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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #3351
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    Hey Rockthing

    Good to hear from you. You are right, a couple of months did make a difference with the sound and performance from year to year. Shoot, I was always thought from one night to the next, you could hear a big difference sometimes.

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    Re: At the Risk of Double....

    There's no rules here, feel free to ramble on and off topic, on and off the pick of the day. Great posts.. sorry about the record skip.

    I am better suited to hang here than some of the other threads, no era or keyboardist is out of bounds and a very positive vibe. It all flows like a very well tuned show... Just my two cents.

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    At the risk of double-posting...

    Strider 808808>

    Wow. A Joseph Epes Brown reference! Thank you! Black Elk Crying For A Vision from a mid-70s omnibus made a huge impact on me in my late teens, but I've only recently got round to picking up The Sacred Pipe in its entirety. You actually studied with him!? m(_ _)m

    The Ken Babs book sounds interesting. I know what a Water Buffalo is, but not the expression about shooting one.

    So many Dead-related books. I've got a ton wishlisted, but there's only so much time in the day. I've been interested in the Owsley book for a while, but have yet to pull the trigger.

    I wanted to hit that 7/31 show last weekend but just couldn't get it going for one reason or another. Couldn't remember if I already had a copy, or if I only knew it from legend.

    DeadVikes>

    3/24/73. That's always a good idea! :D

    Oroborous>
    Oooh, 2/14 at the Carousel. That's cookin', ...or cleanin' I guess in your case. ;)

    Not sure I'm familiar with 5/14/78. Had 9/2 on repeat play last week, or so. We often talk about years regarding the Dead sound, but a few months can make a big difference with these cats. :) Thanks for the tip... as if I need any encouragement..... up to Brown Eyed Women now, listening to the matrix and downloading the mono AKG source. Lovin' it! Never had any problems with '78, myself, other than the stunning disappointment of the GIza shows :0 IDK, I usually associate 78 with the great groove they've got goin' on here in the 5/14 show. Wow. BEW is hot, and that was just the first guitar solo. Damn. Cheers, folks. Whatever I was supposed to be doing this morning has just gone out the window. lol. :D

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    Hey Now. I guess this thread…

    Hey Now. I guess this thread /is/ called "Pick of the Day", not simply "Now Playing with Discussion", but I'm just gonna bore you with stuff I've been listening to lately.... and then you probably won't see me again for a month, so, hey, decent trade-off, I'd say.

    First off, right now I've got 3/24/93 Chapel HIll rollin'. (I'll explain later) It's weird how in the second set the band totally sees-off Jerry's attempt to start Crazy Fingers out of the Playin' Jam. Phil basically sounds like he's just thrown his hands up, and completely stops playing. In fact, basically every just stops, er... dead. Only Vince seems game to find something to do. When Jer finally gives up, they launch into Box of Rain. After they finish BoR Jerry immediately starts Crazy Fingers again and they actually do it, and do they ever.

    Whadda ya figure's goin' on there? Did Jer "forget" the pre-written set list? was it like a super-tease, or did Jerry just get vetoed on his audible? The Playin' jam was sounding cool and a spaced out transition into Crazy Fingers would've been killer. However, Box of Rain into drums would have been, let's just say, unusual. It seems Billy's got some bidness to take care of, 'cause it pretty much immediately turns into a Mickey Beam solo.... as did the 3/25 drums, but Space takes off into a Spanish Jam that seems to go on and on, thankfully. When they launched into GDTRFB I was thinking, wait, what song were they just playing, did I space out?... well, I guess in a way I got spaced out. ... Now that I think of it, there may have been a "We Want Phil" chant starting in the Phil Zone, but it's not audible in the SBD, and I can't remember if that was actually before Box of Rain, or not.

    The Crazy Fingers is actually really cool, btw. SPOILER ALERT there's this momentary, and initially slightly awkward, little Playin' reprise before someone gets on the intercom (you can hear the ambient noise disappear for a second... yes I'm listening to a board for once) and seems to call it off. All of these questions seem to typify the sort-of cool, detached, risk-averse nature of this period. Haven't found an AUD source from the Dean Dome that has much life to it. Might be some new ones. It's a basketball arena designed to amplify cheering voices, not music, I'd imagine.

