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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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September 18, 2023 - 11:37am

#851

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Ok, back to Europe

Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?
September 18, 2023 - 10:34am

#852

Oroborous

Joined:
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More shows

That’s all I ment.
Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
Like most things, no easy answers.
It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
A well, it’s early still…
September 18, 2023 - 9:17am

#853

DeadVikes

Joined:
October 26, 2016

Releases

Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.
September 18, 2023 - 8:46am

#854

1stshow70878

Joined:
September 11, 2014

Box discussion

I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
Cheers
Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.
September 18, 2023 - 7:44am

#855

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Y’all are missing the point…

I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
Their not going to do this forever!!!
For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
My plan,
25 for primal 67-70
15 for 71
20 for 72
20 for 73 (at least!
? 74 might just be mostly scraps
20? for 76? Maybe
77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
20 for 78
20 for 79 and 80
20 for 81 & 82
20 for 83 & 84
20 for 85 & 86
20 for 87 & 88
20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
20 for 91 & 92
20 for 93-95
These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
You could still make them “limited”…
Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
Tic toc…
September 18, 2023 - 2:44am

#856

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Winterland 74 box

Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !
September 17, 2023 - 2:21pm

#857

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
With all the video included.

I’ll take mini-Boxes.
3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
Sounds like a grate plan to me.
September 17, 2023 - 12:42pm

#858

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Winterland

Agree..

Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

Wars have been fought for less.

Oh, the horror.
September 16, 2023 - 3:46pm

#859

wilfredtjones

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Winterland Box(es)

Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978
September 16, 2023 - 9:35am

#860

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Stuck in the mud…

Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
ONWARD!

NO MORE MINI BOXES!
Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

John Perry Barlow

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

6/12/1980

Started this morning and getting back to it now. Sound quality is really good. Thanks GOGD. Charlie Miller, the Dead should hire him!

Great show, Lost Sailor-SOC, yes. Scarlet Fire, really good. Again these shows have a different vibe. Give me some more 1979-80.

Otis, yes, I think we have moved to unofficial releases in the mix. We should be able to get a good mix of both official and unofficial.

For me personally, if the sound quality is not great, I will just pass. I spent way too much time in 1980s listening to marginal cassettes to not enjoy the treasures Dick, Dave and Co have blessed us with in the last 20 plus years.

Have a good night all.

Well Oiled Machine

PITB > UJB. You can tell when all the cylinders are firing cleanly. Very nice.

Can't wait for the Dew.

5/11/91

I am late watching this tonight, but holy shit this is good. We get a Half Step, on of my favorites Wang Dang Doodle, Queen Jane, Bird Song. Sounds really good in my system. Love Phil's turtle neck sweater looks sweet. Jerry is looking and playing really well. Maybe 91 is underated?

We definitely still need some Shoreline shows released.

91

Perhaps the last "consistently" good year. Bruce brought energy and professionalism and seemed to inspire Jerry.

When Jerry's voice held out and he and Bruce were on, it could be very, very good.

Fun Stuff

Some good listening this week.

Thanks for checking out the 6/12/80 upgrade with me yesterday.
I'd only previewed it but that was the first time I had a chance to really listen to it and it's a big improvement over the skeevy out of phase SBD that circulated previously until this month.
Nice way to celebrate that shows 30th anniversary with a newly restored recording. (Thanks Charlie!)
Cheers and thanks for tripping through it with me.

Last night's Shakedown Stream was fun. Haven't paid much attention to that show and video hasn't been released so it was almost like seeing / hearing it for the first time and I dug it. Especially liked that Bird Song, OMSN S2 opener (I knew you'd be stoked VGUY) and the PITB > UJB.

You can definitely hear how much Bruce drove the band in that period, but you could see it too last night.
And yes Spring - Summer '91 has some hidden gems in there for sure.
It's fun digging through that stuff to find them, cause they're quite surprising and refreshing and make you want to hunt for more:)

Dug 5/28/77 To Terrapin relisten.. but was still coming down from 10/12/68 and was a bit distracted, I'm not sure why I've never given that release as much attention as it deserves, great show, great artwork, PITB, May '77.. and yet I forget about it. Thanks for the reminder, it's a cool release.

