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  • #831
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    “Hey Rocky, watch me levitate Garcia”

    Per your suggestions, doing the 9-18-87 anniversary.

    I suspect that everything in the Vault that sounds good will get digitized, and a lot has probably been done already since the tapes are degrading and the job needs to get completed. Also, storing digital copies at various geographic locations can be an insurance policy against things like the Universal Music warehouse fire, California Earthquake(s), etc. Futhurmore, I assume that when Dave is perusing potential releases he listens to a digital copy, not a cassette copy, then he picks a few shows to discuss at the next business meeting.

    Some will get the Full Norman.
    Some will even get Plangentized.
    Everything that gets digitized will be available for download and/or streaming in the future, we may just not be alive to spend the money on such.
    The Vault will become the Catalog.
    We are financing the digitization of the Vault by buying the new releases.
    So bust out Dennis’ wife’s credit card and keep buying.
    (Well, at least Dennis can bust out the credit card)

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    Misery loves company, JK

    Yeah 1stshow I hadn’t planned to do it.I mean I’ve been meaning to, but, like many things nowadays, always low on roundtoits ; ). Reminds me of this guy we picked up on Ziggy Marley tour doing merch back in 96 I believe.
    Flew into DC, met PK from Jersey, counted stuff in at the 9:30 club, then just tried to keep up with ole PK. Out on town all night, then immediately had to drive to next show etc…
    Dude knows everyone everywhere and can get you ANYTHING you need in almost any city!
    Damn Rastas were asking him to get them weed everywhere as he had better connections lol
    Been a road dog forever! Anywho, somewhere in the mayhem we ran into a buddy of his from Virginia who decided one show wasn’t enough fun. He only ment to go to the next one, and every night kept saying “ok, this is the last one, then I have to get back”…we’ll this went on for over a week until finally, after Panama beach show we literally had to make him get on a bus and go home lol. Guy was helpful and we all had big fun, but the poor bastard was wearing the same clothes etc and didn’t have anything with him, totally spontaneous trip. Think after a couple daze we bought him some fresh underwear and gave him a couple tour shirts to change into lol.
    So that’s kinda how I started E72 this time, ok, I’ll do one more. Finally, though this isn’t a good time, time wise etc, figured, fug it, buy the ticket, take the ride! So, always more fun with a tour buddy!

    Yeah, I’m with you on 5/3. It is a damn good show, but I didn’t get as blown away as some…
    But I’ll need to reacquaint with it…top five, good luck. I can’t do it. Their all so good, sure I like some perhaps more, but their just different enough I can’t pick a top dog…
    Yeah, what a surprise, the French were the most vocal lol

    Yeah DV, im worried about the VIKS, Bills too, though they seemed like their old selves again this week. But like the Viks, ya never know what’s next lol. Rootin for underdog Lions, and Falcons, though I really like this kid Field with Da Bears…
    I’ll have to try and find that Dave article. He always says that and he doesn’t do it all the time, and they have mostly stayed clear of anniversaries, but he has been dipping liberally from that early possibilities list he mentioned back at the start of DaP.

    Those all sound familiar Jim, but I’m on a job site so can’t look up in my Db.
    Tempting all, but I’m on tour in Europe with ole 1stshow and don’t like to listen to other Dead until the trip is over…
    1970 is perhaps last frontier I haven’t really got the toe wet yet. Need another roundtoit!

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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

  • #836
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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

  • #840
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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Mon, 07/06/2020 - 10:05

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I love that this board has gone more into the archives. I love the official releases, but there are so many gems in the ol' mine that sticking to just the releases exclusively would mean missing out on shows like this.

Hooking it up to the stereo, hitting play, and spending as much of the day in the AC as possible. It is brutal around these parts... but a good book and a good show make it bearable. I hope everyone had a great July 4th weekend!

