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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

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  • Vguy72
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    PSA. Data breach at WMA....

    ....i got a letter in the mail yesterday notifying me of a cybersecurity incident involving a number of e-commerce websites operated by Warner Music Group.
    Quote...." On August 5, 2020, we learned that an unauthorized third party had compromised a number of US-based e-commerce websites WMG operates but that are hosted and supported by an external service provider. This allowed the unauthorized third-party to potentially acquire a copy of the personal information you entered into one or more of the affected website(s) between April 25, 2020 and August 5, 2020.
    While we cannot definitely confirm that your personal information was affected, it is possible that it might have been as your transaction(s) occurred during the period of compromise. If it was, this might have exposed you to a risk of fraudulent transactions being carried out using your details."
    Does say later that payments made through PayPal were not affected.
    I use PayPal.
    Anyone else get this letter??

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    To many Double IPAs

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    I've only seen the Rolling Stones play live one time, it was 1994 at the Voodoo Lounge tour. I really enjoyed the show. They opened the show with Not Fade Away. Apparently, they had a place there for famous people called the Voodoo Lounge, and I read that Garcia and Weir were both in there during the show. Anyways, I thought the Stones sounded great.

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    I love the Rolling Stones. I had my old man's eight tracks in the early seventies... I remember when Some Girls came out and we would continually be snatching the house copy of it back and forth from each other. I was 10.

    Seen them live several times, most recently last summer at Mile High Stadium. I have never felt that the Stones were a great live band. They're all over the goddamn place... they never sound much like their records. Which is neither here nor there, depending on what you're looking for, but they went from the raw (Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!) to the aforementioned late 70's / early 80's affairs with sped up tempos, to the glossed over machine they became on Steel Wheels to date.

    Point being, I didn't buy the Brussels Affair when it came out as I already have so many live Stones albums and rarely play them - except for Twenty Flight Rock and Going To A Go-Go off Still Life.

    I bit on the iTunes version of this. The audio is cleaned up nicely, there are a number of unearthed gems and it is a great Mick Taylor live show. I've been playing it for two days now. I think it was like twenty bucks and change. For anyone on the fence, I say, go for it.

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    Keith - that Waiting For A Friend dates from 1973. Yes, that should have been included with the extras for sure.

    Probably because I kept on seeing them - the last time was 2007, I think, I do like some of their live recordings from the 1990s up to about 2007. One thing I would highly recommend...to anyone reading this with soul...is the live versions of Gimme Shelter featuring Lisa Fischer. She truly soars through the heavens on this song. I last heard it on the blu ray Bridges to Beunos Ares, bought last week, ( which also features Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger duetting on Like A Rolling Stone - shambolic!), and it is truly amazing. Another great version is on the Totally Stripped box set- from Amsterdam 1995. The sound is incredible on this-Keith Richards sounds as though he is in the room with you - which might or might not be a good thing. One of the remarkable things about the Bridges to Beunos Ares blu ray is the massive crowd, which goes absolutely bananas from the first song.

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    What I wouldn't give to have seen them with Mick Taylor! Yes they were outstanding onstage in those days, and to be honest, I never would have known it if I hadn't stumbled on the "Ladies and Gentlemen the Rolling Stones" movie concert a year or two before they released Brussels Affair.

    I was watching VH-1 or AXS (one of those music TV stations), and wham, he'll right in the middle of the opener, Brown Sugar. The thing they caught me first was that Mick Jagger was actually singing, not huffing and puffing out the lyrics. Up until that time I had only heard live albums from the Ron Wood era: Love You Live, Still Life, and Flashpoint, all of which pretty much featured a band whizzing through songs, sloppy as can be. I assumed Mick Jagger was simply just a studio singer, and pretty much the same of Keith as a guitar player. I enjoyed the Hits From The Ron Wood years, but certainly not the live content.

    I had been a fan of the Brian Jones and especially the Mick Taylor years for quite some time without ever hearing the band play live from '71 - '73. Then along came the movie concert from '72 on TV, and whoa - Mick was singing! Actually singing. Keith was at his legendary best, which I had also taken as myth, and Mick Taylor was everything and more on stage (he quietly sat back and played his ass off loudly, and with all the virtuoso we hear from him in the studio). Keith (by his own admission) once famously spent a couple of hours in the studio improvising a bridge or solo, or something, and was really just at his wits end trying to land the right notes. Taylor wasn't there, but he eventually showed up, listened for a couple of minutes, picked up his guitar and played exactly what Keith was struggling for. This was close to the end of Mick's tenure with the band; Keith turned to him and only half-jokingly said, "that's why I hate you man." Mick was light years ahead of the rest of the band musically.