    Anyway, just wanted to take a peak at Jer the last time I saw him, in Vegas back in '94, and the same YouTube uploader also had the second night from Chapel Hill, which is notable for its nice Terrapin, and perhaps more so for the stellar Morning Dew. Jerry keeps trading sly grins with someone, and getting an outright laugh out of watching Bobby do his thing. I actually read the comments on YouTube videos 'cause, wow. there are some opinions out there. One dude mentioned this Crazy Fingers from the 24th and how the first night had "always" overshadowed the second. In my mind it had been the other way 'round, which sent me to the Archive this monsoon-drenched morning. Yeah, nobody goes back to listen to 90s Dead, I know. Even the band seems bored sometimes, but there are diamonds in the rough. More often, however, there are outright wth? mysteries like the one above.

    The other one... on heavy rotation has been the 50th Anniversary Skull & Roses 180g vinyl. Missed the propeller variant waiting for the credit card roll-over date. Anyway, wow, the bass is boomin'. I mean, it's not overpowering booming, but there is a LOT of Phil. I A/B'ed it with the single disc CD, and even though there's a lot of Phil on that too, he's allotted a lot more low frequencies on this version... which is odd, because people will tell you that you can't put too much bass on vinyl or it'll cause the needle to skip. No fade in, but Bertha also starts a few seconds earlier than on the CD version. There's some little warming up noise before they hit it. Pretty superfluous, but, hey, 2 more seconds! I have not heard the OG Skull and Roses vinyl, but I actually debated on picking one up from Discogs instead of getting the anniversary edition, which ended up being released three weeks late. The price is comparable. Maybe next month.

    Speaking of records skipping, I've had the 5/4/72 Olympia Theater vinyl for, what, less than two months and Bertha is already skipping. I think I screwed it up with the generic replacement stylus that I installed back in April. Apparently the Sure stylus/cartridge division has gone belly up. I've kept the old needles lying around, and found one that had been swapped out really early for some reason, so I went back to that. Otherwise, I can't figure out what the problem could be. I play my records, but consider myself more careful than most when handling them. Hard to say. I might have damaged the record, or stylus myself, but it looks like I'm in the market for a new cartridge. The vinyl had no problems at first, but I have records I bought 30 years ago that still play fine, while this one is skipping after 5~10 spins.

    The difference between Phil's bass frequencies on the Olympia Theatre record versus Skull and Roses, is beyond description. Phil is fully present in the Olympia Theatre release, but he couldn't deliver a bass bomb if he tried with the frequency range he's assigned here. Wanna compare with the Europe 72 album, but actually don't have a copy of Europe '72 in any format. Just ordered a green label '72 pressing. It was a mint for one in decent condition, but so will any 50th anniversary that might come out next year be. These are supposed to sound amazing. They've already done a bunch of Europe 72 reissues recently, so it might get the Live/Dead treatment.

    Two non-audio notes about the Olympia Theatre box are regarding the photos used for the inner sleeves. At first they seemed really dark, and not particularly interesting. The photo of out-of-her-mind-on-Owsley Donna was of interest for how calmly she appeared to be peering out into the spotlight, but a closer look reveals a rather wild set to her jaw, or perhaps I'm just projecting. The other photo that finally grabbed my attention was the Side 1 photo of the band, completely washed out in red lighting taken from stage left, almost behind them. Bobby is standing out front in the spotlight singing and Jerry and Phil appear to be standing behind(!) Billy with Pig at the organ stage right harmonizing with Bobby. So, Jer and Phill would totally just retreat into the shadows when they didn't have any singing parts in those days? Fascinating. Might depend on the stage. You don't see that in the Veneta footage, but there really weren't any shadows that day, were there.

    Anyway, my answer to a question nobody asked.

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    Good Housekeeping tunes!
    Kept the mother rolling with first disc of 2/14/68 etc. shizzle fo sho!

    Next chance I get we will get down to tge funky sounds of 3/24/73!

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    Great show... It's been a long time since I listened to it.

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    The 30 Trips show, yes, this one smokes. On it!
    Thanks Oroborous.

    I was going to offer up another Spectrum show, Dave's Picks #32, 3/24/73. Maybe tomorrow.

    My #39 still has not shipped, 😩.

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    How’s bouta pick?

