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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #6671
    DeadVikes
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    Good to see you back in the loop. Hope all is well. New system is always exciting.
    I am willing to give Dave's 31 another try. Haven't listened to it since last year.

    Took out Good old Dave's 25, the BINGHAMTON NY 77 show. Some of these shows keep getting better with each listen.
    Oroborous, you are a wild man. What a ride!

    Be well folks. I have heard rumblings in other pages about big announcements coming. Don't know about that but we do know Dave's 35 will be announced in July. Maybe they will give Oroborous an 85 pick?

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    6.28.85 Hershey Park....

    ....another one of my first tapes. Bird Song-> Comes A Time -> Deal. A rare Garcia trifecta to end the first. Music Never Stopped-> Tom Thumbs to open the second. How do you guys keep bringing up my first loves? And why does this band keep following me?
    Here's kind of a story. I tripped balls listening to this tape in 1989. That's all I got.

  • #6673
    wilfredtjones
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    You know it's on Dave's radar as he has played some of it on 30 Days in past years. Good show and one of my first tapes. Keep the stories coming! :-)

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    So after basically staying up for 2 days at SPAC, we finally pack it up and hit the road the next day. I believe it was a rainy, gloomy day most of the day. But that didn’t stop our idiot patrol from basically racIng at high speed through the fine but conservative state of Pennsytuckey, where they were one of the last to let go of the 55 mph laws, and back then there usually wasn’t much tolerance. So 2 cars of totally raging nutknicks, with probably enough cargo to keep us detained for decades, thought it’d be a good idea to race at speeds up to 90!, Idiots!.....yes, one car had a radar detector, but in those days smart cops would wait for some nut traveling high speed and click it on when they had ya dead nuts.
    Luckily, all was well and it was one more “miracle” as we earnestly pursued our quest for “too much of everything is just enough”, aaaa, never considered back then maybe Bob was being sarcastic? Lol
    So we roll on into Chocolate town late and all beat up. I’m guessing we grabbed some kind of drive through, but not sure and as we were hardcore vegetarian then, perhaps we thought we’d grab something there? It’s all such a blur, I do recall the lot we were in had no or little Shakedown action going on. That still wasn’t in full flight anyway, and don’t recall much there, so maybe we drank our supper? I know I scored some Carlsberg Elephant beer, and believe I may have finished it, though that is a tall order even under good conditions so perhaps not. I’m sure I put in dent in it at least! So, that and the last of one z of veggies, though the tricky part was it was mostly just powder and scraps and so no normal produce to properly gage etc, which would turn out to be a tactical error...
    So it’s late, we’re tired, but tweaked, perhaps no dinner, and of course it’s horrible out. Dark, rainy, and cold is usually not how you want to do your Dead. Eventually we get in perfect time, slip right in front of the SB and try to make the best of the situation. Well I had a shirt, a black baseball jacket, and the electric Buffalo Hyde, but even still it was damp and cold at first. Eventually, when things started to take hold and we started boogieing, we began to warm up a bit.
    Meanwhile, the set list is awesome, but the conditions, which necessitated all the stage and PA speakers being covered in plastic (there was no stage lid) thereby severely effecting the audio. It’s was such a weird show that way, loved the little “stadium” and the nice audiophile stereo set up, with surrounds, great set list, mostly good playing, yes JGs vocals are a little ruff in the first set, but you have to cut some slack as it was terrible, I mean depending on the wind/rain they were getting rained on playing electrical instruments! Weird indeed, but like so many times in adverse conditions our heroes seemed to rise to the challenge. Thus the playing was perhaps more relaxed, steady and together and not forced like the previous night. Really, besides JGs vocal issues in the first, its a top notch show!