And I dug going back to Shoreline '90 this week too.. Summer '90, that was fun!

Some how this morning I stumbled into Summer '93.. 6/6/93 to be exact. It's pretty fun so far.
BTW speaking of digging for treasure. There's a cool pocket of surprisingly good shows from December '92 - June '93.

It's not Plinky Keys but it's the GOGD and it's fun.
(What do you call Vince's keyboard sound btw, Clown Town?)

Alright, who's listening to what today?

Yea.. I double vision that

What's in store for today? No show yet?

Who's in charge anyway.. we have become completely dependent on you kind folks to pick the shows for us today.. I'd like to speak to the person in charge please!!

Somebody throw out a date.. and one that has some umph as I am in the beginning stages of what will be come a summer long home improvement project. Productivity is key. :D

Many thanks.

If we are not sick of 1980.. I have an idear, but you guys are doing such a good job I hate to interfere with a good thing.

Just as I thought

Nobody's in charge. Nobody for president? (said in my best 1984 voice).

How about either Dave's Picks 8 or one of the two RFK shows that were released last year or the year before or something from the Giants Box?? Dave's #8 is fantastic and haven't heard much about it lately, but if we have already had our fill of 1980, how about a quite decent late 80's multi-track?

Just spitballing.. until this nobody person stands up and show's some real leadership.

Just as I thought

Nobody's in charge. Nobody for president? (said in my best 1984 voice).

Just spitballing.. until this nobody person stands up and show's some leadership.

today's pick

Yes, Jim we have a leadership vacuum. Like a herd of cats. Dave's 8 sounds great and so do the Giants box shows, maybe 91 would be good after last nights Shakedown. I wonder why the Charlotte 12/10/73(DL8) show never gets any love. Anyone have any thoughts on this show? I don't remember any discussions of this show ever. It looks great on paper: fall 73, in between the celebrated Cleveland and Tampa shows, a charming southern city. Why no love?

The Situation Is The Boss

You know I really like listening to Steve Parish!

Alright, I like where this is going:)

And it would Appear that the Situation is making leaders appear.

In regards to what is mentioned here, I like the sound of 12/10/73 as like stated, that is overlooked for sure, I had to go look and see. Let's do it!

1980-11-30 - DaP V8 was picked way back in April 19th 2020 based on my notes, and '73 is good for Home Repairs :)

Nice work you guys, you are Boss!

Shall we go
12/10/73?
While we can..

Good thing GOGD is keeping notes

No repeats necessary when there is such a plethora to choose from.

Happened to fire up 6-17-91 in the car last night coming home from work, and now I’m about to go to the grocery store, so I will continue listening. Won’t finish the show today so the remainder will be driving on Monday.

Sounds like 12-10-73 will be my grilling and beering music tonight.

Grilling & Beering

CONEKID!
Yeah, I had a lapse for a month, and regretted it when I went to catch up. So now I'm on the daily.

Need to put it into Excel file or Google Docs or something.

Maybe one of you geeks can recommend a good method on that
(BTW don't anyone take that personally, I'ma geek too, look who's taking notes ;)

12/10/73 Promised Land here I come!
(after some nice Set 1 ditties and a 21 Minute PITB that is)

12/10/73

Yes! why not - let's give this underdog a chance! Queueing up for today's outdoor quarantine escape. (I love using the word "queue"!)

Awesome...

12.10.73 it is. It looks like someone is in charge.

# Someone 2020.

Ended up listening to NRPS while I made breakfast. Did an outdoor project and carried it out with me. Palate change over, time for GOGD.

12/10/73

12/10/73 it is. Never heard this show.

We also did the RFK shows a while back.

But we should definitely take a look at the Giants box again.