    Maybe 5/14/78?
    Got my server back, up and running and need to HEAR, some good sheet mon.

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    Thanks Strider!

    For the reference, I’ll definitely have to check that one out. Love Babs, what a character!
    I’ll bet his memoir will be very interesting after all he’s lived.

    And thanks for the rest of your sage words of wisdom.
    You should write a book!

    Been really digging 71. Was sorta a flyby year for me until nice folks like you and Doc helped show us the light.
    His job was to shed light, not to master...

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    Who Shot the Water Buffalo is a great book by Ken Babbs. The title has a funny twist , double meaning. Any of us old time wild land firefighters knows what it refers to. Once they get to that point in the book.
    Pick of the day. I have been staying on the 50th anniversaries of 1971 Dead shows since January. Otherwise taking a break from Grateful Dead music. Kind of like smoking ganga all the time. The effect may become lack luster. As was said in the old days, “space your trips”. Although yesterday I did watch the black & white video of Robert Hunter sitting in with the Garcia Band 1980 at the New Jersey Capitol Theater. Tiger Rose “where the children play ringolevio”.
    Speaking of books, “Ringolevio” by Emmett Grogan was one of Jerry Garcia’s favorite books.
    On the subject of the mountain west states. Ironic that the people who lost the most , true Natives and in the case of Montana where I lived from 1975-1981 the Blackfeet treated me the best. Very similar here in New Mexico where I’ve lived most of my life. But respect has to be earned and that doesn’t happen overnight.
    As an old professor Joseph E. Brown who taught Native American Studies at the University of Montana used to finish his class by saying, “Be of good heart”.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 19:47

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....12.27.79 was the show where Jerry forgot an entire verse of China Doll. It happens. Not dissing Garcia. Just proud of my recollection. Grate show. Grate Terrapin to end.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 21:16

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The return of China Rider!. Terrapin!
Would love to see some of these older releases remastered, although this is very unlikely to happen.

Where have you gone Bolo?

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 03:47

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Speaking of which, how about an old-fashioned Saturday doubleheader assignment in the hopes that we may actually see some baseball being played one of these days? I'm getting a little tired of watching games from 10 years ago, especially since I bet on the outcome and still lose!

So, Weir's "Ace" album (Saturday is the 48th anniversary
of the release date) and Garcia's first solo effort? A good set of headphones highly recommended for this listen. PITB on Ace is an absolute tour de force - the quiet section coming out of the jam is pure sonic butter. And the pedal steel work by Jerry on his album is some of the finest ever recorded, IMO.

Hope y'all are in good health. Stay safe as we ease back into "real" life, or some semblance of it.

48th Anniversary Weir & Garcia Double Header Saturday sounds fun.

Sounds like good music to come down on after friday's 5/15/70 50th Anniversary Trip!

Not seeing a pick for today, so I'm gonna pop in 5/13/72 this AM to get the anniversary theme trip started.

What about you all?

Mine arrived yesterday, so that was my pick of the day followed by another run through High-Life Frodo.

So, 5-11-77 and/or 12-29-77 for today.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 07:19

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The Garcia/Weir doubleheader is a great idea. I've never spent much time with either album, even though I know I should love both. Also, I just got a pair of quarantine-headphones and this will be a good opportunity to give them a run. And a 5/15/70 friday -very sweet.

....I can't recall the last time I cranked Ace. Forgot BT Wind had horns. LOL. It's a good record to turn to 11. Garcia's 1st and 5.13.77 to follow. Then 5.13.72 if time allows. In that order.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:17

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Yo bro, you're supposed to save Ace & Garcia double header for Saturday...

Start cranking 5/13/77... and then 5/13/72 today;)

BTW I listed to 2/11/89 I had those Drums marked with 4 stars from back in the day.. I bet that helped you along in your situation!!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:21

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....you're correct GOGD. Changing course. Inputing coordinates.
edit....let's throw Mickey's Rolling Thunder in the Saturday mix as well!!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 08:28

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Roger, just want to keep you on course my friend, gotta keep the travelers traveling in the right direction.

Edit: Doh, The Thunder Machine is broken over here, I need the Thunder, Hmm...

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Submitted by Elbow49 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 09:37

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I don’t always keep current here but have we ever had a consensus as to who Bolo24 is?

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:07

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What, is the question!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:24

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75-minute work phone call.