    The second set really starts to take it higher with stellar versions of Music Never Stopped, Terrapin, Miracle and one of the best Dews I’ve ever seen! I think I saw about 14 or 15 Dews and when I think about Dews I’ve seen, this one is the one I always think of first! Rocking Stones/NFA with a spirited Day Job. I liked Day Job, but by now it was getting a tad old, and was a disappointment for this show considering how high it was at that point. A She Belongs or Baby Blue would of been a perfect Cherry on top, but perhaps that’s being greedy?
    Now since the weather was such a factor, we must discuss that and how it influenced this show. The second set starts out with their “signing in the rain” as Bob says, and it’s a good’n! Next they slowly slid into an unusual sounding Tom Thumbs which I had never heard yet, and wasn’t even sure at first what it was, but hey, it was Phil so that’s all I needed to know! Good but perhaps truncated Estimated, followed by an awesome Terrapin. So as the set started to progress, so did the weather until (I think?) around Estimated it really started to clear up and they started pulling the plastic tarps down. It was almost like you could immediately hear it get better after each one was removed. Eventually by about Terrapin, they tarps we’re gone, the moon and stars were out, and Healy started increasing the volume and tweaking the mix. I remember we were goading him to turn it up, and man eventually he sure did!
    As the night wore on it began to warm up a bit too. But as you’ve heard this scenario, or been there yourself, many times I didn’t feel quite high enough so what the hell, one more time with the powder veggie crumbles just before drums......hee-hee....you know, “I’m not feeling it?” and then...Dooah!
    So the problem with those baseball jackets is they don’t really breath and the electric Buffalo Hyde was thick plastic. We didn’t have all the nice technical outer gear we have now, or at least WE didn’t. I could barely afford the free plastic one from the old mans work.
    Well a perfect storm mounted; little or no food, Elephants, veggies etc, no sleep, excess everything and underlying exhaustion, with me starting to overheat due to the above and dancing with that plastic shell on. Things were going unbelievable well, and partly influenced by the very recent passing of my Grandfather, during Dew, things peaked musically, the sound, the night, the stars, emotionally etc etc until I had one of the most powerful musical/emotional/psychedelic peak experiences of my life. Perhaps my all time GD moment, it was that powerful. But what goes up must come down and just like that the radiator blew and that last handful of shroom dust fully kicked in and somewhere in Throwing Stones, right during ashes, ashes all fall down, well.....I say i didn’t really fall down, it was more like an immediate realization that if I don’t sit down rapidly, I’m going down! LOL, so one way or another, depending on who you believe, I end up down in the soft, cool mud until near the end of the song, but I swear just as I tried to get up I knew it wasn’t going to happen, so right on que again I go back down. My friends to this day always bring up my perfectly coreographed “Dance moves” above all else that happened on this tour..35 years later and it’s still “ashes, ashes, Pedro falls down” !
    That would of all been well and good except things were very strange and weren’t wearing off, and I was barely functioning. I never would of found the car etc If not for my homies. Honestly all I remember is them pulling into a Wendy’s or something, but I just sat in the car with my face literally stuck to the window and crackled! Zzzzttttt. I really thought I had finally fried some essential circuits and thought this time I really did it. At some point I snapped out enough to find some kids in another car staring at me with a look of concern if not fear. Luckily, the boys finished up and came out and got us outta there. Somewhere near the state line we finally grabbed a motel as we all had had more than enough rain and adversity. Plus the next day was off and the drive short. I remember they propped me up in bed and I just sat and crackled and worried. Eventually I slept and though I felt better the next day, I didn’t feel normal and don’t recall much except when we got to Merriweather and found a good spot just over the creek, right next to the path, in some trees, on the way to the big parking lots to the right of the venue. But now it was nice and I was feeling more normal so not so freaked out. I also remember going to a nearby sorta plaza with an upscale liquor store where I scored my first sixer of EKU 28 ever which was awesome!
    So now we’ve moved beyond the insanity of TOGA, the adversity and majesty of Hershey, and ready for perhaps the best overall show of the tour on 6/30/85....

