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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    ....i had a 4 team $20 parlay bet going into the Saints/Bucs game. Brady cost me $240. Even when he's out of my division, he still haunts me.

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    DV: 89 vs 90

    I think it’s that searchin’ for the sound, trying to reach the summit, the whole forward progress, coming together, versus spring 90 is like they reached the top of that path, like sitting on top the summit and smoking a fatty, 420 @ 14K as we say out here! 89 was the climb, but spring 90 was the summit, if that makes sense?
    Spring 90 is almost like too pristine, too clean? Don’t get me wrong, imho it ranks with most of the biggins, but there’s something about 89?

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    Yaaassss, yassss, yaasss,

    I do like me sum 89...AND Cal Expo! Only made the June 90 run, and did Merch there on 96 Furthur tour, but it left a smoking crater on my mind. Some might call it a dump, but the layout was awesome for sound and good sight lines. Laid back vibe and a great lawn too, especially with GA so folks could go where they want. And yes, the beer was a amazing surprise; Anchor on tap and not east coast stadium mob priced. I had truly, finally, made it too the promised land! If only I had made it to the Frost and Greek : ( Shorline was nice, but I really dug the X! Maybe it was the x lol.
    Irvine would of been a nice place to see um, but unfortunately I only did Furthur fest there...
    So haven’t hit this yet but sounds like that’s what’s up next!

    Rock Thing, welcome aboard, so glad ya made it...as your senator from the great deadnet state of altered consciousness, I can assure you there are very few rules to guide. Generally no politics or any of that kinda heavy shit, and be polite, don’t be a douche! Remember, we all have our opinions, which is nice, but we’re all confused, which is nice, and we’re all wrong on some plain or another, which is nice!
    That’s about it, so Rock On Rock Thing!
    Oh, I’m with you about sources. I’ll take a really good Aud over many SBs, and I really like a good matrix, but I mean really good, like some of the video mixes I believe have actual, ambient mics used with appropriate time alignment etc.
    I get why the majority like SBs, and the historic technical reasons why they became en Vogue. But the tech changed so much and with the eventual gray area removed by the tapers section etc, there are some really amazing sounding Auds.
    I’ll concede that it has to be done just right, but if so I really dig a great matrix; you get the (usually) clean direct feed of the instruments etc, plus the more natural room ambience. Of course like a SB, the mix is crucial, and unfortunately in the case of the “cassette years,” is often mixed so prominently for the house. But when 2 great sources are blended just so it is really amazing how good they can sound.
    The ultimate imho is when the “Dead” did it purposefully like on many of the official releases, like some of the video mixes...EDIT: I believe that 3/15/90 show is a good example that has some really nice “liveness” ambience...
    I like Dave’s Pick 8 and 36, but 8 seems a tad too dry and 36 at times is perhaps to much, but hey, that’s just me.

    Ok, onward....8/5/89 woo, woo!
    GO BILLS!
    KCJ, where you be? I’d trash talk with ya but I don’t think we’re gonna do it, but hey, as Boomer would say
    “That’s why they play the game”

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    Yes, so many great shows in 89 and Cal Expo is no slouch. Lately, I have been thinking 89 might edge out 1990? It is close anyway. Really high level stuff with Jerry fully engaged. Things changed after Brent died, but there was still some great music. Fall 1990 still doesn't grab me. Not like 1991, where they seem to get the Mojo going again.

    Stay well out there people.

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    This one's for our 89 loving Oroborous. (knowing that most in this group seem to be 80's fans)

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    ....was present and camped at all three. Awesome venue. The only time I caught them there. Very beer friendly.

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    Right on, Bring it..

    I think you are doing this exactly right. Great show, VGuy, good choice. And an excellent show to have attended. Did you catch the entire run?

    It's keeping us honest.

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    Rockthing-your post reminded me of the cd compilation called "Infrared Roses" that came out in the 90s. An album exclusively made up of drum and space segments, each track given the added status of being named individually. I was lucky enough to experience one of them-the so called "Silver Apples of the Moon" which I think came from London 11/1/90. One of the highlights of the show.

    When drums and space come out of Dark Star- I tend to think of them as being extensions of Star, rather than as separate entities.