Peace

This show might just be the most-listened to show in my listening history. I think it is so much fun, it is near the top of the list of shows I wish i had attended. Enjoy!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 07/06/2020 - 18:58

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hi everybody!! sorry, its been awhile posting, but i check in all the time on this oasis of friendship and good cheer.
Pittsburgh 87 was one of only 4 east coast shows i saw (Hampton 88 the other three). I'd seen the Alpine shows, then went fishing with Dad and brother in Canada. just got back day before show. left Chicago area at dawn. for some reason took the scenic route, driving some US highway rather than the interstate. got a speeding ticket as I crossed into Ohio (65 to 55 speed trap) - boo. as i said goodbye to the kind officer i asked him how far to Pittsburgh? he looked at me funny - Pittsburgh??? long long day driving, lots of winding roads i think as i got further east but somehow made it to the arena. back in those days i would get to some confusing unknown city and just follow the cars that looked like they knew where they were going. just now flashed on a bumper sticker i saw wandering the lot that evening unwinding before the show -
CAUTION - DRIVER LISTENING TO HOT SHAKEDOWN
yeah, for real
it was a heart of gold night. mail order ticket, might have been a GA show, but I was in the second level stage left. surrounded by kind strangers. more than a few empty seats in the arena i think. relaxed. really fun first set. remember Desolation Row as big cool surprise.
and then that SHAKEDOWN - holy shit!!!! Jerry scat singing!! Phil!! craziness!! out of body rush just thinking about it!!
and then "We ran into some of our friends the Neville Brothers" and its like you have got to be freaking kidding - Iko > Day-o > Women Smarter!! still have a dream vision of the stage during Day-O. yeah it was like a dream! coming out of space the whole place was buzzing with dylan energy, that bob d would join them. close. he was there in spirit. the knockin on heaven's door was one of the most righteous dead moments i ever witnessed. another vision of the stage as it lead to the first verse - unearthly blue/green lighting, the Nevilles, shadowed, slowly joining the boys. tears in my eyes. great good lovin set closer. then johnny b goode. super energy. smiles everywhere.
at some point during the drive that afternoon i'd wondered what the heck i was doing. i left that show filled with contentment and happiness. of course i'm totally lost when i try to find my way out of town. most traffic long gone. i'm at a stop light, drifting in my own thoughts, when I look to my right and a couple of officers in a patrol car are 5 ft away giving me the real hairy eyeball. seconds from big trouble. I lean over, roll down the window, and ask Hi - which way to Ohio? the expression of the officer at the wheel suddenly goes from doom to Sure, let me help! Ohio? you take a left at this light! I'm like Great!! Thank you!! seconds later light turns green, i turn left, and make my getaway across some bridge. whew. at some early am rest area i remember a fellow traveler asking if I was headed to Roanoke. sigh. the answer was no - heck I didn't even know the next shows were in Roanoke. 10 years later i got to know shannon way out west. and she was from virginia and yeah the roanoke shows were way hot!! as for me, the next shows i saw were Red Rocks
i'm listening to the Zaleski version on relisten right now - it sounds freaking fantastic, amazing pull, highly recommend!!
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1987/07/06?source=95912
man, '87 was a fun year, with the newly re-energized Jerry. this brings back a lot of sweet memories.
stay healthy and be safe!!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 07/06/2020 - 19:54

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More a relation to timing, cash flow and where I was in college at the time, but I saw more shows in 87 than any other year. Plus.. I was kind of freaked by the 86 coma, which lead to full throttle 87 and Pittsburgh was less than two hours from where I was living at the time.

I was there and it was a hoot. I was just beginning to know what the Nevilles were all about.

What I remember from the whole thing was first that Jerry was looking and sounding better as the year went on. Second.. I was there with a bunch of college buddies and I could not wait long enough to ditch them and spend most of the show alone, just me and my girlfriend at the time. Something about people you don't know that well, that probably aren't that into the dead anyway talking while you are finding your footing is really annoying. So by Row Jimmy we had separated from anything resembling the crowd we arrived with and had achieved lift off.

