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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #831
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    “Hey Rocky, watch me levitate Garcia”

    Per your suggestions, doing the 9-18-87 anniversary.

    I suspect that everything in the Vault that sounds good will get digitized, and a lot has probably been done already since the tapes are degrading and the job needs to get completed. Also, storing digital copies at various geographic locations can be an insurance policy against things like the Universal Music warehouse fire, California Earthquake(s), etc. Futhurmore, I assume that when Dave is perusing potential releases he listens to a digital copy, not a cassette copy, then he picks a few shows to discuss at the next business meeting.

    Some will get the Full Norman.
    Some will even get Plangentized.
    Everything that gets digitized will be available for download and/or streaming in the future, we may just not be alive to spend the money on such.
    The Vault will become the Catalog.
    We are financing the digitization of the Vault by buying the new releases.
    So bust out Dennis’ wife’s credit card and keep buying.
    (Well, at least Dennis can bust out the credit card)

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    Misery loves company, JK

    Yeah 1stshow I hadn’t planned to do it.I mean I’ve been meaning to, but, like many things nowadays, always low on roundtoits ; ). Reminds me of this guy we picked up on Ziggy Marley tour doing merch back in 96 I believe.
    Flew into DC, met PK from Jersey, counted stuff in at the 9:30 club, then just tried to keep up with ole PK. Out on town all night, then immediately had to drive to next show etc…
    Dude knows everyone everywhere and can get you ANYTHING you need in almost any city!
    Damn Rastas were asking him to get them weed everywhere as he had better connections lol
    Been a road dog forever! Anywho, somewhere in the mayhem we ran into a buddy of his from Virginia who decided one show wasn’t enough fun. He only ment to go to the next one, and every night kept saying “ok, this is the last one, then I have to get back”…we’ll this went on for over a week until finally, after Panama beach show we literally had to make him get on a bus and go home lol. Guy was helpful and we all had big fun, but the poor bastard was wearing the same clothes etc and didn’t have anything with him, totally spontaneous trip. Think after a couple daze we bought him some fresh underwear and gave him a couple tour shirts to change into lol.
    So that’s kinda how I started E72 this time, ok, I’ll do one more. Finally, though this isn’t a good time, time wise etc, figured, fug it, buy the ticket, take the ride! So, always more fun with a tour buddy!

    Yeah, I’m with you on 5/3. It is a damn good show, but I didn’t get as blown away as some…
    But I’ll need to reacquaint with it…top five, good luck. I can’t do it. Their all so good, sure I like some perhaps more, but their just different enough I can’t pick a top dog…
    Yeah, what a surprise, the French were the most vocal lol

    Yeah DV, im worried about the VIKS, Bills too, though they seemed like their old selves again this week. But like the Viks, ya never know what’s next lol. Rootin for underdog Lions, and Falcons, though I really like this kid Field with Da Bears…
    I’ll have to try and find that Dave article. He always says that and he doesn’t do it all the time, and they have mostly stayed clear of anniversaries, but he has been dipping liberally from that early possibilities list he mentioned back at the start of DaP.

    Those all sound familiar Jim, but I’m on a job site so can’t look up in my Db.
    Tempting all, but I’m on tour in Europe with ole 1stshow and don’t like to listen to other Dead until the trip is over…
    1970 is perhaps last frontier I haven’t really got the toe wet yet. Need another roundtoit!

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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 19:18

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I always liked that Spectrum show. It got beat up when released for sound quality, but for the era, it sounds quite good compared to most of the rest. I think it sounds better than the RT 1.1 a mix, but a lot from the Spectrum 79 run.

It's a cool little show and one of my early cassettes. It's got a short and potent TOO into a soulful Morning Dew. In 82, to my ears, Jerry could still deliver those mournful, soul-felt lyrics. On a good night in 82 his voice still sounded fresh. This might be the last year that was true, but I certainly liked the way he sang in the later years too. Visions and She Belongs to Me comes to mind.

Anyhow.. cheerio folks.. have a great night. Play your favorite show like it's 1999.

Edit: I am partial to 4/19/82 and 4/9/83 from that era, but I am biased.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 19:45

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Wooooohoooo, we neeeeeeeddddddddd MOR-R-R-R-Reee nitrous!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 05/30/2020 - 20:11

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....the laughing gas show. On it.
Spoiler alert. They play Cumberland.

“Maybe things don’t feel so good, you know what that’s all about.

It’s kinda like that in the world today things have fallin’ just kinda ill.

But listen there’s something you can do about it. You and me can do about it.

Cause we’re gonna change it, we’re gonna make it happen. Nobody else is gonna do it.

