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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • The Good Ole G…
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    What a First Set!!

    Can only imagine what it was like to see this band back then, literally :)

    That's gotta be up there with greatest ever Set 1.. if there is such a thing
    EDIT: Forgot 3/2/69 in my excitement.. so never mind the "greatest ever" language, Great Set 1!

  • The Good Ole G…
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    Sleigh Bells Ring, are you listening?

    I can still remember how excited I was when they announced One From The Vault

    When I got the 2 CD set (which is next to me and has very small print that I can barely read now, but no "Disc Rot";) and listened to the music contained within it was a revelation:

    This show is amazing! And it's complete and sounds incredible! This is how it could be! This could change everything! I could get all the shows sounding like this! They might release like a show a month or something! It's going to be off the hook! How will I afford it all?!?!

    1991 the flood gates opened
    with a trickle..

    pretty cool

    PS -
    The Sleigh Bells in Slipknot!
    The Harmonies in The Music Never Stopped..
    Oh Boy!
    I love this show:)

    Be Well All, got some Fun Listening to do today.

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    Make Believe Ballroom

    Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

    Goog the name. The things we can learn here.

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    8/13/75 great choice

    This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t

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    An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

  • The Good Ole G…
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    Good stuff!

    JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

    I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

    Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

    Fun Discussions tonight all.

    Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

    Until then be well

  • DeadVikes
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    Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

    Oroborous, appreciate the information.

    Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

    Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

    Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

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    Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

    Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

    But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

    I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

    Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

    Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

    I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

    Nite all.

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    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

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    Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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China>Rider 10/29/80
Estimated>Eyes Hampton '79

After that, I don't know where I'll go next. Already spun the '73 selection from the Taper's Section this morning.

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Getting into 84 lately prepping for 35...was at 4/16&17 but not familiar with them?
Don’t know if anybody would be interested in one or both of those this week? Just throwing it out there...

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Checking into the 1st set for a bit. We'll see what comes up next? Maybe some Jerry Band?

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Make the call Oroborous. I am always interested in checking out new shows.

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Always pick right. :-)

How many picky Deadheads does it take to make a pick?

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If I could only own 2 box sets, the Complete Recordings of the Fillmore West would be one of them, the other the Europe 72 box.

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3/2/69 it is......

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does it take to screw in a light bulb?.....
2, one to screw in the bulb, one to stand there and go “nice turns!”....

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By the way, did anyone see that video footage from Englishtown that's on Youtube? I think first time I might have seen video footage from the concert. It was in color, too. Any chance the whole thing was video taped, or at least good portions of it?

The snippets I saw left me wanting more. Have a grateful day everybody! :-)

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No, I have never seen any footage of Englishtown. I will have to check that out. Thanks for the tip on that WTJ.

Haven't heard from Bolo for a while. Hopefully a 75 pick will get your attention and let us know if we will be seeing any other releases besides Dave's and American Beauty Anniversary release.

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I hear Pyongyang is nice this time of year. Or Iceland. Those are my guesses.

Looking to my inner consciousness, I can't decide if Englishtown is over or under-rated. I guess I will punt on this. It's worthy. I personally like the end of the He's Gone jam, but the Eyes of the World was always a highlight. I guess sometimes you have to accept and be happy with the win. Through all the pomp and circumstance, it's a very well played show.. one of the great ones.

For me this show is really special. I grew up as a huge fan of Blues for Allah. Used to have the tapestry in my room for several years. I think this finally meet its demise sometime in 2014.
Anyway, if you haven't listened to this show in a while or ever, you need to check it out. First set is filled with Blues for Allah tracks and a separated Franklins, great Big River and a great version of It must have been the Roses. Then they go into a great Truckin, Eleven, Drums and my personal favorite Milkin the Turkey! Love this Milkin the Turkey.
Finish it up with a NFA, GDTRFB and One More Saturday Night.
Only complaint the show ended.
Sound quality is A+.

Big Fan of Blues for Allah too. I regret I am two days behind.. two back to back great shows.

