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    "To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

    ¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

    Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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  • #1421
    CaseyJanes
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    WilfredT UJB

    You are correct sir about the Bm...also a Dm and Dsus2 according to Ultimate Guitar Tabs on the “Official Version”. I love the above mentioned app. Has most every song that you can think of and usually there are many versions to play so if you’re not quite getting one arrangement there is usually a way for guys like me to dumb it down a bit. That said I need to add those chords on UJB as they are in my range. Will also try the riff....I have a little pentatonic game as well! (I’m guessing there)

    For the record, and if memory serves, I do believe I’ve seen youtube of you playing WilfredT, and you are an excellent player. I’m like a wanna be campfire player at best, but it’s more fun then a frog in a glass of milk.

  • #1422
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    Hola Senor Janes

    Good to see ya!
    I think Bob was alluding to what I’ve heard/read all of them say over the years; it got harder and harder to get the band (especially Jerry) to rehearse and some of those songs you just couldn’t do well without rehearsal: LS, Cosmic Charlie, St Stephen etc. Unfortunately another side effect of ole Jer Bears monkey...especially when you consider how hard many of Jer’s parts were on these songs...it’s a bummer but no wonder many of the greats were set aside.

    GUITARS & CADDILACS; used to play all the time. Tried to play guitar for ten years, occasionally professionally, once in the studio....switched to bass and rarely looked back. Did try the solo acoustic/apre thing briefly, but wasn’t that good and it’s really hard carrying the whole show by your self. And Scarry! Don’t have that front man Mojo either “star waaarrrsss, nothing but staaaarrrrr wwwaaaarrrsss” much prefer to play with 3 to 5 people, the interaction is where it’s at. But the rush of playing in a hot band in front of a bunch of people IS uncompareble....talk about a high!
    But yeah, I preferred being in the back row under the dark lights grooving on the Bass. Played that professionally on and off for 20 years, last ten it was my main, though not only job...It was a gas, but after 100-150 nights a year, often at shitty bars and clubs, when your feet are killing you and your back can’t take that heavy lumber anymore, we’ll sometimes it’s a double edge sword doing what you love for a living....unfortunately haven’t really played in like ten years now. Had to TRY and grow up and get a real job....plus after I got booted out of my main gig, eventually all the calls stopped coming as it is a small, close knit group that gets the gigs here.
    I truly miss it in my minds eye, but I don’t miss schlepping that heavy ass gear at 3 in the morning, or getting hassled by the law, or trying to get inspired when your back hurts and it’s late, and there’s only 4 drunks left, but I do miss it.
    GUITARS
    - Ibanez Muscian Series I got in 79 and modified with Alembic circuitry/pickups in 84.
    - Madeira Acoustic
    - 84 Alembic Spoiler 4 string electric Bass
    - Michael Kelly Club Deluxe 5 String Acoustic/Electric Bass. picked this up early century when I was playing a lot to get upright sound etc. Never spent enough on upright to be proficient as it’s physicaly painful, and it’s a drag trying to play live with a loud band. I liked the sound I good get with the Kelly and a Sans Amp tech 21 Acoustic DI. It’s made for Acoustic guitar but works awesome for the Acoustic Bass. Seceret is the adjustable mid....
    shit, ramblin again, sorry, fun topic. DAVEROCK sportin’ the Bobbie Dazzler! Nice axe bra! My guitar teacher always played and sold Gretches. Wish I would of got one, but wanted a Bob Weir Ibenez so bad. Almost had one but got the Muscian series instead. I’ve seen pictures of both Bob and Jerry playing one but not sure what show (s)? Think it was around when Bob was first using Ibenez?