Fun Facts

Here's your up to the minute 12/10/73 report:

Released Dec. 6, 2005

Features a majority of this show.
Prior to release the show didn't circulate.
The last three songs showed up in circulation in 2002.

Missing 5 songs reportedly due to sub par sonics as follows:
Set 1 - Jack Straw, Tennessee Jed, El Paso, BEW
Set 2 - MAMU

First Peggy-O
First Split Sugar Magnolia

Fun lil show. (for '73 in the '90s this woulda been a Monster:)

Definitely dug the PITB, Eyes > Brokedown (shoulda done that more often.. ie like every time).

Enjoy!

Well

In my defense, I sometimes have a hard time keeping up. ..but come to think of it I believe I caught most of DaP 8 and forgot.

Ok, done my chores, made dinner and cleaned up.. time to relax. I think I might open a bottle of red, chill and get into this show.

DaP 8....

....mkay

12/10/73

Thanks for the notes, GOGD. They fill in some crucial gaps. I wondered what the heck was the deal with the Peggy-O. Now it makes sense, it was a first performance. Then Weir interrupts with " have a safe and sane 4th". There must have been some real fireworks for Bobby to interrupt like that. An excellent Deal, with Keith's piano the highlight for me.
The PITB sounded a bit tentative to me on a first listen, like everyone was waiting for something to happen. But Garcia's shimmering liquid tone is in fine 1973 form. I liked it better on a second listening. Keith switches to electric near the end and Phil gets more aggressive. I'll need to spend some more time with this one!
A fine Row Jimmy, now onto set 2...

Thank Goodness Gulum is on top of things

And without GOGD, we would be lost.

(I like being lost, I seek it).

12/10/73

Yes, it's a fine lil show. I guess its fair to say it doesn't quite reach the heights of our favorite 73 shows. I think the PITB is essential, but then I think that of every 73 PITB I've ever heard. It's nice to listen to an earthbound 73 show occasionally. I think it gives some context for the stratospheric shows.

Holy Anniversary Bat Man!

There are a lot of shows in circulation that happened on June 14th.
And all of them are looking pretty darn good.
Here are my top anniversary suggestions for a possible pick of the day today -
6/14/84 Red Rocks
6/14/85 Greek (20th Anniversary show)
6/14/91 VFTV II

I'm leaning toward 6/14/85 at the Greek, cuz I love '85 and it's 35th Anniversary of their 20th Anniversary show.. which that starts to twist my mind on how strange that is.

Anyhow.. here's a list of recordings of shows played on this day in history.

Releases:
6/14/68 - Fillmore 69 Box (One Bonus Song = Caution)
6/14/76 - June 76 Box (Relistened 5/26/20, I think)
6/14/91 - VFTV II

SBD:
6/14/69
6/14/84
6/14/85
6/14/87
6/14/92
6/14/94

AUD Only:
6/14/68 (partial)
6/14/80

So do you want to Get Rocked at Red Rocks '84, Peak At The Greek '85, Rip It Up at RFK '91, or are you Seeking The Beacon '76.

Or is there another clever rhyme you wanna make up for what you're gonna listen too?

Anyhow, there it is, btw the Audience of 6/14/68 at Fillmore West is really quite cool and pretty damn good for '68 (meaning rough, but if you're a head you can do it)... Early St. Stephen (Actually The Eleven > St. Stephen!), Alligator > Lovelight > Caution... Far out. Summer '68 is very underrepresented.. no tapes, but an intrepid traveler managed to tape this one :)

Great Pick yesterday Gollum, I gave it the once over twice and really enjoyed it!

6/14/85

6/14/85 Greek Theatre it is GOGD.
Started and it is sounding good. Thanks!

Grilling and beering with 12-10-73

It was a good time, sitting on the deck, quaffing Oberons.....
Had several, now don’t really remember that much about the show except that I liked the PITB and wondered if it would be possible to clean up this show with a Plangent remaster.
Put that on the to do list for after remaining unreleased quality reels get the Plangent/Norman treatment.

