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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #5221
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    Jim, take 2, they’re small

    If you didn’t know any songs at your first show, at least you knew “The Raven”.
    It’s grate that you got to see that for your first.
    Unless you thought that poetry during Space was normal and you were disappointed at your second show when there wasn’t any poetry.

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    Stranger, Second Set Opener

    My first show (4/19/82) had a stranger second set opener.

    I had never seen the dead before, got tickets last minute and didn't really have a chance to check them out. I listened to Terrapin Station once in the car and knew of the studio versions of UJB and Casey Jones. I am not sure what I was expecting, perhaps aged hippies sitting on stools playing acoustic guitars.. As we were walking to our seats someone in a dark corner under a stairwell caught our attention so by timing it, for us that night meant 25 min before the first song give or take?? At the opening moments of the second set it kicked into high gear and a part of me wished I had taken one instead of two.

    Good times, I had no idea what I was in store for.

    At the suggestion of a few here I re-watched the making of Dark Side of the Moon last night while planning the next phase of my home project. Gilmour said something that took to me, something to the effect that he wished he could have listened to that album start to finish for the first time without knowing it. That sums up my first dead show, I saw a quite good show from start to finish fully on board, eyes swirling in the back of my head without any idea really what they were about. And that was it for me, they still fascinate me.. I thoroughly enjoyed Lakeland.

    What's in store today? Hey.. did we do Gainesville yet, it's kissing cousin?

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    Timing is everything

    We used to have fun trying to guess when they’d start, rarely on time, so we could drop an hour before. That way its just coming on as the show starts, the first disorienting scary peak was around when they and the sound would start to really mesh near the peak at the end of the first, and the second bigger peak would be at start of second, with third and usually last big wave around space, Perhaps one more for the big finish.
    Usually, as long as you guessed the start right, the rest would all line up..

    EDIT: ooopps, and 11/28/80 was fine, need more time with that one too. So many great shows I barely know : (

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    Jim-curiously I had exactly the experience you are describing when I saw the Dead in London 10/3/81. Unexpectedly, someone in the crowd I had never seen before offered me a dose just before the first set. We pass this way but once...
    And Stranger kicked off the second set.

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    Had a nice listen today. I like the song selection and the performance.

    Funny.. as I was working and listening and the Feel Like a Stranger kicked off the second set, I had this thought about Stranger as a second set opener.. when the lights go down and the second set starts.. if you dosed, that's when it really starts kicking in and what a great song this is when that moment overtakes you.

    I wondered how many people in the crowd had that feeling that night. ... then I read pretty much the same situation in Sam's recount of the show. You Know It's Gonna Get Stranger, So Let's Get on with the Show....

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    UNKLE SAM - Great story! I'm impressed with the details you recall. Did you take notes on that one? Curious if you're able to conjure all those memories or if you documented some of them to help keep them so fresh and vivid. So far you're spot on. That Jack Straw, Peggy-O are signaling a fun time ahead. Thanks for sharing man, I really enjoyed reading that. And Jerry just rips right in to his Rooster solo :)

    This show is sounding sweet today. I really like the next 2 nights too and am thinking I need to re-visit 11/26 as well.
    Nice pick!

    Fun.

    OB: I’d love to see if it’s possible to release 11/19, 22, 24, they’re all worthy, don’t think 11/26 is in Vault. That being said they all suffer from some unfortunate reel flips and not a lot, if any, patch options. Based on what has already been released I don’t see much happening on this front. But… the 3 shows mentioned are must haves for any worthy GD collection. And the boots we’ve got are good.

    I need to go back and do all of October ’72 to really give an opinion on that month. 10/18 in particular is on my re-listen list. So.. basically blah blah blah, I love November ’72!

    One show from this time period I’d really like to see released is 9/16/72 and I know it’s on Dave’s radar. The PITB is one of my all time faves and the Dark Star > Brokedown is essential listening. Great great show.

    Too Much! Really, too much!

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    Wowsa, forgot how hot DPs 3 is! Not always a big 77 guy but this one and the Swing always hit me like Britney!
    I’m sure I’m in the minority, but sometimes I kinda like the chopped Dicks (ooooopps, stepped in it that time lol)
    Honestly, as the years continue I’m increasingly editing my picks down to the more meat & pertators. I guess it’s preferable to have the whole show and then edit to taste? But I don’t mind them so much as long as they are in order or keep the show flow somewhat. I never liked the cut ups ala burrows versions with only certain songs from different nights in weird trac orders...but yeah, I need to hear some of that again! Great Pick!