    EDIT: Otis, congrats on the stereo. All that matters is if your happy with it. After all the specs and hyperbole etc, no matter how big, small, expensive etc, in the end, that’s all that counts!

  • #6675
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    Nice rec for the TDIGDH 6/28/76 show! I'd never heard that one before, and it is pretty sweet. The "Happiness is Drumming" is certainly a highlight!

    I have been out of the loop for a bit - trying to deal with some personal stuff on my end, and I just kind of lost track of things around these parts. I hope to be able to participate more going forward.

    To that end, how about a pick for tomorrow, Monday 6/29? I am thinking Dave's 31 - 12/3/79 Uptown. I feel like this pick got a short shrift on the DaP page, but I remember being very happy with it, though I haven't given it a proper listen since it first came out. What do you all think?

    One positive thing that I have accomplished since I've been away has been the set up of my first component stereo system. I don't know if it compares to all of your "big boy" systems, but it certainly feels BIG in my little row home! Looking forward to playing it LOUD tomorrow when the wife goes to work.

    Peace

  • #6676
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    Voodoo senile, slight return. 6/27/85, and why 85 Dead is like

    Bode Miller...

    First, GOGD, I did not mean to single you out, over generalizations, which become stereotypes, which become truth etc, really bum me out. So it was more of a trigger to that, not you personally. I know you were just repeating this line.
    Actually, as I’ve dug in deeper, there are probably a significant number of shows where he often doesn’t sound so good, but to over generalize that “his voice was shot”, as in never more, to me, imho, that completely devalues and discounts all the amazing, great sounding stuff he was still able to do. 87,88,89,90,91anyone? Micro view versus macro perhaps?

    SECOND: I must humbly recant my tale of dancin in the rain. As we were diligently experiencing TOGA last night. Too things became apparent. First, perhaps JG was a tad “caffeinated” at the start of both sets. Listening close on a real system, (not the big boy, but the living room system which ain’t no slouch!), he seems a tad to fast and/or their not fully entrained. One could argue not fully so until Women Are?...so probably something to do with him totally skipping the Key Rain Storm, and Jailhouse versus, of Bertha, lol.
    Thus, while I wasn’t deceitful, I was not accurate. Sure enough, when Holmes and Watson ripped a spleef and fired up Bertha from SPAC 6/24/84, and bingo, ding, ding, ding, ding! Right venue, wrong year! 😂 Ooops, my apologies to the dear reader...but hey, it’s a fun interesting new tid bit, and it did rain, I think, lol.
    While doing this research I was listening just on the iPad and interestingly he doesn’t sound as bad? Also, I’ve been going with the HS matrixes, especially shows where I want to hear those crowd big moments. Generally they’ve been pretty good, but researching, I used a CM transfer and man, definitely a big difference. Perhaps number one being the speed/time of the Miller seemed better and more natural?
    Subjective I know, just that it’s interesting how every variable can effect perceptions.
    6/27/85: so this beast is still as much of a rocket sled ride as I’ve thought, but it’s perhaps a tad more unpolished then I would of said in the past. But that’s being picky, and you know I prefer danger dead to safe, so as at this moment, Hell in a bucket is scorching, I stick by this show for that, the cool set list, and the fact that eventually, say around Women Are on out, that part of the show stands with its lofty summer 85 neighbors. Probably have to give 6/24& perhaps 6/25? a slight advantage overall, but man I haven’t been to many shows that had the vibe, fun, and overall madness of this puppy.

    So why is 85 Dead like Bode Miller? He often was criticized for his erratic style, or lack thereof, his nonconformity, often disregard for the rules, including parting then basically going 80 MPH down an insane pitch, that was usually hosed down to make it more icy, and thus faster! So just like this era of Dead, sometimes he’d DQ, sometimes he’d slack off, sometimes it was ugly, but when he brought it, that mofo brought it!! and when he was able to be one with the force, it was fucking breathtaking! Scary, but breathtaking. No matter what, if he was racing there was an energy, an excitement, that larger than life vibe......that, to me, is 85 Dead.
    FINALLY: Ladies and Germs, May I present the Electric Buffalo Hyde! as christened by my degenerate cohort due to my resemblance of the great beast of the prairies back in the day, and this baby used to be so bright people would ask if there were batteries. But Alas, like youth itself it’s faded dramatically, and is old and bartered. It definitely gave it’s all to R&R. So many Dead shows, festivals, camping, parties, you name it! Also, it will be a part of an unfortunate situation at the next night, where I lost my shit in Hershey! So until then....

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    bob t
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    If you are too busy to listen to whole show, listen to Happiness is Drumming from set II, if you have never heard or listened to listen you will be pleasantly surprised!!! There is a Charlie Miller soundboard on Internet Archive!!!! bob t

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    Sounds like the ole SPAC '85 show will get some play today.

    Always a fun revisit. Vguy & Keithfan that was you guys?! That's funny.

    I guess I always thought this was an indoor show because of the balcony stuff and didn't know about the rain storm.

    Tell us more.

    And just for the record if I happen to say Jerry's voice is shot, what I mean to say is I love Jerry's voice, even though it's a little shot here. ;)

    I agree, it always sounds great to me.

    Enjoy party people!

  • #6679
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    We were out on the lawn so actually there were many drops, I mean it was already raining hard, and right when he sang that line, biblical!, but it just added to the madness and was one of my favorite concert/rain moments ever! I believe that’s right when folks crashed security on those balcony ramp ways and turned it into a free for all? Yeah, that was the shit, such energy all around, but that rain just took it to another level. Luckily I had my electric buffalo Hyde on! .....it was a psychedelic neon yellow long rain coat with
    BS CORP
    WORK SAFELY (from pops work) printed on back, and a Dancin skeleton sticker underneath that I added. Still have it! I should take a pic and post...fond it moving last year.

