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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1271
    rockthing
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    You cats are already on to 1973. I'm still savoring the gentle respite in the oasis of Austin.

    Death don't have no mercy, but there's always time for lunch.
    Thanks for reminding me of LL. I need to see if I can get reinstated over there.

    Grateful Dead Live at The Auditorium, Austin, Tejas on 1970-02-23
    Harpur College was another of my heavy, heavy rotation tapes back in the day, along with the 2/18/71 Capitol Theater show I've already mentioned numerous times. Both were massive inspirations. For what seems in hindsight like a fairly significant period of time, if it wasn't one of those, it was Reckoning.

    I Know You Rider: Lovin' the energy and grit of this Rider. It's almost angst.

    High Time: This is a song! It's a pretty weird song, too, and after attempting it several times, myself, I must say it isn't surprising it wasn't played often. Damn, it's hard to sing. I submitted a completely deconstructed version of this for the February Dead Covers Project a few years back. I made a point of not revisiting to the original before recording, just going off memory and some notes left in an old binder of songs. I'm sure the ever-growing defenders of canon were thinking, "You ain't doin' it right if you ain't readin' it off a teleprompter." It was an "interpretation". Lol.

    Dire Wolf: What a lyric. An electric version, no less. Pretty mellow electric set, almost acoustic.

    Yellow Dog Joke… ah… well way to go for completely screwing up the joke, Bobby… actually, I'm not sure I've ever heard him make it all the way to the punch line. We should all heed Jerry's advice and "Don't encourage him." Everything was so light and positive in these days. Phil could be a bit surly, as we've already heard in this tape.

    Monkey and the Engineer: This was a standard in my old folk-rock duo. My partner played it and I just followed along. I'd have to start from scratch to figure out how to play it again. Such good stories in these tunes.

    Little Sadie: Nice. This wasn't on the Harpur College tape or Reckoning. Another dark story. I don't see how they could possibly be breaking strings playing such gentle music.

    Me and My Uncle: I don't recall hearing an acoustic version. It's a great song and works in any format. At this point everyone hadn't already heard it a million times. Imagine that!

    Black Peter: One of my favourite tunes ever. Doesn't get much darker than a song from the point of view of a death bed. Started doing this one myself occasionally a few years ago, but I always need a cheat sheet for the bridge. Nothing repeats. There are some interesting mnemonic connections between the chords and the words that help. Just have to sit down and do my homework. Ahh… yeah, Pig sittin' in nicely on the organ. This song needs a really delicate hand, but the organ adds a nice little gospel flavour. If only Pig coulda added just a touch more flair to his playing to fill in some lines before Jerry takes his solo. Pig's got the tone.

    Seasons of the Heart: Never heard this before. Great pick! Thanks.

    Uncle Johns: Have heard this one a few times. 😉

    Not Fade Away: I'm gonna call the union! The Galactic Rock'n'Roll Union! That needs to be a band name, or a song, or something! Crazy to think this tune was in their set their entire career. Some good ol' primal energy here. Jerry's "wild" tone. He must've had the amplifier turned WAY up, cause it sounds like he's not in the mix at all. His guitar is just being picked up by a vocal mic, or something. Basically, no drums, either. I can't keep track of which guitars he was playing in the early years. He seemed to play whatever was available after giving up the Starfire. Sounds kind of like a Stratocaster, The Graham Nash Strat, perhaps? Alligator did not come on the scene until later, if I recall correctly. This tone has even more of a stereotypical Stratocaster sound than Alligator, which retained very little Fender electronics by the time it gets heard on Europe '72. Anyone? Oh, cool call and response with Pig. TC has already left at this point? I need to get my timelines straight. Bobby diggin' in with some soulfully aggressive singing, rather than simply aggressive.

    Mason's Children: I can't recall ever hearing this, either. The name comes up often, but it's not on anything I've listened to regularly. Again, thanks for this pick! As you say, not exactly high-energy stuff, but some very rare pieces here. Always appreciate the chance to learn something new about this fascinating family.

  • #1272
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    Rockers!

    Lunch time. Death takes a breather. We're in the land of the living, gotta eat lunch.

    The "new, fixed" 2/17/73 was up at Lossless Legs first thing this morning. So, it sometimes pays dividends to get up early............

    So, one can get it there, or I can supply it to anybody who needs/wants..............

