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  • #6651
    wilfredtjones
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    You know it's on Dave's radar as he has played some of it on 30 Days in past years. Good show and one of my first tapes. Keep the stories coming! :-)

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    Oroborous
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    So after basically staying up for 2 days at SPAC, we finally pack it up and hit the road the next day. I believe it was a rainy, gloomy day most of the day. But that didn’t stop our idiot patrol from basically racIng at high speed through the fine but conservative state of Pennsytuckey, where they were one of the last to let go of the 55 mph laws, and back then there usually wasn’t much tolerance. So 2 cars of totally raging nutknicks, with probably enough cargo to keep us detained for decades, thought it’d be a good idea to race at speeds up to 90!, Idiots!.....yes, one car had a radar detector, but in those days smart cops would wait for some nut traveling high speed and click it on when they had ya dead nuts.
    Luckily, all was well and it was one more “miracle” as we earnestly pursued our quest for “too much of everything is just enough”, aaaa, never considered back then maybe Bob was being sarcastic? Lol
    So we roll on into Chocolate town late and all beat up. I’m guessing we grabbed some kind of drive through, but not sure and as we were hardcore vegetarian then, perhaps we thought we’d grab something there? It’s all such a blur, I do recall the lot we were in had no or little Shakedown action going on. That still wasn’t in full flight anyway, and don’t recall much there, so maybe we drank our supper? I know I scored some Carlsberg Elephant beer, and believe I may have finished it, though that is a tall order even under good conditions so perhaps not. I’m sure I put in dent in it at least! So, that and the last of one z of veggies, though the tricky part was it was mostly just powder and scraps and so no normal produce to properly gage etc, which would turn out to be a tactical error...
    So it’s late, we’re tired, but tweaked, perhaps no dinner, and of course it’s horrible out. Dark, rainy, and cold is usually not how you want to do your Dead. Eventually we get in perfect time, slip right in front of the SB and try to make the best of the situation. Well I had a shirt, a black baseball jacket, and the electric Buffalo Hyde, but even still it was damp and cold at first. Eventually, when things started to take hold and we started boogieing, we began to warm up a bit.
    Meanwhile, the set list is awesome, but the conditions, which necessitated all the stage and PA speakers being covered in plastic (there was no stage lid) thereby severely effecting the audio. It’s was such a weird show that way, loved the little “stadium” and the nice audiophile stereo set up, with surrounds, great set list, mostly good playing, yes JGs vocals are a little ruff in the first set, but you have to cut some slack as it was terrible, I mean depending on the wind/rain they were getting rained on playing electrical instruments! Weird indeed, but like so many times in adverse conditions our heroes seemed to rise to the challenge. Thus the playing was perhaps more relaxed, steady and together and not forced like the previous night. Really, besides JGs vocal issues in the first, its a top notch show!
    The second set really starts to take it higher with stellar versions of Music Never Stopped, Terrapin, Miracle and one of the best Dews I’ve ever seen! I think I saw about 14 or 15 Dews and when I think about Dews I’ve seen, this one is the one I always think of first! Rocking Stones/NFA with a spirited Day Job. I liked Day Job, but by now it was getting a tad old, and was a disappointment for this show considering how high it was at that point. A She Belongs or Baby Blue would of been a perfect Cherry on top, but perhaps that’s being greedy?
    Now since the weather was such a factor, we must discuss that and how it influenced this show. The second set starts out with their “signing in the rain” as Bob says, and it’s a good’n! Next they slowly slid into an unusual sounding Tom Thumbs which I had never heard yet, and wasn’t even sure at first what it was, but hey, it was Phil so that’s all I needed to know! Good but perhaps truncated Estimated, followed by an awesome Terrapin. So as the set started to progress, so did the weather until (I think?) around Estimated it really started to clear up and they started pulling the plastic tarps down. It was almost like you could immediately hear it get better after each one was removed. Eventually by about Terrapin, they tarps we’re gone, the moon and stars were out, and Healy started increasing the volume and tweaking the mix. I remember we were goading him to turn it up, and man eventually he sure did!
    As the night wore on it began to warm up a bit too. But as you’ve heard this scenario, or been there yourself, many times I didn’t feel quite high enough so what the hell, one more time with the powder veggie crumbles just before drums......hee-hee....you know, “I’m not feeling it?” and then...Dooah!
    So the problem with those baseball jackets is they don’t really breath and the electric Buffalo Hyde was thick plastic. We didn’t have all the nice technical outer gear we have now, or at least WE didn’t. I could barely afford the free plastic one from the old mans work.
    Well a perfect storm mounted; little or no food, Elephants, veggies etc, no sleep, excess everything and underlying exhaustion, with me starting to overheat due to the above and dancing with that plastic shell on. Things were going unbelievable well, and partly influenced by the very recent passing of my Grandfather, during Dew, things peaked musically, the sound, the night, the stars, emotionally etc etc until I had one of the most powerful musical/emotional/psychedelic peak experiences of my life. Perhaps my all time GD moment, it was that powerful. But what goes up must come down and just like that the radiator blew and that last handful of shroom dust fully kicked in and somewhere in Throwing Stones, right during ashes, ashes all fall down, well.....I say i didn’t really fall down, it was more like an immediate realization that if I don’t sit down rapidly, I’m going down! LOL, so one way or another, depending on who you believe, I end up down in the soft, cool mud until near the end of the song, but I swear just as I tried to get up I knew it wasn’t going to happen, so right on que again I go back down. My friends to this day always bring up my perfectly coreographed “Dance moves” above all else that happened on this tour..35 years later and it’s still “ashes, ashes, Pedro falls down” !
    That would of all been well and good except things were very strange and weren’t wearing off, and I was barely functioning. I never would of found the car etc If not for my homies. Honestly all I remember is them pulling into a Wendy’s or something, but I just sat in the car with my face literally stuck to the window and crackled! Zzzzttttt. I really thought I had finally fried some essential circuits and thought this time I really did it. At some point I snapped out enough to find some kids in another car staring at me with a look of concern if not fear. Luckily, the boys finished up and came out and got us outta there. Somewhere near the state line we finally grabbed a motel as we all had had more than enough rain and adversity. Plus the next day was off and the drive short. I remember they propped me up in bed and I just sat and crackled and worried. Eventually I slept and though I felt better the next day, I didn’t feel normal and don’t recall much except when we got to Merriweather and found a good spot just over the creek, right next to the path, in some trees, on the way to the big parking lots to the right of the venue. But now it was nice and I was feeling more normal so not so freaked out. I also remember going to a nearby sorta plaza with an upscale liquor store where I scored my first sixer of EKU 28 ever which was awesome!
    So now we’ve moved beyond the insanity of TOGA, the adversity and majesty of Hershey, and ready for perhaps the best overall show of the tour on 6/30/85....

