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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #7711
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    So cool to hear those Alpine Memories!

    Two back at ya.

    6/26/87 - 1st Night - Set 2 - China Cat Midi weirdness. The weather was getting ominous, my first show at Alpine, was totally ripped, and I start hearing horns and weird shit, I’m trying to see the stage, thinking is there a guest performer or something, more midi weirdness in Eyes > Drums, I didn’t know what Midi was or how they were doing that, it was eating my mind, by the time they got to the ripping All Along The Watchtower (broke out 6/20/87 that year, so it was new) the weather had gotten pretty dicey, that Watchtower sounded truly Wicked in it’s delivery and tone. The boys laid it on us that night. I bought the ticket and took the ride. It’s a night I’ve always remembered. We slowly strolled out of the show went and found our tent, partied, crashed, woke up and did it again the next day in the sun!

    1988 - 2 shows, break, 2 more shows - Yeah it was hot and dry as dirt that summer as reported. I loved the break day.. we were kids, so not having water didn’t seem to effect us, we were probably drinking soda.. who knows. But we hopped in my buddy’s convertible on the day off, drove around until we spotted a pool in someones back yard, and we all ran and hopped in it to cool off and get a dip, then ran back to the car dripping wet, dived in and sped off. It felt so good, we were so hot and dirty and it was dry as a bone. Sorry folks, but we needed your pool and you weren’t in it.

    At the time I never thought those would be the days, but those were the days!

    THE TAPES:
    Sadly the Alpine tapes seem to have issues.
    1987 - No SBDs in Circulation still! Been waiting for 33 years, and even if we had them, which we don’t, they probably sound like ass, like so many ’87 shows. Healy was experimenting with UltraMatrix that year and lots of ambient noise got baked into most of those tapes.

    1988 - Healy strikes again! Dan was doing some type of panning of the sound through the speakers, I can’t remember where I read / heard, think it was GD Hour, maybe Lemieux. Anyhow, it creates a type of “warble” sound in the recording, I’ve got those SBDs and they’re a bit hard to listen to due to the consistent “warble” through out. All 4 nights have it, I think the last night has it least.

    Another Flash - 6/20/88 - The sun setting as they played Terrapin. I still remember that as a favorite moment, was way back on the hill on the lawn lots a space, just taking it in, looking at the moon. I’d just seen a new Brent Song (Turned out to be first Blow Away unbeknown to us at the time / pre-internet / phones / technology) and that had rocked me, we were big Brent Fans.

    1989 - Well those are some good tapes!!

    But that’s another tale, and I wasn’t at those shows..

    Memories:)

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    Got out of bed way too early for some reason, but had a chance to put on today's pick and listen to most of set 1 without interruption. Really strong 1st set! I love the placement of "Black Peter" and all of the regular tunes are played very well. Just finished with that beautiful "Bird Song" before the wife came down and life started again, so I am going to have to save "Playin'", "Bertha" and the short Set II for later on today, but that 1st set was a great way to start the day!

    For no good reason at all, this is another pick that doesn't get as much play from me, but after this morning's initial listen, I think that is going to change!

    Peace

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    Mark me down with it

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    >>>>>The real kick in the ass is, she also threw away all my pictures, every single one... simply because some contained pics of me that included ex girlfriends.

    That's a shame, a damn shame. The was just before she died in that tragic kayak accident, right? The river was running hard and fast and you begged her not to go out that day. It was only by the grace of GOD did you survive. I read the report about how you kept diving into the cold water time and time again to look for her, but, alas she was gone. But that's one secret you can never tell.