Great picks.. I might get the chance to play catch up tomorrow.. provided I don't stay up too late watching 06/21/89 Shoreline Amphitheatre on YouTube. Did we pick this one yet? It's kinda good.

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Jim, I don't believe we have listened to the 6/21/89 Shoreline show. Let's do it, haven't met a Shoreline show I didn't like yet.

Be well folks and we need to hear from a few of you out there.

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I stayed home and taped this off the radio, it's a nice show. I wonder if this was broadcast nationally?

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I'm going with the video today. I am laying flooring and will be able have it on a screen fed into some (albeit crappy) external speakers. Not even going to check the setlist, so it'll be more like if it were live. Long time since I listened to my tapes of this one. Thanks Jim.

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...where I had very limited internet access (aside from my phone,) so I missed out on a bunch of picks. Other than missing this board and having access to the Archive, I really didn't mind the disconnect.

Glad to see that 3/18/77 was the pick for my B'Day. That is one of my 77 faves... I too would love to see another 77 box set collecting those Winterland shows.

Today is Shoreline 89? Sounds groovy to me.

Peace

Was on pay for view live, with simulcast on FM. Funny, my cousin and I watched it on a tiny little TV, but through big McIntosh system: C 40, MC2300, and XR 7 speakers. Tape I made was awesome except for the obnoxious station ids in bad places and I needed to pop in another tape so think I have a gap? Used to not dig this one so much, think it’s grown on me more since. But compared to most of the rest of summer tour.....
Not a big Clarence fan either, meaning I dig the dude, but always felt like he was a fish outta water with the Dead. Think there’s some Jerry shows he seems better on? Believe we saw him at the June 90 Warfield shows and he was good? Actually waiting on Vol 13 as I was told he’s pretty good on that one...originally got scared off...
Now that y’all brought 6/21 up, maybe I’ll try and watch that one in the theatre tonight? Think today & tomorrow I’m going to do those 84 shows I proposed earlier this week, kinda digging the 84 lately...

EDIT: belated happy, happy, joy, joy to Otis!

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I knew there was a reason I celebrated that day!!

I thought Clarence did an ok job last night, it was an enjoyable show.. then again, I must have been celebrating someone else's birthday here because I was a little buzzed.

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It was a good one! Spent the night and early morning hours with my corners a considerable bit brighter, listening to nearly all of The Beatles from Help on with the wife and a dear friend, then a solo sunrise walk with my dog, then alone, on the beach while the sun came up and I came down, listening to Dave's 5... pretty sweet stuff.

Speaking of... have we done Dave's 5 yet? I could listen to it again (and again, and again, and again...) If not, how about for tomorrow 7/23? If so, I hear there is an 84 party going on somewhere around these parts.

Peace

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Anyone want to give this one a shot? I've heard some good reviews on it. The other one I might propose for today would be 5/25/74. Either of these good?

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The Tempe AZ show. Let's give it a shot. It is November 73, hope the SBD is good.

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Dave's 5 was one of the days I was out. No worries. I thought that it was odd we hadn't hit that one yet.

Sticking with the Fall of 73, I am all for firing up 11/25/73 - There are two copies on the archive, one with "filler" between sets, one without. The second set looks to be on the short side:

Around
Eyes>
WRS
Casey Jones
Sugar Mag >
GDTRFB >
OMSN
We Bid you Goodnight.

Here is the link to the show without the filler (it is the Charlie Miller transfer): https://archive.org/details/gd1973-11-25.sbd.miller.113007.flac16

Now, the other one has the whole show, plus some interesting filler... it is the heart of the second set from 12/4/71 Felt Forum, and includes M&MU>TOO>Mexicali>TOO>Wharf Rat. Seems odd to include such a different era, but it does come between sets, and it could be thought of as intermission music. Hmm... anyway, here is the link to the DeadLists SBD with filler: https://archive.org/details/gd73-11-25.sbd.sacks.2213.sbeok.shnf

I think I might go with the Charlie Miller without filler, then follow it up with the whole 12/4/71 show. I love that Felt Forum run.

