree 100% with your comments on Jerry, what a genius! The whole band was.

Just finishing up Dave's 11 now. Comments to follow.

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Dooo, just listened to that last week, for first time, so maybe we’ll sneak another round in after this 71 grease fest we’ve got going on today .....fall 72 is def fo shizzle....

EDIt: MHAMMOND12...whoa. I’m not sure what’s more impressive, seeing the laryngitis shows or all that top shelf jazz in a club setting???

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Dicks picks vol 21 , not the main show the extras , Iko iko > morning dew > sugar magnolia . Absolutely sublime , and without doubt one of the best dew’s 😸

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I shouldn't really call the Backdoor a club. It was an empty room on the ground floor of the Student Union and Performing Arts building on campus that the A.S. booking people converted into a small concert venue. Just a stage and corked walls. No seats. No refreshments. Bring your own. The talent that appeared there was unbelievable looking back. Freddie King. John Lee Hooker. Two memories...sitting under McCoy Tyner and watching his right sock working its way down past his ankle has he stomped his foot keeping constant time...Roland Kirk playing the flute with his nose, playing three saxophones at once, playing the piano with his elbows and head, and careening around the room playing saxophone being led by his handler (Rahsaan was blind you know) who had an air raid siren he would blow off in your face if you didn't get out of the way fast enough. And none of this seemed like a gimmick. Bright moments indeed.

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This show and bonus tracks from Oklahoma City is definitely top stuff. Sound quality is A+. A great Bear recording! Man, he did great work.
The whole show flows nicely, although not a long second set. Love the Sugaree, Bird Song is awesome, Jack Straw, Box of Rain! Come on. Casey Jones to close the first set and than open with Cumberland. Great Truckin Other One, very unique Other One. Always loved Brokedown Palace and this one they play flawlessly.

I will throw out 12/28/79 Road Trips 3.1??

Let me know Gents.

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I like the post-space UJB and Bertha on that one a lot mainly for Brent's harmonies. Overall a classic pick with a lot to like. I might give DP5 (12/26/79) the edge however. That pick is hefty.

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Listened to both Dave Picks 11, 11/17/72, and Europe 72, 04/07/72, as assigned by Bolo. Dave's Picks 11 is one of my favorite releases. Great recording by Owsley improved by the treatment of Mr. Norman. Has an incredible Bird Song. Just a wonderful release.

Europe 72, 04/07/72 Wembley just blows it away. Leaves a smoking crater where Wichita used to be. Europe 72 can not be bettered.

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This one has a nice slow relaxed build up with some ripping Jerry. TOO than blows the roof off! The only TOO>Brokedown Palace. End of set 2 all great. A perfect prelude to the next to nights.

ps. 4/7 Rips the paint off the walls from the first note. No contest.

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Okay Bolo, what are your thoughts?
Next show for today?

I suggested 12/28/79. RT3.1

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I’m down, right after my John Prine compilation

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I relocated last week and since that time I have been unpacking as much as I can and maintaining my workload from home. So I have been out of commission here for a while. I came across this pick of the day and I am all for it.

Just to throw a show out there ( not for today) but how about 9/8/73? I have never heard it but Dick Latvala spoke highly of it. It might be nice to give it a listen.

Meanwhile it looks RT 3.1 will it be for today. Maybe I will add 4/8/72 as well.

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Nice - been a while since that one hit my headphones.

MHammond gets a gold star. But what did you listen to AFTER lunch?

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I was at this show, it was a blast! Sugaree, High Time, The Music Never Stopped, this show was great from start to finish. This show sounds so much better then Dave's Picks 31 from just a .sound point of view. Yeah, this show was a hell of a lot of fun!

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Sugaree lovely, the rest of the set is okay Music rocks! Set 2 Alabama grooving, GSET explosive!, Terrapin super sweet jam, PITB end jam is sick!, UJB outta drums/space yes!, short Miracle, Bertha>Good Love, CJ , OMSN rockin!

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....on it. (I'm the tour buddy still in the car doing bong rips as y'all are heading to the gate.)

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1983/09/10
Santa Fe Downs. Give me this. But for Friday. I'm working tomorrow, but off Friday.
I've stood at Santa Fe Downs and looked east. The view is spectacular.
Whats all the hubbub, bub?
It's got a Music opener and a Cold Rain encore. Warts and all.
Things are strange outside. Bird Songs all day.
edit. Found something!!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/grateful-dead-jerry-garcia-favourite-song/
Spoiler alert. Row Jimmy. Also a favorite of Bill The Drummer. It was playing as I read it (12.28.79. Disc one. Track four).
I still don't believe in coincidences.

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DaP11: Last half of disc two - the whole He’s Gone thru BDP is incredible

Just starting RT3.1 now , if the first song is any indication of this night, I’m in for something special!

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Hendrix Freak threw this one out a couple days ago but yall were onto something else.....it got me thinking about some primal dead, and haven’t had a good 68 fix for a bit....So Wadaya say Laddys?

MHammond: RT 3.1, nice pick. Started to go through the 79 stuff when DaP 31 came out but didn’t make it, rember liking this one more than 31, and yesterday confirmed that. Really need to get to DP 5 from 12/26, it’s been so long for that one. Maybe this weekend I’ll roll that?

VGUY: I’m down with some Santa Fe tomorrow. Heard about this one for years but don’t think I’ve ever checked it out. Plus 83 would be a nice change up here....

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12/28/79! Is this the best RT release? Maybe, certainly the best 79 release from the Vault so far. Betty did another excellent job here.
I like this release more and more every time I listen to it. Sound quality is A+.Sugaree opener! Different feel to this show without Keith and Donna, but I dig it. Brent's keyboards really shine. Really good flowing Terrapin, Playing, UJB. The show closers are fun and groovy. Makes me want to get up and dance.
And then there is the bonus disc, from 12/30/79. 10 additional songs of bliss. Scarlet Fire, Let it Grow, Truckin! Sweet.

Would love to see more 79 and of course 80. The early Brent years! I know the Chicago release didn't match this release but 79 has a lot to offer.
Yesterday I also listened to 9/1/79. Not an official release, but again great 79 sound.
If you have not heard it, check it out.

Looking forward to our next pick. Let us know!

I can't take credit for that pick. I'm trying the Europe 72 night by night thing and I'm already behind.

Playing now.
Is that today’s pick?

First got this on cassette in mid-90’s and loved it right away. Then got a CD-R copy. Was really happy to get it as a commercially released CD.

This show needs a Plangentized/Normanized remaster 180g vinyl record store day release.

Edit:
Looks like I’m a day behind. No worries, I’ll catch up.

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Good to have you kid.

Bolo, what are your thoughts on the last pick. Sounds like the crowd is feeling Dick's 22 for today/ tonight. I will have to sit this one out as I don't have this one. Looking forward to tomorrow's choice.
Be well folks!
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