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    Am I doin' this right? Sorry if I'm kinda goin' overboard. That's my thing.

    Continuing to listen to the Schoeps MK2 source.

    Hey Pocky Way: This song did not get performed enough. Just some light fun with a little cheesy keyboard sound.

    Playin': Nice and spacey jam. Sparse. Chill. Percussion taking the back seat in the mix. Jerry really challenging the others to find the trail he's blazing. Catch me if you can! Whoa, what's he hintin' at? No way! So THIS is the standalone I Know You Rider. More like a Playin' Rider. THAT really came outa nowhere. People musta been goin' nuts. Can't really hear too much reaction from the crowd, even though this is an audience pull. Up up tempo. Really flying. Headlight ¡GONG! on a northbound train. Nice. :)

    Terrapin: Are you serious? Third song into the second set is Terrapin?! Pretty solid.

    Drums/Space: At some point I really began to dislike the generic titles for drums and space. It's canon. I know. Can't fight city hall. Never gonna change four decades of precedent, but when I track my old tapes for my own personal use, I include drums and space in the song either before or after them. I like to think of them as a drum solo and free form jam into or out of a composition. I realize they rarely have much of anything to do with the tunes around them, but some of the early stuff would go out so far you had no idea what song they were playing, I kinda like to stay in that frame of mind. So, to me, this is the drum solo for Terrapin. ^^; Is there a cut, or was that just the world's shortest "drums"? Some wacky MIDI stuff to start off space. Everyone playing everyone else's instruments, virtually.

    Gotta run. Catch up with the rest of the second half later.

    EDIT:

    Sorry, Terrapin wasn't the third song. Maybe Pocky Way felt like such a throw away that subconsciously I didn't even count it. At any rate, seemed to arrive at Terrapin awfully quickly. Time flies when you're having fun? :)

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    Hey now. Is it ok if a newcomer jumps in on this? Never need an excuse to cue up a show I've never heard. Wish I had time to do it more often. Easily lead into rabbit holes, so hafta stick with my old favorites when things are busy. Nice to have someone to share the impressions with. I apologize in advance. I am notorious among all my correspondents for writing the sequel to Ulysses in every email.

    I don't have any hard and fast policies, but generally I prefer to find a good audience pull over soundboards. There are plenty of boards I love, though, so as I say it's not a rule. Being a minor taping enthusiast informs that tendency, but often I actually like having the crowd in the mix. Sometimes the audience can be as entertaining as the band, like the dudes calling out for Casey Jones during Seastones. Hilarious. Idle chatter drives me up a wall, though.

    Introductions out of the way, please allow me to share my experience listening to this Cal Expo gig.

    First impressions:
    Wow. Bobby's vocals are really loud. This is something I often find distracting about boards. The vocal balance is way too high in the mix compared with the instruments. It's inevitable, I guess. Usually the instruments don't need to be amplified as much as the vocals. I gather that we're supposed to be listening to the same releases, but I decided to see what the other sources sounded like.

    I switched from the Miller SBD to Mattes Schoeps CMC 44 pull. I've heard some Mattes tapes I like. The Schoeps are top of the line mics and can't be faulted technically, but I often find Schoeps pulls to favor the lower frequencies in a way that seems to muffle the overall experience. In this case my first thought was, where's the band? Had to really crank it to even notice OMSN had started.

    Next it was a switch to the Casey Coniff Sennheiser 441 pull. Starts off promising. Instruments loud and clear, but then I WENT UP TO THE MOUNTAIN, wow, the vocals were blasting into the audience, too. Yes, you can hear Dan Healy, I presume, immediately pull the volume back, but Bobby's vocals are really dominating the mix.

    The Schoeps MK2 pull seems to offer a frequency balance I like best of these sources. The vocals are still really high, but they would be since everyone's taping the same show. Let it be said, however, that the focus and clarity of both this and the Coniff audience pulls are right up there with soundboards. No need to search for the show in the recording.