I have not listened to this since I was there until today. What a nice road trip and both brings back memories and reminds me how little I still remember. I do remember the Neville's centric second set and the drive back home a good bit.

Well, that's the best I can recall.

Oh, this might have been the day or the we ek that In the Dark was released. At first I was ecstatic, later deflated.. it was the beginning of the end of sorts.. We were no longer a small town, under the radar thing. It was so much more fun when were were under the radar.

Oh.. and Otis.. it was hot as balls here today, and we are usually 10 to 15 degrees cooler than you. Great day on the river though. This working less stuff is a ok with me.

CAUTION - DRIVER LISTENING TO HOT SHAKEDOWN. Truly the funniest thing I have heard all month. Hilarious, I want one of those stickers!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 07/06/2020 - 21:59

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Jim and Bluecrow, thanks for sharing your memories of the Igloo! Really cool. Jim, yes, I do know what you mean, about the changes that occurred after In the Dark. The Dead achieved big time success, which I think was great for them, but of course it changed the scene forever.

The ultra matrix I pulled up on Relisten was marginal. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place.

Official releases versus bootlegs. I will say, this site would not exist if it wasn't for the official releases. Professional recordings, mixing and mastering take a ton of time and effort and in most cases sound way better than unofficial releases. If they didn't, Grateful Dead Productions and Rhino would not brother with these releases. I am sure glad they do, it has been tons of fun.
I have also been surprised how good some of the shows on The archive or Relisten sound. Miller seems to do a fantastic job, however, it is still no guarantee that the recordings themselves were very good.

Long live the Vault!

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What a fun night!

The Scene:
We'd gotten home from Alpine and kicked around for a week or so and then headed over to Pittsburgh for our last taste of the Dead for the summer of '87. I guess it was a Monday night, but felt like a party. The only time we stayed in a hotel, and a bunch of our friends from Ohio had the room nextdoor. The rooms had a connecting walk through party door and we walked through it and partied all night long! It was off the hook. I can't remember if that was planned or coincidence, but feel like we didn't know until we got to the room. The hotel was taken over by Dead Heads and a party raged the whole time before and after. There was a Park & Eat diner up the road and we went there in shifts throughout the night, high out of our minds, laughing and shit like we were on a different planet, and we were. All these stoned out hippies flooding the place. We made up all these names for it, the barf & puke, the stop & ralph, we were rolling. I think there was a pool and the balcony circled around the pool.. but yeah it was 33 years ago, and we were all blotto.

The Music:
You ever been to a show with a friend and the band plays ALL of their favorites? That was this night for me and my buddy Walling. The place was electric and everybody was ready to party and so was the band. If I remember correctly, which is highly suspect, but mentioned elsewhere, there were guest musician rumors going around that day, so we were taking guesses on who it’d be, I was pretty sure it’d be Dylan, since they’d just played with him. I think that happened, but again the mind can do funny things. The show had that kind of extra excitement. There was magic in the air. And the band was on, Jerry was stomping around and belting it out and it had that ’87 energy of renewal. We’d seen it at Hampton, and felt it at Alpine (somewhat) but couldn’t see it there. So it was GREAT to have it confirmed in Pittsburgh. We had a great view of the happenings and just boogied down all night. If you weren’t hip before, when the Neville Brothers joined the band, everybody knew they were experiencing something special! I had definitely figured it out when Jerry started belting out Whoa’s during Shakedown Street, it was electric. What a fun show. It was my first & only Shakedown, and man it’s still my favorite. The first Knockin’ out of space was pretty epic to witness, by then we had been on such an adventure we just watched in awe, and then they revved up like a deuce with a couple more rockers to send us home or in our case, back to a raging hotel party that continued all night. Throughout, the band played my best friend & traveling partner’s favorite tunes that we didn’t see at Hampton or Alpine. The Shakedown > Samson, Iko > Day-O (he also loved that song, it was cosmically weird) > Women & closing Good Lovin’ & JBG encore, felt like it had been dreamed / willed up by my pal Harvey Wallbanger and we danced our asses off. Good times huh bro?!?!