  • #6680
    Oroborous
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    Summer 85, and why I’m not prepared for class

    Deadheadbrewer: yeah, I’m with you, I can’t keep up with these rascals! Pant-pant 😉
    Haven’t done Riverbend, Nassau or Dane. Prolly give Nassau a spin this WE. Dane I’ve tried to stay away from cause ya gotta believe their going to give us that one someday! Bastards better! and I’d prefer it on virginal ears!
    hey, by the way, how you guys coming on that tunnel under the vault?
    So I listen to Riverbend 6/24/85 sort regularly so no biggie there except in the sense of comparing shows. Except It’s cool to go in order to see the subtle changes and how things progress. Like 6/25/85, definitely have felt a ascending arc since the first night in Alpine. Funny thing is I don’t think I’ve heard the second set of this one before? Had a tape of the first all along, but I think it was a tad too crisp so didn’t get as much love as the shows around it. Plus I think maybe I harbored some subliminal resentment for the show because of our decision to skip it to go to Toga early like we did in 84, which was awesome. Obviously if it made us skip a show that close to home, but Doooaahhh. So not sure how it’s the shows fault. LOL, but I think somehow I’ve had some weird thing about this show that has kept me away? Sorry, ramblings of a deranged lunatic!
    Anywho, finally gave this bad boy a spin yesterday, though had to do it in 2 sessions as life just keeps buttin’ in like a 3 year old when mom and dad are trying to get down! Man what a show. The only really noticeable hiccup I recall was JG at the start of Jimmy, and Bob missed a vocal, really a great set, better than I remember, though I always liked it, just the tape was lesser then the others...
    Second set was hot too, though perhaps they lost just a little near the end? Or maybe that was me as it was late, and by that time on a Friday this ole cowboy is usually not feeling much pain! I recall a couple little blemishes, but so what, you name any show, anyone, and I can find stuff wrong. And sorry, but I’m kinda over hearing about how terrible JGs voice is. Yes, sometimes it’s ruff, but sometimes I think the gravelly age worn voice ADDs to the affect of the songs, which is perhaps what he did best. And frankly, I’ll take the gravel voice singing in tune over a lot of that 1970 stuff we’re between the guitars and the vocals something is ALWAYS out of tune. That’s torturous for a musician.
    Now I’m not trying to diss anyone’s favorite Dead etc, just stating an opinion that people perhaps overdo it with the voice comments. My favorite is when people say “I can’t listen to anything after 77”....ok, we’ll that’s cool as it’s your choice and all, but I’d say really you just have made up your mind you don’t want to like anything after that, and you probably haven’t heard enough and with the right kind of ears. Seriously, I challenge anyone to pick a “perfect” “best of “ show and if I have time I will find the cracks!
    But that’s missing the point which is ITS ALL GOOD! and every era has something positive that the others don’t have. It’s all ways been yin yang folks, there is no such thing as a perfect show, except in our minds eye, which is quite A ok.
    Ok, rant over, I’m obviously biased about my beloved 85!
    Which brings us back to TOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAA!! Yo Butch, back in your seat, there’s 50 thousand people waiting for you to get back in your seat! Madness, the whole scene there was just surreal fucking madness, but in a good way.
    I’m actually going to try and call my old house/band mates at the time as we all went. 2 I think went to blossom, and Pittsburgh. That one too, like WTF basically could of stopped by on the ride home from Merriweather, idiots! Lol, actually, I’m not sure I could have done another show. I may have caused permanent damage at Hershey, and thank god for that day off that I can’t recall much about, and I did take it a tad easier after, but not much. We ate so many veggies on that run that nobody would believe it. But I know what I came with and what was left after so.....looking back, it’s all kinda scary, we’re lucky we never had any real casualties of any sort. Few close calls, but nothing major, phewwww.
    So going to call the lads, and fire up Toga tonight as We have to do a Zoom wedding this afternoon. We were supposed to be out at the Promised land for said wedding and a actual vacation, first since Seattle in ?? 2012!
    Think Homer Simpson “oohhhh, Ssstttooooopid Covid”
    Speaking of living via the net, was that not a fine show on Shakedown last night! Didn’t have the fire like the night before, but a fine well played outing, thanks so much to Dave and Co. for giving us this nice diversion. It’s getting to b3 a regular weekly thing, and gasp, the Mrs has actually been joining me and digging it! .....as long as I give her a good foot massage (usually during drums). She really digs the trippy graphics and colors which is even funnier as she’s never partaken except booze back in da day, it’s like giving a kid castor oil just getting her to have a beer, lol. So yeah, this Friday thing has been like the “ONE” in our music! Right on! and please keep em coming!
    Ok, gotta try and call the guys and reminisce before the wedding. Then.....drum rolls please..........TOOooooGa!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 11:14

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The YouTube video is mildly entertaining. A Canadian once told me he lived in northeastern Alberta. I asked him what it was like and he said it’s boreal forest (stunted trees) ,just like the word sounds, boring .