    The wise man does not lay up his own treasures. The more he gives to others, the more he has for his own......

    Rock on,

    Doc
    It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure......

  • #1273
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    Hey Doc,

    Where is the new Miller for this show? I see a 2020 transfer from Miller on the archive as of this morning, and this one has issues.

  • #1274
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    I met her accidentally in St. Paul, Minnesota......

    Mornin', rockers!!!

    For all you completists out there----as well as Row Jimmy fans----the talented Mr Miller just put out a "fixed" version of the fine St Paul show from February 17, 1973. Would make up part of a nice box set from early 1973----2/9, 15, 17, 19............

    Ah well, one can dream..............

    Rock on, happy Friday!

    Doc
    Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before........

  • #1275
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    ROCKTHING.............

    Check your PMs...........

    Music is the one incorporeal entrance into the higher world of knowledge which comprehends mankind but which mankind cannot comprehend........

    Rock on,

    Doc
    I frequently hear music in the very heart of noise.......

  • #1276
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    Hey rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Austin, Texas February 23, 1970

    I reluctantly discussed this at the end of last year. Here I am again. It appears that I’m stuck in a time warp. The galactic rock and roll union. I have no special talent, I am only passionately curious…..

    It appears that the currently circulated recording of this show is the only surviving audio document from the Dead’s four show excursion through Texas in February 1970. It’s tough coming right after the wonderful, brilliant Fillmore West/Fillmore East shows earlier that month, and perhaps it’s not unexpected that the intensity level might come down a bit. That being said, this is still interesting, enjoyable, and worthy…..

    The band is in 1970 electric/acoustic/electric mode. The circulating recording appears to be missing part of the first electric set, coming in during Know You Rider. For fans of acoustic Dead, this set is nice---Monkey And The Engineer-Little Sadie-Me And My Uncle-Black Peter-Seasons Of My Heart-Uncle John's Band. The festivities are completed with a jammy NFA and Mason’s Children.

    The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind. I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity……

    Did Bear travel to Texas, and did he record? Banana boxes, reveal thy mysteries…..

    Rock on,

    Doc
    Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods……

  • #1277
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    >daverock>

    The vocal dropouts are not evident in the audience tape, so that must have happened on the way to the board tape.

    That said, the recording is slightly overpowered by Jerry and Bob's guitars from the taper's vantage point, but a little time with a simple Equalizer was enough to bring more Phil and better presence to the vocals. I do recall a few lyric flubs with the new material, but in the overall mix it didn't really jump out at me. Probably much more obvious in the official release/soundboard recording.

    2/22/69>
    Oh, my. I can see this is gonna send me on a primal quest. I have all these fall '69 and fall '68 shows that I've never listened to, but I don't have much from the spring of those years. I love this gentle psychedelia. It's really these delicate type of sounds that really trigger the senses. I'm only up to Dark Star at this point, but what a beautiful way to start a show.... oops, "The transitive diamonds?" Haha. I'd probably have trouble remembering my name if I were there, so whatever.

    It's such a shame that we're restricted to streaming this show. Imho, if the official release isn't so significantly better sounding than one of these circulating boards that it isn't a no-brainer to buy it, then what's with the classism, eh? I know the boys need a retirement plan... but... --mini rant off--

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    Rockthing - good notes on this show - cheers! I'm going through it very slowly, but it's the L.P. I am listening to. Although it has the famous vocal drop outs, the sound and balance of the instruments sounds fine throughout to me. I have just played the side with Loose Lucy and Money Money on. A short side. The lyrics are a bit naff on both of them - but I like the music, and they were both played so rarely that when they do crop up, it's a welcome surprise to me.
    I presume the version you have listened to has the earlier vocal dropouts too.

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    Wrote these notes on Monday morning while drinking my coffee and getting ready to do some work from home. After a while I was mostly distracted by the show.

    I'll get to that Feb. 22 '69 show if I can, but I don't have that one handy. Hafta stream it.

    The ETree identifier of this source is 115876, btw. I don't have the box set, so these are my first impressions.

    It Must Have Been The Roses: Ok. /Now/ I'm awake. Possible tape change? There is suddenly a big improvement in sound quality for this hauntingly sensitive rendition. Jerry's voice is now clear above the guitars. Everything, save Phil, is suddenly much clearer and the sound field feels wider. Up to this point the tape had sounded like the tape the biker is listening to at the beginning of the Dead Movie. Nice harmony work during the refrain, blended well in the house mix.