33 years later it still gives me the chills looking back on it and remembering

Never Had Such A Good Time.

Thanks to BLUECROW & JIMINMD for sharing their tales as well. And thanks to all for listening in with me, this one holds a special place in my heart. The band came to have an electric rock n’ roll party and that’s just what we did.
EDIT: Ironic that In The Dark was released this day as well, and the band didn't play a single tune off the album, bad ass ;)

What a band!

Alright, what’s on tap for today?
EDIT 2: Alpine Valley 7/7/84 you say...

Funny, I was going to toss out an 84 option since we seem to be on an 80's terror.

Perhaps we can squeeze in something primal soon and something in the 7 1 through 74 range too.

As for primal, perhaps later this week?? It's been years since I listened to 4/23/69.

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 10:46

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Sounds good to me!

And I will second Jim's 4/23/69 Ark pick for tomorrow - should be an interesting contrast.

Since there wasn't yet a pick for today, I loaded up Beacon Theater 6/14/76 from the box, after a morning appetizer of Disc 3 from 4/8/72 Wembley. I got through the first two discs of that one last evening, but HAD to listen to the third before putting it back on the shelf. Favorite Dark Star ever? I dunno, but it is certainly up there! The Beacon Theater show is nice, but it was a little unfair coming right on the heels of that Europe 72 show, as most things are.

Back to the 80s madness! I've actually been to Alpine - the steepest lawn I've ever been on!

Peace

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 10:48

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Is that anywhere near Bong Rec? :-P

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 16:20

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Ha.. yes, I stayed there in 87.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 16:31

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Somehow it seemed to me to be related to Alpine 7.7.84, so I went there today after the Alpine show. There's a Playing Reprise and I'm hitting the epic Dew right now. No hearty post-Space Terrapin though. It's nice to know as a Wisconsinite that we have places like Bong right nearby. :-)

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 19:15

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....twas a good show. Back when there were more 🌳's on the lawn.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Tue, 07/07/2020 - 20:39

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somewhere in my "vault" is a crisp, 8 x 10(?), home darkroom printed, b/w photo ca. summer 1978 of friends and I posing by the sign for the Bong Motel. a pleasant Saturday drive up into the land of cheap beer. Anybody here ever pay tribute to the Andy Gump statue in Lake Geneva?

DeadVikes - yeah the ultramatrix for 7/6/87 ain't too good. if you're still looking for a good source, try this on for size when you have the time. I thought this was a sweet sounding audience on the headphones last night. (Thank you taper Lucien Zaleski! - source 8 of 10 at relisten).

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1987/07/06?source=95912

thanks for more Pittsburgh stories Jim and GOGD! yep 1987 was a fun year! first show for me that spring was the somewhat obscure UIC Pavillion 4-9-87 - watched it from the penalty box (no lie!) blazing scarlet - fire and whole 2nd set. jerry reborn!!

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 07/08/2020 - 03:02

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... Ihello again! Hope all is well with everyone here & also had a grateful weekend holiday!
I started listening to the Grateful Dead’s release from the ‘Road Trips’ Series Vol.3 #3
“Fillmore East 5/15/70” performance!
Now this is some of my favorite dead era/ style of playing ! Love my Pigpen!!!
I can’t find any weak spots in this release, to me, it’s Perfect in every way! 🙏❤️💀🌹
Rock on my brothers and sisters, peace be with you all! Have a grateful day!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/08/2020 - 05:21

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Not that I don't love 5/15/70 but I've got the wayback set to 4/23/69 in post colonial Mass. Playing a little virtual disc golf at Chez Sixtus' 51 years before the 18 posts were securely planted in his back yard makes it just that much easier to cheat and lie about my handicap.. then sip a little kooks aid and off to the Ark.