  • #1423
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    There's a B Minor in there somewhere...I think after the G. The riff is fun, too! Don't forget to learn that :-)

    Thanks for sharing info. on your guitars, too. I also have a '96 Washburn (D-20 in Koa). My brother just bought his first guitar, a Seagull S6... :-)

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    6/22/83 source

    Yeah I think that’s the same source as I had. As I say at the time it was definetly my best sounding tape which in those days wasn’t saying much, but this one shined! Great show too, and looks like it must of been a great place to freak freely from the news clip.
    So my buddy Doug hooked up with some dude who either was doing the taping or ? Not sure I really knew, but they knew WTF they were doing, had like Nac with sennhieser mics and were usually low generation and near that quality.
    I had the best gear so most of my friends/cousins would bring their new tapes to my house for coping etc so I’d usually get decent generations. Some shows better than others depending on where they were located. Remember, this was before taper section so some diehard pros would poach in front of board, which sometimes was awesome, other times too loud or tone unbalanced etc...
    Anyway, we start getting some killer 83’s, probably end of year I’m guessing. Unfortunately I never got the source guys info and next thing you know ole Doug’s knocked up the bosses daughter, whose family is super religious so shotgun wedding and no more fun for ole druggles, poor bastard! And no more tapes for us! Dooaah
    Funny part was he got our band to play his ultra conservative wedding, but’s that’s a whole nother story for the bonfire....

  • #1425
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    Hey all, COVID seems to have me busier than I’ve ever been with both the wife and kid working and schooling here at the cave...so I’ve just been lurking here lately on the site, but I have to jump in on a good guitar convo.

    Dennis, I’ve read that 1983 is right around when Gibson started producing great acoustics again, shifting back to some of the methods that they used on 60s flat top guitars. I would love to play that Hummingbird. I’ll bet it sounds awesome, and from knowing what I know of you, it is probably very well cared for! I just recently learned UJB. It was surprisingly (to me at least) very easy to learn and made up of only 5 basic chords (G, D, C, Am, Em) which are some of the first chords (and easiest) that most guitar players will learn. Rhythmically, the toughest part of the song IMO is probably in what would be considered to be the chorus....that is the part that goes “whoa-o what I want to know is ______________....there are some quick chord changes in that line which take some practice, but all in all, not to difficult. That said, singing it and playing at the same time for me is much more difficult. I have only recently been able to incorporate some singing along with my playing and I have been playing for more than 20 years. Some of that I think is confidence factor of worrying about what others think I sound like, which I really don’t give a shit about anymore, but the other part is that rhythmically it is not easy to learn, especially if the song has difficult chord phrasing. Did anyone hear the Bob Weir Shakedown interview from Friday night? He had some interesting comments about Lost Sailor and the reason it didn’t stay around for too long in the bands repertoire. Too difficult to play and the other band members didn’t want to spend the time on it. And we’ve seen that LS has only recently been brought back into D&Cs repertoire. So this got me thinking about the progression of Bob Weirs playing ability. Of course it’s widely know that Bob was nearly kicked out of the band early on because of complaints about his guitar playing. And to be fair he only started playing guitar at the age of 13 and then met Garcia just 3 years later. And any player is going to experience some plateauing, especially early on. That said, it make me wonder if the shift in style on WMD and AB were at least partly made in efforts to help with this handicap as the arrangements are much simpler and back to the basics. (Here is a quote from wiki on the subject:
    “The incident apparently led to a period of significant growth in Weir's guitar playing. Phil Lesh said that when drummer Mickey Hart left the band temporarily in early 1971, he was able to hear Weir's playing more clearly than ever and "I found myself astonished, delighted and excited beyond measure at what Bobby was doing." Lesh described Weir's playing as "quirky, whimsical and goofy" and noted his ability to play chord voicings on the guitar (with only four fingers) that one would normally hear from a keyboard (with up to ten fingers).[13].

    Cousins: what kind of guitars do you own? What gets the most play? Based on your bands genre, I’m going to guess a Fender Telecaster?

    Here are my guitars:

    1). 1996 Washburn Limited Edition Acoustic
    2). 2017 Gibson Les Paul High Performance in Cherry Red Sumburst
    3). Seagull Artist Studio CW Deluxe Element
    4). MJT Custom Telecaster build that is aged vintage relic...Taos Turquoise over 3-Tone burst
    5). Rhino issued Grateful Dead Dancing Bear/Stealie ukulele (don’t really play this one just decoration
    6). I also recently ordered a Taylor GS Mini Koa Plus E with edge burst on my 4 years zero interest Sweetwater card. I needed a good travel guitar and this one gets phenomenal reviews....can’t wait!, but sshhhhhh! Don’t tell Mrs Casey!