    Loose Lucy: Gettin' in the funk. Jerry's just perfectly behind the beat to make it nice and nasty. If the syncopation isn't just right, this tune can completely lose all form really quickly. Loose Lucy must be a pretty new song at this point. I have no idea when this tune debuted. They didn't do this in concert much, as far as I know. I was lucky enough to see'em do it once, but the performance I saw was almost unrecognizable. Something was wrong with the timing, so it sounded all backwards. I was embarrassed to not even recognize it until Jerry started singing. This is a nice treat.

    I Know You Rider? Something seems to be wrong here. The info text says Money Money should be next followed by China/Rider, but we're just dropped into IKYR. Looks like some minor surgery might be needed on the meta data.

    Money Money: Ok. Someone's just mislabelled these files. Man, this has always been one of my least favourite songs in the Dead's catalogue. I rarely skip songs on albums, but being the album closer on Mars Hotel makes it easy. I don't think I've ever heard a live version of it, so this is kind of a treat, in its own sort of way. Having not heard it in such a long time, I guess it's not such a bad song. The negativity of the lyric just sems to strike such a contrast to most of the other stuff in the repertoire. John Lennon, for example, has a lot of negativity in his lyrics, but when I listen to him, I expect that.

    China Rider: Yeah. They're keepin' that funky groove going that was working so well during Loose Lucy. The transition jam seems to go almost immediately to an I Know You Rider feel. The guitar tone is very unusual here. It almost sounds like Bobby's Gibson 335 tone. He's playing lots of double-stops, where he plays two notes at a time even while soloing… wait… maybe that /was/ Bobby!? Some very cool interplay between Bobby and Phil before a guitar sound that is unmistakably Jerry joins in just ahead of the trademark unison bit before I Know You Rider. What is now clearly Jerry's tone keeps it going after the unison part, and now there's a Feelin' Groovy jam. I can almost see the smiling faces and twirling homemade sun dresses with flowers in the hair right now. Big, big ovation from the crowd as they settle into the Rider vamp before going into the first verse. They know what they've just heard. That was sweet, breezy, and smooth as can be. I'm guessing Jerry had some sort of equipment or other issue causing him to stop playing for a bit at the beginning of the transition. Oh, yeah, Jer, dig into that "On a north bound train" line. This and the out-of-place IKYR are going to get merged into one track when I get a chance.

    Set II:
    Promised Land: Yeah. Everybody's definitely up off their blankets now.

    Bertha: Got a little "Yee Haw" from someone nearby for "All night pouring, but not a drop on me." It's quite amazing how inobtrusive the audience is, considering this was recorded with a handheld mic by someone just hanging out in crowd.

    Greatest Story: Nice wah wah Jerry licks. Jerry's wah is so bubbly and has a rich swell, like the sound of a wave on the ocean. Using the rocking motion of the foot pedal definitely puts the player physically off balance, so I can understand why he seemed to abandon it later in favor of the Mutron "auto-wah" tone filter. Sounds so good here, though. Jerry's volume sounds cranked, though, totally drowning everything out. I ain't complaining. Oh, yeah. A little jam in GSET? They seem to have gone into something altogether different. I'm not sure if this is a set piece, but it feels unfamiliar to me. I know that I've heard occasional jams in Greatest Story, but they seem rare. This is definitely no longer the Greatest Story chord progression, but I don't know what it is, and then Wamp, Wamp-Wamp, right back into it. Now I'm gonna hafta start checking out Spring 1974 Greatest Stories. That was hot and adventurous, like maybe something went wrong and they fought through it… but maybe there was just a jam in this song back then.

    Ship of Fools: Giving the manic dancers their first break of the second set. The taper is stopping the tape between songs, though, so who knows how long they spent tuning in between. Very nice harmony work from Bobby and Donna.

    Weather Report: Seems a bit tentative in the earlier segments, but the Let It Grow jam is developing interestingly. The whole band just seems sort of in a gentle mood this night. Everything is soft and malleable, and most of all, creative, when they go off into improvised sections. The straight tunes are tight and, well, straightforward, but I'm hearing all sorts of novel ideas coming through during the instrumental segments. There seems to be a completely different confidence at work during this jazzy work out. You can hear Billy getting back to his swing roots and playing off Keith. This is fantastic. Such subtle interplay. Normally when I hear the full suite performed I wonder why they didn't continue to use the first parts, but in this case I didn't feel that way.