    EDIT: Otis, congrats on the stereo. All that matters is if your happy with it. After all the specs and hyperbole etc, no matter how big, small, expensive etc, in the end, that’s all that counts!

  • #6653
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    Nice rec for the TDIGDH 6/28/76 show! I'd never heard that one before, and it is pretty sweet. The "Happiness is Drumming" is certainly a highlight!

    I have been out of the loop for a bit - trying to deal with some personal stuff on my end, and I just kind of lost track of things around these parts. I hope to be able to participate more going forward.

    To that end, how about a pick for tomorrow, Monday 6/29? I am thinking Dave's 31 - 12/3/79 Uptown. I feel like this pick got a short shrift on the DaP page, but I remember being very happy with it, though I haven't given it a proper listen since it first came out. What do you all think?

    One positive thing that I have accomplished since I've been away has been the set up of my first component stereo system. I don't know if it compares to all of your "big boy" systems, but it certainly feels BIG in my little row home! Looking forward to playing it LOUD tomorrow when the wife goes to work.

    Peace

  • #6654
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    Bode Miller...

    First, GOGD, I did not mean to single you out, over generalizations, which become stereotypes, which become truth etc, really bum me out. So it was more of a trigger to that, not you personally. I know you were just repeating this line.
    Actually, as I’ve dug in deeper, there are probably a significant number of shows where he often doesn’t sound so good, but to over generalize that “his voice was shot”, as in never more, to me, imho, that completely devalues and discounts all the amazing, great sounding stuff he was still able to do. 87,88,89,90,91anyone? Micro view versus macro perhaps?

    SECOND: I must humbly recant my tale of dancin in the rain. As we were diligently experiencing TOGA last night. Too things became apparent. First, perhaps JG was a tad “caffeinated” at the start of both sets. Listening close on a real system, (not the big boy, but the living room system which ain’t no slouch!), he seems a tad to fast and/or their not fully entrained. One could argue not fully so until Women Are?...so probably something to do with him totally skipping the Key Rain Storm, and Jailhouse versus, of Bertha, lol.
    Thus, while I wasn’t deceitful, I was not accurate. Sure enough, when Holmes and Watson ripped a spleef and fired up Bertha from SPAC 6/24/84, and bingo, ding, ding, ding, ding! Right venue, wrong year! 😂 Ooops, my apologies to the dear reader...but hey, it’s a fun interesting new tid bit, and it did rain, I think, lol.
    While doing this research I was listening just on the iPad and interestingly he doesn’t sound as bad? Also, I’ve been going with the HS matrixes, especially shows where I want to hear those crowd big moments. Generally they’ve been pretty good, but researching, I used a CM transfer and man, definitely a big difference. Perhaps number one being the speed/time of the Miller seemed better and more natural?
    Subjective I know, just that it’s interesting how every variable can effect perceptions.
    6/27/85: so this beast is still as much of a rocket sled ride as I’ve thought, but it’s perhaps a tad more unpolished then I would of said in the past. But that’s being picky, and you know I prefer danger dead to safe, so as at this moment, Hell in a bucket is scorching, I stick by this show for that, the cool set list, and the fact that eventually, say around Women Are on out, that part of the show stands with its lofty summer 85 neighbors. Probably have to give 6/24& perhaps 6/25? a slight advantage overall, but man I haven’t been to many shows that had the vibe, fun, and overall madness of this puppy.