    The Goats Head box would be worth it for any casual to serious Stones fan who doesn't already own The Brussels Affair. My commentary on that show was strictly in comparison to the '72 Ladies and Gentlemen release. If I didn't already have Brussels, I would snatch up the box on release day. It would have been nice for them to have included the embryonic Waiting on a Friend. I was also hoping for the rumored extended version of Dancing with Mr D.

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    What I wouldn't give to have seen them with Mick Taylor! Yes they were outstanding onstage in those days, and to be honest, I never would have known it if I hadn't stumbled on the "Ladies and Gentlemen the Rolling Stones" movie concert a year or two before they released Brussels Affair.

    I was watching VH-1 or AXS (one of those music TV stations), and wham, he'll right in the middle of the opener, Brown Sugar. The thing they caught me first was that Mick Jagger was actually singing, not huffing and puffing out the lyrics. Up until that time I had only heard live albums from the Ron Wood era: Love You Live, Still Life, and Flashpoint, all of which pretty much featured a band whizzing through songs, sloppy as can be. I assumed Mick Jagger was simply just a studio singer, and pretty much the same of Keith as a guitar player. I enjoyed the Hits From The Ron Wood years, but certainly not the live content.

    I had been a fan of the Brian Jones and especially the Mick Taylor years for quite some time without ever hearing the band play live from '71 - '73. Then along came the movie concert from '72 on TV, and whoa - Mick was singing! Actually singing. Keith was at his legendary best, which I had also taken as myth, and Mick Taylor was everything and more on stage (he quietly sat back and played his ass off loudly, and with all the virtuoso we hear from him in the studio). Keith (by his own admission) once famously spent a couple of hours in the studio improvising a bridge or solo, or something, and was really just at his wits end trying to land the right notes. Taylor wasn't there, but he eventually showed up, listened for a couple of minutes, picked up his guitar and played exactly what Keith was struggling for. This was close to the end of Mick's tenure with the band; Keith turned to him and only half-jokingly said, "that's why I hate you man." Mick was light years ahead of the rest of the band musically.

    The Goats Head box would be worth it for any casual to serious Stones fan who doesn't already own The Brussels Affair. My commentary on that show was strictly in comparison to the '72 Ladies and Gentlemen release. If I didn't already have Brussels, I would snatch up the box on release day. It would have been nice for them to have included the embryonic Waiting on a Friend. I was also hoping for the rumored extended version of Dancing with Mr D.

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    Billly the Kid - excellent cut by Little Walter. I have never heard anyone who made a harmonica sound so expressive-wonderful tone. Having said that, apart from Charlie Musslewhite ( and even there, I am not familiar with his music) I have never even heard of the other harp players you refer to. Some checking out to do, I think.

    Keith - I enjoyed reading your thoughts on Goats Head Soup. I was 16 when that came out, and as I had a ticket to see them the month it came out-September 1973 - I thought I'd buy it to get some idea of what they sounded like. It was the first Stones album I got - I just had a vague memory of their singles at this point. In comparison with contemporaneous offerings by David Bowie, Black Sabbath Hawkwind etc it sounded quite middle of the road. The only track that really rocked was Starfucker. I can remember the press making much of the fact that Mick Jagger was now 30, and whether he was now too pooped to pop ( seemingly unaware that many of the new glam breed were about the same age).
    But live...they were amazing !-a fantastic night. Suddenly, Goats Head Soup shot up in my estimation and I began buying all their other albums. Today, I rank it with the 4 others from Beggars Banquet onwards-although most people rate it less highly than the 4 that came before it.

    This new edition looks like the rip off of the year. As you say, Brussels Affair has already been released as a download. The price of it is ridiculous, too. It all meant so much to me at the time though, that I am still sort of tempted.

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    . https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5xj7gwFOvcM. Send this one out to Dave Rock , over in England. I also dedicate this to Charlie Musselwhite, Gary Smith, Mark Ford and Rick Estrin, the greatest blues harmonica players alive.

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    Thanks for posting this article. Every six months or so I check to see if there are any plans for the type of reissue of this album that Sticky Fingers and Exile received. Those two records had fantastic unreleaseded live tracks and studio outtakes.

