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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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    First of all, what a great thing this vine is!!!!!!!! Everyone should take a step back, now take another step back the people up front are getting squashed. Any lossless vine should be from an original source (ie. original sbd tape or aud recording.) The original recording is a WAV file that is converted to a lossless compression format for the sole purpose of reducing storage space. A lossless compression format (ie flac/shn) reduces the size of a file by approximately 40 to 50 percent without losing any of the original file's information, that is why the format is called lossless. where as a lossy compression format (ie .mp3,.aac,.wma) reduces the file size by approximatley 60 to 90 percent (depending on the bit rate of the compressed file) but the information removed from the original file is lost forever that is why these formats are refered to as lossy. Lossy formats were created for the puropse of being able to have more music in a smaller package. That is why you can get a cd player for your home or car that will play .mp3's .wma's and the like. That is why you can fit several shows on one cd in .mp3 format. Also these lossy formats are the reason I have 32 days of Good Ol Grateful Dead on my Ipod. Apple uses their own lossy compression for the ipod and to be quite honest they sound great. I commute along way , and in my car is where most of my music listening happens. I have a very high end sound system in my car and my Ipod plugs directly into my head unit so I don't have to fumble with thousands of cd's. IMHO you would be hard pressed to sit in my car and hear a phil bomb at 120db and be able to tell if it was a compressed format or not. Lossless compression was developed by audiophiles and was intended to be used for reducing the storage space necessary for storing digital music on a computer while maintaining the integrity of the original file. If you will notice, there are no players aside from a plugin or two for a computer audio player that will play shn or flac files. This is because the formats were developed for archival purposes. I myself copy the flac or shn files to my external hard drive where they stay forever, decompress the files to WAV without deleting the flac or shn, I then import the WAV files into Itunes and compress them into aac file and put them on my Ipod. I then delete the WAV files because they are the largest files which take up the most space and everything is great in my world. I have the music on my Ipod to take with me everywhere I go and I have the lossless file archived on my hard drive. Some people decompress the lossless files and burn the resulting WAV files to cd's or convert them to mp3's to make mp3 cd's or put on a portable mp3 player, it is your choice how you consume the product once you recieve it. Whatever tickles your spot. If you really want to get down to the nitty gritty of the sound quality issue, we should come up with a way to vine on vinyl because the original analog recording on good vinyl with the right record player would put this digital stuff to shame, but it would be impossible to vine this way. I think we should all need to educate ourselves so that we can take advantae of the technology we have (alot of which is free I might add) right at our fingertips for it is this technology that makes this vine possible. I mean really ,all of us remember trading tapes right?? Try to find the ying for your yang!! This beats tape trading hands down and here we have people almost getting hostile over some technology misunderstandings. As for the copy of a copy of a copy of a cd we are dealing with digital format, and I can rip (copy) the WAV files off of a cd and then burn them to a cd again and agian and again with the same results. There are differences in computer software and hardware as well as differences in storage media (cd's dvd's) If you usae a program called Exact Audio Copy (EAC) which is free on the internet and a good burning software like Nero, and you have a good name brand burning drive with quality blank cd's, cd's can be copied with no loss of qualtiy. You are taking an exact copy of the digital information on the cd, and writing the exact same digital information to a new cd. As for the volume differences, most burning software has volume adjustment settings or something called normalize volume for all tracks or something of that nature that if you don't understand how to use this feature or don't know it's being used can have adverse affects on the sound quality of your copies. Again I'm not trying to be condescending in any manner, just informative, but a thorough understanding of the technology and all of the aspects surrounding it will solve the discussions I'm seing on this thread. It's all about education, which is free on the internat reguarding all of the programs (software) formats (flac,shn,.mp3 etc..) and computer hardware. I'm just an old hippy who misses the Grateful Dead and has been taking advantage of this technology for the better part of ten years now!! When I found out I could download high quality recordings of my favorite music, I couldn't learn fast enough!!!! I by no means know it all, but I do have quite a bit of experience with all of these formats and technology. I hope this is helpful in the grand scheme of life, because I know how it is to be jonesing for Jerry licks and god forbid they be sub par sound quality when you get them!!! If I can be of any help to anyone I'm more than willing to help! All that being said, I will say again that no vine listed as losless should be sourced from a lossy file, period! Don't sweat the small stuff, and by the way It's ALL small stuff!!!