    Cold Rain and Snow: Poor old Jer. Love that old silvery elf voice of his and I know it won't be there in '89, but he sounds kinda tired to me at the beginning. Kick drums kinda have that slappy festival sound quality. Phil's bass sounds great. Low end is powerful, but well-defined, and his upper register runs are right there too, but not harsh. Big smile for that little hiccup/accent around 4 and a half minutes in. Love this tune. This probably won't rocket to the top of my list of favorites.

    We Can Run: As much as I love Brent's keyboard work with the Dead, I rarely get into his songwriting.

    Stagger Lee: Nothing in particular to say about this.

    Stuck Inside of Mobile: Nothing to write home about. Everyone seems to be getting a little more warmed up. The buildups for the choruses each seem to grow in intensity.

    Row Jimmy: Whoa! WTH was that atonal weirdness. That was brilliant, whatever it was. lol. Sounds like someone accidentally dropped something on The Beam. Unfortunately no one had the presence of mind or inclination to try to incorporate it into the song, or improvise off of it. It just happens and sounds like a mistake. Jimmy plods along as usual. Gonna get there? I don't know.

    Let It Grow: Oh, some of those crazy Healy vocal/etc. effects. I usually liked it when he added stuff like that, but I guess others didn't. As is often the case with this tune in the second half of the 80s and onward, we get our first taste of the band firing on all cylinders for one quick hot lap before the set break. This one doesn't get too far out during the first jam, though, before Bobby brings it back and seems to miss his own cue. lol. Nice fills from Jer and Brent in the outro. Could've stood a bit more of that, tbh.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 19:47

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....12.27.79 was the show where Jerry forgot an entire verse of China Doll. It happens. Not dissing Garcia. Just proud of my recollection. Grate show. Grate Terrapin to end.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 21:16

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The return of China Rider!. Terrapin!
Would love to see some of these older releases remastered, although this is very unlikely to happen.

Where have you gone Bolo?

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 03:47

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Speaking of which, how about an old-fashioned Saturday doubleheader assignment in the hopes that we may actually see some baseball being played one of these days? I'm getting a little tired of watching games from 10 years ago, especially since I bet on the outcome and still lose!

So, Weir's "Ace" album (Saturday is the 48th anniversary
of the release date) and Garcia's first solo effort? A good set of headphones highly recommended for this listen. PITB on Ace is an absolute tour de force - the quiet section coming out of the jam is pure sonic butter. And the pedal steel work by Jerry on his album is some of the finest ever recorded, IMO.

Hope y'all are in good health. Stay safe as we ease back into "real" life, or some semblance of it.

48th Anniversary Weir & Garcia Double Header Saturday sounds fun.

Sounds like good music to come down on after friday's 5/15/70 50th Anniversary Trip!

Not seeing a pick for today, so I'm gonna pop in 5/13/72 this AM to get the anniversary theme trip started.

What about you all?

Mine arrived yesterday, so that was my pick of the day followed by another run through High-Life Frodo.

So, 5-11-77 and/or 12-29-77 for today.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 07:19

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The Garcia/Weir doubleheader is a great idea. I've never spent much time with either album, even though I know I should love both. Also, I just got a pair of quarantine-headphones and this will be a good opportunity to give them a run. And a 5/15/70 friday -very sweet.

....I can't recall the last time I cranked Ace. Forgot BT Wind had horns. LOL. It's a good record to turn to 11. Garcia's 1st and 5.13.77 to follow. Then 5.13.72 if time allows. In that order.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:17

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Yo bro, you're supposed to save Ace & Garcia double header for Saturday...

Start cranking 5/13/77... and then 5/13/72 today;)

BTW I listed to 2/11/89 I had those Drums marked with 4 stars from back in the day.. I bet that helped you along in your situation!!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:21

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....you're correct GOGD. Changing course. Inputing coordinates.
edit....let's throw Mickey's Rolling Thunder in the Saturday mix as well!!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:28

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Roger, just want to keep you on course my friend, gotta keep the travelers traveling in the right direction.

Edit: Doh, The Thunder Machine is broken over here, I need the Thunder, Hmm...

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Submitted by Elbow49 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 09:37

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I don’t always keep current here but have we ever had a consensus as to who Bolo24 is?

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:07

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What, is the question!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:24

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75-minute work phone call.

Now it’s 61 with blue sky and sun, and my dog wants to go outside and pee on all the neighbor’s mail boxes.