    What a disappointment to hear they're simply re-releasing The Brussels Affair as the companion piece. I already own the digital copy that was on the Rolling Stones website 8 years ago. It would be like reissuing American Beauty with the Download Series show from October '71. No sense in re-spending money on that - it's already been engineered and mastered professionally. Strike 1.

    The author of the article is correct in saying that the two standout tracks from The Brussels affair are You Can't Always Get What You Want and Midnight Rambler. Probably the two best live versions of those songs. Beyond that, the album is a starfucker less than Ladies and Gentlemen The Rolling Stones (this was the movie from the Exile on Main St tour that was in movie theaters shortly after the Exile tour, and then shelved for 30 years; eventually it was released on Blu-ray and then later on CD). Brussels is a great live show, don't misunderstand me, but Ladies and Gentlemen is from a year earlier, has almost the exact same setlist, and is played a little bit tighter and sung a little bit better). The primary difference is more Goats Head songs that don't measure up to the songs they replace from the Exile concert (which itself is the best of four shows). Beyond Doo x5 (Heartbreaker) and Dancing with Mr. D, the live Goats Head tracks don't really do much for me. Did I mention they already released this almost 10 years ago? Strike 2.

    The author of the article stated he could "imagine how much of a bummer Goats Head Soup must have felt in the moment. But for those of us who came along later, and without the generational baggage, Goats Head Soup has an incredible, melancholic beauty".
    I was a year-and-a-half-old when this record came out, and I have to disagree with him on this point. It has three great songs on it and a whole lot of missed opportunities that separate it from the previous four albums. It was so close to greatness too (Can You Hear The Music, Hide Your Love, and 100 Years Ago almost caught it) - bloody shame. By and large it does not rock, it does not transition mood easily or frequently enough, and as the author also pointed out, there are too many guest musicians (it feels very un-Stonesy). If it rocked more they could have gotten away with it; but it is primarily a morose downer, as the author implied. If I wanted melancholy I would listen to The Cure. Strike 3.

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm getting Dave's Picks subscriptions to get complete shows regardless of the length of the show and I'm pretty sure this is the root of some of the disagreement here. If you are getting this to get as many minutes of music as possible, you're going to have a different view than if you are getting these just to get a complete show with each release. Personally, I haven't picked up several of the compilation Road Trips just because the compilation model doesn't really interest me at this point. I can't explain why this particular eccentricity afflicts me, but I guess you just dig what you dig, no need to overthink it and nothing against those who enjoy the compilation model. When I listen to the Dead it is almost always either a studio album or an entire show and any filler is typically just a distraction for me. Again, if you like the filler, don't take it personally that I do not. If this is an occasional thing with Dave's Picks it will be a minor inconvenience for me, and if it is a regular thing then it will diminish my enjoyment and interest in the series. That will mean more copies for those of you that do dig that format, so no harm done either way. You can chalk up my lack of interest in burning copies or programming the CD player every time that I listen to something to my Luddite tendencies.

As far as the fact this is an '84 show, that doesn't bother me a bit, I'm looking forward to having another show from '84 and as always, when I listen I'll know how much I like it. I'll take a full show from whatever year Dave Picks, that is not at all an issue for me. I don't know what makes someone a seasoned deadhead or not, and my guess is that 20 different deadheads will give you 20 different answers (isn't that cool?), so I'm not sure how enthusiasm for this release or the manner in which the filler was added correlates to someones internalized deadhead hierarchy, but if it helps anyone, feel free to think of me as a bad, bad deadhead for my criticism of the filler choices on this release.

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First I must state I was making a general statement after opening up this board for the first time and reading all 10 pages from stem to stern, for good or for ill. I’m sure I was reacting to a general vibe I felt (so that basically meaningless “I” ) I in no way meant any individual and especially not you! Your a long time favorite and often a voice of reason here.
In fact, I agreed with everything you said except the part about your not dead enough? I especially enjoyed the 20 DH’s will give you 20 different answers. That’s the shit I love and miss!

So to all I should clarify:
the “issues” seems to be
1- complete shows verses chop jobs
2- too much “dead” space
3- sequencing of said complete shows

Like most things there is not going to be a perfect fit, so the topic becomes how to achieve all of the above, or if not possible?...what then?
My clarification is complete shows (wouldn’t mind having to miss say one song if it’s a extra great show), but if there’s extra disc space, perhaps reasonably add extra material, especially in example, 9/2/80, which Dick said was all there was, and why he used it as filler...as far as sequencing, we’ll that’s probably more the issue, and it’s probably really contingent on how your listening. And that I’m not touching with a ten foot pole as how you dig something should be whatever is best for you, imho...