Now it’s 61 with blue sky and sun, and my dog wants to go outside and pee on all the neighbor’s mail boxes.

So, I’m going to wait for 5-13-77 until later today when happy hours start.
Sorry for the false start.

Anyway, people have been mentioning about recording the GD Hour as a source of cassette recordings. I only had one tape of GD Hour (I wanted full shows, even if the sound quality wasn’t as good) and it was a partial of 5-13-77, which included the Jerry solo/noodling and Other One. I was never able to find a tape of the whole show in good sound quality, so I was pretty happy when the Box came out.

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Submitted by CaseyJanes on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 13:48

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Bolo24 is Bolo24...of course!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 14:10

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Happy hours have started.

I going with a giant Mojito, which is a Mojito made in a 1-liter Paulaner Octoberfest mug, and sitting in the sun on the deck. It’s 65 and sunny now, was snowing last Saturday.

Woo Hoo!

You don't have to twist my arm to listen to this show. Of the two Chicago shows, this one kicks ass.

Bob T, regarding the banter before TMNS, are we missing some of the banter in the official release? Pretty soon we will a full band here. Dr. Shot, DR. Beechwood. So great.

Man, these guys had fun, that much is for sure.

Yes, just loved the way they played Jack A Roe in May of 1977.

Love the FOTD, finish the set with the Scarlet Fire! Come on.

Second set later.

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 14:44

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Bolo? Bolo is the person that makes little kids smile and giggle. Bolo is the person who strikes fear into the hearts of evil doers. Some say Bolo comes like the light of the morning. And like a wind, they have a name; Bolo. Around the fire at night, folks will speak of the time they met Bolo. Some in worried whispers. They're the person who gave Jerry a drink of water after an incredibly hot Fire on the Mountain. This one I know is true because I was there. Where ever you find a person looking for a “miracle” ticket, Bolo is there. Wherever a person is hungry Bolo is there with a soy burger. When you’re setting up camp the night before the big show and realize you forgot the coasters for your beer, Bolo is there. When you’ve hitchhiked for 2 days in the rain, that person that picked you up and handed you the fatty; Bolo. Bolo is an elemental being, hanging for a while in the flux between then and now. Most will be better for the chance encounter and probably will not realize who they just met.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 15:58

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I am not entirely sure who or what Bolo24 is. The only thing I am sure of is.. is that he is the one with the Nuclear Codes.

A bit of related trivia.. they only just recently released the identify of Bolo23.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 17:00

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Vguy ups the ante this weekend with Rolling Thunder? I'm in! I've never really listened to that one but it's some of our favorite San Francisco hippies in Mickey Hart's barn circa 1972 - what could go wrong? Surprised to see it's still available on iTunes.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 18:13

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Dark Star, and you get to hear Weir say "Thanks a whole hellav a lot" after he gets hit with a cup before encore??? Also a smoking Not Fade Away into an awesome Going down the Road... If we are burned out from Jai Alai Fronton I get it.... Bob t

Holy shit Bob T! Yes, for sure.

I have only listened to Dave's 34 once and it is really good. Such a unique show.

The MT May show from 1974 is probably now the second best 74 Dave's Picks released.

74 is so good. Certainly wish some of the early Dick's and RT trips were not complications but most of them are still so good. I get why some don't like going past 74.....
Anyway, for Friday we should try to do something other than an anniversary show......
How about 7/17/76?? Dave's #18, with bonus disc, with 7/16/76.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 10:34

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Now your talking. Have to spend time in the stereo room/office today so perfect, I can listen on the big boy system!
Finally did 5/7/72 a coupe days ago and wow I had forgotten what a beast this show is. Their ripping the whole show and man what a grease fest! The DS is good too, but I still like 5/11/72 better. Finally got to that yesterday. I don’t think the first half of the show is as good as others, but the last half is hard to beat, and I’ve akways had something for that DS....I had the loveliest time listening last evening; the light at that time of day, the sound and treats all dialed in, just a wonderful little respite from the current madness. A few hours of bliss. Dug it so much I stayed a little longer and broke out most of V2 Disc 2. Vault 2 has always been a favorite; awesome TIFTOO, New Potato and that monster Phil Jam....remember the first time I heard that, total mind fuck!
So yeah, I’m in for 5/14/74 today, thought all y’all were doing 5/15/70 tomorrow? and the three solos on Saturday?