    Peggy-O: Jerry's picking is quite aggressive, and his tone is very chimey, even behind his vocal. Relaxed tempo, even by Peggy-O standards. In this recording it sounds almost like Billy and Jerry doing a duet, but Keith adds some accents here and there.

    ??: What is this? A playful little jam and some quiet noodling where the audience's shouts and requests become more prominent. Bobby announces technical difficulties.

    Truckin': Nice buildup, but not the major bomb drop I'm used to, and from there things start to get really weird. It's not spacy weird, just, "Whoa, what the heck is this?" weird. Some of the early 70s Truckin's could get totally abstract, so this is just the way they rolled back then. Great stuff. Gettin' that funky groove goin' from the first set again, even as the changes take on some jazzy influences. Bobby is very clear in the mix, and my oh, my it's gettin' Weir'ed. Jerry busts in with a burst of guitar feedback which seems to shock everyone for a moment, but they're still groovin'. This is the gold I look for in any show. It's funny because Mind Left Body actually sounds a lot like Loose Lucy. Billy and Phil getting' into a little funky-drummer exchange. Finally Phil breaks through in the mix with some space for him to hit that Bootsy one. In the info text "Jam" and "Mind Left Body Jam" had been listed separately, but they're actually all included in the Truckin' track, which is my preference. Cousinit made a real mess of this file set, but I can fix it. Rarely are there such glaring mistakes on the Archive, but this one has definitely been put together somewhat carelessly.

    NFA: This interesting because I've been listening to a lot of Alligator era NFA's or Bean era NFA's, and that gives a nice context to compare to this Wolf tone… of course, there is a LOT of recording tech affecting the sound here, but even though there's a nice honk, everything seems so nice and round and gently muted. Hey. What's this breakdown in NFA. Pretty sure I've never heard that before… and GTRFB. THAT, was an interesting transition.

    GTRFB: Nothing to worry about here. The old standby. Billy's hi-hat figure during the breakdown is, again, getting really funky with a swinging 16th note feel, or something. Very cool.

    US Blues: Mars Hotel weighted setlist. What month did that come out? Good, tight version.

    Johnny B. Goode: Full colosseum clap along for a high energy reading that does justice to the Check Berry original. Sometimes this can get a bit too languid. This one is rockin' hard.

    On repeated listen, I've messed with the EQ some. First of all I bumped up the EQ preamp level, I dunno, about 10db, I guess. I then added a further 12db of 64Hz, and 125Hz on the 10 band EQ to bring Phil nicely into the mix, but also lowered almost everything else about 6db on frequencies that had been flat to make the bass frequency differential greater. The bass still isn't terribly defined, but it at least brings Phil into play. He was completely inaudible without EQ. Got just a touch more vocal by giving the 1KHz and 2KHz about 1db. The tape has a sort of nostalgic cheap car speaker sound, so I actually wanna preserve a bit of that… not that I could really get rid of it. There's quite a nice venue ambiance, especially when there is more space in the arrangements, like during the Mind Left Body Jam.

    The vocal drop-outs others have mentioned were not audible to the audience.

  • #1280
    daverock
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    That is a great show. According to the cd notes it was recorded, along with shows in late January and the Feb-March shows, for possible inclusion on Live Dead. It probably won't happen - the song lists are obviously very similar, but it would make a great box set to release all the shows recorded.
    The shows from 1967-1971 inclusive are the main ones for me in 30 Trips.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 11:14

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The YouTube video is mildly entertaining. A Canadian once told me he lived in northeastern Alberta. I asked him what it was like and he said it’s boreal forest (stunted trees) ,just like the word sounds, boring .

Oh yeah... it seems a bit twisted. So that instantly gets my attention.

Whad'ya say JIMINMD?

Boooreal Ridge adventure trip = it might be better than that crappy warehouse job

Was it 5/19/77 at the Fox?

Listened to that awesome show last week. Loved the bonus tracks from the fall of 77. Always thought that was a cool idea.

What is on tap for today? Would like to see more official releases as Bolo I believe originally intended.

Peace folks.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:03

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What about 3/24/90?