Oh yeah... it seems a bit twisted. So that instantly gets my attention.

Whad'ya say JIMINMD?

Boooreal Ridge adventure trip = it might be better than that crappy warehouse job

Was it 5/19/77 at the Fox?

Listened to that awesome show last week. Loved the bonus tracks from the fall of 77. Always thought that was a cool idea.

What is on tap for today? Would like to see more official releases as Bolo I believe originally intended.

Peace folks.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:03

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What about 3/24/90?

3/24/90 - Dozin’ At The Knick (13 songs) & Spring 1990 Box (6 songs) & Postcards Of The Hangin’ (1 song) & Without A Net (1 song OMSN)

It's spread over a few releases which makes me curious to check it out again as it's definitely been awhile.

RE: DEADVIKES - Yep, yesterday BOBT picked 5/19/77.. awesome show for sure.

One of the Best from '77?

Worked my way through it late yesterday, Wow!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:42

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Mind Meld Left Body Jam

Spring '90 here we come!

Who woulda thought that 30 years later.. Oh, let's not go there...

Sherman, set the WABAC machine for 3/24/90 the Knickerbocker Arena in Albany, NY.
We've got some music to listen to!

… isn't that across the Whitestone or Triborough Bridge?

Nice Dave Bromberg vid. Made me check my Bromberg, I'm light in that guy, couple of shows and only an album or two. Guess I need to get more.

While Bromberging, saw Mean Mary on the right side of youtube. I like her a lot. Any Mean Mary fans out there?

Be kind, mention less new music, I can't afford no more!!!

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 08:22

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Recent talk of headphoning.

Certain albums have ALWAYS shined through the phones.

Great headphone album I've been melting my ears with the past week. (over, over and over some more)
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine. What an angry album, angry and sad. Has stood up well for me since it's release. If you can skate as fast as "Sin" you're doing great. 120 on a crouch rocket with this song, wow!

Ok, two more headphone albums I love. Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band & Operation Mindcrime.

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LTGTR > Help On The Way (Transition was tight) > Slipknot! (Short & Sweet) > Franklin's (These Multi-Tracks be sounding GOOD!)

I'm a likin' this already :)

For those who wanna play it through in order, here's what you need -
Set 1:
Majority - Spring 1990 Box (2012) - Disc 12 - Bonus tracks from March 24, 1990, Albany
Walkin' Blues - Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 1
Desolation Row - Postcards Of The Hanging (2002)
OMSN - Without A Net (1990)

Set 2
Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 2 & 3

Enjoy!

PS - Do peeps play this stuff off disc? Just curious how you peeps be doin' it, yo

Tight, I figured every body has their own work around.

I was curious how people do.

I add all audio files to my music player and control the spaceship from there.

CDs are def not my preferred medium for this here music.

Believe we had ventured to the lower seats behind the stage. Can’t remember why? Probably to meet folks and fire up during D/S, so most everyone thought the usual meh, here cones D/S etc, but no....they start going into this jam and it sounds like something??? But none of us knew exactly. Anyway, it was pretty special especially from that different perspective of being behind the band but close, and at the same time you can look out at the crowd and all that energy. Sorta like the roadies view. Anyone who has ever spent much time on stage while a band is getting it on with the crowd knows what I’m talking about...
Anyway, those were great shows!

DENNIS: tell your wife I’m sorry for making you need more Bromberg LOL 😃
But come on, it’s Danger Man!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:11

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I ripped it all to the trusty ML 9600, edited as needed and burned a HC Disc then ripped it to the server. Or I could easily shuffle correct order via Album Player. I should check out that matrix for different perspective. First I’ll have to see if Dozin is how I remember: having extra ambient mics in the mix? I seem to recall I’ve always really liked the sound on that one because of the enhanced live feeling?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:18

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During the quarantine I have been mainly listening to CDs in my basement with the old school wired hifi suround sound system.

I also have a Sonos system linked to iTunes with a lot but not all of my CDs ripped.

It is hard to use these Sonos systems when the whole family is home working and going to school. Each speaker uses something like 5 Mbs of bandwidth.

I rip everything lossless, then listen from file. If I get around to today's pick.. and I might just be able to fit that in.. I will be re-arranging and re-ordering the songs from the best available sources. A giant pain in the ass if you ask me.