So, I’m going to wait for 5-13-77 until later today when happy hours start.
Sorry for the false start.

Anyway, people have been mentioning about recording the GD Hour as a source of cassette recordings. I only had one tape of GD Hour (I wanted full shows, even if the sound quality wasn’t as good) and it was a partial of 5-13-77, which included the Jerry solo/noodling and Other One. I was never able to find a tape of the whole show in good sound quality, so I was pretty happy when the Box came out.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 14:10

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Happy hours have started.

I going with a giant Mojito, which is a Mojito made in a 1-liter Paulaner Octoberfest mug, and sitting in the sun on the deck. It’s 65 and sunny now, was snowing last Saturday.

Woo Hoo!

You don't have to twist my arm to listen to this show. Of the two Chicago shows, this one kicks ass.

Bob T, regarding the banter before TMNS, are we missing some of the banter in the official release? Pretty soon we will a full band here. Dr. Shot, DR. Beechwood. So great.

Man, these guys had fun, that much is for sure.

Yes, just loved the way they played Jack A Roe in May of 1977.

Love the FOTD, finish the set with the Scarlet Fire! Come on.

Second set later.

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 14:44

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Bolo? Bolo is the person that makes little kids smile and giggle. Bolo is the person who strikes fear into the hearts of evil doers. Some say Bolo comes like the light of the morning. And like a wind, they have a name; Bolo. Around the fire at night, folks will speak of the time they met Bolo. Some in worried whispers. They're the person who gave Jerry a drink of water after an incredibly hot Fire on the Mountain. This one I know is true because I was there. Where ever you find a person looking for a “miracle” ticket, Bolo is there. Wherever a person is hungry Bolo is there with a soy burger. When you’re setting up camp the night before the big show and realize you forgot the coasters for your beer, Bolo is there. When you’ve hitchhiked for 2 days in the rain, that person that picked you up and handed you the fatty; Bolo. Bolo is an elemental being, hanging for a while in the flux between then and now. Most will be better for the chance encounter and probably will not realize who they just met.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 15:58

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I am not entirely sure who or what Bolo24 is. The only thing I am sure of is.. is that he is the one with the Nuclear Codes.

A bit of related trivia.. they only just recently released the identify of Bolo23.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 17:00

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Vguy ups the ante this weekend with Rolling Thunder? I'm in! I've never really listened to that one but it's some of our favorite San Francisco hippies in Mickey Hart's barn circa 1972 - what could go wrong? Surprised to see it's still available on iTunes.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 18:13

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Dark Star, and you get to hear Weir say "Thanks a whole hellav a lot" after he gets hit with a cup before encore??? Also a smoking Not Fade Away into an awesome Going down the Road... If we are burned out from Jai Alai Fronton I get it.... Bob t

Holy shit Bob T! Yes, for sure.

I have only listened to Dave's 34 once and it is really good. Such a unique show.

The MT May show from 1974 is probably now the second best 74 Dave's Picks released.

74 is so good. Certainly wish some of the early Dick's and RT trips were not complications but most of them are still so good. I get why some don't like going past 74.....
Anyway, for Friday we should try to do something other than an anniversary show......
How about 7/17/76?? Dave's #18, with bonus disc, with 7/16/76.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 10:34

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Now your talking. Have to spend time in the stereo room/office today so perfect, I can listen on the big boy system!
Finally did 5/7/72 a coupe days ago and wow I had forgotten what a beast this show is. Their ripping the whole show and man what a grease fest! The DS is good too, but I still like 5/11/72 better. Finally got to that yesterday. I don’t think the first half of the show is as good as others, but the last half is hard to beat, and I’ve akways had something for that DS....I had the loveliest time listening last evening; the light at that time of day, the sound and treats all dialed in, just a wonderful little respite from the current madness. A few hours of bliss. Dug it so much I stayed a little longer and broke out most of V2 Disc 2. Vault 2 has always been a favorite; awesome TIFTOO, New Potato and that monster Phil Jam....remember the first time I heard that, total mind fuck!
So yeah, I’m in for 5/14/74 today, thought all y’all were doing 5/15/70 tomorrow? and the three solos on Saturday?