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    Its not that big a deal you guys
    Small vines, large vines, wav, flac I like them all and they all have advantages and disadvantages. I'm trying to obtain as many shows as possible and with how long it takes to get vines I think it is nice to get one large one rather than waiting for 2 or 3 smaller ones - you can knock out the entire year of 1977 in what 4 vines?? That's awesome! In addition, along those same lines I prefer flac its just faster and easier all around (especially for large vines, they have to be in flac to even be manageable, plus it is cheaper, I can go on and on). But hey it is also cool opening up a vine with one special show in wav format. I like all the vines and vine formats, keep them coming! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    sure would like to hear MITD say something! :( I hope he is well... "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    big vines v small vines
    If anyone knows how time-consuming and overwelming big vines could be, I do. If I had to do it all over again, maybe I would break them down even further or space them further out. Hindsight. The positives of big vines are less cost (4 DVDs at a time v 4 shipments of 1 DVD each), especially for our European-based brethren, and speedier acquisition of a whole hunk of music. But the sheer enormity can be overwelming and take away the gleeful feeling we should get upon receiving a vine. While big vines are more efficient, perhaps they are like Wal Mart, giving us what we want but leaving us with an empty feeling. As for the whole source controversy, I think we all agree that the seeder should provide all the information he or she has (WAV, Lossless) and avoid MP3. Just like with the official releases and life in general, variety is a good thing. We can pick and choose what we want. Just because I generally eschew officially released compilations (I prepurchased the new Pure Jerry though) and am now firmly planted on the lossless side here, doesn't mean that Rhino or my fellow viners should solely cater to my taste. This is the best community on the net as far as I am concerned and I am proud to be a part of it. In the end, the love we make...
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    I dont have a Mac, but
    There are some resources available: http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html I have a lot of trouble with my wifes Ipod. I have my home stereo conected to my computer ; )
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    I ask myself....
    What would MITD say????? Let's just be. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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    another topic, sort of . . .
    are there any other viners here who use a mac? if so, what program(s) have you found to convert .shn or .flac into burnable .wav files for importing into itunes?
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    I appologise
    i was wrong to cast aspersions - and be negative - it's all a positive thing here, no matter how big or small or what format - i honestly don't know what got into me - sorry.
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    I certainly missed Erickat. Maybe I am old-fashioned, but I convert whatever music I get in the vineyard to Wav for cds for my car, and I also convert it for use on my ipod. I do back up everything that comes to me in flac form on my external hard drive, but I almost never listen through my computer. So I guess I appreciate both formats. What I do not appreciate is people telling other people what or how they should vine. If someone prefers wav cds, cool for them. They do not need to be told to enter this century. If I want to convert a flac vine to wav bc I was asked to do so by people, that is my perogative. If that makes me old-fashioned, so be it. I think we all know that a very wise man said once a note leaves his guitar it is no longer his and people are free to do whatever they like with the music. The same should be true with vines. Once it is out there it is not really proprietary to the viner, it belongs to the vineyard. As to the mega-vines, I believe Dstache's efforts were heroic and I was happy to contribute to the 77 vine. However, my personal preference is for smaller, theme-based vines that surprise me with their creativity and the occassional show that I have been pining for. On the other hand, there are others who prefer to get it all at once. Indeed, a wise lady has said that there is room in the vineyard for all types of vines. So, in conclusion Erickat, you are greatly appreciated. Derek, you are greatly appreciated. In fact, everybody that contributes to and participates in the Vineyard is greatly appreciated. Lets not lose sight of how amazing it is that we can hear our favorite music long after it was created. Peace to everybody! "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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    The 68 lossless vine has been posted, as has the final part of the 1973 lossless vine (which I forgot about in my last post). That leaves only the remainder of the 1977 lossless vine outstanding from me. I will probably wait a week or two before working on this as I need a little break and have some other commitments. Oh Yeah and/or other MAC users, get back to me about changing my burning speed or whatever the problem is and I will change it before burning the final parts to the 1977 vine.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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I am still around but I'm gonna sit back and relax a little, maybe sign up for a vine here or two. I have more stuff than I know what to do with. :-) Been busy on other projects. I'll be checkin in a few days a week.
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got this shn/flac business down pat.. haha need some pointers on making better copies of videos Nero? thanks to all my good friends here!!!
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just posted. Sorry it took so long!
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Thanks cosmicbadger for all that work!
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Once I mail out Red Rocks 83 and Soldier Field 1995 that will be it for me for awhile. Kinda weird I'm leaving the vineyard seeding the last Grateful Dead show. However, there will be a few more vines coming out that I would have a part in but I will not be seeding. It is with great regret that I am removing myself from the vines I have just signed on. In addition. if there are any vines that I am on that get restarted, you can skip over my name or put me on the bottom of the list. I will be on an extended hiatus from the vineyard. Much thanks goes to Ltapilot, JackstrawfromColorado, stuman, and dstache to name a few of the actives here who have really done something amazing here. This is a great community with great ppl and great music. I'll check in once in awhile so I hope to see you guys around but until then, listen to the music play.