It's Primal Wednesday here, what could possibly go wrong?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Wed, 07/08/2020 - 08:45

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I liked that idea so I dipped my toe in 7/31/74 (at least my digital files were ripped before disc rot set in). Then, I moved over to the Giants first sets from 1989. It's pretty fun rolling out paint to Franklin's Tower btw.

Going to check out the Ark since it was always the 1st and 2nd shows I had on tape.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 07/08/2020 - 08:56

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Primal Wednesday.
Look at those set lists!

It's hard not to argue that those were the days at least in terms of seeing the Dead.
We'll see if this relisten supports the hypothesis.
And yes, the Ark appears on paper to be a fine candidate for a box set, thanks for asking, let's see how these tapes sound.

Oh how different it would be today if Hunter S. Thompson would've been elected sheriff of Aspen.

Stranger things have happened and not for the better... ie 45

But I digress, maybe that's all hypnocracy

Orly Pory Dominorky!

Say.. have you heard the one about the yellow dog yet?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 07/09/2020 - 20:35

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...did I kill the thread? :D

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/10/2020 - 13:59

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For some reason my post from this morning was deleted???

My suggestion was the big enchilada, 11/17/73, Dave's Picks #5. Let's keep the ball rolling.

Be well folks!

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Submitted by Gollum on Fri, 07/10/2020 - 15:25

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This sounds like a solid pick! As suggested, since this is a legendary show, maybe some leniency is due. Maybe the listening party should be extended through the weekend(?). It's never been a particular favorite of mine, since I don't really like my 73PITB jams interrupted, but I'd be happy to change my mind!

I saw that post and listened to this show.. twas awesome.. did the first half on my morning bike ride, the second half on the Upper Yough. I noticed your post was removed.. I just assumed bolo was involved and we would never see or hear from again. Glad I was wrong on that one..

I actually think they meant to remove my post that used the f work a few posts earlier and missed. But hey.. 4.23.69 was f***ing awesome.

Weird scenes inside the gold mine. Be good all.. so it's 11/17/73 tomorrow and if you already did it today we can catch up one one we missed or listen to whatever the f*** we want to, which is just fine.

11/17/73 is the full enchilada.. spicy and delicious. One of the best of the best...

Weird, my post yesterday got deleted too.

Makes you wonder if you said something wrong...
but Jim dropped the F-bomb and he's still here;)

Mostly was just saying same thing you all are saying, stoked to re-listen to 11/17/73 but need more time.

Cool Shakedown Stream last night, dug that.
Got WMD 50 and am digging that, great job Betty & Bob!! What a recording.
DaP V35 going '84 on us, that's cool.
If my sleuthing is right, that means V36 we should see some Pig era material. You heard it hear first folks!
I got inside info (tongue firmly planted in cheek, I jest, I jest).
Lots going on in Dead Land.

Read some of the goings on on the other boards.. pretty interesting stuff, you all are funny!

And I dug hearing the Ark show the other day JimInMD, nice pick!
I had to go back and listen to 4/21 & 4/22 as well, April '69 is pretty interesting time.
Listen to the difference between the introduction on the first night compared to 4/23, it's pretty funny.

It's cool to think that a year later they'd be testing out the Acoustic set format at the Family Dog followed shortly by the beginning of the "an Evening With" format. Definitely a transitional period in the Dead's history. Always been fascinated with that time period.

Alright, hope you all are doing well.

Got Black Peter WMD playing now.
and my friends they come around..

Damn, sounds so good.

Looking Forward to The Palindrome, we've Heard the first & the last.
BTW: 7/10/90 Jerry jumped right into that Playin' Reprise last night after UJB, I was kinda hoping he'd go back into UJB jam after that, but no.. like Lambert, Lemieux & Mayer were saying last night, you hear something new every time!

Be Well All.