Listen deep down inside you got a light, turn it on, let it get stronger, let it get bright. And leave it on, that’s right.

Got to have Good Love.”

Bob - 4/19/82

Is it Bob laughing? Sounding pretty maniacal there Bobby!

More Nitrous..

Lovin’ April ‘82 this weekend.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 05/31/2020 - 21:54

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How about 9/24/76 to start our Monday. Dave's Picks #4, College of William & Mary.

Looking for a way back to some sort of normal. Not sure when that comes.
In the meantime, this wonderful pick deserves a spin.

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Submitted by Gollum on Sun, 05/31/2020 - 23:14

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This sounds like a very promising pick for tomorrow. I just rewatched Dave's excellent seaside chat. Very promising, indeed...

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 06/01/2020 - 07:44

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9/24/76 DaP V4

Nice call on the Seaside Chat Gollum, I'm pumped for some jams.

PITB > Supplication > PITB along with some tasty looking Blues For Allah stuff, time to revisit this puppy.

Have a Grate Day you all!

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 06/01/2020 - 14:53

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Save the date.... if this existed on soundboard!!!! We all love the Winterland run, but this show just gets ignored due to only audience tape existing!!! So Thursday of this week put this one on... and dare to dream... look at the set list... did it rot in the barn, did no one tape it, we can only dream!!!!!! bob t

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming! I won't comment on the decision to turn the site into a fundraising arm for 24 hours. They own the site and have the right to do it.

So 9/24/76, Dave's 24, was a great way to start my Monday. Different than June 76, yes, for sure. Great show, not long, but perfect for Monday. Love that Playing, Supplication. And yes, that Slipnot is a killer.

Be well folks!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Wed, 06/03/2020 - 06:38

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This looks tasty, many say top 5 show, I will have to dig this one up as I have never heard it but the set list is a good one. Thanks for the heads up

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Wed, 06/03/2020 - 10:18

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Hunter just put up these two matrix versions of these legendary shows, for those of us that are into that sort of thing (I know I certainly am!)

6/26: https://archive.org/details/gd1974-06-26.149947.mtx.seamons.ht119.flac16
6.28: https://archive.org/details/gd1974-06-28.149954.mtx.seamons.ht120.flac16

PM me if you need any help DLing :)

Peace

I was going to suggest a certain song by N.W.A. but thought my attempt at humor might not be appreciated....and not within the boundaries of our usual decorum....
So I might swing around to 11/1/85 again as I didn’t get a full listen in and haven’t heard in forever....
Pretty soon being the 35 anniversary year of that awesome summer tour, I may dig deep into those....

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 06/03/2020 - 14:07

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Listen and pretend you have the best sound board ever!!!!.... Franklin's Tower>China Doll!!!!. be safe and good everyone, bob t

All right China Doll is close to Comes a Time for 5/4/77 and 5/9/77 if there was a sound board.... last plead.... and you get a 12 minute NFA after also..... I feel like I am trying to sell Ginzu knives.... cuts threw cans and then a tomato!!!

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 06/03/2020 - 14:47

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back in the day it did not fit on a 90 minute maxell xl II........ compare that to the rest of Spring 77... sorry last rant..... please listen if you never have tomorrow!!! bob t.... if there was a board drop the mic!!!!! check out set II set listen!!!!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Wed, 06/03/2020 - 15:58

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His birthday today. Saw him in April 1973 in Phoenix, Freddie King opened.
Curtis’ song “(Don’t Worry) If there’s a hell below, We’re all going to go” is a classic. One of the most powerful live concerts I ever went to, that includes the Grateful Dead.
Eldridge Cleaver wrote in his book “Soul On Ice”and addressed the hippies saying that they were the white niggers. A white man with long hair can cut his hair and dress in plain looking clothes and blend back into society. The black man can not change the color of his skin.
I am paraphrasing but I think readers get the point.

I don't know Bob.. there's no SBD.

Just kidding!

Love the hype, looking forward to dusting off my moldy oldie Audience tape of 6/4/77 on it's anniversary.

Gonna go hit up 7/13/85 in the backyard, heard it's name kicked around on one of the other forums.
It's been awhile.

Be well all!

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 06/03/2020 - 17:52

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3 hours until eastern daylight time for 6/4/77... L.A. Forum........ last warning Estimated Prophet> Eyes of the World > Good Lovin> Terrapin Station>Playin in the Band> Franklin's Tower>China Doll> Not Fad eAway

Bob t, yes, we would all love an official copy of this show, that is for sure. Maybe some day? Who knows.

A wise soul sent me a copy of this show and it is extremely rough.

Maybe Rob Eaton knows?