    -the one I play the most (currently) is the Seagull...most accessible hanging on the wall right next to the couch in my living room. It has a pick up so I can plug it in but I rarely do as it projects nicely anyway. It as a solid Sitka Spruce Top, with Solid Rosewood back and sides, Mahogany neck and Ebony fingerboard, gold vintage tuners. It’s a beautiful guitar that sounds just as good as it looks.

    Oro - Great repo car story...had me LOL as usual! For those interested, I promise to finish my Gorge story very soon. Fell off the wagon on that one, but the details are still there. Anniversary is also fast approaching....bummed I can’t do the repeat as I planned for Boulder in July...hopefully we can get back at it soon!

    Doc - Great to read your regular posts again. Glad you’re back.

    Be Well Dead People!

    KCJ

    Led Ded: just read your post...couldnt agree more. No better hobby and incredibly gratifying when you are able to overcome a plateau....repitition and practice....I’m at least one hour a day usually early mornings or later at night!

  • #1426
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    Yes, some of us really play...

    I am a guitar freak. I have about two dozen electrics, two acoustics and a couple basses, untold effects pedals and several amps. I actually do pick up those instruments with my two hands and play the shit out of them, every day, sometimes only for a half hour and other times all day long, esp. on weekends.

    It's the most gratifying hobby I've ever known. When you start out, you suck and sound like shit. Over time, you learn other people's songs, chord changes, scales, etc. One day you find yourself sitting there with a drink and wailing along to "Layla" at full volume, kicking ass and blending right into the record. And then, you start coming up with your own stuff. Some people eschew covers and play as themselves right off, but if there's a kind of music you like, learning that stuff gives you a toolbox of techniques from which to start doing your own thing.

    You get out of it what you put into it, practice practice practice. I don't really practice so much as play, but you hone your skills through repetition and hours devoted as you pick up new things here and there. One of my favorite things is to crank up a "Big River" like the one on One From The Vault, and wail along with Jerry. He was so good in his prime it's sick.

    I'm not in a band. I have a straight job and a family (and a mortgage etc.) However now and again getting in a room with other musicians, especially with drums present, and turning up is as much fun as it looks. Unfortunately it looks like a bleak time right now for anyone struggling to make it as a musician. First album sales were destroyed by the internet and bands had to depend on live concerts and merch sales. What are they going to do now?

    A long time ago, I might have leaned that way, but I'm glad I went with the straight job, keeping the guitar playing on the side, pure artistic expression with no strings attached or record company bullshit. Last, anyone who's always wanted to learn to play the guitar, go buy a decent one and get after it! If you keep with it, it will reward you more than you can imagine.

    \m/

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    Did someone say, "Saint Paul"?

    LOVE that show from '77 (AND the Saint Paul show from the 1978 box), but cannot allow myself to get distracted from my E72 studies. I still need to finish Bickershaw AND Amsterdam, then get to Rotterdam on its anniversary today. The back-to-back concerts on this tour make things difficult . . .

    I didn't get into Grateful Dead until I was 21 (1991), but if I had been born ten or fifteen years earlier, I would have attended those old MN and upper-midwest shows.

  • #1428
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    Hey Dennis, I'll take your Hummingbird if it's lonely :-)
    I play guitar in a band(Western Swing/Honky Tonk) , although not sure when we'll be able to play out again this year.

  • #1429
    Dennis
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    Just got DP29 in from Real Gone Music. I never bought any of the DP's when they were coming out, my buddy was getting them and sending me copies, money was tight and what the hell. In the end, wish I had bought them all as they came. Now I'm too cheap to pay some of the prices I see for complete sets, and the wife would never understand :-).