    So why is 85 Dead like Bode Miller? He often was criticized for his erratic style, or lack thereof, his nonconformity, often disregard for the rules, including parting then basically going 80 MPH down an insane pitch, that was usually hosed down to make it more icy, and thus faster! So just like this era of Dead, sometimes he’d DQ, sometimes he’d slack off, sometimes it was ugly, but when he brought it, that mofo brought it!! and when he was able to be one with the force, it was fucking breathtaking! Scary, but breathtaking. No matter what, if he was racing there was an energy, an excitement, that larger than life vibe......that, to me, is 85 Dead.
    FINALLY: Ladies and Germs, May I present the Electric Buffalo Hyde! as christened by my degenerate cohort due to my resemblance of the great beast of the prairies back in the day, and this baby used to be so bright people would ask if there were batteries. But Alas, like youth itself it’s faded dramatically, and is old and bartered. It definitely gave it’s all to R&R. So many Dead shows, festivals, camping, parties, you name it! Also, it will be a part of an unfortunate situation at the next night, where I lost my shit in Hershey! So until then....

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    bob t
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    If you are too busy to listen to whole show, listen to Happiness is Drumming from set II, if you have never heard or listened to listen you will be pleasantly surprised!!! There is a Charlie Miller soundboard on Internet Archive!!!! bob t

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    The Good Ole G…
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    Sounds like the ole SPAC '85 show will get some play today.

    Always a fun revisit. Vguy & Keithfan that was you guys?! That's funny.

    I guess I always thought this was an indoor show because of the balcony stuff and didn't know about the rain storm.

    Tell us more.

    And just for the record if I happen to say Jerry's voice is shot, what I mean to say is I love Jerry's voice, even though it's a little shot here. ;)

    I agree, it always sounds great to me.

    Enjoy party people!

  • #6657
    Oroborous
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    We were out on the lawn so actually there were many drops, I mean it was already raining hard, and right when he sang that line, biblical!, but it just added to the madness and was one of my favorite concert/rain moments ever! I believe that’s right when folks crashed security on those balcony ramp ways and turned it into a free for all? Yeah, that was the shit, such energy all around, but that rain just took it to another level. Luckily I had my electric buffalo Hyde on! .....it was a psychedelic neon yellow long rain coat with
    BS CORP
    WORK SAFELY (from pops work) printed on back, and a Dancin skeleton sticker underneath that I added. Still have it! I should take a pic and post...fond it moving last year.

  • #6658
    Oroborous
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    Summer 85, and why I’m not prepared for class

    Deadheadbrewer: yeah, I’m with you, I can’t keep up with these rascals! Pant-pant 😉
    Haven’t done Riverbend, Nassau or Dane. Prolly give Nassau a spin this WE. Dane I’ve tried to stay away from cause ya gotta believe their going to give us that one someday! Bastards better! and I’d prefer it on virginal ears!
    hey, by the way, how you guys coming on that tunnel under the vault?
    So I listen to Riverbend 6/24/85 sort regularly so no biggie there except in the sense of comparing shows. Except It’s cool to go in order to see the subtle changes and how things progress. Like 6/25/85, definitely have felt a ascending arc since the first night in Alpine. Funny thing is I don’t think I’ve heard the second set of this one before? Had a tape of the first all along, but I think it was a tad too crisp so didn’t get as much love as the shows around it. Plus I think maybe I harbored some subliminal resentment for the show because of our decision to skip it to go to Toga early like we did in 84, which was awesome. Obviously if it made us skip a show that close to home, but Doooaahhh. So not sure how it’s the shows fault. LOL, but I think somehow I’ve had some weird thing about this show that has kept me away? Sorry, ramblings of a deranged lunatic!
    Anywho, finally gave this bad boy a spin yesterday, though had to do it in 2 sessions as life just keeps buttin’ in like a 3 year old when mom and dad are trying to get down! Man what a show. The only really noticeable hiccup I recall was JG at the start of Jimmy, and Bob missed a vocal, really a great set, better than I remember, though I always liked it, just the tape was lesser then the others...
    Second set was hot too, though perhaps they lost just a little near the end? Or maybe that was me as it was late, and by that time on a Friday this ole cowboy is usually not feeling much pain! I recall a couple little blemishes, but so what, you name any show, anyone, and I can find stuff wrong. And sorry, but I’m kinda over hearing about how terrible JGs voice is. Yes, sometimes it’s ruff, but sometimes I think the gravelly age worn voice ADDs to the affect of the songs, which is perhaps what he did best. And frankly, I’ll take the gravel voice singing in tune over a lot of that 1970 stuff we’re between the guitars and the vocals something is ALWAYS out of tune. That’s torturous for a musician.
    Now I’m not trying to diss anyone’s favorite Dead etc, just stating an opinion that people perhaps overdo it with the voice comments. My favorite is when people say “I can’t listen to anything after 77”....ok, we’ll that’s cool as it’s your choice and all, but I’d say really you just have made up your mind you don’t want to like anything after that, and you probably haven’t heard enough and with the right kind of ears. Seriously, I challenge anyone to pick a “perfect” “best of “ show and if I have time I will find the cracks!
    But that’s missing the point which is ITS ALL GOOD! and every era has something positive that the others don’t have. It’s all ways been yin yang folks, there is no such thing as a perfect show, except in our minds eye, which is quite A ok.
    Ok, rant over, I’m obviously biased about my beloved 85!
    Which brings us back to TOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAA!! Yo Butch, back in your seat, there’s 50 thousand people waiting for you to get back in your seat! Madness, the whole scene there was just surreal fucking madness, but in a good way.
    I’m actually going to try and call my old house/band mates at the time as we all went. 2 I think went to blossom, and Pittsburgh. That one too, like WTF basically could of stopped by on the ride home from Merriweather, idiots! Lol, actually, I’m not sure I could have done another show. I may have caused permanent damage at Hershey, and thank god for that day off that I can’t recall much about, and I did take it a tad easier after, but not much. We ate so many veggies on that run that nobody would believe it. But I know what I came with and what was left after so.....looking back, it’s all kinda scary, we’re lucky we never had any real casualties of any sort. Few close calls, but nothing major, phewwww.
    So going to call the lads, and fire up Toga tonight as We have to do a Zoom wedding this afternoon. We were supposed to be out at the Promised land for said wedding and a actual vacation, first since Seattle in ?? 2012!
    Think Homer Simpson “oohhhh, Ssstttooooopid Covid”
    Speaking of living via the net, was that not a fine show on Shakedown last night! Didn’t have the fire like the night before, but a fine well played outing, thanks so much to Dave and Co. for giving us this nice diversion. It’s getting to b3 a regular weekly thing, and gasp, the Mrs has actually been joining me and digging it! .....as long as I give her a good foot massage (usually during drums). She really digs the trippy graphics and colors which is even funnier as she’s never partaken except booze back in da day, it’s like giving a kid castor oil just getting her to have a beer, lol. So yeah, this Friday thing has been like the “ONE” in our music! Right on! and please keep em coming!
    Ok, gotta try and call the guys and reminisce before the wedding. Then.....drum rolls please..........TOOooooGa!