Just think of the summer that could have been in 77 if Mickey didn't get in a car accident....

Be well folks, seems like we may be seeing some light at the end of the tunnel?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 06/03/2020 - 22:56

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I believe DL said 6/4/77 is 1 of 2 from ‘77 that is not in the Vault.

The other 2/27/77 maybe? They have 1 reel from that show, but I don’t think that reel was in the Vault until the Betty Boards return.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 06/04/2020 - 13:28

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I believe you are correct. 6/4/77.. one of the best shows of the year and one of the worst surviving recordings. Talk about Murphy's Law.

Murphy, turns out he was a real guy. "Named after Capt. Edward A. Murphy, an engineer working on Air Force Project MX981." (The Desert Wings March 3, 1978). The phrase was coined at Edwards Air Force Base in 1949.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 06/04/2020 - 15:42

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I like the sound of this 6/4/77 Audience Recording by Rob Bertrando it’s a solid recording. And definitely good by ‘77 standards. Good separation and ambience. Digging it.

Definitely a solid show and way cool set list, almost has a mojo style jam as they head into NFA.

Thanks Rob! If you’re out there, would love to hear some of your stories.

Man can’t imagine what we’d of done without Taper’s. They were such an important part of the Dead music trading phenomenon.

Hats off to Taper’s. You all purchased gear, got tickets, traveled, smuggled, got hassled, went in early just to record the shows. And then shared them with all of us. That’s hardcore. I had a hard time just keeping track of my, ticket, party favors and mind.

So glad you made it!

Nice pick Bob T.. did you have a good anniversary trip?

You're both right.. it's a crisp, great audience recording. my comment was in comparison to the rest of the year, which with a few exceptions was mostly miss Betty, and the exceptions were great recordings as well.

I didn't meant to say it sucked, more that all the other recordings were beyond exceptional.

Carry on.. just rereading shit, sometimes my words six hours later don't always match my intentions.

Back to your regularly scheduled
Terrapin Station>
Playin' In The Band>
Franklin's Tower>
China Doll>
Not Fade Away>
Playin' In The Band

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 07:40

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We need to keep this thread going, at least I would like to see that happen. It has been a ton of fun.

I will offer up 9/18/87, which is the 87 30 trips show?

I hope at some point they give us some of the 87-90 Shoreline shows. Quite a few of those shows to pick from.

What do they think?

If you don't have it let me know.

What happened to Bolo and Conekid?

Be well folks.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 07:56

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A great show.. one of the best of the year and still in my active rotation 4 1/2 years after 30 trips... The energy coming out of the space through the rest of the show is palpable.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 08:15

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Hot damn! 6/4/77 is a scorcher! I have never really minded decent AUDs, and like was mentioned, this AUD is really pretty good, especially considering how long ago it was. I think it was "Candyman" in Set 1 that made me really sit-up and pay attention, then, of course, that second set is tough to beat by the standards of any era! Thanks for pointing us in that direction!

9/18/87 for today! This will be another first listen for me!

I agree with DeadVikes - let's keep this thread rolling! I have been finding a lot more solace here than on the DaP34 page, especially as of late. Also, I have always thought that it was way more fun to dig into and discuss a wide variety of shows rather than focusing on one specific era of the band. This is my favorite little corner of the internet, and I hope it doesn't dry-up any time soon.

Happy Friday, DeadLand!

Peace

Worth watching the Letterman appearance just to see how uncomfortable Jerry was with that trick!

Our first Official pick from 1987!

OTIS you’re in for a TREAT my friend.

I’m in and this show boils over.. gives me chicken skin just thinking about the goodness that follows space!

DEADVIKES & OTIS: Glad to hear you all are hip to keep this thread going.. felt like it might be dying. And I agree with OTIS in regards to the vibe. I peak at them other threads.. but they’re like Space sometimes they get a little tense, sometimes a little scary :)

AUDIENCE RECORDINGS:
When I know there’s NO SBD in existence at this point. I can really dig a good Audience recording. If there’s a SBD I tend to wanna go to it first. But I think you really gain a different perspective when listening to Audience tapes, and hell after all the crappy tapes I had growing up, these 1st gen Audience recordings sound better than those. And often times sound pretty damn sweet. I'm looking at you June '83.

MISSING PERSONS:
Bolo seems to pop in from time to time.

Missing: FourWindsBlow & ConeKid (Hope all is well!)

BUMP: STRIDER88 - RIP Curtis Mayfield I’m gonna have to go in the garage and find my SuperFly CD, it’s been awhile and what an amazing talent. What was the scene like at that show?