    I have to say for anyone who hasn't bought these real gone music releases, they did a nice job on it. At first blush I thought the bonus tracks weren't included, but though not listed, they are there. It was 60 bucks from amazon (got a price cut before it shipped!) So maybe I'll look into getting the real gone collection,,,,, if it's cheap enough :-)

    Dave the Rock and the Gretsch - I know Dave's not the only one on these boards who has guitars AND I know absolutely NOTHING about guitars or playing. But I looked up your guitar and yeah, pricey things. The demo's online made it sound very nice. My question, can you really play? I've met many people over the years who have instruments of all types, played "in my youth", they can still strum a few basic cords, but really can't play. I have a Gibson hummingbird my wife gave me back in 83-ish, why, I have no idea. Maybe she thought I develop unknown talents. I told it's a nice guitar, quite a few people have strummed it over they years and say "very nice". But one night at the store a customer who came in all the time (doctor of some sort), had just bought a new hummingbird, asked me bring in my old one. Bastard sat down and knocked out UJB off top of head. Blew me away. BTW - said my old hummingbird was much louder than new ones.

    So Dave, do you play? Also other folks out there, do you really play? I believe some of you are in bands?

    Just curious.

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    The bonus disc is simply amazing! Classic songs/jams and the sound is superb. This was a GRATE addition to a magnificent show. Thank you Dave!

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"To my ears, the best Dead shows are those that not only fit the criteria that make them amongst the best of a year, but that are also completely unique for their era—shows that fit perfectly into their year of performance, but also fall somewhat outside of the norm for that year. Harpur College, Veneta, Cornell, Cape Cod, and Augusta are all shows that are objectively excellent, and if they are not the best from their respective years of performance, they are certainly unique. Miami 6/23/74 falls into that category: not only one of the very best shows from this outstanding year, but also one of the most interesting and unique. It’s certainly worthy of many, many deep listens." - David Lemieux

¡Ándale, ándale! ¡Arriba, arriba! We're back with a hot one from Miami, F-L-A. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 34 features the complete show from the Jai Alai Fronton, 6/23/74, one with unparalleled sound quality due in equal parts to the Wall Of Sound and the beautiful sonic clarity of Kidd Candelario's tapes. The first set is chock full of dynamite takes on classics like "Ramble On Rose," "Mississippi Half-Step," and "Cumberland Blues." The second set delivers on the JAMS - one leading into a gorgeous "Ship Of Fools," one rare instrumental version of "Dark Star," and a "Spanish Jam," this is Miami after all! The show also offers up a "first" and an "only" - the former, a Seastones set featuring Phil and Ned Lagin and the latter, the sole Grateful Dead performance of Chuck Berry's "Let It Rock."

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.34: JAI ALAI FRONTON, MIAMI, FL 6/23/74 has been mastered from the 7.5 IPS reel-to-reel tapes to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. ¡Agarrarlo mientras esta calientito! (Get it while it's hot!)

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Subscribed to Dave's Picks? With this release, you'll also get a bonus disc with selections from Miami 6/22/74. Excellente!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 12:22

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SIXTUS: whoa, major bummer. It’s often hardest when you think your good and don’t know it’s coming. Remember, when the going gets weird...!
Hang in there, often we take the biggest steps forward after things go sideways or fall apart. Hey, look at the bright side, you can sharpen your frisbee golf skills 😉
Speaking of unforeseen setbacks and new gigs, was it WILFREDTJONES that had similar challenges not so long ago? If so, hows that all worked out?
DENNIS: like Daverock said so well once again, talant isn’t necessarily necessary. It’s just like anything else, if you spend enough time at it eventually you’ll figure it out. I recommend perhaps some basic lessons to get you started; basic cords, perhaps basic scales. Or there are all kinds of sources, but I liked the books....or if you know someone get them to show you some cords and a couple simple songs. There are millions of simple 2 -3 chord songs out there. Once you can play most of the basic chords, move on to bar chords etc. Painful, but necessary. At that point, you should be able to follow along using chord sheets to accompany songs you want to learn. Once you can hear the changes and play along, try to find a open jam and start to play with people, that’s when the real fun starts!
It may sound like a lot, but if you WANT to do it and spend enough time, most folks can learn to play basic guitar.
Of course with your “affliction” your poor wife would probably kill ya in your sleep if you started collecting that shit, 😆 like you and DAVEROCK and some of the others would love this place! (Bought my Ibenez there in 79)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Guitars

DAVEROCK: too damn funny, well said! That was always my joke: “just because we get paid doesn’t mean we’re any good” lol.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 13:28

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Sixtus, really sorry to hear about your job.
Stay strong and we all hope for better times ahead.