I think that the plan was to listen to 5/15/70 tomorrow - Road Trips 3.3. It was mentioned by someone earlier in the week, then seconded by a number of other folks.

That being said, I am all for 7/17 and 7/16 1976 - 7/16 is my birthday, and I happen to love that release! As tomorrow is a Friday, perhaps we can squeeze in both, or save the 76 show for Saturday.

Peace

Edit: Oh yeah, Ace, Garcia, and Rolling Thunder are already lined up for Saturday... folks are jumping on dates early round here! :)

....Is in full swing.
They Played a lot of good shows on this date. This Vegas one was good.
https://archive.org/details/gd1993-05-14.140129.sbd.miller.flac2496
Was at this show. People got struck by lightning in the lot. Good times.
They also played this nifty show at the Greek Theatre in 1983. Good Rango Aud cleaned up by Miller.
https://archive.org/details/gd1983-05-14.fob.sonyecm220t.keshavan.mille…
Merramec Comm College 1970. This includes the NRPS set.
https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-14.sbd.warner-evans.28716.sbeok.f…
Yes. May 14th delivers.
The Montana Scarlet -> Roses is fine stuff indeed. Must Have Been The Roses was the first song i heard after Jerry passed (in was on the cassette in my car at the time driving home from work), so that song has always had a special place in my heart since.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:24

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That is right, my mistake. How can I forget that? That was Strider's pick.

Let's do the 76 show(s), Dave's 18 next week.

Wow, 74 is good!

Be well folks.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:29

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Thanks - made my day!

Although I'm a little creeped out as it appears you've been stalking me for quite some time.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:01

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Not stalking, watching your back.

Vguy
>>>>Was at this show. People got struck by lightning in the lot. Good times.

Maybe needed a little something more before "Good times".
…...so besides that Mrs. Lincoln.....

PS - on the plus side most of us HAVE been struck by lightning on the inside! Lazy or otherwise.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:32

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Sting was on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno back in the 90s when Leno commented about Sting opening for the Dead in the next couple days in Vegas. “It’s amazing how the Grateful Dead control the weather, every time they play there’s a cloud above the audience”.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 13:03

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I was listening as this is a fifty year anniversary. Any acoustic Dead is rarified.
I only saw the Dead once in Nevada, the two days in April 91. Santana was awesome as a double bill. The jam with Carlos during Bird Song the second day stands out as a high point.
I used to have all my shows listed here on Dead.net when they mysteriously disappeared a year ago or so. Lucky I have my own record marked in the 50th year Dead Base that came out somewhat recent.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 14:07

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Started out the day making a 50th Anniversary compilation of 5/14/70 and then devouring it!!

RECIPE:
Just grab some bread and slap in shnid=34165 Acoustic SBD, shnid=136645 Electric SBD & Road Trips Vol 3.3 Bonus Disc and JAM! It's super Tasty and I highly recommend it.

Just about to head into some 5/14/74 WRS... Donna's double Yowl at the end of PITB startled me, I wasn't expecting two!

Looking forward to 5/15/70 tomorrow, only in Grateful Dead land would 5/14/70 be an average show..

What a Year, What a Show, What a Band!

Be Well All

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Submitted by itsburnsy on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 14:17

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I was at the Vegas show when people got struck. I was also at RFK '95 when some heads got struck (hanging out under a tree of all places). Coincidently, I was struck by lightning in 1975, so the whole thing really freaked my parents out! Not a fun experience people, but to this day it doesn't scare me at all.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 17:03

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They have fixed the shows attended feature. You can update those in your profile, provided you are able to remember. (Would be tough for me, if it were more than one show...lol)

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 22:06

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....of the Big Sky Dark Star is when things start to get....dark. Three minutes later, it's a jazzy primordial ooze. 1974 doesn't fuck around.
And that China Doll 🥰

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 05/15/2020 - 05:26

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I love the Montana recording. I lived a few years in Montana starting in 1975. The University of Montana student newspaper the Kaiman ran a full page piece titled “we asked the Grateful Dead what they think about playing in Montana”. It had a photograph of mostly the roadies giving the finger to the camera.