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    JimInMD
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    but there are black clouds building on the horizon here. Looks like a thunderous day on the river is in store for me. Got my waterproof device loaded with 6/27/85, thanks to the gentle steering of the GOGD.

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    Oroborous
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    Ran into a rainstorm, indeed!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 07/06/2020 - 10:05

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I love that this board has gone more into the archives. I love the official releases, but there are so many gems in the ol' mine that sticking to just the releases exclusively would mean missing out on shows like this.

Hooking it up to the stereo, hitting play, and spending as much of the day in the AC as possible. It is brutal around these parts... but a good book and a good show make it bearable. I hope everyone had a great July 4th weekend!

Peace

This show might just be the most-listened to show in my listening history. I think it is so much fun, it is near the top of the list of shows I wish i had attended. Enjoy!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 07/06/2020 - 18:58

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hi everybody!! sorry, its been awhile posting, but i check in all the time on this oasis of friendship and good cheer.
Pittsburgh 87 was one of only 4 east coast shows i saw (Hampton 88 the other three). I'd seen the Alpine shows, then went fishing with Dad and brother in Canada. just got back day before show. left Chicago area at dawn. for some reason took the scenic route, driving some US highway rather than the interstate. got a speeding ticket as I crossed into Ohio (65 to 55 speed trap) - boo. as i said goodbye to the kind officer i asked him how far to Pittsburgh? he looked at me funny - Pittsburgh??? long long day driving, lots of winding roads i think as i got further east but somehow made it to the arena. back in those days i would get to some confusing unknown city and just follow the cars that looked like they knew where they were going. just now flashed on a bumper sticker i saw wandering the lot that evening unwinding before the show -
CAUTION - DRIVER LISTENING TO HOT SHAKEDOWN
yeah, for real
it was a heart of gold night. mail order ticket, might have been a GA show, but I was in the second level stage left. surrounded by kind strangers. more than a few empty seats in the arena i think. relaxed. really fun first set. remember Desolation Row as big cool surprise.
and then that SHAKEDOWN - holy shit!!!! Jerry scat singing!! Phil!! craziness!! out of body rush just thinking about it!!
and then "We ran into some of our friends the Neville Brothers" and its like you have got to be freaking kidding - Iko > Day-o > Women Smarter!! still have a dream vision of the stage during Day-O. yeah it was like a dream! coming out of space the whole place was buzzing with dylan energy, that bob d would join them. close. he was there in spirit. the knockin on heaven's door was one of the most righteous dead moments i ever witnessed. another vision of the stage as it lead to the first verse - unearthly blue/green lighting, the Nevilles, shadowed, slowly joining the boys. tears in my eyes. great good lovin set closer. then johnny b goode. super energy. smiles everywhere.
at some point during the drive that afternoon i'd wondered what the heck i was doing. i left that show filled with contentment and happiness. of course i'm totally lost when i try to find my way out of town. most traffic long gone. i'm at a stop light, drifting in my own thoughts, when I look to my right and a couple of officers in a patrol car are 5 ft away giving me the real hairy eyeball. seconds from big trouble. I lean over, roll down the window, and ask Hi - which way to Ohio? the expression of the officer at the wheel suddenly goes from doom to Sure, let me help! Ohio? you take a left at this light! I'm like Great!! Thank you!! seconds later light turns green, i turn left, and make my getaway across some bridge. whew. at some early am rest area i remember a fellow traveler asking if I was headed to Roanoke. sigh. the answer was no - heck I didn't even know the next shows were in Roanoke. 10 years later i got to know shannon way out west. and she was from virginia and yeah the roanoke shows were way hot!! as for me, the next shows i saw were Red Rocks
i'm listening to the Zaleski version on relisten right now - it sounds freaking fantastic, amazing pull, highly recommend!!
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1987/07/06?source=95912
man, '87 was a fun year, with the newly re-energized Jerry. this brings back a lot of sweet memories.
stay healthy and be safe!!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 07/06/2020 - 19:54