Happy listening, DeadLand!

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I love towards the end when Bob says, "Everybody turn around and dig the sunset" (or something along those lines)... For some reason I can visualize that moment...... last show before that end of the year tour that is so famous.... On a side not just got The Ritz shows 1/27 & 1/28/86 in mail. Wasn't suppose to come until saturday. Going to listen to first and then Feyline... Bob t

P.S. just remembered it Bob's dig the sunset might not be on the Miller version, on my cassette tape that I listened to a 1000 times on my sony walkman!!!!

Can only imagine where they might of gone if they hadn’t lost Brentski? How long would they have rode the crest of the wave.... Here’s to Brent, (imagine my toast held high....ok, it’s only emer-gen-cy , but it’s still a toast!)

6/21/89: well, the word that kept coming up was fickle, this show is all over the place. Poor Bob can’t get a break which seems to mess with his mojo until at least Cassidy? Maybe even not fully until second set? Jerry has a couple flubs early on like TOG, but more than makes up for it with hot versions of many songs, and like most of summer 89 he’s smiling and dancing, and he and Brent look like a couple of kids in love, beautiful to watch, especially after the permanent chin glued to the chest years....Clarence does better than I remember, but you can tell he’s mostly winging it, which is hard to do with Dead music. If your a muscian who’s played this music live, and have ever had a neophyte sit in, perhaps you know what I mean?
That is to say, nothing against the big man, as the majority of folks I’ve seen sit in have the same scenario except on easier, we’ll known tunes like say NFA etc... The Dead are just so unique that it’s not easy to wing it, even fir them sometimes! Lol
So though I consider it a good show, compared to many of the great shows of summer 89, I still don’t feel it’s top shelf where mama hides the cookies...which is like saying it’s only a BMW and not a Porsche!
Speaking of 89, really looking forward to the SS Friday with 9/29/89! Never heard this one and of course we get the big reveal, and it will be interesting to see how this falls within the spectrum of Summer to Fall 89?
Did superficial 4/16/84 yesterday. About how I (didn’t) remember it, meaning similar to above, good show, but not sure I’d say top tour echelon? Might try today’s 73 pick and 4/17/84 as I need to get caught up at work so need the motivation! Well, nothing to it but to do it!....Rock on mi amigos!

EDIT: somewhere someone started a shoe song list....how bout Sailin’ Shoes, by......wait for it.....Little Feet (cue rom shot)

Hi-Ya

Happy Belated Birthday Otis, sounds like you did it up right.
Welcome Back.

Got the Jerry Acoustic CDs Volume 14 and Bonus and am digging them.
The sound quality is excellent and the performances are real enjoyable.

Due to my obsessive Grateful Dead collecting and the investment that requires, I’ve pretty much avoided most of the solo stuff as my time and means are limited.

That being said, this one peaked my interest due to the GD material covered and the bonus CD.
I’m a sucker for limited edition bonus CDs.
So I bit and now I might’ve got bit back.

While listening I decided to look into what else was out there in regards to Garcia & Kahn acoustic performances. And yeah, that’s a whole other wormhole that appears pretty deep.

Kinda blown away with some of my (new to me, old to some) discoveries, for instance if you look at the number of performances Jerry played in ’82, when you combine his Grateful Dead touring with his solo projects.. God Damn I declare! I’m amazed with his output. Especially when you consider ’82, as far as I understand it, Jer was beginning to really struggle with addiction issues. How he managed to play / work this much is truly remarkable and a credit to his strength and determination to create music. Impressive to say the least.

That brings me to my tie in, looking at the Jerry solo stuff, I stumbled on the 11/28/73 Jerry Garcia, Mickey, Phil & Ned Lagin stuff that’s floating around out there. Some truly trippy excursions into weirdness. Digging it.

And lo, when I look at the pick today, it’s 11/25/73.