Going to do more sitting in the deck today and roast some coffee beans.

It was 55 Years Ago Today.. Sgt. Pepper Told The Band To Play

Goin' To Peak At The Greek!

6/14/85 has always been a favorite of mine..

I was having a hard time narrowing it down to 3.. Love that Red Rocks '84 too.

Stoked!

ICECRMCNKD - Haha.. Grilling and Beering will do that! Yeah, I listened to that PITB 3 times and the Eyes > Brokedown, digging that stuff fo sure.

And away we go.

Never Take Your Eyes Off The Guy To Your Left Or Your Right

It’s Nice To Be Doing Something…

Always really liked the Pre-Show Press Conference for this show -
https://archive.org/details/gd1985-06-14.148769.nak700.severson.miller…

Susanna Millman mentions the great picture of the band she took glaring at the press after the stupid question about drugs. I wish I would've picked up a copy of her out-of-print Alive With The Dead book.... darn.

Susana states -
The reporter next to me (clearly not a DeadHead) questioned them as to whether they were on drugs, and they ignored his repeating this question twice but when he got really loud the third time, they all stared directly at him, faces stone cold but on the verge of cracking up!

I've been looking for a good quality video of the Press conference, I've got some skeevy excerpts.
If anybody has a line on that, lmk.

The Miller upgrade from 2016 of this is sounding good -
https://archive.org/details/gd1985-06-14.135656.sbd.miller.flac1648

Alright, have fun!

6/14/85

I enjoyed that interview! especially the parts about the passage of time and the Wagner. I remember really liking this show back in the day...I'll plan on spinning it later.

Today's Pick

How does 3/28/73 sound to you all?

Dave's Picks #16.

6/14/85, fun show. Enjoyed it. Sound quality from the version I listened to from relisten was good. Different version of Dancing. Truckin, Smokestack Lighting!

Dave's 16

Cumberland opener? Sounds good to me!

Greek 85 was a blast!

This is the best place on the internet.

Peace

Cumberland opener

The mix is spotty on the board, right in a place where Jerry is starting to catch fire. I'll have to check out the AUD. Anyone know if there is a good matrix of this one?

Gotta Get Down

'73 sounds good to me!

WILFREDTJONES - There's a Matrix, but the audience recording of Cumberland is missing the first 4 minutes or so, so not sure it would fix your ills.

https://archive.org/details/gd1973-03-28.sbd.mtx.tobin.86833.sbeok.flac…

Looking forward to this one and might have to try and revisit Night 2 of the Greek '85, I know I wanna hear Night 3 tomorrow...

Happy Monday!

RE: OROBOROUS Shoreline?

OB - Are you gonna Anniversary Trip Shoreline '90 this week?

Might try and get in there.. sheeeeaattt there's too much Dead to listen too!

Love that problem.

3/28/73

My last east coast Grateful Dead concert. Very rowdy crowd that night.

STRIDER

Last one on the East Coast.

Was that a conscious decision based on your experience at the show?

As usual, is there more to this story.. inquiring minds would like to know for our readers ;)

BTW - Thanks to the nice "Trail" you left me, I believe I have found the appearances.
Still having trouble picking you out in the Grateful Dead Movie.
Thanks Man, that was fun!

GOGD 6/15

Yeah, going to try and do Shoreline 90, and Greek 85...but damn the Scooby Doo house is perhaps my favorite Dave’s so...Doooaahh! I have so much “grown up” shit I need to do, including phone calls, but I’ll try and at least throw em on while I’m working...I’ll prolly give one the full treatment, the question is which one!