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    @ Good old Grateful Dead: I had to think about this one, that was a long time ago, and it was my first dead show. What I do remember about the show was the crowd, what a cool bunch of people, and the twirlers, my first time seeing them and they were everywhere, in the back, in the halls, in the bathrooms, everywhere there was a space, they were twirling. I'm pretty sure we all dosed that night, we did that a lot in the 70's. I have Dick's picks 29 which has this show and the Atlanta show if I'm not mistaken and the band was in tune and doing the "just exactly perfect" thing but I don't remember one tune they played that night. I also remember the tye dye, it was also everywhere and the stage had a huge tye dye mural in the background, most of the speaker covers were tye dyed too, as were a lot of the crowd.
    I had heard a few dead songs before going to this show and was interested, but not a deadhead yet and believe it or not, this show did not transform me into one, not that night anyway, it was the April 80 show that did that. I remember getting close enough to get a good look at Donna on stage, she was ok but I had seen bands with chick singers and she just did not impress me. I prefered Grace who in my opinion had a much better voice and was just lovely to look at. With that said I do believe that it was Donna that left me uninspired and the main reason I did not get on the bus that night. I think a lot has to happen for one to get "it" and this performance just didn't have it and the civic center, even tho it was newish, having opened in the 70's, it was still a cavern with not the best acoustics. But three years later, I jumped on the bus big time and turned a lot of younger heads later on to this band, still my favorite band after 40 + years.

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    Fox Th. 1980 matrix?

    Did Bolo24 just say were are getting another Fox Th. 1980 matrix? woohoo!

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    "What’s your Favorite Year seeing shows?"

    I would have to go with '89. Saw shows spring summer and fall and they were all great shows.

    Civic Arena Pittsburgh both nights. released
    Closing JFK Philadelphia. released audio and video
    Spectrum Philadelphia all three nights. will be released one day

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    Alpine 87-88. Those were some unbelievable times.
    Like Jim, I do not remember all the shows song by song like some others do, but, for some reason the first night of the 87 Alpine run, I can still remember the Feel Like a Stranger opener and my buddies and I running down the hill to try and find a spot. I always remember the Tons of Steel from that night as well. What a time! 87 for us was different from our first experience at Alpine in 86. Of course it was two weeks or so after that Jerry slipped into the comma. At the time, I didn't think we would get to see the band again. What a run after that!
    GOGD, do you remember the drought in 88 at Alpine? It was crazy. We had campers in those days 87-89. I just remember 88 was so hot and we always had tons of people coming to our camper looking for water. In those days, we had tons of beer, but not much water.
    Some of my best memories of all those years at Alpine was after the shows in the parking lot talking to other heads about all aspects of the shows, the band, Jerry, what the encore will be the next night, etc. Similar to what we do here. Man, seems like so long ago, but I think about those days a lot and no band has ever come close to that feeling of seeing the Dead live. There are a huge group of people here that were at those shows at Alpine, this one is for you guys and gals!
    At some point in time, we will see some of these late 80s Alpine shows released.

    My wife has asked me as I am watching the Shakedown Stream shows, we will see you in the crowd on some of these?
    My response, only if they play Downhill from Here.

    Stay well.

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    4/19/82, Baltimore Civic Center. Don't need no stinking ticket stub to remember that. Electric.

    Buckeye Lake.... fun indeed.

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    ....that was fun indeed. Tom Thumbs. Righteous.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

VGUY are we confusing ya?

Pick was 11/25

If you want some extra cosmic weirdness check out Jerry, Mickey, Ned and Phil on 11/28

Lil side trip ;)

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 07/23/2020 - 21:26

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....beware of my upcoming avatar.
73 China Riders are in a league of their own.
Lil' bit confused, but turning into the wake. Full speed ahead!!

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 07/23/2020 - 22:26

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..... it just keeps getting weirder.....I'm finding this much more listenable than the Seastones album, which I haven't listened to all that much. Yes, there's always so much to discover with the Dead!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 07/23/2020 - 22:30

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....the Feyline Eyes soars. I do know that. Good thing it wasn't a snake.
Showing people your ass and farting in their general direction is not against the law in the US. Baby steps people.

Been meaning to comment on this all day. Yes, we lost Brent way too early. It was a great run in Dead history giving us so much great music 79-90. RIP Brent!
I know I kind of checked out when he died, which was a huge mistake, because I think they really had some great nights in 91. I have listened to a few 92 shows and there are moments but it just was not the same for me. Maybe you know what I mean. When I finally got out of College and had a few dollars in my pocket I was ready to go back. But it was too late. A sad ending, but what a run!
For me, this band has been with me through their music for 35 plus years. Great times, horrible times, but always there. Their music has helped beyond anything I can really verbalize. My family are not dead heads but they can always sing along to this great music in the car or at home. The Dead to me were always about Peace, Love and Happiness. I wish we could get back to that.