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More a relation to timing, cash flow and where I was in college at the time, but I saw more shows in 87 than any other year. Plus.. I was kind of freaked by the 86 coma, which lead to full throttle 87 and Pittsburgh was less than two hours from where I was living at the time.

I was there and it was a hoot. I was just beginning to know what the Nevilles were all about.

What I remember from the whole thing was first that Jerry was looking and sounding better as the year went on. Second.. I was there with a bunch of college buddies and I could not wait long enough to ditch them and spend most of the show alone, just me and my girlfriend at the time. Something about people you don't know that well, that probably aren't that into the dead anyway talking while you are finding your footing is really annoying. So by Row Jimmy we had separated from anything resembling the crowd we arrived with and had achieved lift off.

I have not listened to this since I was there until today. What a nice road trip and both brings back memories and reminds me how little I still remember. I do remember the Neville's centric second set and the drive back home a good bit.

Well, that's the best I can recall.

Oh, this might have been the day or the we ek that In the Dark was released. At first I was ecstatic, later deflated.. it was the beginning of the end of sorts.. We were no longer a small town, under the radar thing. It was so much more fun when were were under the radar.

Oh.. and Otis.. it was hot as balls here today, and we are usually 10 to 15 degrees cooler than you. Great day on the river though. This working less stuff is a ok with me.

CAUTION - DRIVER LISTENING TO HOT SHAKEDOWN. Truly the funniest thing I have heard all month. Hilarious, I want one of those stickers!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 07/06/2020 - 21:59

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Jim and Bluecrow, thanks for sharing your memories of the Igloo! Really cool. Jim, yes, I do know what you mean, about the changes that occurred after In the Dark. The Dead achieved big time success, which I think was great for them, but of course it changed the scene forever.

The ultra matrix I pulled up on Relisten was marginal. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place.

Official releases versus bootlegs. I will say, this site would not exist if it wasn't for the official releases. Professional recordings, mixing and mastering take a ton of time and effort and in most cases sound way better than unofficial releases. If they didn't, Grateful Dead Productions and Rhino would not brother with these releases. I am sure glad they do, it has been tons of fun.
I have also been surprised how good some of the shows on The archive or Relisten sound. Miller seems to do a fantastic job, however, it is still no guarantee that the recordings themselves were very good.

Long live the Vault!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 08:11

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What a fun night!

The Scene:
We'd gotten home from Alpine and kicked around for a week or so and then headed over to Pittsburgh for our last taste of the Dead for the summer of '87. I guess it was a Monday night, but felt like a party. The only time we stayed in a hotel, and a bunch of our friends from Ohio had the room nextdoor. The rooms had a connecting walk through party door and we walked through it and partied all night long! It was off the hook. I can't remember if that was planned or coincidence, but feel like we didn't know until we got to the room. The hotel was taken over by Dead Heads and a party raged the whole time before and after. There was a Park & Eat diner up the road and we went there in shifts throughout the night, high out of our minds, laughing and shit like we were on a different planet, and we were. All these stoned out hippies flooding the place. We made up all these names for it, the barf & puke, the stop & ralph, we were rolling. I think there was a pool and the balcony circled around the pool.. but yeah it was 33 years ago, and we were all blotto.

The Music:
You ever been to a show with a friend and the band plays ALL of their favorites? That was this night for me and my buddy Walling. The place was electric and everybody was ready to party and so was the band. If I remember correctly, which is highly suspect, but mentioned elsewhere, there were guest musician rumors going around that day, so we were taking guesses on who it’d be, I was pretty sure it’d be Dylan, since they’d just played with him. I think that happened, but again the mind can do funny things. The show had that kind of extra excitement. There was magic in the air. And the band was on, Jerry was stomping around and belting it out and it had that ’87 energy of renewal. We’d seen it at Hampton, and felt it at Alpine (somewhat) but couldn’t see it there. So it was GREAT to have it confirmed in Pittsburgh. We had a great view of the happenings and just boogied down all night. If you weren’t hip before, when the Neville Brothers joined the band, everybody knew they were experiencing something special! I had definitely figured it out when Jerry started belting out Whoa’s during Shakedown Street, it was electric. What a fun show. It was my first & only Shakedown, and man it’s still my favorite. The first Knockin’ out of space was pretty epic to witness, by then we had been on such an adventure we just watched in awe, and then they revved up like a deuce with a couple more rockers to send us home or in our case, back to a raging hotel party that continued all night. Throughout, the band played my best friend & traveling partner’s favorite tunes that we didn’t see at Hampton or Alpine. The Shakedown > Samson, Iko > Day-O (he also loved that song, it was cosmically weird) > Women & closing Good Lovin’ & JBG encore, felt like it had been dreamed / willed up by my pal Harvey Wallbanger and we danced our asses off. Good times huh bro?!?!