EDIT: dug 6/14/85 yesterday. Don’t think I’ve ever heard the first set, I’ve had the second set probably since 85 or 86, another gem picked up from ole Fred and Barry out at Sundance books back in downtown metropolitan Geneseo NY. Buzzo’s Music store used to be next door. Buzzo was a real character, his commercials were like “Buzzo, Buzzo, Buzzo”, and he had the best prices on JBL E 120 guitar speakers (what Jerry used).
Don’t think Buzzo is still there but I believe Sundance is....man that’s going back a ways in the ole memory bank, good times. Used to spark one up and take the leisurely country drive with ole Chuck to get fresh tapes from Sundance, kinda like Christmas!

RUH-ROH!

Jinkies!

Don't be scared Shaggy, but that's a lot of Dead

Scooby Doo house, that's too funny :)

Scooby Doo house

I think Keithfan 2112 came up with that.? He likes to name shows...

C'Mon Gang We've Got A Mystery To Solve

RE: OB - I like Source information, especially if it reads:

Soundboard > Master Reel > Dat.

Nice One Keithfan.. if you are indeed the originator of this funny little ditty.

I'm In

I love this show. One of my favorite Dave's picks. Scooby Doo House indeed.

Waterbury

This must sound fucking boring by now. If you look at the Waterbury concert page from a few years ago I wrote about being there those two nights, let me reiterate . I had been living in western Oregon after high school graduation that summer. My amazing mom died a few days before the Waterbury shows from cancer. Had to winter in Ct. to help my grieving WW-2 vet father (mess Sargent in Patton’s army). Very difficult time for me being only 18.
First day of Waterbury I rode up with friends Don H and Tom B. Went to a rodeo the afternoon before the concert that night. A rodeo in Connecticut of all places. A couple hours before the show I knocked on the back stage door and talked with Joe Winslow , told him I’d been living in Oregon and he let me in. I’m sitting in the empty theater when Ron Rakow looks at me and says to Winslow “who the fuck is this?”. And Joe Winslow tells him “back off! He’s a good guy”. Joe being one of the Pendleton boys looked out for me. I guess he appreciated me having been in Oregon for a few weeks. On a side bar Ken Kesey once talked about all the Grateful Dead roadies who were natives of Pendleton and joked about writing a book about them called “Place of Dead Roadies”, a spoof on the William Burroughs book “Place of Dead Roads”. The second night I showed up soon before they opened the doors and my friends Greg and the Weibel sisters who had been sitting in line for several hours let me cut in with them. In my post from several years ago I had the opening song listed wrong, but it was the only Dead show I ever attended when the Dead were on the stage playing as people first started streaming in, running to find good seats. Schwing (real name) and Bolton were also there. I went home after with my first love Cricket. Fast forward to early April 73 when I made it back to the promised land and then returned to Oregon. “We come with the dust and go with the wind”.
Now how do I collect 13 years of my posts off this site to put under one cover.

One last note. Dave Chapelle 8:46 on YouTube has gotten 17 million views in three days since he posted it. Extremely powerful!
Will make grown man cry.

GOGD/6/15/90

Maybe best of the Cali June 90 so far? Seemed a little more energized than Cal Expo? Remember nothing of this one, but not sure why (yeah right!) as it’s a good one. Good H-S-F opener, Desolation Row, rest of the usual suspects all good...
2nd: nice Scarlet/Fire, Blow Away ok, but perhaps like Hornsby was saying last Friday about his and other songs, sometimes, eventually, the band was starting to be a tad over this one? Same with 7/16/90, it’s ok, but this song definitely seemed to peak in 89, imho...same with this Women Are, good, but not quite up with the 89s?, did dig the weird jam though. Didn’t get to engage in the rest as much, had it cranked doing housework... but don’t recall anything notable, either pro/con, just another solid, enjoyable 90 show! Lol, makes that sound like a bad thing! Words...we should be able to communicate without them!
Ok, on to 6/15/85, not sure I’ll get to Scooby Doo house today, but I listen to that one often so no biggie.

Tomorrow 6/16/85, and video of 6/16/90 tomorrow night in the theatre...in case anyone’s interested..

STRIDER

It's not boring to me!

Must've been such a great time to be seeing shows.

Still kicking around Oregon?