By the way I enjoyed 11/25/73. Another great November 73 show. Should be a great candidate for an official release.

Be well folks and stop climbing the barb wired fence idiot.

Yeah Feyline is pretty sweet. drum roll please... and the highlight for me = PITB.

Yeah yeah big surprise, I know.

Love those ‘72-‘73 PITBs each one & every time. I mean pretty much all PITBs but those especially and this one is darn good. And the AWBYGN

Enjoyed 6/21/89.. kinda paid attention, they kinda rocked it, we were on the same page. Jer was real animated and fun to watch. Him and Brent’s interactions are great to watch but bittersweet. RIP Brent. Video is out of sync with audio from about end of Scarlet through HIAB but It’s free and worth checkin out. Early days of Pay-Per-View, funny I had my Mom record that for me BITD.

Tarot outtakes to wind down the evening.

Agree that the Jerry, Mickey & Ned is way more palatable & my speed than Seastones which is just kinda odd sonic weirdness to me, can’t quite get that & have tried, dig the JMN though.

Be well intrepid travelers.

I Bid You Good Night

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 04:22

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Right on, that PITB was great. I enjoyed it, too. Donna's bellow was archetypical. An additional highlight for me was the China>Rider.

I heard it was a short show, though. Seemed hearty enough to me.

I heard that Phil literally knocked people off their feet in '84 with his new bass. I want to get to more July. Is there a board for 10-14-84? I didn't see one.

Happy Friday folks. :-)

P.S. What's on tap for today? There was a suggestion out there for 10-6 or 10-19-81 from Unkle Sam, but I'm open to anything.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 06:28

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Yesterday's pick was a pleasant changeup. Getting some much needed rain here in the mid atlantic.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 07:04

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As far as I know there's no SBD in circulation for 10/14/84 but the Rick Pauline Audience recording is amazing, one of the better sounding audience recordings I've heard. Definitely worth checking out -
https://archive.org/details/gd1984-10-14.senn421.pauline.miller.91385.s…

DL posted the pre-drums segment of Set 2 SBD in Taper's Section at some point, so some SBD exists, but nothing in circulation as of 7/24/20 ;)

Both those '81 shows are promising, or was there talk of 1984 adventure?!?!

I've always loved 7/15/84, I mean that whole run at the Greek, but 7/15's quirkiness reeled me in some 30 plus years ago and remains a favorite.

Fun fun fun!

Yo VGUY!
Yes indeed, I've been eyeballing that one for a minute now, and it's ready to rip over here. I pitched it on 7/13/20 but no bites... so I'm In!

Possibly some '84 too, I listened to some of 10/14 and 20 minute Eyes is def sounding good.

Alright, hot damn.

Shall we say the pick of the day is 9/20/70..

Happy Friday!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 10:18

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Yeah, can't wait to relisten to this.

One of my biggest GD Vault dreams is that a SBD of 9/17/70 exists.
That Truckin' is amazing! (and all the American Beauty material).
Gotta keep those dreams alive..
Dave Lemieux any comments in regards to this possibility?

Looking forward to this one today :)

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 10:38

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10 out of 10, hopefully it will come out for the American Beauty 50th. There are 12 songs from AB and WMD. Guest appearances by David Grisman and and David Nelson. I wonder who is playing piano on Broke down Palace, could it be Garcia.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 17:05

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Get outta here. Two minutes after I step away, someone tosses out this show and I am just getting home now to check out shakedown stream, how can I possibly fit this in tonight? I will have to get back to this. Great show, it's not if it get released but when this show gets released.

"It's got a Cumberland."

.....and as for the Shakedown Stream tonight, "It's got a Death Don't Have No Mercy." (First one in 19 years! ..and a classic at that)

A good friend reminded me today, it's National Tequila Day.. so run, don't walk.. and get your favorite Extra Anejo (yes.. Extra Anejo is mandatory) and get back in time to see David Crosby introduce 09/29/89 at the Shoreline for tonight's Shakedown Stream on Youtube.

Surely this counts as show of the day part II.. with commentary.