3/24/90 - Dozin’ At The Knick (13 songs) & Spring 1990 Box (6 songs) & Postcards Of The Hangin’ (1 song) & Without A Net (1 song OMSN)

It's spread over a few releases which makes me curious to check it out again as it's definitely been awhile.

RE: DEADVIKES - Yep, yesterday BOBT picked 5/19/77.. awesome show for sure.

One of the Best from '77?

Worked my way through it late yesterday, Wow!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:42

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Mind Meld Left Body Jam

Spring '90 here we come!

Who woulda thought that 30 years later.. Oh, let's not go there...

Sherman, set the WABAC machine for 3/24/90 the Knickerbocker Arena in Albany, NY.
We've got some music to listen to!

… isn't that across the Whitestone or Triborough Bridge?

Nice Dave Bromberg vid. Made me check my Bromberg, I'm light in that guy, couple of shows and only an album or two. Guess I need to get more.

While Bromberging, saw Mean Mary on the right side of youtube. I like her a lot. Any Mean Mary fans out there?

Be kind, mention less new music, I can't afford no more!!!

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 08:22

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Recent talk of headphoning.

Certain albums have ALWAYS shined through the phones.

Great headphone album I've been melting my ears with the past week. (over, over and over some more)
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine. What an angry album, angry and sad. Has stood up well for me since it's release. If you can skate as fast as "Sin" you're doing great. 120 on a crouch rocket with this song, wow!

Ok, two more headphone albums I love. Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band & Operation Mindcrime.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 08:30

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LTGTR > Help On The Way (Transition was tight) > Slipknot! (Short & Sweet) > Franklin's (These Multi-Tracks be sounding GOOD!)

I'm a likin' this already :)

For those who wanna play it through in order, here's what you need -
Set 1:
Majority - Spring 1990 Box (2012) - Disc 12 - Bonus tracks from March 24, 1990, Albany
Walkin' Blues - Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 1
Desolation Row - Postcards Of The Hanging (2002)
OMSN - Without A Net (1990)

Set 2
Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 2 & 3

Enjoy!

PS - Do peeps play this stuff off disc? Just curious how you peeps be doin' it, yo

Tight, I figured every body has their own work around.

I was curious how people do.

I add all audio files to my music player and control the spaceship from there.

CDs are def not my preferred medium for this here music.

Believe we had ventured to the lower seats behind the stage. Can’t remember why? Probably to meet folks and fire up during D/S, so most everyone thought the usual meh, here cones D/S etc, but no....they start going into this jam and it sounds like something??? But none of us knew exactly. Anyway, it was pretty special especially from that different perspective of being behind the band but close, and at the same time you can look out at the crowd and all that energy. Sorta like the roadies view. Anyone who has ever spent much time on stage while a band is getting it on with the crowd knows what I’m talking about...
Anyway, those were great shows!

DENNIS: tell your wife I’m sorry for making you need more Bromberg LOL 😃
But come on, it’s Danger Man!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:11

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I ripped it all to the trusty ML 9600, edited as needed and burned a HC Disc then ripped it to the server. Or I could easily shuffle correct order via Album Player. I should check out that matrix for different perspective. First I’ll have to see if Dozin is how I remember: having extra ambient mics in the mix? I seem to recall I’ve always really liked the sound on that one because of the enhanced live feeling?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:18

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During the quarantine I have been mainly listening to CDs in my basement with the old school wired hifi suround sound system.

I also have a Sonos system linked to iTunes with a lot but not all of my CDs ripped.

It is hard to use these Sonos systems when the whole family is home working and going to school. Each speaker uses something like 5 Mbs of bandwidth.

I rip everything lossless, then listen from file. If I get around to today's pick.. and I might just be able to fit that in.. I will be re-arranging and re-ordering the songs from the best available sources. A giant pain in the ass if you ask me.

When I first set up the house I live in after the move.. I put all the CDs, etc. in the office and when working at night I would play right from the CDs.. for quite some time. ..but I got tired of staying in my office for ungodly hours each day, and my work now seems to involve less data crunching, analysis, etc. so I am not quite as trapped to my office and get to escape. I have almost freed myself from swapping discs.

rip em once, play em plenty.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:49

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Nice! It's cool to hear the different set ups people are using.

OROBOROUS - That Alesis ML 9600 sounds pretty dope!

DEADVIKES - CDs in the basement are cool too, specially with some nice speakers.