GOGD. That is weird, your post was deleted as well. Did someone complain??

Anyway, thanks for joining me on this one guys. Jim, GOGD, Vguy and Gollum. Hopefully, Gollum, this show did it for you this time.

Drove down to Iowa yesterday to get a puppy for my daughter so I treated the family to this wonderful show and it is a monster. Had to keep the volume much lower than it would be if I was by myself but that is okay, it still rocks. HCS, is always good to hear.. China-Rider, oh yes.
The famous Playing, UJB, Dew, UJB, Playing is a treat and a fantastic ride. Then the big finish with a stellar Eyes Sugar Magnolia, Casey Jones encore. Best pick, maybe, I don't know, but it is really f...... good!

Phil seemed so vocal and serious in the pre hiatus days. Always ready to speak to the crowd and then when they came back, Phil seemed to get a little goofy. His playing was stellar, he just seemed off.

My WD set is coming soon, did anybody get theirs yet?

Be well folks. I will be checking out the second set of last night's Shakedown Stream later tonight. Great show so far 👍

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 16:26

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I noticed both those posts were deleted and mine left.. I am quite sure they meant to delete mine because I correctly used the f work to describe the Arc show. I mean.. sometimes that word is correctly used and if you can't use for a Spring 69 show.. well than, golly and jinkies just aren't good substitutes.

Anyway, I did see your original post, Deadvikes and I was all over it.. a wonderful show that I did listen to fresh within the last six months, but it's not like this one has been overdone. It's a classic and perhaps the best or more aptly my favorite PITB/UJB/MD/UJB/PITB sammy. A stunner.

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 16:37

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Jerry Garcia Band from November 17, 18... 1975 Keystone in Berkeley... This show is smoking hot. Nicky Hopkins sounds awesome and Jerry still has that youthful 75 voice... And by rearranging I mean taking them out of a box.... Never did rip this one.... ooops... This show is a lot better than the New Year's Eve show from 1975... You know the one that they said when it was released that it wasn't their best effort!!!! Have a good weekend everyone... bob t

P.S. I really like the 11/17/73 Pauley Pavilion show!!!! Probably one of my most listened to Dave's... Also my lowest number of 23 of any numbered set.... All that and a free cookie....

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 16:40

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...this Boreal Ridge show is, is, is...it just is. :-P

P.S. I hope they don't nuke my post for going a bit over the top...

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 20:07

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I'm loving my first real deep dive into this renowned show. Great sound with the instruments in perfect balance! I've been listening in bits and pieces so far, but hope to do an uninterrupted listen tomorrow.

* Here Comes Sunshine. I remember Lemieux gushing about this version in his chat. Jerry and Bob's complementary guitar work is mesmerizing here!
* Looks like Rain. there aren't many bad versions of this song are there? Nearly every one packs a punch. Love Garcia's sweet exclamations at 5:20.
*PITB. I do love my PITB jams uninterrupted, but wow the sparks are flying every second of this jam. Quite a difference from the Charlotte 12/10 PITB. Not knocking Charlotte PITB, but maybe those sparks were smaller or more subtle.
*Crispy China Rider!
Hope to do a full listening on a long beach walk tomorrow. We'll see.... thanks for this great pick!

p.s. I think the mysterious message deletions must have been related to the cat litter box spam. There was a cat litter box spam that was deleted about the same time. (I think we are allowed to cuss here, aren't we?)

Let it Rock- probably the JGB release I listen to the most. - also Sophie's 76!

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 07/11/2020 - 21:16

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Ha! how could I have forgotten? The last vocals of this Dew always sounded to me like an unintentional flub-

"Walk me out in the Morning Dew my honey,
Where have all the people gone today?
there's no need for you to be worried.... this morning
I guess it doesn't matter anyway...."

Unintentional or not, that's always been one of my favorite moments in any Dew. It just sounds so perfect. Dang, I just haven't listened to it in so many years...