Cool…

Hey Oroborous, you mentioned tomorrow night we get the big reveal during the SS. What are you referring to?

Good to see you GOGD. Thought maybe you were trapped out in Portland.

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Absolute insanity going on in this Country and my hometown.

Meanwhile I was deep in the throes of the Fillmore West 1969 Box set after the 3/2/69 pick and needed to listen to all of it. Desert Island Dead during my Desert Island Pandemic Reality.

This Darkness has got to give.

But it's nice to be missed :)

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Deadvikes: reveal meaning the first Death Don’t...I’m really stoked for this show!

GOGD: yeah was worried you got caught up in all that madness in P town etc, I mean if the Government is just plucking citizens off the street in unmarked vans etc, well who’s more subversive than us rabble rousing hippies lol.....(think loud angry cop voice “sir, we need you to step away from that tape deck and put your hands in the air, and drop that weapon immediately”......aaaaaa, ya mean this joint?? Lol.

Now if we could only find Four Winds Blow........and David Duryea (sp?)
And dammit Dave, what about Gainesville!

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VGUY: A million times prior to now, but not since this stuff started happening. Covid concerns.

OB - Hahaha that's a roger. LOL. Step away from the tape deck sir.. and what's that you're holding? At least weed is legal here now. Shit is crazy.

Definitely a Shakedown Street to avoid.

And a Shakedown Stream to look forward too.

I edited out the rest of this to keep it on point of the music and good times.

Happy to talk state of the nation elsewhere :)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

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Looking forward to that Oroborous.

I will stay away from the hate. I don't come to this place for that crap.

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Listened to Garcia 14 first.... Feyline is good from start to finish.... No giant jam but you get a set ending Playing, then an around and around followed by Eyes into Weather Report, (50 plus minutes for 4 songs) so you sort of get the jammed out feeling.... have a good night everyone.... bob t

There's a few of us here that have tapped into quite the collection of Jerry stuff, talking about the unreleased stuff.

Bet you know who we are and where to find us, but there is a good bit of acoustic Jerry and John stuff floating around.

In fact.. I need to double check my facts, but I think my first Jerry Show was Jerry and John at the Lisner Auditorium in DC circa 82 or 83??? I remember it being a short show but quite good.

Anyway.. not an empty offer, Jerry stuff does exist.

Not sure what's in the pipeline for later this week, but there is interest for more 84 and 85, I've been going there in my free time lately....

Thanks Jim!

Noted for sure.

Have you checked out the 11/28/73 Jerry Mickey & Ned?

Wild stuff. I was digging the supposed Tarot outtakes filler.

This 11/25/73 PITB ain’t bad either.

I need to explore some more. There’s so
much good stuff!

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Wow- I'm just listening to this for the first time now. I love this stuff! - thanks GOGD for the tip! Great spacey relaxing music. Perfect for reading or a stressful day at work. I listen to compilations of Spring 90 drums/space when I need relaxing background music. Now I can also listen to this 11/28/73 stuff!

I'm looking forward to the new Garcia/Kahn. I saw 3 shows from one of their 84 tours but haven't listened to hardly any Garcia/Kahn since. I certainly loved the shows I saw, though.

p.s., edit, I assume 11/28/73 is from THE one and only Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco?! Such a beautiful special place by the ocean. I visited it as a tourist!!

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Far out stuff huh Gollum?

Stoked you’re diggin’ it. I enjoyed stumbling on that this am. I was goin’ places. Endless treasures!

Just like those ‘86 Jerry shows.
35 years of collecting and still finding new stuff everyday.

Watching the 6/21/89 estimated with Clarence now. Yet Another treasure, more familiar with this one, but it’s been so long it’s kinda new again.

Good stuff, Fun sharing :)

Edit - yep, the palace of fine arts, although there’s a bunch of debate about the dates of all the material. Some of it from that date pretty certain, maybe not all. Supposedly Phil mixed it in quadrophonic stereo... wooo