JIMINMD - Agree, I like to have my music where ever I go these days, but definitely started grounded with CDs.

I back up my CD masters, then add to music player, in this case iTunes and organize from there.

If I need to retrack or splice it up I'll take the master file into Adobe Audition and work with it there.

ML 9600 peaks my interest for sure.. looks like it's discontinued though.

As a Tape Kid, When I got back into collecting in 2010, I definitely had no idea what I was doing.
Which has become apparent when I re-listen to some of these old picks and what not.
This Pick Of The Day trip has been great for finding out what I was doing 10 years ago in regards to collecting.

It's been educational for sure, and apparently we just never stop learning.

Dozin' definitely appears to have some extra ambient noise mixed in verse the Multi-Track recording from Spring '90.

Pretty stoked GDR released these bonus tracks.

Walkin' Blues made me miss Brent-Ski and this Loser is SICK!

Stoked on this show so far.

PS - All Audio geek info is highly encouraged, Best Methods etc... Might need to be a new thread ;)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:50

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Deadvikes: if at all possible, hard wiring your Sonos network will improve both it as well as free up valuable WiFi! EDIT: professional tip of the day: always hard wire your net stuff unless you can’t!
Depending on how old your house is and what they used to wire for phones, you may be able to cobble together enough wire to do this. Often they’ll use cat 5 for phone outlets, so anyone who has cat five, even if only one per location, can do this. The only tricky part is terminating some RJ 45s, but you can source tools and supplies online or even at many big box stores, and of course you can learn how to do most things on line these days.
NOTE: as long as you don’t need any conductors for landline...I’m assuming most folks don’t use landlines anymore....

EDIT: GOGD, normal methodology is rip immediately to Server, carefully put disc back in case, put case on shelf as future backup.....unless the discs fall apart in ten years 😉 Occasionally, I’ll make a hard copy of combined or reordered stuff like 3/24 on the ML, or a road or mix copy, but I never play the source discs. Funny though back in the day before all this highfalutin’ tech, I did play Dicks etc in the car, but have never had a disc go bad.
....ok, I can hear Dennis now...”what’s that about playing with Dick in your car” yuck, yuck...

Yeah, this show is ringing my bell today.

Totally fell off my radar.

Sounds super good and the playing is tight.

Really solid Set 1.

OROBOROUS - Nice 3/24/90 Story.. And DAMN, you saw a lot of shows!
Would love to swap Hampton '87 stories sometime, those were my favorite shows that I got to attend.
The energy in that place for those shows was just Awesome!
Also down to hear more about your server & music set up at some point.

But till then, stoked thinking about wandering around the Knick while this here music plays.. cause this sounds killer.

PITB is dreamy

EDIT: OROBOROUS - Haven't heard from Dennis yet... but that's funny.
Thanks for the haps on the craps, yeah I rip 'em and run. I'm interested in that ML-9600 and server set up. Got everything on an External Drive currently but am thinking I could use a better set up. I might bug you about this some more down the road if that's cool. In the meantime, thanks for the tips and that joke. Hahaha!

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Submitted by pkpotter on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:15

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Love DP 18. Madison Wi. And The Wheel, and fond memory of an old friend telling me his story about hanging with Jerry at the Madison Holiday Inn...

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:55

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For those who care, spackling coming along fine.

ML-9600 - intrigued me enough to look also. Went to their web, yes, appears discontinued. I read their description and thought, "shit, that's gonna be a few bucks." Was shocked high price I saw (for ten seconds of looking) was 300 bucks. Still don't think I need one, but a lot cheaper than I had in mind. I was thinking 1-2k. Why I'm not on the price is right.

Home network/wi-fi/wired - two cents on this. My wi-fi sucked for a sundry of reasons. Found these thing by EERO, they replace your current wifi. I bought the 3 unit box. They talk to each other and can balance the load. Also learned about "switches" (I think that's the name). Stupid little cheap boxes that act almost like a usb hub. Run a cat 5 wire out of router, plug into this thing and bang you got 6 more holes you can plug cat 5 wire into. So one cat 5 wire into attic, into switch and then a cat 5 to each room. The switch I got runs off 5 volts. One of my cat 5 wires goes to eero box 2, other side of house in tv room. Box 1 is connected directly to router. Box 3 in other end of house, close enough to box 1 to run wi-fi between them, but communication between 1 & 2 are wired.