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No worries Oro, I didn't see anything objectionable at all about your earlier post, just made me think there was probably a fundamental split in what people hope to get out of these releases, and I like posts that make me think, so thanks. The back and forth on these threads sometimes leads to exposure to different insights and sometimes some pretty funny shit. Which begs the question, where are the jokes lately? I'm talking to you Vguy72 (but in a totally nice, hey dig your jokes kind of way, not in any way to make anyone go all Travis Bickle on the situation). And don't be afraid to provide an explainer along with the jokes, took me a day to get the Thermos Tat joke. But I really enjoyed it all the more when I got it. Been on a serious time crunch lately, so my listening time has been pretty limited, but I am looking forward to the 2/21/71 show. But yeah, the mood around here lately makes it seem like we're in the middle of some sort of global pandemic or something...which would seem like the perfect time for some humor to me.

Edit: And thanks for the kind words Oro.

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Yeah, what’s up with the jokes dude?

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These 3 nights are great but the magic shows from that spring Tour in 84 were the second in Hampton and the Niagara Falls show. Those shows are amazing! The whole Spring tour was an amazing! People say that Jerry was off . I have to say that the Heads danced their butts off kicking down the floor seats and singing their lungs out! This was my favorite tour. Lots of love for the band and each other.

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I couldn’t have said it better, but I feel the exact same way.

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Does anyone else have any issues seeing the description, track listing, & comments on a pc computer? I can obviously see this info on my iPhone, as I’m posting this now, but I can’t see any info for any of the products on Dead.net on my laptop.

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I can't get to 'Comments' via the main 'Product' pages either (I tried unsuccessfully on Dave's 34 & 35 and WMD). It didn't matter if I was using Chrome, Firefox or Safari on my MacBook Pro – the links on the main 'Product' pages don't work – all that loads is the product image, Listening Party, Dave's Backyard Chat and dead* links to 'Description', 'Product Details', 'Track Listing', and 'Comments'. Weird. . . guess they'll get the links fired back up at some point. Onward.

* That's 'dead', not 'Dead' ;-)

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rolls over into a discussion thread. This is normal. And you can get back to the product listing with the link at the top left.
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So glad to see a show from a new year in this series! I had to play Augusta ME 10/12/84 to get the vibe going. Thanks again Dave!

I’ve had a few days where posts don’t show up right away, and one night I could post on one board, but not another, but couldn’t edit....and when I can go to the store and go to say Dave’s Picks for example, I can see comments, track listing, product details etc, but when you click on any of these nothing happens...

I have (obviously) been able to access this board by going to dead.net, not into the store, and community>>products>>Dave’s 35 etc...oh, I’m using an iPad if that helps/matters?

Thanks for your help as always!

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NICE!, look out senator, there’s a new hired gun in town....he’s a real clucker!
I know, weak sauce! Lol

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Tell us more...
We were at 4/16 & 17 in the front row, but due to extreme Vegetable protein don’t recall much....think Niagara’s Falls was hot but don’t remember much of Rochester and haven’t really checked these out yet....
Where you there and if so what do you recall?

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I had the same experience, the tabs for track listing, product details are there but nothing shows up under the tabs when I clicked on them, checked on my phone and everything worked. Hadn't checked back since it happened a day or two ago, but I just checked again now and had the same issue. I thought it was just me.

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That's right. If i click on the Dave's Picks icon and get to the product page I see the 'Description', 'Product Details', 'Track Listing' and 'Comments' tabs, but if I click on any of them nothing happens.

The way I can get to the chat is to click on the thread directly from the homepage, under the 'Grateful Dead Community' section.

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"Someday they won't let you, now you must agree
The times they are a-telling, and the changing isn't free
You've read it in the tea leaves, and the tracks are on TV
Beware the Savage Jaw...of 1984"

But I digress....

Cued up 7/3/84--Starlight Theater to catch this 84 wave, and when Scarlet Begonias appeared I was like "alright, alright, alright...little Scar-Fire to add some boogie to my dull day"...but wait....,was it??..... it was....The Boys squeezed "Touch of Grey" in between for an unusual Scar>Touch>Fire. Sneaky good shit, I must admit.....

https://archive.org/details/gd84-07-03.aud.willy.14909.sbeok.shnf

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Diamond Dogs...first 8-Track I ever bought...weather in a packed car full of friends and smoke, or at keg parties hidden deep in the woods, we wore that mother out! Good times.....