    11/28/80 sounds good! I’ve been lingering on DaP 8 to compare that matrix with the newDaves after all the hoopla about it. It does sound good but so far I think 8 is a tad too dry while 36 is a tad too wet. But that’s me as I prefer a good matrix! So since I’m in that zone, and I haven’t spent much time with 11/28, hell I’ve still not listened to probably half of boxilla, Doooaaahh! So,
    Onward!

    Oh, Sammy, thanks for sharing!

    Doodle oh (Arnold Horeshack) so looking for opions here, if we could only get a “smaller” Fall 72 box, what part would you choose now that several of you have taken that Pepsi challenge? Lazy minds wanna know!

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    Hey now everyone, as requested, here is a rundown on the 11-28-80 Lakeland Civic Center show.
    It was a Friday, the day after Thanksgiving and the boys had just done a show down in Pembroke Pines that we did not travel to, but we heard it was a scorcher. Having had Thrusday off for Thanksgiving I nor any of our party had to work that day and we left around noon for the hour and a half drive to the Center. We were looking forward to this show as we had traveled up to Atlanta back in April of this year to see the boys at the Fox Theatre, but that's another story.
    It was a beautiful day, about 75 and sunny with a few clouds and a bit of a breeze. The traffic was constant but not heavy on the way west to Lakeland from Orlando.
    My parents at the time lived in Lakeland and I knew the town pretty good so we slid into the Center from the back way down 33 off of I-4, which was a great way to get to the Civic Center, knida like the back door.
    As we arrived we could see that it was not too crowded, there were heads here and there throwing frisbees and listening to music, but all in all for the early afternoon, not to crowded, yet. It did fill up later on but we liked to get to shows early so we could get good seats, and we had fine seats up off the floor on Jerry's side about half way back. I always brought my binoculars with us so we could get some good looks at the boys and the equipment.
    Of course we came loaded for bear and had the usual paraphernalia with us, some good smoke, a wine sack full of sangria and tequila mixed the way the Spanish did it and of course some doses, Purple or Red dragons, can't remember the color now, but they were good.
    As we enter the Arena about 6 or so we walked right in which was a bit strange because Lakeland had become the place where there was always a big heat presence at shows, especially Grateful Dead shows and when we didn't see but a couple cops, we were relieved and walked right in, no pat down or searches. {Turns out they were all inside dressed like heads, undercover).
    The lights went down and we dropped the doses and they opened with Jack Straw which during the line we can share the women we can share the wine we broke out the wine sack that my buddy had smuggled into the place under his arm and slung over his shoulder and cover by his jean jacket. Sangria and tequila is quite a potent mix but it is also quite sweet, so down it went in no time. After Jack Straw came just one of the best Peggy-O's ever, Jerry's voice was pure butter and his playing was top notch. Then into little red rooster where Bobby again fucked up his slide work and it took Jerry stepping in to help out to finish the song. Jerry could play some slide, unlike Bobby, who kind of just raked it over the strings. Then Tennessee Jed, which the crowd got into, most of them being from the south and they could relate to this song, once again Jerry in fine form, punching out the vocals with great pronunciation. A good Jed for sure. A killer Passenger followed, with Phil just up and down the neck like he was playing a lead guitar, awesome. Then came Deep Elem Blues, a favorite of mine and done electrically, which was rare and quite good, Bobby in good form for this one and the next one which was Looks Like Rain, again done very well and the set ends with a smoking Deal, with Jerry tearing it up, a big star beside that one and a great set ender like it always was.
    By this time the doses had taken hold and we were wasted, laid back in our seats and just toe tapping and smiling, good times for sure, the lights came up and we headed to the drink line and I went to the long bathroom line, standing there tripping was to say the least, weird, a lot of folks were off too, but some were screaming for doses and looked like they weren't having such a good time, I shied away from the rabble rousers and did what I came for and walked among the heads during intermission. That was fun, found a cool tee shirt that had a skull smoking a joint and "on the road again" under the skull, a cool shirt with the only color being the red dot on the end of the joint.
    Back to my seat and the light went down and Jerry starts with this killer wah wah that leads into Feel like a Stranger, an excellent version, check it out if you have a copy of the show from the 30 trips box, it is trippy and different and very cool. The song ends the crowd goes crazy and then Jerry starts off To Lay me Down and the crown goes quiet, you could hear a pin drop as Jerry pours out his heart and soul into the song and his guitar work is out of this world. An awesome version of another tune that they had not done for quite a while. After that deafening applause comes Let it Grow into a fantastic Terrapin Station, wow, just...wow. The song continues into Drums and Mickey and Billy tear it up, lots of folks get up and head out but I loved the drums>space part of the show and I sat there mesmerized as the beast with 8 arms rears it head and performs it magic. The space is short but it goes into Not Fade away with Brent holding down the keys with some sustain and with that the tune slow forms and then burst out on us like an exploding sun, "I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be....." everyone's up and rocking now. A beautiful Black Peter follows and once again Jerry's voice is like butter, loved this year with Jerry being on so many times. Sugar Magnolia takes us home with a U.S. Blues encore to send us out dancing. A great show and the exit was fun as the moo's coming from the crowd as we piled out making me laugh hard. Still tripping we sat in the parking lot smoking joints until we thought we could drive, and we did, all the way back to Orlando with three mile smiles on our faces.