I knew it was you all along Brewer!!

In truth.. sometimes I cheat and hit the highlights.. other days I disappear completely because I just didn't have time to play... This pandemic did two things for me though.. severely limited my cash flow and gave me a bunch of extra free time. I am very glad for the latter and am making do like everyone else on the former. Thankfully, we are all safe and healthy. I feel we are the lucky ones.

Be good all.. I have to admit.. this thread has been great fun even if I can't play along everyday.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 07/12/2020 - 10:56

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from 1979 is 9-2-79 Augusta. I would like to hear reactions on that one eventually. I do want to hit Englishtown, and Giants '78 towards the end of next month sometime, too. As for today, I may hit Pauley some more or even venture somewhere else, Binghamton '79 I'm looking at you....

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 07/12/2020 - 17:03

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Jim, cheaters never prosper🤠

It is great to have people join in when they can. Sometimes life gets in the way.

Wilfred, is there a pick in there? I am ready.

Be well folks and everybody hang loose.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 07/12/2020 - 18:36

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Was fun enough. I skipped a couple tunes though. Bob definitely got his slide practice in. Jerry was achieving some fine tones, but Brent was pretty low in the mix at key times. It's probably not the best of May '79, and leaves me wondering which are the hotter shows of the tour.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 07/12/2020 - 20:31

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Cheers fellow cheater. I frequently skip Mexicali's too. We are mortally flawed.

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 00:48

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So that's how you do it. I have noticed, at this time, that I prefer up tempo songs to slower ones, irrespective of the lyrical content . So Mexicali Blues appeals to me more than... say, Stella Blue, to pick one ballad out of the ether. Friend of the Devil was better for me when it rocked. There is only so many times that I can listen to the same story, but rock n' roll, as the saying goes, never dies.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 10:04

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DEADVIKES looks like it's You & Me bro..

Whatcha want to listen too?

They were talking about 9/20/70 the other day on DaP board which made me wanna give that an ole relisten -
https://archive.org/details/gd1970-09-20.140665.sbd.boswell.smith.mille…

Or we could look at some '84 in preparation of DaP V35. The next night 4/21/84 has a tasty set list and It's been awhile (EDIT: Actually I might've listened to this on 4/21/20.. but yeah, almost 3 months, that's awhile, right?!?) -
https://archive.org/details/gd1984-04-21.137247.sbd.miller.flac1648

LMK if either of those peak your interest. Or toss something out and we can decide.

That is if my comment isn't deleted ;)

Did you get WMD 50 yet?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 13:05

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Thanks for hanging in there GOGD. I would not mind taking a look at the 1984 show. Let's do it. 4/21/84 it is.

Yes, I did receive my WD set, but have not cracked it open yet? How about you?

Bam!

Sweet and Likewise.

Yeah, I got WMD download so I checked it out. Sounds amazing.

There's a brief 2 second drop out in Live UJB on the DL, so hoping to get that remedied.

It's weird cuz that happened with my Aoxomoxoa download too, last track 2 second drop out on bonus material, but Dead.net was cool about getting it fixed. Technical gremlins always getting in there and messing with stuff.

Alright man, looks like we got some '84 in order today.

Be well and look forward to what you think.
Enjoy!

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 13:39

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Going through my cd's that have been in a box for about a year or so.... Gave my man cave/office to my daughter.... on the bonus disc Garcia plays Dylan again, anyone know where and when the It Takes a Lot to Laugh It Takes a Train to Cry is from....... (sort of fun to re discover discs that I never burned!!!! Thanks in advance... Bob t

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 07/13/2020 - 13:53

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Appreciate it......... Bob T... Listening to 7/29/74 Landover bonus disc..... much better than I remember, only listened to a few times I guess in 2012......

The second set was off the hook. Crystal clean licks from Jerry on the Slipknot! and Franklins. I was listening to the Charlie Miller, sounded quite good.

What versions were you guys listening to?