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Yes Rochester was amazing right out of gate with Shakedown and like you the whole tour was dosed! I have listened to Niagara and still to this day one of my favorites. The Morning Dew from the second night at Hampton is killer. All the shows from Philly where excellent. Jerry looked bad but he played incredibly. I loved this spring tour.

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I was there at that show!!! about 15 people back from the stage!!! still truckin!! lol

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...am ecstatic for this release. This is why I subscribe. Been waiting for This era to get tapped since Dick's Picks and From The Vault. Jerry's health issues aside his guitar playing was often transcending during this period.

On a side note was listening to the bonus disc from this years Jai Alai release. That PITB has everything in the jam. Goes from melodic, to minor key jamming then a brief subtle moment that suddenly becomes a crazy jam based on the chord progression similar to a heavy Slipknot type vibe into some melancholy wah wah back into the Playin theme. I think I fell in love with this version.

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Good times indeed ! Coincidentally, a few weeks ago I bought the red vinyl copy that came out on RSD last year, and it sounds amazing in that format - better than the recently remastered cd.

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Thanks Mary! Website's workin' real good once more – existential free fall averted. . . Onward.

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Been enjoying this show on the archive since this release was announced. All this talk about spring 84 has sent me on a mission to dive into more shows from this era, which reminds of the old days when listening to one show would send me down a rabbit hole of discovery. Would be really cool if one release per year was dedicated to the early-mid 80s.

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Ok I take it all back; I see now that these were designed with a zippered stash pocket in the tongue. Ingenious - that would have come in handy in the frisk line back in the daze.

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Is on the way! Yeah!!

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Dont forget the kangaroos high-top of the 80's with the hidden zippered stash pocket on the side kangaroo logo.

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https://archive.org/details/gd1984-07-21.112806.beyer-senn.daweez.d5sco…

Shakedown Street
Little Red Rooster
Althea
Me and My Uncle
Mexicali Blues
China Cat Sunflower
I Know You Rider
Looks Like Rain
Might As Well

Cold Rain and Snow
Far From Me
Truckin'
Eyes of the World
drums
The Other One
Stella Blue
Around and Around
One More Saturday Night

Touch of Grey

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Agreed, whats the deal with the hairy shoes? What if we had to enter a sweepstakes to be eligible to buy Dave's picks, or the next box set? I know that the shoe culture is huge in this country and people pay insane prices for limited edition shoes all the time, but surprised that dead culture has abutted that. C'est la vie.

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Now there is someone who knows a bit about shoes.

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It's a real joke that they cost so much.

Just a pair of shoes. How does anyone have the nerve to ask prices like that. The evil face of greed and capitalism.

Think how bad you would feel if you stepped in dog shit whilst wearing them.

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for the hairy shoes?! I feel like such an idiot. Here I've been collecting limited edition shows and box sets, but the money was in the shoes the whole time. It's like when Indy has to find the holy grail in the last crusade and you think its going to be the gilded one with all the jewels, but no, its the crappy plain cup over on the side behind all the cobwebs.

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.....I've seen some of their shoes go for a lot more that that on ebay. In the end, they're just shoes. The only shoes i would ever purchase that are over a hundred bucks are Birkenstocks.

Last 5 favorite shoe songs:

Walk a Mile in My shoes Joe South
Travellin' Shoes Little Richard
Blue Suede Shoes Sid King & 5 Strings
These Boots are Made for Walking Nancy Sinatra/Megadeth
High Heel Sneakers GD

I don't know about you guys, but thanks to Covid and my work from home situation, I haven't actually worn shoes since march. Strictly flip-flops.

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Right. Remind me what shoes are again.. it's been a while.

As for pricing, ski boots can get a little pricy.. but I am guessing in Vegas you might not know what I am talking about. You can sub birks for flip flops in 80's post for me too. And river booties I guess..

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H1z45jVlM34. One of my favorite songs, I have never seen Fats Domino, Jim I believe you saw him. I was told he couldn't come to Calif. for some legal reason, don't know if that's true. My brother played this song on his radio show for a friend who passed to early back in 1981, that's what I relate this song to.

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