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    I'm hip to some 1980 Dead, another trip back to Florida sounds fun.

    That Slipknot! on 5/22/77 just kills me. So good, it's imprinted on my psyche. And hearing the "Inspiration" just come shining out of the fog, that's the stuff.

    DV - I'd love some rereleases of the incomplete shows, but I think that type of reengineering effort is not top of mind. Rather we continue to go Further!

    As a want to be archivist, I really appreciate Dave's approach of not releasing stuff unless they can do it right, which wouldn't of been possible without Dick's trailblazing efforts to begin releasing this material in the first place. Alas the 5/22/77 release was a gear in the cog to get where we are now. The new transfer has the reel flip in Eyes patched now. Aww.. the Dead Head freak nature of obsessing about minutia, I scoffed at it once and now it's a part of me.

    Also, that Pink Floyd Dark Side doc was great! Thanks for the tip, I enjoyed that.

    Bob T - Putting those Blue Suede Shoes back on and hitting the road again! December '73?
    Feels like you'd have to kick it off with 11/30 for sure. Maybe I can get catch a ride and get some tickets at the shows? Boston could be Sold Out though from the looks of things... hmmm.

    Ever heard the 11/28/73 Jerry & Mickey dated material from the Palace of Fine Arts? I was just looking at December '73 run and noticed it. Seastones performances with Phil & Ned, I might have to listen to that again. I think it circulates with Tarot outtakes. Some weird shit.

    Okay now I'm ramblin'...
    Lil surprised that the location I was looking for today on 30 DOTD wasn't listed. How can be?

    Don't want to give away anything, but that should be corrected, but not if it means I got it wrong cause I chose the only other option. If you haven't given the track a spin, do! It's a freakin' epic version and it was off my radar.

    Good stuff.

    PS - UNKLE SAM - Got any 11/28/80 tripping stories?

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    11/28/80 is a great show

    Thanks man.. planing a big stack of rough cut cherry for indoor trim in the bathroom. Perfect wood making music for a mostly sunny Sunday.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Tue, 05/19/2020 - 11:14

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The YouTube video is mildly entertaining. A Canadian once told me he lived in northeastern Alberta. I asked him what it was like and he said it’s boreal forest (stunted trees) ,just like the word sounds, boring .

Oh yeah... it seems a bit twisted. So that instantly gets my attention.

Whad'ya say JIMINMD?

Boooreal Ridge adventure trip = it might be better than that crappy warehouse job

Was it 5/19/77 at the Fox?

Listened to that awesome show last week. Loved the bonus tracks from the fall of 77. Always thought that was a cool idea.

What is on tap for today? Would like to see more official releases as Bolo I believe originally intended.

Peace folks.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:03

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What about 3/24/90?

3/24/90 - Dozin’ At The Knick (13 songs) & Spring 1990 Box (6 songs) & Postcards Of The Hangin’ (1 song) & Without A Net (1 song OMSN)

It's spread over a few releases which makes me curious to check it out again as it's definitely been awhile.

RE: DEADVIKES - Yep, yesterday BOBT picked 5/19/77.. awesome show for sure.