Best,

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Submitted by unkle sam on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 13:46

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So sorry man, I was in the same boat in March, all I can say is hang in there man, it will get better. I applied for unemployment and the company tried to screw me out of it, but all came thru and now I am making more than I would have if I had kept working. So file for unemployment and take the cash that they are giving. 600$ from the feds plus what your state will pay depending on the formula your state uses. You earned it and besides, Might as Well. Now you've got all the time in the world to catch up on whatever you need to catch up on, it's all good.

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Submitted by mustin321 on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 14:22

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Billy the Kid- Thanks for the recommendation! ...I feel like I've heard this show talked about a lot, but I'm currently listening and they just came back from Space (great Space by the way!) and back into Playing in the Band. Despite Jerry's vocals sounding about as rough as possible, the performances in this show are outstanding.

Sixtus- I'm right there with ya, currently searching for work. But its been fun listening to shows while on the hunt. I've had the time to go through large chunks of 87 and 89, a lot of good stuff I've never heard before, and several others here and there. (Like 4/28/85). And I'm gonna squeeze in as much as possible because I know this time won't last forever.

As far as releases go - We need more 80's shows for sure! I know that Dave has said there isn't a whole lot available from the 80's, but I'm definitely ready for whatever they have. All of the 80's stuff thats been released is pretty sweet. All the 80's shows from 30 Trips, Dave's Picks 27, RT4.4, Giants Stadium shows, RFK shows, etc...The Music Never Stops!

...that if a thing is worth doing, its worth doing badly. I have had no end of fun doing things I am not very good at...football, cricket and dancing come to mind, as well as playing the guitar. Why should the talented people have all the fun?

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 20:15

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....not our Doc, but that Doc. Or is it the same Doc, just in a different timeline? Damnit Back To The Future! Damnit Biff!
I don't play guitar. Have two. Dusty.
Why the GOGD only played Let It Rock once is dumbfounding. But I don't play in the band. I just ingest them.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 21:22

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I guess were brothers with time on our hands now. I feel for you. When one journey ends, another begins I guess. That frisbee golf sounds fun. With beer of course. Carlo out.

Love that avatar

Sixtus, if its any consolation, my wife got laid off in March. We still ok, but I reeeeeeeally want her to get a job soon.

We all are rooting for you, Sixtus.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 05/12/2020 - 23:30

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....in low times. Spanish Jam -> US Blues. Over & Over. Soooooo good. Can't help to smile.
edit. The UJB is gravy. OMSN is the napkin.
Best wishes to everyone....

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 02:13

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Dave's 7 Normal Illinois 4/24/78 to be precise. It starts in the fast lane, and the whole first set burns very brightly. Check out the interplay between Jerry and Bob on second song Rambling Rose-Bob on slide, no less. But it fits in beautifully here. The second set wanes a bit to my ears. The longer it goes on the slower they seem to play-although the Werewolves encore brightens things upo a bit-this time with Jerry on slide.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 04:02

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To all those good people here whose employment has been adversely affected by this insidious virus. This too shall pass, eventually, so hang in there.

As others have opined, thank God for the Good Ol' Grateful Dead during these bizarre times.

If you get confused, listen to the music play.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 07:08

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Slow Dog: yes, Eastman are great guitars for the money, really well-made and extremely resonant when not plugged in. I like my 371 better than some of the more recent ES 175s.
Sixtus, sorry to hear about your job loss. Strange Days indeed, just heard that LA county may be closed through July.

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 07:25

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Band names are easy – in high school we had a made up band, “The Yellow Flame”.
Arrested? Hell, they don’t even fingerprint anymore, they know who I am.
Sex tape – Tried, only could manage a short (and that was with upcoming previews)
But my band is gonna take a different direction. I kinda going the Richard Cheese route. I going to do my own angry rap lyrics over Andy Williams songs, instead of hard rock done lounge style.

My rapping name will be “Twisted Jay”

Born Free as free as the wind blow…..

They made me a slave the day I was born.
Locked me on a ship and sent me abroad.
Hooked me to a plow, treated me like a mule.
Picked their cotton and made their food

Born Free as free as the wind blows…..