When I first set up the house I live in after the move.. I put all the CDs, etc. in the office and when working at night I would play right from the CDs.. for quite some time. ..but I got tired of staying in my office for ungodly hours each day, and my work now seems to involve less data crunching, analysis, etc. so I am not quite as trapped to my office and get to escape. I have almost freed myself from swapping discs.

rip em once, play em plenty.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:49

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Nice! It's cool to hear the different set ups people are using.

OROBOROUS - That Alesis ML 9600 sounds pretty dope!

DEADVIKES - CDs in the basement are cool too, specially with some nice speakers.

JIMINMD - Agree, I like to have my music where ever I go these days, but definitely started grounded with CDs.

I back up my CD masters, then add to music player, in this case iTunes and organize from there.

If I need to retrack or splice it up I'll take the master file into Adobe Audition and work with it there.

ML 9600 peaks my interest for sure.. looks like it's discontinued though.

As a Tape Kid, When I got back into collecting in 2010, I definitely had no idea what I was doing.
Which has become apparent when I re-listen to some of these old picks and what not.
This Pick Of The Day trip has been great for finding out what I was doing 10 years ago in regards to collecting.

It's been educational for sure, and apparently we just never stop learning.

Dozin' definitely appears to have some extra ambient noise mixed in verse the Multi-Track recording from Spring '90.

Pretty stoked GDR released these bonus tracks.

Walkin' Blues made me miss Brent-Ski and this Loser is SICK!

Stoked on this show so far.

PS - All Audio geek info is highly encouraged, Best Methods etc... Might need to be a new thread ;)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:50

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Deadvikes: if at all possible, hard wiring your Sonos network will improve both it as well as free up valuable WiFi! EDIT: professional tip of the day: always hard wire your net stuff unless you can’t!
Depending on how old your house is and what they used to wire for phones, you may be able to cobble together enough wire to do this. Often they’ll use cat 5 for phone outlets, so anyone who has cat five, even if only one per location, can do this. The only tricky part is terminating some RJ 45s, but you can source tools and supplies online or even at many big box stores, and of course you can learn how to do most things on line these days.
NOTE: as long as you don’t need any conductors for landline...I’m assuming most folks don’t use landlines anymore....

EDIT: GOGD, normal methodology is rip immediately to Server, carefully put disc back in case, put case on shelf as future backup.....unless the discs fall apart in ten years 😉 Occasionally, I’ll make a hard copy of combined or reordered stuff like 3/24 on the ML, or a road or mix copy, but I never play the source discs. Funny though back in the day before all this highfalutin’ tech, I did play Dicks etc in the car, but have never had a disc go bad.
....ok, I can hear Dennis now...”what’s that about playing with Dick in your car” yuck, yuck...

Yeah, this show is ringing my bell today.

Totally fell off my radar.

Sounds super good and the playing is tight.

Really solid Set 1.

OROBOROUS - Nice 3/24/90 Story.. And DAMN, you saw a lot of shows!
Would love to swap Hampton '87 stories sometime, those were my favorite shows that I got to attend.
The energy in that place for those shows was just Awesome!
Also down to hear more about your server & music set up at some point.

But till then, stoked thinking about wandering around the Knick while this here music plays.. cause this sounds killer.

PITB is dreamy

EDIT: OROBOROUS - Haven't heard from Dennis yet... but that's funny.
Thanks for the haps on the craps, yeah I rip 'em and run. I'm interested in that ML-9600 and server set up. Got everything on an External Drive currently but am thinking I could use a better set up. I might bug you about this some more down the road if that's cool. In the meantime, thanks for the tips and that joke. Hahaha!

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Submitted by pkpotter on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:15

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Love DP 18. Madison Wi. And The Wheel, and fond memory of an old friend telling me his story about hanging with Jerry at the Madison Holiday Inn...

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:55

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For those who care, spackling coming along fine.

ML-9600 - intrigued me enough to look also. Went to their web, yes, appears discontinued. I read their description and thought, "shit, that's gonna be a few bucks." Was shocked high price I saw (for ten seconds of looking) was 300 bucks. Still don't think I need one, but a lot cheaper than I had in mind. I was thinking 1-2k. Why I'm not on the price is right.