One of the Best from '77?

Worked my way through it late yesterday, Wow!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 07:42

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Mind Meld Left Body Jam

Spring '90 here we come!

Who woulda thought that 30 years later.. Oh, let's not go there...

Sherman, set the WABAC machine for 3/24/90 the Knickerbocker Arena in Albany, NY.
We've got some music to listen to!

… isn't that across the Whitestone or Triborough Bridge?

Nice Dave Bromberg vid. Made me check my Bromberg, I'm light in that guy, couple of shows and only an album or two. Guess I need to get more.

While Bromberging, saw Mean Mary on the right side of youtube. I like her a lot. Any Mean Mary fans out there?

Be kind, mention less new music, I can't afford no more!!!

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 08:22

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Recent talk of headphoning.

Certain albums have ALWAYS shined through the phones.

Great headphone album I've been melting my ears with the past week. (over, over and over some more)
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine. What an angry album, angry and sad. Has stood up well for me since it's release. If you can skate as fast as "Sin" you're doing great. 120 on a crouch rocket with this song, wow!

Ok, two more headphone albums I love. Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band & Operation Mindcrime.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 08:30

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LTGTR > Help On The Way (Transition was tight) > Slipknot! (Short & Sweet) > Franklin's (These Multi-Tracks be sounding GOOD!)

I'm a likin' this already :)

For those who wanna play it through in order, here's what you need -
Set 1:
Majority - Spring 1990 Box (2012) - Disc 12 - Bonus tracks from March 24, 1990, Albany
Walkin' Blues - Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 1
Desolation Row - Postcards Of The Hanging (2002)
OMSN - Without A Net (1990)

Set 2
Dozin’ at the Knick (1996) - Disc 2 & 3

Enjoy!

PS - Do peeps play this stuff off disc? Just curious how you peeps be doin' it, yo

Tight, I figured every body has their own work around.

I was curious how people do.

I add all audio files to my music player and control the spaceship from there.

CDs are def not my preferred medium for this here music.

Believe we had ventured to the lower seats behind the stage. Can’t remember why? Probably to meet folks and fire up during D/S, so most everyone thought the usual meh, here cones D/S etc, but no....they start going into this jam and it sounds like something??? But none of us knew exactly. Anyway, it was pretty special especially from that different perspective of being behind the band but close, and at the same time you can look out at the crowd and all that energy. Sorta like the roadies view. Anyone who has ever spent much time on stage while a band is getting it on with the crowd knows what I’m talking about...
Anyway, those were great shows!

DENNIS: tell your wife I’m sorry for making you need more Bromberg LOL 😃
But come on, it’s Danger Man!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:11

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I ripped it all to the trusty ML 9600, edited as needed and burned a HC Disc then ripped it to the server. Or I could easily shuffle correct order via Album Player. I should check out that matrix for different perspective. First I’ll have to see if Dozin is how I remember: having extra ambient mics in the mix? I seem to recall I’ve always really liked the sound on that one because of the enhanced live feeling?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:18

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During the quarantine I have been mainly listening to CDs in my basement with the old school wired hifi suround sound system.

I also have a Sonos system linked to iTunes with a lot but not all of my CDs ripped.

It is hard to use these Sonos systems when the whole family is home working and going to school. Each speaker uses something like 5 Mbs of bandwidth.

I rip everything lossless, then listen from file. If I get around to today's pick.. and I might just be able to fit that in.. I will be re-arranging and re-ordering the songs from the best available sources. A giant pain in the ass if you ask me.

When I first set up the house I live in after the move.. I put all the CDs, etc. in the office and when working at night I would play right from the CDs.. for quite some time. ..but I got tired of staying in my office for ungodly hours each day, and my work now seems to involve less data crunching, analysis, etc. so I am not quite as trapped to my office and get to escape. I have almost freed myself from swapping discs.

rip em once, play em plenty.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:49

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Nice! It's cool to hear the different set ups people are using.

OROBOROUS - That Alesis ML 9600 sounds pretty dope!

DEADVIKES - CDs in the basement are cool too, specially with some nice speakers.

JIMINMD - Agree, I like to have my music where ever I go these days, but definitely started grounded with CDs.

I back up my CD masters, then add to music player, in this case iTunes and organize from there.