I think that the plan was to listen to 5/15/70 tomorrow - Road Trips 3.3. It was mentioned by someone earlier in the week, then seconded by a number of other folks.

That being said, I am all for 7/17 and 7/16 1976 - 7/16 is my birthday, and I happen to love that release! As tomorrow is a Friday, perhaps we can squeeze in both, or save the 76 show for Saturday.

Peace

Edit: Oh yeah, Ace, Garcia, and Rolling Thunder are already lined up for Saturday... folks are jumping on dates early round here! :)

....Is in full swing.
They Played a lot of good shows on this date. This Vegas one was good.
https://archive.org/details/gd1993-05-14.140129.sbd.miller.flac2496
Was at this show. People got struck by lightning in the lot. Good times.
They also played this nifty show at the Greek Theatre in 1983. Good Rango Aud cleaned up by Miller.
https://archive.org/details/gd1983-05-14.fob.sonyecm220t.keshavan.mille…
Merramec Comm College 1970. This includes the NRPS set.
https://archive.org/details/gd1970-05-14.sbd.warner-evans.28716.sbeok.f…
Yes. May 14th delivers.
The Montana Scarlet -> Roses is fine stuff indeed. Must Have Been The Roses was the first song i heard after Jerry passed (in was on the cassette in my car at the time driving home from work), so that song has always had a special place in my heart since.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:24

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That is right, my mistake. How can I forget that? That was Strider's pick.

Let's do the 76 show(s), Dave's 18 next week.

Wow, 74 is good!

Be well folks.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:29

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Thanks - made my day!

Although I'm a little creeped out as it appears you've been stalking me for quite some time.

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:01

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Not stalking, watching your back.

Vguy
>>>>Was at this show. People got struck by lightning in the lot. Good times.

Maybe needed a little something more before "Good times".
…...so besides that Mrs. Lincoln.....

PS - on the plus side most of us HAVE been struck by lightning on the inside! Lazy or otherwise.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:32

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Sting was on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno back in the 90s when Leno commented about Sting opening for the Dead in the next couple days in Vegas. “It’s amazing how the Grateful Dead control the weather, every time they play there’s a cloud above the audience”.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 13:03

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I was listening as this is a fifty year anniversary. Any acoustic Dead is rarified.
I only saw the Dead once in Nevada, the two days in April 91. Santana was awesome as a double bill. The jam with Carlos during Bird Song the second day stands out as a high point.
I used to have all my shows listed here on Dead.net when they mysteriously disappeared a year ago or so. Lucky I have my own record marked in the 50th year Dead Base that came out somewhat recent.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 14:07

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Started out the day making a 50th Anniversary compilation of 5/14/70 and then devouring it!!

RECIPE:
Just grab some bread and slap in shnid=34165 Acoustic SBD, shnid=136645 Electric SBD & Road Trips Vol 3.3 Bonus Disc and JAM! It's super Tasty and I highly recommend it.

Just about to head into some 5/14/74 WRS... Donna's double Yowl at the end of PITB startled me, I wasn't expecting two!

Looking forward to 5/15/70 tomorrow, only in Grateful Dead land would 5/14/70 be an average show..

What a Year, What a Show, What a Band!

Be Well All

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Submitted by itsburnsy on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 14:17

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I was at the Vegas show when people got struck. I was also at RFK '95 when some heads got struck (hanging out under a tree of all places). Coincidently, I was struck by lightning in 1975, so the whole thing really freaked my parents out! Not a fun experience people, but to this day it doesn't scare me at all.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 17:03

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They have fixed the shows attended feature. You can update those in your profile, provided you are able to remember. (Would be tough for me, if it were more than one show...lol)

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 22:06

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....of the Big Sky Dark Star is when things start to get....dark. Three minutes later, it's a jazzy primordial ooze. 1974 doesn't fuck around.
And that China Doll 🥰

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 05/15/2020 - 05:26

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I love the Montana recording. I lived a few years in Montana starting in 1975. The University of Montana student newspaper the Kaiman ran a full page piece titled “we asked the Grateful Dead what they think about playing in Montana”. It had a photograph of mostly the roadies giving the finger to the camera.