Always been fascinated with the Oregon Dead connection and the impact Kesey and fam had on the 60s, San Francisco, and Oregon. Pretty wild stuff. That guy having so much impact on our world.

It was cool to watch Sunshine Days again, it'd been awhile.

And speaking of impact, 8:46 is definitely a heavy trip. Powerful stuff for sure.

RE: OROBOROUS 6/15/90

The last notes of JBG from the ole Scooby Doo house just faded out. That show is sick! One of the better DaPs?

So you helped me decide what up next. Best of Cali June '90 so far.. I like the sound of that.
The bands tuning up as we speak, write, whatever you call this.
You probably called this based on the tuning.. sounds like some excited fans know what to expect.

Yeah, looking forward to 6/16/85 fo SURE... first Cryptical since 9/23/72 Waterbury CT.
Was just talking about that show with STRIDER.
Ah serendipity

I was debating King Solomon’s Marbles for my Top 10 too, couldn't decide and figured I should add some songs with lyrics. But it's up there in the tops for me as well.

What's this theatre you speak of? I need to check out 6/16/90 again too.

This Slipknot! is midi-trippy Good stuff!

Dave's #16 3/28/73

This one seems to get better each time I listen to it. Maybe I am just appreciating the music more?
Almost five years since this was released.
Love the Cumberland opener, then into HCS. Really good. Another wonderful sixteen song first set. Really like this Half Step, Jerry's guitar sounds so pure. WRS prelude into Dark Star, Eyes than Playing! Love this show and you were there Strider, wow, really cool.

We should have Dave's 35 announced in roughly a month. Can't wait. No clue what it will be but I have my money on an eighties release.

Recent listens

As I have been acquiring releases in bunches, two of my recent additions are DP 32 (8/7/82) and DP 21 (11/1/85). I haven't been able to give them a proper listen until recently ( a rare benefit of the the COVID-19 lock down). I have to say I liked them both on the first go around. I knew DP 32 was wrought with sound/mixing issues but overall it was a good show. As for 11/1/85, I dug it and I am finding that I am really liking the 85 shows. In comparison to my usual listening of 69-77 or 89-91 eras, they are good shows, different, but still good. I need to check out the Riverbend 6/24/85 show from 30 Trips. I have heard good reviews on that and it also has a Cryptical.

1985

GRATEFULHAN - There's definitely some good stuff in the early 80s.

And FWIW, Summer '85 is a blast.

The 6/24/85 Riverbend release has always been a favorite, but don't stop there.
6/25 Blossom, 6/27 SPAC, 6/28 Hershey Park, 6/30 & 7/1 Merriweather. A highly recommended tour and a really fun run of tapes.

And speaking of, today is the anniversary of 6/16/85 and the brief return of Cryptical Envelopment.

Highly recommended because it's fun!

DEADVIKES - Calling an '80s release for the next DaP?
You heard it here first folks!

OROBOROUS - Dude, dug 6/15/90. Especially that interesting jam after He's Gone into Drums. Fast paced Scarlet > Fire and the opening HSF were tops. Good times!!

Alright, started up the 6/16/85 show and Bob's talkin' Walkin' Blues and it sounds fresh.. because it is in '85.

Summer 85

Gratefulhan: what GOGD said! And don’t forget 7/13/85, at least the first set. The band, the hills around them, everything’s on FIRE! If nothing else, be sure to check out 6/27,28,30, but the whole tour is good. Summer 85 is like this nice little oasis between the eras you mention. I’m extremely biased because it was probably my most fun year, but I love the music too, worts and all. There’s something dangerous and exciting. They often really go for it and at times your sure their going to jump the track, but they usually pull it off. I guess it’s they A++ for effort versus safe but perfect execution?

Ok, have to finish 6/15/85, then the mighty 6/16/85, and later, I’m going fire up the 6/16/90 DVD tonight on the big screen.