Fast forward to today, Has anything changed?
Life ain’t no different, what can I say.
Stick up the head, shot while unarmed.
Nothing but sorrow left for my moms.

Born Free as Free as the Wind blows……

Never been free in the USA
When I walk down the street, whites go the other way
When I go to court, it’s pay, pay, pay
Wednesday in America is just another day.

Born Free as free as the wind blows

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 10:00

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The extremely gracious and heartfelt support from this group sincerely touches my emotions in a powerful way; your positivity, gentle reminders of what we are ALL capable of, and true sincerity shine through the words on the page.

The common awe of The Grateful Dead is why we're all here.
The takeaway, for me, is so much more than that; it's difficult to clearly express in words but my sincere gratitude is hopefully apparent in return.

Thank you All for your support and kind words.

-Sixtus

P.S. Disc Golf course is indeed open!

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 17:37

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That's what's coming after Dave. Dark stars on every release bird songs on every release.

How does this show sound so good? I think Norman's filtering it through a stereo expander. Every once in awhile I talked about the Poweramp app that I use on my phone to listen to the Grateful Dead on. Android only. The sound enhancement tools make these to track recordings sound so much better I can't even begin to tell you what you're missing. But I guess you have to have a good pair of noiseless headphones to not crappy earbuds. But anyway it almost seems like Jeffrey Norman is cleaning up the sound a lot more with digital tools that in the past. Plus you figure every 5 years or so they probably have some kind of big technology come out of that Roswell crash. But anyway I'm just thinking about how much better I can make Dave's Picks Volume 2 sound simply by running it through a couple of filters. If I can do that Norman can do that and I think he has a lot more stuff like that at his disposal than ever before. Great job Jeff we love it. This doesn't even sound like a '74 for fucksake.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 05/13/2020 - 19:27

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...if anyone missed out on these two most recent Dave’s picks from 2020 series, send me a PM Message. Theirs a place that has a couple copies available for face value 🙏❤️💀🌹

Please don't post here just to sell stuff.

🙏❤️💀🌹

Regardless of the terms. This place cannot become a resale venue, it would simply ruin the spirit of well... everything. Set up an eBay account or go somewhere that is better set up to handle this kind of stuff.

PM or not, secret handshake or not.. if it's someone else selling it and not you, or not.. another site or not.. purportedly for sale at face value or not, it's poor form and very much what dead.net is not intended to be. This is not a secondary market, and it's just weird to advertise selling Dave's Picks (or anything) here for sale. And the whole way this comes across just feels dirty and shady. Week after week, time after time. Please stop it.

How about a nifty little tune to drive the point home.

LMG if you please
I am on my bended knees
don't post to sell any shit here, anymore.
anymore.
anymore oh ohh-oore. ANYMORE!

Glad I got that off my chest. whew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9DCAFUerzs

Now, …Back to your regularly scheduled Drums and Space.

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Submitted by Butch on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 03:35

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LMG, what you're doing isn't cool. To anyone. Not to the people who have felt ripped off by you. Not by the dead.net site, whose terms of use not only prohibit reselling their stuff, they prohibit any use of their website for selling, so double whammy there. And personally it makes me feel like what if however unlikely you really are the insider you claim to be and these CDs you're selling were courtesy gifts to you? And then you turn around and sell them when someone legit could have gotten a copy. And you're only selling these face value because it's all they're worth. Your Europe CDs weren't so inexpensive.

This is at least the thrid time I remember people asking you to stop, so why don't respect dead.net and it's customers.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 04:10

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I’m not trying to sell anything to anybody. I had lunch with a friend and found a record store near by that has them for sale.
Just trying to help somebody/family Run Indie Record Shop.who’s caught up in this medical crisis we are all experiencing with this deadly virus and as you all probably already know a lot of people are out of work and trying to find funds and money to keep their businesses and their families open alive and fruitful.
Have a grateful day! 🙏❤️💀🌹
***PS***
I bought my 2nd copy of Dave’s Picks #5,at a Fye Music Store in The Garden State Mall by The Newark airport in New Jersey, for $35.00!

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Submitted by simonrob on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 04:52

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I wasn't aware that Dave's Picks were distributed to retail. If not, why would a record store buy them from here and then sell them for the same price. That ain't how it works. I always have my doubts about LMG's posts and this one is no different.