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don't forget to come back after that hiatus! take care!
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Thanks for guiding me in the right direction here at the Vineyard. Hope to see you back soon
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Drop on in and say hi every now and then.This place can be one more shining facet in a full and joyful life. Thanks for all you have done to keep the music going out to the community. We are all on the bus, just at different stations. Peace Rick Reach out your hand if your cup be empty If your cup is full may it be again
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Take care and be well. Thanks for all your great work here in the vineyard. It is much appreciated! Joe
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Don't disappear for good! I have found it harder and harder to make it on here myself. I am hoping to spread another vine or 2 before I ride off into the sun set. =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Apparently any postage going to Canada is on hold since the post office is on strike. I guess this goes for outgoing mail as well. So the Furthur Fest 2010, Warfield 1980, and Garcia and Saunders 73 are stuck in the Terrapin State for a little while longer. Sorry for the delay.
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I am burned out...but I am still here and check in once a day. I have accumulated so much "stuff" here thanks to everyone. From an organizational standpoint, I am completely disorganized and need to take a time out and burn some of this flac stuff to CDRs to listen to. I am still here, not just signing up for a lot of vines.
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Hope you're having a grateful summer brother! Keep those flacs a burnin! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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The government has stepped in and ordered Canada Post to get back to work. I have received mail this week. If any vines are in the mail, there might be delays. But I will be prompt in turning them around. Sorry guys.
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Thanks for taking the time to help me get started on here. Take care and I plan on being here for awhile, so cya when you get back!
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Just a heads up. I was camping over the long weekend and got back earlier today, just to rush off to work. I had a couple pkgs in my mail I surmise to be vines. I will rip them tonight and do proper turnarounds tomorrow. I have the tivoli video ready to go to Zep and also a pkg ready for Decola. Thanks for your patience guys. Also, I extracted the Tivoli files, burned a DVD and included it in with the original files, so someone can now just copy DVD if they choose. Anyways, I'll make proper posts when things are in motion tomorrow. Thanks all!! Big ups to to the seeders of all these new vines!! Excited and appreciated
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Hey everyone i will be taking a break for awhile just getting busy around here and i am using any free time towards learning to tape shows... so maybe i can seed some next year...so long for now and THANKS to all who have expanded my collection of shows....hugs to all
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Are you gonna send out the vines you're sitting on like nov 72 and 3 from 75 before you hiatus? Good luck with taping. Bless the tapers!!
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Unless someone didn't post, noonie has parts 2 and 3 of the 1969 vine as well. I hope these get sent out before the self imposed hiatus as I have sent at least a few PM's checking on status of the 2 vines I follow him.
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Canada has been receiving postage (as Poncho said) and I just sent mine off to him today.Furthur Fest 2010, Warfield 1980, and Garcia and Saunders are enroute to the Great White North today.
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I know maustin has been on and off here as of late. He used to be a good viner and I remember months back weird things happened here in the vineyard. Birdsong had some issues come up and some vines were lost on him (if I remember correctly) which is very out of character for him. LIG71 showed up, signed up and disappeared again. Smileydave was put in the hospital and his nephew came onto post to let us know of it (I hope Dave is doing alright. Anyone heard from him?). Longrifle has a couple vines stuck on him and I know Canada had some postal issues but still let us know if you have any or passed them on. maustin started a couple of vines and then something happened with him too and now, as ADAWGWYO posted he posts once in while but no response to any pm's. I've sent him a couple and I've offered to send him his own copies of vines he has signed on so he won't hold them up and he has taken the offer for the 1972 vines I reseeded/started (with a little help from my friends) months ago now. He has responded semi-recentrly saying he is doing better but he doesn't say anything about the vines he has/will be receiving so idk whats up. All I can say is we had a similar issue before with vines being sent and no update as to of where there were sent to or whether they were received. So please for any vine pm the next in line (unless you know for sure they are active which I think we are down to around 10 ppl now) and the older vines that get reseeded pm anyone after you, whether or not they are active cause if enough time passes, some of us aquire copies through other means. Sorry for the long winded rant but I and other long time vineyard users have seen the same thing. This wasn't meant to blast anybody just provide a heads up of some ppl who may need to be dropped down on the list until they are ready to receive the vine.
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Hey Jake. Are you still going to leave for awhile? This summer I am swamped. I have been on other projects. I have been looking for bigfoot, doing a bunch of firearms youtube videos, and just all-around staying busy. But I am still here on the sideline.