33 years later it still gives me the chills looking back on it and remembering

Never Had Such A Good Time.

Thanks to BLUECROW & JIMINMD for sharing their tales as well. And thanks to all for listening in with me, this one holds a special place in my heart. The band came to have an electric rock n’ roll party and that’s just what we did.
EDIT: Ironic that In The Dark was released this day as well, and the band didn't play a single tune off the album, bad ass ;)

What a band!

Alright, what’s on tap for today?
EDIT 2: Alpine Valley 7/7/84 you say...

Funny, I was going to toss out an 84 option since we seem to be on an 80's terror.

Perhaps we can squeeze in something primal soon and something in the 7 1 through 74 range too.

As for primal, perhaps later this week?? It's been years since I listened to 4/23/69.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 10:46

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Sounds good to me!

And I will second Jim's 4/23/69 Ark pick for tomorrow - should be an interesting contrast.

Since there wasn't yet a pick for today, I loaded up Beacon Theater 6/14/76 from the box, after a morning appetizer of Disc 3 from 4/8/72 Wembley. I got through the first two discs of that one last evening, but HAD to listen to the third before putting it back on the shelf. Favorite Dark Star ever? I dunno, but it is certainly up there! The Beacon Theater show is nice, but it was a little unfair coming right on the heels of that Europe 72 show, as most things are.

Back to the 80s madness! I've actually been to Alpine - the steepest lawn I've ever been on!

Peace

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 10:48

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Is that anywhere near Bong Rec? :-P

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 16:20

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Ha.. yes, I stayed there in 87.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 16:31

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Somehow it seemed to me to be related to Alpine 7.7.84, so I went there today after the Alpine show. There's a Playing Reprise and I'm hitting the epic Dew right now. No hearty post-Space Terrapin though. It's nice to know as a Wisconsinite that we have places like Bong right nearby. :-)

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 19:15

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....twas a good show. Back when there were more 🌳's on the lawn.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 20:39

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somewhere in my "vault" is a crisp, 8 x 10(?), home darkroom printed, b/w photo ca. summer 1978 of friends and I posing by the sign for the Bong Motel. a pleasant Saturday drive up into the land of cheap beer. Anybody here ever pay tribute to the Andy Gump statue in Lake Geneva?

DeadVikes - yeah the ultramatrix for 7/6/87 ain't too good. if you're still looking for a good source, try this on for size when you have the time. I thought this was a sweet sounding audience on the headphones last night. (Thank you taper Lucien Zaleski! - source 8 of 10 at relisten).

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1987/07/06?source=95912

thanks for more Pittsburgh stories Jim and GOGD! yep 1987 was a fun year! first show for me that spring was the somewhat obscure UIC Pavillion 4-9-87 - watched it from the penalty box (no lie!) blazing scarlet - fire and whole 2nd set. jerry reborn!!

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 07/08/2020 - 03:02

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... Ihello again! Hope all is well with everyone here & also had a grateful weekend holiday!
I started listening to the Grateful Dead’s release from the ‘Road Trips’ Series Vol.3 #3
“Fillmore East 5/15/70” performance!
Now this is some of my favorite dead era/ style of playing ! Love my Pigpen!!!
I can’t find any weak spots in this release, to me, it’s Perfect in every way! 🙏❤️💀🌹
Rock on my brothers and sisters, peace be with you all! Have a grateful day!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/08/2020 - 05:21

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Not that I don't love 5/15/70 but I've got the wayback set to 4/23/69 in post colonial Mass. Playing a little virtual disc golf at Chez Sixtus' 51 years before the 18 posts were securely planted in his back yard makes it just that much easier to cheat and lie about my handicap.. then sip a little kooks aid and off to the Ark.

It's Primal Wednesday here, what could possibly go wrong?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 07/08/2020 - 08:45

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I liked that idea so I dipped my toe in 7/31/74 (at least my digital files were ripped before disc rot set in). Then, I moved over to the Giants first sets from 1989. It's pretty fun rolling out paint to Franklin's Tower btw.

Going to check out the Ark since it was always the 1st and 2nd shows I had on tape.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 07/08/2020 - 08:56

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Primal Wednesday.
Look at those set lists!

It's hard not to argue that those were the days at least in terms of seeing the Dead.
We'll see if this relisten supports the hypothesis.
And yes, the Ark appears on paper to be a fine candidate for a box set, thanks for asking, let's see how these tapes sound.

Oh how different it would be today if Hunter S. Thompson would've been elected sheriff of Aspen.

Stranger things have happened and not for the better... ie 45

But I digress, maybe that's all hypnocracy

Orly Pory Dominorky!

Say.. have you heard the one about the yellow dog yet?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 07/09/2020 - 20:35

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...did I kill the thread? :D

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/10/2020 - 13:59

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For some reason my post from this morning was deleted???