If I need to retrack or splice it up I'll take the master file into Adobe Audition and work with it there.

ML 9600 peaks my interest for sure.. looks like it's discontinued though.

As a Tape Kid, When I got back into collecting in 2010, I definitely had no idea what I was doing.
Which has become apparent when I re-listen to some of these old picks and what not.
This Pick Of The Day trip has been great for finding out what I was doing 10 years ago in regards to collecting.

It's been educational for sure, and apparently we just never stop learning.

Dozin' definitely appears to have some extra ambient noise mixed in verse the Multi-Track recording from Spring '90.

Pretty stoked GDR released these bonus tracks.

Walkin' Blues made me miss Brent-Ski and this Loser is SICK!

Stoked on this show so far.

PS - All Audio geek info is highly encouraged, Best Methods etc... Might need to be a new thread ;)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 09:50

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Deadvikes: if at all possible, hard wiring your Sonos network will improve both it as well as free up valuable WiFi! EDIT: professional tip of the day: always hard wire your net stuff unless you can’t!
Depending on how old your house is and what they used to wire for phones, you may be able to cobble together enough wire to do this. Often they’ll use cat 5 for phone outlets, so anyone who has cat five, even if only one per location, can do this. The only tricky part is terminating some RJ 45s, but you can source tools and supplies online or even at many big box stores, and of course you can learn how to do most things on line these days.
NOTE: as long as you don’t need any conductors for landline...I’m assuming most folks don’t use landlines anymore....

EDIT: GOGD, normal methodology is rip immediately to Server, carefully put disc back in case, put case on shelf as future backup.....unless the discs fall apart in ten years 😉 Occasionally, I’ll make a hard copy of combined or reordered stuff like 3/24 on the ML, or a road or mix copy, but I never play the source discs. Funny though back in the day before all this highfalutin’ tech, I did play Dicks etc in the car, but have never had a disc go bad.
....ok, I can hear Dennis now...”what’s that about playing with Dick in your car” yuck, yuck...

Yeah, this show is ringing my bell today.

Totally fell off my radar.

Sounds super good and the playing is tight.

Really solid Set 1.

OROBOROUS - Nice 3/24/90 Story.. And DAMN, you saw a lot of shows!
Would love to swap Hampton '87 stories sometime, those were my favorite shows that I got to attend.
The energy in that place for those shows was just Awesome!
Also down to hear more about your server & music set up at some point.

But till then, stoked thinking about wandering around the Knick while this here music plays.. cause this sounds killer.

PITB is dreamy

EDIT: OROBOROUS - Haven't heard from Dennis yet... but that's funny.
Thanks for the haps on the craps, yeah I rip 'em and run. I'm interested in that ML-9600 and server set up. Got everything on an External Drive currently but am thinking I could use a better set up. I might bug you about this some more down the road if that's cool. In the meantime, thanks for the tips and that joke. Hahaha!

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Submitted by pkpotter on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:15

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Love DP 18. Madison Wi. And The Wheel, and fond memory of an old friend telling me his story about hanging with Jerry at the Madison Holiday Inn...

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Submitted by Dennis on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 11:55

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For those who care, spackling coming along fine.

ML-9600 - intrigued me enough to look also. Went to their web, yes, appears discontinued. I read their description and thought, "shit, that's gonna be a few bucks." Was shocked high price I saw (for ten seconds of looking) was 300 bucks. Still don't think I need one, but a lot cheaper than I had in mind. I was thinking 1-2k. Why I'm not on the price is right.

Home network/wi-fi/wired - two cents on this. My wi-fi sucked for a sundry of reasons. Found these thing by EERO, they replace your current wifi. I bought the 3 unit box. They talk to each other and can balance the load. Also learned about "switches" (I think that's the name). Stupid little cheap boxes that act almost like a usb hub. Run a cat 5 wire out of router, plug into this thing and bang you got 6 more holes you can plug cat 5 wire into. So one cat 5 wire into attic, into switch and then a cat 5 to each room. The switch I got runs off 5 volts. One of my cat 5 wires goes to eero box 2, other side of house in tv room. Box 1 is connected directly to router. Box 3 in other end of house, close enough to box 1 to run wi-fi between them, but communication between 1 & 2 are wired.

Got that?

I've always liked Dozin, my era I guess. I go with the crowd mike added in. But the recording I think is great. Used to listen to the disc a lot when first came out on good stereo. I need to splice the 2 "spaces" into 1 space, just because.