Got that?

I've always liked Dozin, my era I guess. I go with the crowd mike added in. But the recording I think is great. Used to listen to the disc a lot when first came out on good stereo. I need to splice the 2 "spaces" into 1 space, just because.

Playing Dick in car!?! I would never complain, I'm an Auto-Erotic. Owned a repair shop for years, fixed cars long time.

Back to spackle.

that’s where I am now, oh yeah!
Always loved LTGTR opener, usually a good sign and set a kind vibe..but did not expect a H/S/F after. Phil’s killin’ it on the intro to Help, and they nail the start, shit their nailing things like a damn carpenter all over this! Always loved that Loser! Nice OMSN end of set change up. Smooth spacey, but tight, Playin’, awesome jam and transition into UJB, then like a Swiss watch, Jers not messin’ around, head first into this smooth Terrapin etc, and of course that sweet jam. Moments like that were what kept me still going after all the years....And all this goodness even before a great 90 D/S midi fest, it’s a shame Lee eSdee and I weren’t hanging out at this time..
Wheel, Watchtower when it was fresh, Stella...oh Stella, sigh, Oh to be able to hear Jer live bring it all down, way down, like during a Stella or Dew one last time, to lay me down, sigh.
I probably felt like at the time like “shit, another NFA, had to wreak a near perfect show” lol, damn picky dead heads!..but it works, I mean what else to cap this awesome show, Dew? Well, ya knew they’d be saving that one...no, it probably had to be NFA, with the still fresh and always welcome (to this day) Bid You Goodnight!
Yeah, you had me roped in instantly on this one even though I just limped through the 30 year spring 90 thing back in March! Big thanks to the picker, Brillant Mate!

Yes, unfortunately out of production. Best gear I ever bought! List was around 2K, I got mine back around 02-93? Think I paid around 1200 at Full Compass, which used to kick ass, great prices and no secondssold as new like muscians friend...
Ive always been a gear geek. BITD no matter how poor i was, hell I often didn’t have a car, but from high school on I always had me at least a decent stereo. So I’ll talk gear or tell stories with all y’all anytime, but I fear there are many here among us who feel this is but a joke!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:13

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Oroborous, interesting information on Sonos. You have peaked my interest on hard wiring the speakers. Could you elaborate on that? I thought the whole point of Sonos was plug in anywhere, no wires, which my wife loves, and run it through WiFi?

Appreciate your expertise as I know this is your profession.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:33

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What's the origin story of that title?

I'm gonna blame that title for me always blowing off this release.. cause it's a bad ass show.
And it's not a snooze fest even if it's marketed as one!
(This is all tongue in cheek btw, keep up the good work Dead.net and see comments below about Fade In & Out Tracks if anyone who produces these great CDs read this stuff)

I thoroughly enjoyed all of that.

The Set 2 PITB > UJB > Terrapin > Mind Left Body > Drums is a spring '90 highlight!
Inventive, fresh, strong singing. Damn these people that release this stuff might be on to something:)
Space > Wheel > Watchtower real nice, usually tire of later Watchtowers, but this was played with some real gusto.
Stella Blue even caught my daughter's attention, she said "this one is really good Dad, did Jerry write this?"
But got pissed when I told her that NFA was a cover, she mentioned that should be a Dead song.
AWBYGN is always a treat and Jerry sounds like he's really enjoying delivering this one.

Far OUT!

I'm stoked that came up, thanks to DEADVIKES for keeping us on course with releases and Thanks to the GD for breaking that one up all into pieces so that I didn't really want to listen to it that much and could really enjoy it today!

RE: JIMINMD I agree that trying to patch up fade in & outs is a pain for real.
If the power's that be read this stuff a couple of separated Fade In & Fade Out tracks placed at the beginning and the end can easily be added to any CD to keep continuity and easily deleted by the consumer to create seamlessness for the hardcore freaks. Just saying.. that'd be great!

RE: OROBOROUS Tech talk rules and I appreciate the Gear info and hopefully we can continue this... but the hour is getting late, hey!

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Submitted by Jack Baller on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 14:14

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Given the album cover and Albany's proximity to the Catskill Mountains, "Dozin" is a reference to the Rip VanWinkle story. Deeply ingrained in those of us from Upstate NY!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 15:25

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Ah-ha! Now that makes sense.