Greek Box

I know that it has been mentioned numerous times in the past, but it is WAY past due for TPTB to collect these Greek shows, shine em' up, and give us a Greek Box, a la The Giants Box. Looking at their history, they could go in a number of ways. I would like to see maybe 2 boxes, Greek 1: 1981-1985, and Greek 2: 1986-1989. Choose the BEST overall show from each year, 4 shows per box.

Or, make it a bigger box with all 8? I don't know, but I do know that I want it. Or hell, it looks like they played the Greek 27 times...

This 85 show is slaying me right now, and I'm only 4 songs into the 1st set! I'm glad Brent eventually got invited to the party 1/2 through "Walkin's Blues" :) Another hot pick!

Peace

EDIT: I suppose Box 1 would be 5 shows, not 4... maybe add a fifth show from 86-89 to even it out :)

RE: Greek Box

OTIS - Glad you're peaking at the Greek with us.

So upon revisiting these old favorites from Berkeley June '85 I've decided the following:
Are they the hottest thing ever? No.
Does Jerry's voice sound pretty shot? Yes.
Is it the bands 20th Anniversary and despite adversity and multiple challenges do the band rise to meet the occasion? Yes.
Do they break out Cryptical Envelopment after 13 years of not playing it on the last night of the run? Yes, yes they do.
Are these 3 shows enjoyable? Definitely.

Finishing up Night 2 now.. wasn't able to get to it on it's anniversary. And really all 3 nights are cool.

I'd be slightly disappointed if they chose to release one of these and not the other 2.

That being said, I'm pretty sure the tapes we have are from the Cassette Master which, as far as we know, is what's in the Vault.

So the big question, as I see it, would be how much would the plangent process increase the quality?
And I'd be happy to find out the answer to that question.

I'm not holding my breath. So in the meantime, I say, dust off or grab these 3 SBDs from your nearest Charlie Miller source and open up a copy of the Taper's Compendium V2 and enjoy a little bootleg box set glory!

Ain't no time to wait...

85 Greek continued

6/15&16/85: finished it up 15th this AM. Have had this full show, but only second set of first night, and have never heard the 16th until today! Some what mixed bag like much of 85. “85 is like a box of chocolates, most good, some you get that one ingredient you don’t like, and a few are dosed”) 😎
Though the first and last nights prolly look more sexy on paper: Keep on Growing, last Stagger Lee 82, last Comes a time 80, Set opening Dew, and the Cryptical etc., I think maybe the second night is the best played overall? And we get a FOTD, scorching Might as Well, and of course yet another sweet She Belongs to Me. I’d definitely say it’s between the first 2, as the last night seems less tight? JG definitely having some issues from like Cryptical on..
Yes it’s cool as hell to hear it, (though I want to find a Aud version to hear the crowd go nuts, they sure did in Meriwether!) But Jer does not sound very confident so it’s not all it could be. After something going on? Brokedown ends it on a good note at least.
Yeah, this 16th is a classic 85 roller coaster. Wharf Rat a good example: Jer’s stumbling, but Brents organ and some of Bob and Brents harmonies are amazing. Yeah, shits all over the place sometimes lol.
Never made it to the Greek, but from all accounts and documentation I imagine it was top shelve, so seeing a weekend of these shows at that venue....I can barely imagine. Well it sure was fun. Haven’t really checked these out in a while (or at all), but my recollection is the heart of the summer tour is more so where the meat and potatoes are? Hope to confirm that as I’m going to try and do this tour starting next weekend. I mean what the hell, it’s the 35 anniversary of probably my favorite?, craziest (definitely), most fun (probably), tour!
Tonight Vault View 3 I believe it is, from 6/16/90. Hit the last Shoreline 90 mañana, then need some 70s in between, perhaps revisit the 76 box fir a good deep brain scrub, then everybody into the pwuel, cause summer 85 is back and the time is right for dancin in the streets....unless perhaps your African American cause they’ll look ya up for that shit in some places! Harumph!

EDIT: always glad to have brother Otis along for the ride! The more the merrier eh!