My suggestion was the big enchilada, 11/17/73, Dave's Picks #5. Let's keep the ball rolling.

Be well folks!

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Submitted by Gollum on Fri, 07/10/2020 - 15:25

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This sounds like a solid pick! As suggested, since this is a legendary show, maybe some leniency is due. Maybe the listening party should be extended through the weekend(?). It's never been a particular favorite of mine, since I don't really like my 73PITB jams interrupted, but I'd be happy to change my mind!

I saw that post and listened to this show.. twas awesome.. did the first half on my morning bike ride, the second half on the Upper Yough. I noticed your post was removed.. I just assumed bolo was involved and we would never see or hear from again. Glad I was wrong on that one..

I actually think they meant to remove my post that used the f work a few posts earlier and missed. But hey.. 4.23.69 was f***ing awesome.

Weird scenes inside the gold mine. Be good all.. so it's 11/17/73 tomorrow and if you already did it today we can catch up one one we missed or listen to whatever the f*** we want to, which is just fine.

11/17/73 is the full enchilada.. spicy and delicious. One of the best of the best...

Weird, my post yesterday got deleted too.

Makes you wonder if you said something wrong...
but Jim dropped the F-bomb and he's still here;)

Mostly was just saying same thing you all are saying, stoked to re-listen to 11/17/73 but need more time.

Cool Shakedown Stream last night, dug that.
Got WMD 50 and am digging that, great job Betty & Bob!! What a recording.
DaP V35 going '84 on us, that's cool.
If my sleuthing is right, that means V36 we should see some Pig era material. You heard it hear first folks!
I got inside info (tongue firmly planted in cheek, I jest, I jest).
Lots going on in Dead Land.

Read some of the goings on on the other boards.. pretty interesting stuff, you all are funny!

And I dug hearing the Ark show the other day JimInMD, nice pick!
I had to go back and listen to 4/21 & 4/22 as well, April '69 is pretty interesting time.
Listen to the difference between the introduction on the first night compared to 4/23, it's pretty funny.

It's cool to think that a year later they'd be testing out the Acoustic set format at the Family Dog followed shortly by the beginning of the "an Evening With" format. Definitely a transitional period in the Dead's history. Always been fascinated with that time period.

Alright, hope you all are doing well.

Got Black Peter WMD playing now.
and my friends they come around..

Damn, sounds so good.

Looking Forward to The Palindrome, we've Heard the first & the last.
BTW: 7/10/90 Jerry jumped right into that Playin' Reprise last night after UJB, I was kinda hoping he'd go back into UJB jam after that, but no.. like Lambert, Lemieux & Mayer were saying last night, you hear something new every time!

Be Well All.

GOGD. That is weird, your post was deleted as well. Did someone complain??

Anyway, thanks for joining me on this one guys. Jim, GOGD, Vguy and Gollum. Hopefully, Gollum, this show did it for you this time.

Drove down to Iowa yesterday to get a puppy for my daughter so I treated the family to this wonderful show and it is a monster. Had to keep the volume much lower than it would be if I was by myself but that is okay, it still rocks. HCS, is always good to hear.. China-Rider, oh yes.
The famous Playing, UJB, Dew, UJB, Playing is a treat and a fantastic ride. Then the big finish with a stellar Eyes Sugar Magnolia, Casey Jones encore. Best pick, maybe, I don't know, but it is really f...... good!

Phil seemed so vocal and serious in the pre hiatus days. Always ready to speak to the crowd and then when they came back, Phil seemed to get a little goofy. His playing was stellar, he just seemed off.

My WD set is coming soon, did anybody get theirs yet?

Be well folks. I will be checking out the second set of last night's Shakedown Stream later tonight. Great show so far 👍

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 16:26

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I noticed both those posts were deleted and mine left.. I am quite sure they meant to delete mine because I correctly used the f work to describe the Arc show. I mean.. sometimes that word is correctly used and if you can't use for a Spring 69 show.. well than, golly and jinkies just aren't good substitutes.

Anyway, I did see your original post, Deadvikes and I was all over it.. a wonderful show that I did listen to fresh within the last six months, but it's not like this one has been overdone. It's a classic and perhaps the best or more aptly my favorite PITB/UJB/MD/UJB/PITB sammy. A stunner.

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 16:37

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Jerry Garcia Band from November 17, 18... 1975 Keystone in Berkeley... This show is smoking hot. Nicky Hopkins sounds awesome and Jerry still has that youthful 75 voice... And by rearranging I mean taking them out of a box.... Never did rip this one.... ooops... This show is a lot better than the New Year's Eve show from 1975... You know the one that they said when it was released that it wasn't their best effort!!!! Have a good weekend everyone... bob t

P.S. I really like the 11/17/73 Pauley Pavilion show!!!! Probably one of my most listened to Dave's... Also my lowest number of 23 of any numbered set.... All that and a free cookie....

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 16:40

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...this Boreal Ridge show is, is, is...it just is. :-P

P.S. I hope they don't nuke my post for going a bit over the top...

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 20:07

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I'm loving my first real deep dive into this renowned show. Great sound with the instruments in perfect balance! I've been listening in bits and pieces so far, but hope to do an uninterrupted listen tomorrow.