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I am still taking a break. I just have very lil free time now and tryin to smooth some things out before i go. Have a good summer everyone
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But it is a hard message to get out to everyone so we'll always have these issues. Anyways ... hope everyone is having a grateful summer... =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I will be out of town tomorrow through Sunday. I have 2-3 vines right now and should have the two more from ADAWGWYO by the time I get back that I will need to send out. I will get all of those copied and out very quickly when I return and if I have time I will get them out tomorrow before I leave. Anyway, just wanted to let you know you won't be hearing from me for about 5 days. Everyone have a great rest of the week and weekend!
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I got an e-mail from deadnet about gathering of the vibes and somehow I clicked or did something, and I ended up at the Further page. I can't remember. Holy crap. I saw they are playing here, about 3 miles away next week so I just got a ticket for the lawn--not too expensive :-) . I have not followed Further, although I got some of their shows, so this was a huge shock. Glad I looked. Almost missed the bus.
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there you go! have fun!!
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take a few pictures and post 'em!
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Dude what the heck you waiting for?? =) Get your butt on that Furthur bus man!! I bet you will be pleasently surprised. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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There is a relatively new upgrade to 10/14/77, sbd.miller.110419, that I would very much like, if anyone has it. Also, the 77 megavine did not include 10/15/77. The best version looks like sbd.cotsman.19154 if anyone has that. My WAV copy isn't right; maybe it is the other version. PM me if you want to trade. Thanks!
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Lots of strange things going on with this web-site...can't log on, avatar gone, can't upload photos....can't send PMs.....etc I guess the folks at deadnet are doing upgrads or something
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this too will pass, but it's happening for me too, if that's any consolation!
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> Lots of strange things going on with this web-site...can't log on, avatar gone, can't > upload photos....can't send PMs.....etc Wow, what a relief. I thought it was just me. I can't log OUT, and I don't think I'm receiving all my PM's. Everyone's avatar is gone. Can't see any new posts in the Vineyard since the NY Eurotour a couple days ago. Hope I'm not holding anyone up. Peace, Chris
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Whewww. Glad that's over. Well, I have some vines and I need to send some out and update. I put everything on hold until things got back on-line. Hope all is well and I'll get everything updated tonight when I get home from work. Peace
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avatars gone....and I am now getting "thread subscription" sent to my e-mail. :-(
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Ok. You can unsubscribe from the e-mail notitifications.... :-) I get "notified" from so many list I am on; I just don't need to be "notified" about posts here....however it may come in handy monitoring a vine..
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Is there a way to turn off, or prevent, the new "improved" e-mail notifications? The "Unsubscribe" feature rarely works and usually results in an error message. Please advise! Best Wishes-Jimmy
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Or whatever they did really screwed this site up. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"
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my first thought was, "they're doing a dry run for how they're going to handle the end of Aug. going into the E72 shipment." :-) :-) ;-)...... they better not!
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Please fix the UNSUBSCRIBE feature in the "New, Improved, Annoying!" e-mail feature!! I really don't need my inbox clogged with every comment made on certain vines!! Best Wishes-Jimmy
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we have stopped the onslaught on this. Sorry for the trouble.
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As I click on any forum topic or vine it opens in a new window ? It's never done this before,, could it be my phone ? Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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in the Some Missing Pieces of 1972 Vine thread but I'll post it here as well. There is a new aud tape of 6/17 that came to light in July of this year which is a vast improvement to the circulating copy and the COMPLETE show. The taper has sent it to Charlie Miller so he can work his magic on it. In the meantime check out the new aud here:http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-06-17.GratefulDead1972-06-17
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Would love to see it vined when Charlie releases it. Thanks!
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that copies of the 6-7-2011 Experiments at Talampais Research Institute are starting to circulate. The copy I have is ripped from a dvr, sounds good though.
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Hey all I have been a little behind the past month and haven't been quick to turn around some vines. I know I have the Clapton and bicentennial vines to go out tomorrow. Other than that I have about 20 vines that I believe no one has signed up for after me, so if I have one that you are waiting on please let me know. thanks and I appreciate everything everyone does on here!
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Hi everyone !! well after a year of being out on this big road i finally was able to get a brand new laptop ,, whoo hoo for me .. now im getting back up to where i was,, using my phone for a wifi hot spot im back to downloading and can get on dead.net more often,, hmm i think i smell a new vine from me in the near future .. bty im still out here on the road but whatever vines i sing up for will be handled just the same as they used to be..hope all is well on the east coast ,, take care folks !! Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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Hey Stu. Stay safe and keep truckin
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...not finding the most recent vinedex that Cosmic Badger did back in June?? His post is there, with nothing under it!?!?