Playing Dick in car!?! I would never complain, I'm an Auto-Erotic. Owned a repair shop for years, fixed cars long time.

Back to spackle.

that’s where I am now, oh yeah!
Always loved LTGTR opener, usually a good sign and set a kind vibe..but did not expect a H/S/F after. Phil’s killin’ it on the intro to Help, and they nail the start, shit their nailing things like a damn carpenter all over this! Always loved that Loser! Nice OMSN end of set change up. Smooth spacey, but tight, Playin’, awesome jam and transition into UJB, then like a Swiss watch, Jers not messin’ around, head first into this smooth Terrapin etc, and of course that sweet jam. Moments like that were what kept me still going after all the years....And all this goodness even before a great 90 D/S midi fest, it’s a shame Lee eSdee and I weren’t hanging out at this time..
Wheel, Watchtower when it was fresh, Stella...oh Stella, sigh, Oh to be able to hear Jer live bring it all down, way down, like during a Stella or Dew one last time, to lay me down, sigh.
I probably felt like at the time like “shit, another NFA, had to wreak a near perfect show” lol, damn picky dead heads!..but it works, I mean what else to cap this awesome show, Dew? Well, ya knew they’d be saving that one...no, it probably had to be NFA, with the still fresh and always welcome (to this day) Bid You Goodnight!
Yeah, you had me roped in instantly on this one even though I just limped through the 30 year spring 90 thing back in March! Big thanks to the picker, Brillant Mate!

Yes, unfortunately out of production. Best gear I ever bought! List was around 2K, I got mine back around 02-93? Think I paid around 1200 at Full Compass, which used to kick ass, great prices and no secondssold as new like muscians friend...
Ive always been a gear geek. BITD no matter how poor i was, hell I often didn’t have a car, but from high school on I always had me at least a decent stereo. So I’ll talk gear or tell stories with all y’all anytime, but I fear there are many here among us who feel this is but a joke!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:13

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Oroborous, interesting information on Sonos. You have peaked my interest on hard wiring the speakers. Could you elaborate on that? I thought the whole point of Sonos was plug in anywhere, no wires, which my wife loves, and run it through WiFi?

Appreciate your expertise as I know this is your profession.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 13:33

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What's the origin story of that title?

I'm gonna blame that title for me always blowing off this release.. cause it's a bad ass show.
And it's not a snooze fest even if it's marketed as one!
(This is all tongue in cheek btw, keep up the good work Dead.net and see comments below about Fade In & Out Tracks if anyone who produces these great CDs read this stuff)

I thoroughly enjoyed all of that.

The Set 2 PITB > UJB > Terrapin > Mind Left Body > Drums is a spring '90 highlight!
Inventive, fresh, strong singing. Damn these people that release this stuff might be on to something:)
Space > Wheel > Watchtower real nice, usually tire of later Watchtowers, but this was played with some real gusto.
Stella Blue even caught my daughter's attention, she said "this one is really good Dad, did Jerry write this?"
But got pissed when I told her that NFA was a cover, she mentioned that should be a Dead song.
AWBYGN is always a treat and Jerry sounds like he's really enjoying delivering this one.

Far OUT!

I'm stoked that came up, thanks to DEADVIKES for keeping us on course with releases and Thanks to the GD for breaking that one up all into pieces so that I didn't really want to listen to it that much and could really enjoy it today!

RE: JIMINMD I agree that trying to patch up fade in & outs is a pain for real.
If the power's that be read this stuff a couple of separated Fade In & Fade Out tracks placed at the beginning and the end can easily be added to any CD to keep continuity and easily deleted by the consumer to create seamlessness for the hardcore freaks. Just saying.. that'd be great!

RE: OROBOROUS Tech talk rules and I appreciate the Gear info and hopefully we can continue this... but the hour is getting late, hey!

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Submitted by Jack Baller on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 14:14

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Given the album cover and Albany's proximity to the Catskill Mountains, "Dozin" is a reference to the Rip VanWinkle story. Deeply ingrained in those of us from Upstate NY!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 15:25

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Ah-ha! Now that makes sense.

Thanks JACK BALLER!
I now know with the help of your response and a quick google search that Rip Van Winkle is one of the Great Northern Catskills best-loved figureheads.
That makes so much sense, and the regional touch is really cool.