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Submitted by CaseyJanes on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 05:15

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I call bullshit LMG......someone correct me if I’m wrong but Dave’s Picks are not sold in mass to independent record stores so that they can turn them for a profit. They are limited edition copies that are only available through dead.net. So then, if said record store is purchasing them for resale then they are doing so at retail, and now that the production numbers are higher they are having a hard time getting rid of them for anything more than “face value”. I have no sympathy for them or you and since you have proven yourself to be a liar in other circumstances, I have no reason to believe you now either....almost like the boy who called WOLF except in this case you are the boy and the WOLF. Cut your deck to the queen of spades, but the cards are all the same....

I think someone else here said it best.....go sell your PBJs at another entrance.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 06:09

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... I can tell by your posts you have no idea how the Business operation goes especially a record music store & RSD participation
I’m not going to debate or go any further but to say once again, “I am not selling anything to anyone on this website And this harassment Needs to stop & Will BE Fixed🙏❤️💀🌹

*** PS:
I want to end this nonsense with this notion; when the Dave’s pick series began in 2011 or 2012 I didn’t have a computer or any internet device or access,so I went to my local record shop at that time in my life, and the owner/old friend ordered me subscription. ; that’s just one example ...
Now let’s all move on peacefully. Be safe everyone, rock on my Brothers and sisters 🙏

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 06:30

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Are they opening up in the US? Over here they are all closed except for mail order. I realise that your various states are at different stages of relaxing any lockdown whereas England at least is likely to act as a nation.
If anyone reading does have some idea of the business can they say if DaP’s are released to record stores on RSD? I’d be interested to know.

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Submitted by CaseyJanes on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 07:28

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To my knowledge Dave’s Picks has never been part of the annual RSD drop. I go every year to a handful of record stores and have never seen them. Furthermore RSD has been rescheduled for 2020 for three separate weekends in the fall:

https://www.jambase.com/article/record-store-day-rsd-drops-dates

Harassment? You are the only one who continues to harass others on this site with repeated offers to sell goods. I have seen many here offer to give things away for free, but you are the only one that I’ve noticed who is selling. The most recent violation that I know of was when a few months ago you offered a unopened copy of Dave’s Picks Volume 2 for $225 via PM, and then claim that you are only doing it for your “meds”.....

As a reminder....Last summer, you personally ripped me off charging $900 for “beautifully framed” Stanley Mouse artwork that arrived without frames. You also told me that you would throw in for free a D&C summertour print that never arrived. Then you subsequently posted the same prints for sale at a significantly cheaper price and said you were doing so as a favor to Mr. Mouse personally. Ughh...it’s just disgusting!

Harassment???? You know where you can stick that comment

Emojis

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Submitted by gben on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 07:32

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Are folks still waiting to receive their copy? I live in CA and have not heard word one, no shipping notice, and no package in my mailbox. Are there other folks still waiting?

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Submitted by Kjohnduff1 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 07:35

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I’m not usually an anniversary show listener - unless one lines up with the era that I was already looking for - but that’s what happened this morning with the ‘78 show from 30 Trips.

An underrated show from that box - it has a ton of fire and energy. The 17+ minute Let It Grow to end the first set is an absolute scorcher.

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Submitted by mustin321 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 09:13

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Not to get in the middle, but if someone is ripping someone off on a site designed for comments pertaining to the current release, that is bullshit of the worst kind. I don't want to speak for everyone, but I come to this site for the kind community created by great music, to hear interesting stories, and learn more about this band, or just music in general. Much gratitude for the good souls out there.

Dave's Picks have definitely not ever been a part of Record Store Day. RSD releases are primarily vinyl releases, and Dave's Picks has never been issued on vinyl. If my memory is correct, the only Grateful Dead RSD release issued on CD was the Warfield Acoustic sets, and that was also issued on vinyl. All that being said, I have seen a couple of "new" Dave's Picks for sale at Indy CD/Vinyl here in Indianapolis. I don't recall the exact prices, but they were somewhere around $40. I say "new" because they obviously had to be bought here first, as they are not distributed to any retail stores, and it was still sealed... I've never heard Dave say "If they sell out here, check out your local record store..."
But however they ended up there, it doesn't matter, a record store is a perfect place to sell new/used CDs. Not here.