Home network/wi-fi/wired - two cents on this. My wi-fi sucked for a sundry of reasons. Found these thing by EERO, they replace your current wifi. I bought the 3 unit box. They talk to each other and can balance the load. Also learned about "switches" (I think that's the name). Stupid little cheap boxes that act almost like a usb hub. Run a cat 5 wire out of router, plug into this thing and bang you got 6 more holes you can plug cat 5 wire into. So one cat 5 wire into attic, into switch and then a cat 5 to each room. The switch I got runs off 5 volts. One of my cat 5 wires goes to eero box 2, other side of house in tv room. Box 1 is connected directly to router. Box 3 in other end of house, close enough to box 1 to run wi-fi between them, but communication between 1 & 2 are wired.

Got that?

I've always liked Dozin, my era I guess. I go with the crowd mike added in. But the recording I think is great. Used to listen to the disc a lot when first came out on good stereo. I need to splice the 2 "spaces" into 1 space, just because.

Playing Dick in car!?! I would never complain, I'm an Auto-Erotic. Owned a repair shop for years, fixed cars long time.

Back to spackle.

that’s where I am now, oh yeah!
Always loved LTGTR opener, usually a good sign and set a kind vibe..but did not expect a H/S/F after. Phil’s killin’ it on the intro to Help, and they nail the start, shit their nailing things like a damn carpenter all over this! Always loved that Loser! Nice OMSN end of set change up. Smooth spacey, but tight, Playin’, awesome jam and transition into UJB, then like a Swiss watch, Jers not messin’ around, head first into this smooth Terrapin etc, and of course that sweet jam. Moments like that were what kept me still going after all the years....And all this goodness even before a great 90 D/S midi fest, it’s a shame Lee eSdee and I weren’t hanging out at this time..
Wheel, Watchtower when it was fresh, Stella...oh Stella, sigh, Oh to be able to hear Jer live bring it all down, way down, like during a Stella or Dew one last time, to lay me down, sigh.
I probably felt like at the time like “shit, another NFA, had to wreak a near perfect show” lol, damn picky dead heads!..but it works, I mean what else to cap this awesome show, Dew? Well, ya knew they’d be saving that one...no, it probably had to be NFA, with the still fresh and always welcome (to this day) Bid You Goodnight!
Yeah, you had me roped in instantly on this one even though I just limped through the 30 year spring 90 thing back in March! Big thanks to the picker, Brillant Mate!

Yes, unfortunately out of production. Best gear I ever bought! List was around 2K, I got mine back around 02-93? Think I paid around 1200 at Full Compass, which used to kick ass, great prices and no secondssold as new like muscians friend...
Ive always been a gear geek. BITD no matter how poor i was, hell I often didn’t have a car, but from high school on I always had me at least a decent stereo. So I’ll talk gear or tell stories with all y’all anytime, but I fear there are many here among us who feel this is but a joke!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:13

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Oroborous, interesting information on Sonos. You have peaked my interest on hard wiring the speakers. Could you elaborate on that? I thought the whole point of Sonos was plug in anywhere, no wires, which my wife loves, and run it through WiFi?

Appreciate your expertise as I know this is your profession.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:33

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What's the origin story of that title?

I'm gonna blame that title for me always blowing off this release.. cause it's a bad ass show.
And it's not a snooze fest even if it's marketed as one!
(This is all tongue in cheek btw, keep up the good work Dead.net and see comments below about Fade In & Out Tracks if anyone who produces these great CDs read this stuff)

I thoroughly enjoyed all of that.

The Set 2 PITB > UJB > Terrapin > Mind Left Body > Drums is a spring '90 highlight!
Inventive, fresh, strong singing. Damn these people that release this stuff might be on to something:)
Space > Wheel > Watchtower real nice, usually tire of later Watchtowers, but this was played with some real gusto.
Stella Blue even caught my daughter's attention, she said "this one is really good Dad, did Jerry write this?"
But got pissed when I told her that NFA was a cover, she mentioned that should be a Dead song.
AWBYGN is always a treat and Jerry sounds like he's really enjoying delivering this one.

Far OUT!

I'm stoked that came up, thanks to DEADVIKES for keeping us on course with releases and Thanks to the GD for breaking that one up all into pieces so that I didn't really want to listen to it that much and could really enjoy it today!

RE: JIMINMD I agree that trying to patch up fade in & outs is a pain for real.
If the power's that be read this stuff a couple of separated Fade In & Fade Out tracks placed at the beginning and the end can easily be added to any CD to keep continuity and easily deleted by the consumer to create seamlessness for the hardcore freaks. Just saying.. that'd be great!

RE: OROBOROUS Tech talk rules and I appreciate the Gear info and hopefully we can continue this... but the hour is getting late, hey!