This came out in 1996 and I've always questioned the marketing angle as the first thing I thought of was why would they release this if they thought it was a snooze fest?

But lo!! It's quite a bit more clever than I.. and it's pretty keen.
(I didn't recognize ole Rip in the bushes and thought that was just some stoned hippie laying there;)

That clears up a lot and makes me like this release that much more.

DAVE ROCK: Dosin' at the Knick ain't bad either as I'm sure there was a lot of that too...

Well, you just can't beat that.
Good music and I learned a few things.

The Good Ole Grateful Dead strikes again!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 17:53

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Excellent advice Jimbo.

I listen to new CD arrivals to confirm that they are not defective, then make a disc image on a HD. I then type in the track names and make any necessary edits (removing those stupid overlap transitions between CD’s), and export the files as Sd2f. The Sd2f file is then used to make copies in various formats: AIFF, ALAC, FLAC, AAC-320 (each format on a separate HD).
The ALAC files go onto micro SDXC cards for my iBasso music players (DX80 and DX120), and into iTunes for my iPod 5 Classic which a few months ago I upgraded to 1 TB using an iFlash Quad.
The AAC-120 and FLAC files are for playing from USB drives in cars.
With the AIFF files I burn 2 copies to CD-R as backups (glad I started doing that now that the CD rot issue has been brought to our attention), and listen to one of the copies to confirm that the files on the HD are not corrupt.

I then make multiple HD backups

Where do I find the time?
I don’t play video games, I don’t go to movies, and I watch very little TV (no Netflix or other subscriptions). I do watch a lot of hockey but I can see and hear the TV from where my computers are, so I try to have the computers running and converting audio files/burning discs while watching hockey.

I do get to listen to a lot of GOGD.

Great choice, I was able to listen to I believe everything except Desolation Row. Still have my Dozin copy from 1996 and the first Spring 1990 opening tunes. Top shelf!

I will throw out another 90s release for tomorrow, 8/13/75, One From the Vault.
I have two copies of this, the original 1991 release and the remastered release from 2007. The upgrade is awesome.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 18:55

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...On behalf of the group"

Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:21

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Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:22

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in the queue...

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:42

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Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 19:48

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To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
- Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
- Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
- Research and get best Router you can
- Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

Nite all.

Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

Oroborous, appreciate the information.

Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 05/20/2020 - 22:34

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Good stuff!

JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

Fun Discussions tonight all.

Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

Until then be well

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 01:49

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An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

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Submitted by bob t on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 03:27

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This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

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Submitted by Dennis on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 05:57

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Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 05/21/2020 - 07:39

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Sleigh Bells Ring, are you listening?

I can still remember how excited I was when they announced One From The Vault

When I got the 2 CD set (which is next to me and has very small print that I can barely read now, but no "Disc Rot";) and listened to the music contained within it was a revelation:

This show is amazing! And it's complete and sounds incredible! This is how it could be! This could change everything! I could get all the shows sounding like this! They might release like a show a month or something! It's going to be off the hook! How will I afford it all?!?!

1991 the flood gates opened
with a trickle..

pretty cool

PS -
The Sleigh Bells in Slipknot!
The Harmonies in The Music Never Stopped..
Oh Boy!
I love this show:)

Be Well All, got some Fun Listening to do today.

What a First Set!!

Can only imagine what it was like to see this band back then, literally :)

That's gotta be up there with greatest ever Set 1.. if there is such a thing
EDIT: Forgot 3/2/69 in my excitement.. so never mind the "greatest ever" language, Great Set 1!

Dammit Jim, now my secret is out....part of why they put me in that dog getup, easier to contain!

VAULT 1: what GOGD said “Thanks UA & Rackow: yeah, I member all the excitement when the first stuff started trickling out, and the quality, Oy! Funny now how we critique many of the earlier generation releases now, but back then it was like gettin some when you were young!

DEADVIKES: if you have the wire in your house, id try just hardwiring stuff and adding a net switch. That shouldn’t cost you that much and it should help. Later you can always upgrade the other components if you want, but hardwiring stuff will help with any application. (To see what wire you have find your phone distribution point. There should be a at least one wire per room. If there is several of the same type, it should be marked on the side. If it’s cat 5 or better your good to go.

Ok, now time to fire up 8/13/75!