Thanks JACK BALLER!
I now know with the help of your response and a quick google search that Rip Van Winkle is one of the Great Northern Catskills best-loved figureheads.
That makes so much sense, and the regional touch is really cool.

This came out in 1996 and I've always questioned the marketing angle as the first thing I thought of was why would they release this if they thought it was a snooze fest?

But lo!! It's quite a bit more clever than I.. and it's pretty keen.
(I didn't recognize ole Rip in the bushes and thought that was just some stoned hippie laying there;)

That clears up a lot and makes me like this release that much more.

DAVE ROCK: Dosin' at the Knick ain't bad either as I'm sure there was a lot of that too...

Well, you just can't beat that.
Good music and I learned a few things.

The Good Ole Grateful Dead strikes again!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 17:53

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Excellent advice Jimbo.

I listen to new CD arrivals to confirm that they are not defective, then make a disc image on a HD. I then type in the track names and make any necessary edits (removing those stupid overlap transitions between CD’s), and export the files as Sd2f. The Sd2f file is then used to make copies in various formats: AIFF, ALAC, FLAC, AAC-320 (each format on a separate HD).
The ALAC files go onto micro SDXC cards for my iBasso music players (DX80 and DX120), and into iTunes for my iPod 5 Classic which a few months ago I upgraded to 1 TB using an iFlash Quad.
The AAC-120 and FLAC files are for playing from USB drives in cars.
With the AIFF files I burn 2 copies to CD-R as backups (glad I started doing that now that the CD rot issue has been brought to our attention), and listen to one of the copies to confirm that the files on the HD are not corrupt.

I then make multiple HD backups

Where do I find the time?
I don’t play video games, I don’t go to movies, and I watch very little TV (no Netflix or other subscriptions). I do watch a lot of hockey but I can see and hear the TV from where my computers are, so I try to have the computers running and converting audio files/burning discs while watching hockey.

I do get to listen to a lot of GOGD.

Great choice, I was able to listen to I believe everything except Desolation Row. Still have my Dozin copy from 1996 and the first Spring 1990 opening tunes. Top shelf!

I will throw out another 90s release for tomorrow, 8/13/75, One From the Vault.
I have two copies of this, the original 1991 release and the remastered release from 2007. The upgrade is awesome.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 18:55

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...On behalf of the group"

Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:21

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Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:22

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in the queue...

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:42

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Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:48

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To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
- Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
- Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
- Research and get best Router you can
- Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

Nite all.

Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

Oroborous, appreciate the information.

Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 22:34

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Good stuff!

JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

Fun Discussions tonight all.

Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

Until then be well

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 01:49

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An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 03:27

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This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 05:57

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Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 07:39

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Sleigh Bells Ring, are you listening?

I can still remember how excited I was when they announced One From The Vault

When I got the 2 CD set (which is next to me and has very small print that I can barely read now, but no "Disc Rot";) and listened to the music contained within it was a revelation:

This show is amazing! And it's complete and sounds incredible! This is how it could be! This could change everything! I could get all the shows sounding like this! They might release like a show a month or something! It's going to be off the hook! How will I afford it all?!?!

1991 the flood gates opened
with a trickle..

pretty cool

PS -
The Sleigh Bells in Slipknot!
The Harmonies in The Music Never Stopped..
Oh Boy!
I love this show:)

Be Well All, got some Fun Listening to do today.

What a First Set!!

Can only imagine what it was like to see this band back then, literally :)

That's gotta be up there with greatest ever Set 1.. if there is such a thing
EDIT: Forgot 3/2/69 in my excitement.. so never mind the "greatest ever" language, Great Set 1!

Dammit Jim, now my secret is out....part of why they put me in that dog getup, easier to contain!

VAULT 1: what GOGD said “Thanks UA & Rackow: yeah, I member all the excitement when the first stuff started trickling out, and the quality, Oy! Funny now how we critique many of the earlier generation releases now, but back then it was like gettin some when you were young!

DEADVIKES: if you have the wire in your house, id try just hardwiring stuff and adding a net switch. That shouldn’t cost you that much and it should help. Later you can always upgrade the other components if you want, but hardwiring stuff will help with any application. (To see what wire you have find your phone distribution point. There should be a at least one wire per room. If there is several of the same type, it should be marked on the side. If it’s cat 5 or better your good to go.

Ok, now time to fire up 8/13/75!