P.S. Thanks KevinBrandon for mentioning 1921. That tune gave me a much needed warm fuzzy feeling this morning.

Nice shout to an excellent record store, Indy CD & Vinyl! I love that place. I hope it survives the lockdown.

I have given the latest Dave's Picks release a couple of listens-through, and it is as expected. Excellent. I had this show on tape back in those days, and it got a lot of play in the late night hours.

However, the real gem is the bonus CD. I am so glad I bit the bullet in November and bought the subscription again after having passed on it for a couple of years. This may be one of the best bonus discs yet. That's a conversation for another day (or has it already been addressed?): best bonus disc EVER.

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 10:34

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Interesting to see your comment on lockdowns Colin, I've been wondering what the situation on the ground is in other places. Things in Montana seem pretty normal except for the fact that with the supply chains out of whack there are things absent from supermarkets and limits on the amounts that can be purchased for certain items like meats and toilet paper. Our state imposed restrictions are starting to be lifted at this time, but we have only had a total of 459 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 16 deaths in a population of about 1 million spread over a land area of 147,040 square miles. In contrast, on the news last night I noticed that they reported about 10% of the state population applied for food assistance of some sort last month, so it seems the economic impacts out here may have exceeded the impact of the virus to date.

As far as your statement that England is acting as a nation and your implication that the US is not, Montana is an example of the fact that different states in the US are having different experiences with the virus as we are clearly in a different situation than the New York city area where the virus has run wild, and different responses are appropriate. England has a population of about 56 million spread over a landmass of 50,346 square miles whereas the US has about a population of about 330 million spread over 3,797,000 square miles, ranging from sparsely populated western states like Montana to densely populated urban areas in states like New Jersey or New York. I don't know how well a one size fits all strategy works in England, but I can tell you I can't see how it makes sense to treat Montana the same as New York City when conditions are totally different in each location.

Looking at the economic damage that has already resulted from the shutdowns, I have to wonder how long the shutdowns can be sustained before there is lasting damage resulting in famine and shortages and collateral deaths from the economic damage that is accruing. The UN has already warned of the possibility of famines resulting from the disruptions caused by COVID-19 so it seems there should be some assessment of the misery and death that will inevitably result from an extended shutdown as well as the potential death toll of the virus. Having barely avoided losing my home in the economic crash a decade ago, I am not eager to repeat the experience.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:07

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...is it just me, or does it seem outrageous that a person with so many serious health problems is meeting people for lunch in one of the most dangerous areas of the country? Not sure which infraction is worse?

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 11:39

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Not cool!

If you truly want people to believe your message of peace, love, and happiness for all, then you should promptly refund his money.

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Submitted by direwulf on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 12:50

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Gre-e-e-easy. Its becoming bleak in here, what with the apocalypse and such. Pretty soon someone will be offering up chunks of their neighbor at discount prices. If there was a Dave's for sale at FYE it would have to be found in some sort of used bin not for sale on the floor like a regular cd set. Not fulfilling an arrangement would be downright offensive. It would appear shameful behavior abounds as of late. That bonus disc though, WOW! Some truly unique and great playing throughout, superb distraction from it all.

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 13:38

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Apologies if I triggered you in some way. I was only asking if record stores were reopening. I assume from what you are saying that they probably are in Montana.
I am fortunate in some ways that I took early retirement a few years ago so I don’t have a job to lose and my income hasn’t been cut. Of course, this also means I’m old so if I do get the virus I’m at a higher risk of dying. My best wishes and thoughts to everyone who are losing their jobs or have lost friends and relatives. These things too will pass away.

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Submitted by Charlie3 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 14:22

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No worries, your post just got me wondering and that got me rambling, which may have come off different than intended. Hopefully I didn't offend you either.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Thu, 05/14/2020 - 14:26

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I found an album tucked away since the early eighties. The knack. Remember when they came out? So out of left field when this band popped up. P.S.- cheech and Chong came out with their version called ma,ma,ma, my scrotum.

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