* Here Comes Sunshine. I remember Lemieux gushing about this version in his chat. Jerry and Bob's complementary guitar work is mesmerizing here!
* Looks like Rain. there aren't many bad versions of this song are there? Nearly every one packs a punch. Love Garcia's sweet exclamations at 5:20.
*PITB. I do love my PITB jams uninterrupted, but wow the sparks are flying every second of this jam. Quite a difference from the Charlotte 12/10 PITB. Not knocking Charlotte PITB, but maybe those sparks were smaller or more subtle.
*Crispy China Rider!
Hope to do a full listening on a long beach walk tomorrow. We'll see.... thanks for this great pick!

p.s. I think the mysterious message deletions must have been related to the cat litter box spam. There was a cat litter box spam that was deleted about the same time. (I think we are allowed to cuss here, aren't we?)

Let it Rock- probably the JGB release I listen to the most. - also Sophie's 76!

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 21:16

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Ha! how could I have forgotten? The last vocals of this Dew always sounded to me like an unintentional flub-

"Walk me out in the Morning Dew my honey,
Where have all the people gone today?
there's no need for you to be worried.... this morning
I guess it doesn't matter anyway...."

Unintentional or not, that's always been one of my favorite moments in any Dew. It just sounds so perfect. Dang, I just haven't listened to it in so many years...

I knew it was you all along Brewer!!

In truth.. sometimes I cheat and hit the highlights.. other days I disappear completely because I just didn't have time to play... This pandemic did two things for me though.. severely limited my cash flow and gave me a bunch of extra free time. I am very glad for the latter and am making do like everyone else on the former. Thankfully, we are all safe and healthy. I feel we are the lucky ones.

Be good all.. I have to admit.. this thread has been great fun even if I can't play along everyday.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 07/12/2020 - 10:56

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from 1979 is 9-2-79 Augusta. I would like to hear reactions on that one eventually. I do want to hit Englishtown, and Giants '78 towards the end of next month sometime, too. As for today, I may hit Pauley some more or even venture somewhere else, Binghamton '79 I'm looking at you....

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 07/12/2020 - 17:03

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Jim, cheaters never prosper🤠

It is great to have people join in when they can. Sometimes life gets in the way.

Wilfred, is there a pick in there? I am ready.

Be well folks and everybody hang loose.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 07/12/2020 - 18:36

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Was fun enough. I skipped a couple tunes though. Bob definitely got his slide practice in. Jerry was achieving some fine tones, but Brent was pretty low in the mix at key times. It's probably not the best of May '79, and leaves me wondering which are the hotter shows of the tour.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 07/12/2020 - 20:31

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Cheers fellow cheater. I frequently skip Mexicali's too. We are mortally flawed.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 00:48

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So that's how you do it. I have noticed, at this time, that I prefer up tempo songs to slower ones, irrespective of the lyrical content . So Mexicali Blues appeals to me more than... say, Stella Blue, to pick one ballad out of the ether. Friend of the Devil was better for me when it rocked. There is only so many times that I can listen to the same story, but rock n' roll, as the saying goes, never dies.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 10:04

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DEADVIKES looks like it's You & Me bro..

Whatcha want to listen too?

They were talking about 9/20/70 the other day on DaP board which made me wanna give that an ole relisten -
https://archive.org/details/gd1970-09-20.140665.sbd.boswell.smith.mille…

Or we could look at some '84 in preparation of DaP V35. The next night 4/21/84 has a tasty set list and It's been awhile (EDIT: Actually I might've listened to this on 4/21/20.. but yeah, almost 3 months, that's awhile, right?!?) -
https://archive.org/details/gd1984-04-21.137247.sbd.miller.flac1648

LMK if either of those peak your interest. Or toss something out and we can decide.

That is if my comment isn't deleted ;)

Did you get WMD 50 yet?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 13:05

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Thanks for hanging in there GOGD. I would not mind taking a look at the 1984 show. Let's do it. 4/21/84 it is.

Yes, I did receive my WD set, but have not cracked it open yet? How about you?

Bam!

Sweet and Likewise.

Yeah, I got WMD download so I checked it out. Sounds amazing.

There's a brief 2 second drop out in Live UJB on the DL, so hoping to get that remedied.

It's weird cuz that happened with my Aoxomoxoa download too, last track 2 second drop out on bonus material, but Dead.net was cool about getting it fixed. Technical gremlins always getting in there and messing with stuff.

Alright man, looks like we got some '84 in order today.

Be well and look forward to what you think.
Enjoy!

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 13:39

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Going through my cd's that have been in a box for about a year or so.... Gave my man cave/office to my daughter.... on the bonus disc Garcia plays Dylan again, anyone know where and when the It Takes a Lot to Laugh It Takes a Train to Cry is from....... (sort of fun to re discover discs that I never burned!!!! Thanks in advance... Bob t

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 13:53

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Appreciate it......... Bob T... Listening to 7/29/74 Landover bonus disc..... much better than I remember, only listened to a few times I guess in 2012......

The second set was off the hook. Crystal clean licks from Jerry on the Slipknot! and Franklins. I was listening to the Charlie Miller, sounded quite good.

What versions were you guys listening to?