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Submitted by Jack Baller on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 14:14

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Given the album cover and Albany's proximity to the Catskill Mountains, "Dozin" is a reference to the Rip VanWinkle story. Deeply ingrained in those of us from Upstate NY!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 15:25

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Ah-ha! Now that makes sense.

Thanks JACK BALLER!
I now know with the help of your response and a quick google search that Rip Van Winkle is one of the Great Northern Catskills best-loved figureheads.
That makes so much sense, and the regional touch is really cool.

This came out in 1996 and I've always questioned the marketing angle as the first thing I thought of was why would they release this if they thought it was a snooze fest?

But lo!! It's quite a bit more clever than I.. and it's pretty keen.
(I didn't recognize ole Rip in the bushes and thought that was just some stoned hippie laying there;)

That clears up a lot and makes me like this release that much more.

DAVE ROCK: Dosin' at the Knick ain't bad either as I'm sure there was a lot of that too...

Well, you just can't beat that.
Good music and I learned a few things.

The Good Ole Grateful Dead strikes again!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 17:53

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Excellent advice Jimbo.

I listen to new CD arrivals to confirm that they are not defective, then make a disc image on a HD. I then type in the track names and make any necessary edits (removing those stupid overlap transitions between CD’s), and export the files as Sd2f. The Sd2f file is then used to make copies in various formats: AIFF, ALAC, FLAC, AAC-320 (each format on a separate HD).
The ALAC files go onto micro SDXC cards for my iBasso music players (DX80 and DX120), and into iTunes for my iPod 5 Classic which a few months ago I upgraded to 1 TB using an iFlash Quad.
The AAC-120 and FLAC files are for playing from USB drives in cars.
With the AIFF files I burn 2 copies to CD-R as backups (glad I started doing that now that the CD rot issue has been brought to our attention), and listen to one of the copies to confirm that the files on the HD are not corrupt.

I then make multiple HD backups

Where do I find the time?
I don’t play video games, I don’t go to movies, and I watch very little TV (no Netflix or other subscriptions). I do watch a lot of hockey but I can see and hear the TV from where my computers are, so I try to have the computers running and converting audio files/burning discs while watching hockey.

I do get to listen to a lot of GOGD.

Great choice, I was able to listen to I believe everything except Desolation Row. Still have my Dozin copy from 1996 and the first Spring 1990 opening tunes. Top shelf!

I will throw out another 90s release for tomorrow, 8/13/75, One From the Vault.
I have two copies of this, the original 1991 release and the remastered release from 2007. The upgrade is awesome.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 18:55

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...On behalf of the group"

Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:21

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Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:22

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in the queue...

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:42

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Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:48

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To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
- Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
- Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
- Research and get best Router you can
- Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

Nite all.

Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

Oroborous, appreciate the information.

Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 22:34

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Good stuff!

JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

Fun Discussions tonight all.

Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

Until then be well

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 01:49

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An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 03:27

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This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 05:57

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Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 07:39

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Sleigh Bells Ring, are you listening?

I can still remember how excited I was when they announced One From The Vault

When I got the 2 CD set (which is next to me and has very small print that I can barely read now, but no "Disc Rot";) and listened to the music contained within it was a revelation:

This show is amazing! And it's complete and sounds incredible! This is how it could be! This could change everything! I could get all the shows sounding like this! They might release like a show a month or something! It's going to be off the hook! How will I afford it all?!?!

1991 the flood gates opened
with a trickle..

pretty cool

PS -
The Sleigh Bells in Slipknot!
The Harmonies in The Music Never Stopped..
Oh Boy!
I love this show:)

Be Well All, got some Fun Listening to do today.

What a First Set!!

Can only imagine what it was like to see this band back then, literally :)

That's gotta be up there with greatest ever Set 1.. if there is such a thing
EDIT: Forgot 3/2/69 in my excitement.. so never mind the "greatest ever" language, Great Set 1!

Dammit Jim, now my secret is out....part of why they put me in that dog getup, easier to contain!

VAULT 1: what GOGD said “Thanks UA & Rackow: yeah, I member all the excitement when the first stuff started trickling out, and the quality, Oy! Funny now how we critique many of the earlier generation releases now, but back then it was like gettin some when you were young!

DEADVIKES: if you have the wire in your house, id try just hardwiring stuff and adding a net switch. That shouldn’t cost you that much and it should help. Later you can always upgrade the other components if you want, but hardwiring stuff will help with any application. (To see what wire you have find your phone distribution point. There should be a at least one wire per room. If there is several of the same type, it should be marked on the side. If it’s cat 5 or better your good to go.

Ok, now time to fire up 8/13/75!