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 09:04

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Yes, it is a 6-pack, but man-oh-man, I really enjoyed it!

For the 2nd day in a row, it is "Candyman" that is the first set winner, though I enjoyed all of the other tunes as well. "Masterpiece" is def. my fav. Bobby Weir Dylan tune, and this whole set has a lot of really strong energy.

I have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to 87, as I think that the short sets turned me off in the past. However, with the release of the Giants' Box, and some suggestions from this board and another friend, I am finding more and more about 87 that I love.

Looking forward to Set II - "Shakedown" opener - you know I love that!

Peace

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 09:41

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Glad to see you guys around for the ride.
87, the comeback year. Remember, Jerry had to learn how to play guitar again after the coma. What a run after the recovery.

There is a ton of great shows in 1987, were are a lucky bunch.

Yes, shorter shows for sure. Always love a Sugaree and that Birdsong is something. Looking forward to the second set.

Let's go Jim, Vguy, Oroborous, Bob t, Gollum, Mhammond!

Damn, you’d think with all this “extra” time I wouldn’t be so damn busy....sigh, falling behind again....
Been spending a little extra time with 11/1/85. Hadn’t broke this out in forever either, hee-hee you guys have been really pulling out so many awesome chestnuts that I’ve neglected trying to keep up with all the great new stuff I’ve picked up the last couple years.
Anyway, good show, Jer drops a few clams and they seem to get a little less in sync later in, but that’s nit picking. What? 5 or 6 tunes before drums, including High Time. Always dig She Belongs to me. Used to think this was a scratch your head pick, meaning imo there are many better 85 shows, and as this is only one of 2 from this great year released, it used to puzzle me. Now, I’m glad we have at least the 2 we do....oh, the Riverbend is definitely a Boobie Dazzler. Got me psyched to go deep on 85 since it will be 35 anniversaries of some of my favorite shows attended at least). Dipped into the Frost too. Going to start on the June 90 Cali shows next couple weeks as they were my first trip to the promised land with that 20 year old in tow and ran into ole Lee Esdee for the first time in forever at Shorline. Also hung with an X at the expo 😉 GOOD TIMES, good shows. I’ll have to have a video night for the 16th.....THEN....
Then we’ll start with those legendary Greek shows to start my 85 summer adventure, but first....
Will try to sneak that 9/18/87 in this weekend as that is a solid 87 show fo sure!
Tonight looking forward to Oteil on the stream, then the awesome 7/7/89 show. Will probably pop the DVD in for the show though as it’s too hard for this old top to go that long without treats and pee breaks etc lol.
Have fun, be safe, play dead!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 10:27

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Don't forget to stop by Ventura for 7/13/85 & 7/14/85.. I hadn't listened to those in forever until someone mentioned them on the DaP forum and they're greeeeeat!

Some tapes just get emblazoned in your mind in those formative years and you know all the riffs & nuisances, 7/13 is like that for me.

VGUY you should be hip to that too, OMSN > FOTM opener.. love that Fire.

One of the Hawks that live in the tree across the street was soaring around during the Bird Song when I listened to it the other day. Dead Magic

Alright, got some listening to do.

Happy Friday everyone!

EDIT: VGUY - Yep 9/18/87 today.

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 10:53

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Just started Hell in a Bucket. I've been listening to the '87 Giants Stadium show from the recent box and that show blows me away. Great time to revisit this one.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 11:59

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The April 1973 Curtis Mayfield concert in Phoenix was at the Celebrity Theater that has a round stage that revolves full circle. The audience was mostly African American. The feeling I got was Black Power with dignity and grace . I remember the bass player saying “power to the people means power to ALL the people”. My altered state of mind was real focused that night. Curtis Mayfield was truly a genius of soul and spirit.
Freddie King who opened for Curtis that night had quite the smile of joy as he picked a mean guitar.
Sometimes we only get one chance to see a great musician perform. Maybe that one time gives us a feeling and insight that stays with us for 50 years or more. Those two musicians did it.
JRF68 has gone fishing. A few years ago a gentleman on the boards expressed concern that he could not afford a new box set of his favorite era. JRF68 put out the call that he would help out. I threw in $20. and a couple other folks donated about the same. JRF payed the lions share. That man understands service for others. He deserves nothing less than respect.
So people go out and do something positive today , be it as simple as kind words for others.

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Submitted by Gollum on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 12:21

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just loaded onto my phone. Bird Song me!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 12:35

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I always thought when I was older I'd try to stay hip to the new music... But I find myself going further and further into what has come before. 1973 Curtis Mayfield on a revolving stage at the Celebrity Theater singing power to the people.. SHeeeeaaat!

That sounds amazing.

STRIDER 88 thanks for the scoop. Man you saw some good stuff, I appreciate you sharing your stories.

Do you have all the GD shows you saw listed somewhere? I know it's a pain to list em on this here website, but I'd love to check that list out. You my friend have seen some epic shows.

And sorry to hear about JRF68, I saw some of that going down on the other board.

Alright.. I'm heading into the Chicken Skin part of this MSG show from '87.

No reason to get excited..

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 14:38

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Good old G...you should worry - I think I Iost direction with modern music somewhere in the mid 1980s. I wouldn't for a second put modern music down, but I would personally rather hear something form the 1950s/60s/70s than something recorded last week.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 15:38

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Good to know I'm not alone;)

In retrospect it was the popular music of the 1980s (which was just not doing it for me) that led me to classic rock which eventually led me to the Grateful Dead, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

But when you think about an artist like Curtis Mayfield, it's hard for me to compare the type of music he was making to the popular music I hear my daughter listening to.

I fear I'm getting old.

I'm trying to keep an open mind, but...
If you ask me the music that was happening in the '60s & '70s has a certain level of quality that is hard to beat.

Alright, that all being said, I finished 9/18/87, loved it, again.
Now I'm checking out a nice upgrade of the 3/31/93 SBD from Charlie Miller.
I guess that's "modern" music and it ain't bad;)

Is it 420 yet?

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 16:50

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Yep, that show is a smoker. Really love the variety of these 80s sets. The "Shakedown" "Women Are Smarter" "Terrapin" is one hell of a way to start a set, and the post-Drums/Space portion deserves all of the accolades that it has received. I love how energized they sound throughout the whole show.

The more and more I listen, the more and more I love this band. So much to give, and they ask so little in return (save for massive amounts of our time :)

What's on tap for tomorrow? It's going to be another humid scorcher here, so I am thinking I will hole up in the AC, play some tunes, and spend most of my day reading some obnoxiously long novels. Perhaps an equally long show?

Looking forward to the Shakedown Stream tonight! Also, I hope JRF returns one day - he's a good dude and has been a friend on these boards for a long time. Perhaps he will make an appearance around these parts - a lot of the drama seems to be absent here.

Peace

EDIT: Oh, the VAST majority of music that I listen to was recorded well before I was born. Phish, The Flaming Lips, My Morning Jacket, some Wilco... a smattering of other things here and there, but mostly 50s, 60s, and 70s for me too. I think it is pretty common, at least among my group of friends.

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Submitted by Gollum on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 18:03

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highlights for me:
* juicy Weir guitar on Candyman, Shakedown
*in-your-face "Big Apple" style "Bird Song"
*Drums/Space - my fave part of this show (on first listen). a great night for the rhythm devils- someone (Mickey?) sez "go get em" as Jerry enters for space....

remember that "View from the Vault 4" - with 2 1987 shows? it has a Bird Song, too!

moseying over to Shakedown Stream...

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 06/05/2020 - 22:43

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Great show. Good to hear you all enjoyed it. That finish is something. Morning Dew, Jerry gives it his all. Good Lovin, La Bamba, Good Lovin, pretty sweet. Solid encore.

Had to pull out the liner notes from this show, DL talks about this show as the best of the year. Not sure, but it is really good. I always thought the October Shoreline shows were pretty damn good. Hey Pocky Way!

Send us a pick Otis

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sat, 06/06/2020 - 07:32

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Sorry for the delay. I got a little "too" into the Shakedown Stream last night and fell right asleep on the couch sometime during Drums/Space.

For today, how about something from the Pacific NW box? 6/24/73 Portland sound good? I've sort of lost track of where we've been, so if this is a repeat, I will offer up another suggestion.

Happy Saturday folks!

Peace

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 06/06/2020 - 09:27

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Phew, went hard with the 7/7/89 last night. Oteil another great guest. I don’t know much about him and had never heard him speak before, so really enjoyed. Another amazing 89 show. Ok, going to have to do a double header today, both 9/18/87 and 6/24/73......that’s cool, good day for it.
A little gloomy (rain would be nice, please!....and the misses is at work since their forcing shit open way too early here. Numbers are already going back up, but hey, rich folk just HAVE to come and as Texas is currently a hot spot we’ll look forward to them bringing the plague with them as like half the state comes here for the summer...heaven forbid they couldn’t get their free DVDs and Internet, sorry, anyway its a good day to pump up the noise, ya das good!

Last time I was in step with popular music was the 70s when R&R was just as popular as “pop” music....did really enjoy much of the 90s music though. The rest, eehhhh not so much...

STRIDER: WORD!!