They played the Shoreline Death Don't on The Grateful Dead Hour that Friday night, I know because I taped it and it was spectacular.. the next week I saw it at the Hampster Coliseum. Probably my two favorite shows that I was fortunate enough to attend. I am pretty sure Oroborous was there too.

By Hampton, he was not playing Wolf, he was playing a Black Strat with a white pickguard (I think). I was there alone, didn't really know anyone there.. when the first chords of Dark Star played.. we all looked around in modest disbelief, there was this total hottie to my right.. she looked at me, gave me a hug and a sweet kiss on the cheeck as tears rolled down her face.

....and stop calling me Shirley.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 22:45

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As per usual the people up front are getting horribly smashed. They look bug eyed.

Pretty sweet Jim!

Late again, so much going on in my neck of the woods. But you are right, when I saw the Wolf, I thought wow, when was the last time Jerry cracked that out. Jerry kept looking better and better in 89. I remember thinking back in those days that the run would keep going.

Holy crap, can we get this show out? The Wolf sounds unreal and we get a Wang Dang Doodle!

Video on this one is so raw, sound is great.
Stay well folks. Flowing like mud here in MN.

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 08:36

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Only unreleased Dark Star left from 74, with a little slipknot jam.... Not saying as a pick for today, just pointing it out..... think I am going to listen to Feyline again, really enjoy it.......... bob t

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 11:44

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Going to check to see if either 10-6 or 10-19-81 has a Shakedown. Then might dip into one or the other to see if one grabs me...

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Submitted by maxrod101 on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 13:35

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RIP Peter Green..passed today,may the four winds blow you safely home..Founding member of Fleetwood Mac and extroadinary guitar player..He admired Jerry and was big fan..One of my first dead shows was 2/11/70 Fillmore East.late show with Duane,Gregg and Peter Green joining for Dark Star and beyond.(Allmans also on the bill)..it was amazing and all should take a listen if you havnt in a while.. https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/grateful-dead-allman-peter-green-1970/

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 21:28

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Yes, why not 2/11/70 ?! this could be a very nice pick....

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 04:48

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Would be a good Dave's Pick, too.

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Submitted by Gollum on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 07:41

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I've only listened to the 2/11/70 Dark Star before, so now is a good time to hear the whole show. Adding to the Sunday queue.

I'm enjoying the new Garcia/Kahn. Kahn is more involved than I remember which is a good thing. I can't help but wonder what it would have been like if Garcia chose a more assertive bass player, ala Hot Tuna, ,etc. But of course Jack was already taken. Phil? Maybe Phil wasn't interested and besides if Phil was on the ticket, Deadheads would have mobbed the nice venues they were playing. Rob Wasserman? I guess it came down to the fact that John was a friend and Jerry just liked playing with his friends. There's that interview where Jerry says the Grateful Dead started out as just a collection of friends, who could play "some". Anyway it is nice to hear Kahn on this release and maybe I'll get a better sense of his playing now. The sound quality is pretty good.

February 1970 Fillmore East that’s some hallowed ground.

Maxrod101 - Legendary show, you got any stories from that night?

Ah, 2/11 the most under represented of the famous 3 night February 1970 run.

This is one of those shows where it would be really exciting to know what indeed exists in the Vault.

If the assumption is that we’ve been listening to the famous Fillmore East crew’s recordings all these years passed down from a copy of Bob Menke’s reel master copy (questionable, it might already be a mix of both Vault & FE crew). Monumental efforts have already been taken to restore and compile what we’ve got. That being said there’s more in the Vault, like the Black Peter played on 30 Days of the Dead in 2012.
1. Do the Fillmore East Crew SBDs and the Vault Masters combine to patch that nasty cut in Dark Star? We may never know...
2. What else was played that night? We may never know...
3. What else exists? We may never know...

You get the point. It's been 50 years and here we are with a very nice sounding partial SBD of a fiery February night at the Fillmore.
But yeah, I'd love to know what else there is.
Gans, Lemieux, Lambert, Charlie, Jesse, Corry, anybody?

Coincidently (strange?) I watched a Peter Green Documentary A Man of The World recently on Amazon prime, which is ok, but Mick Fleetwood and Peter Green both discuss playing with the Dead this night, and that for me was worth it. The picture by Amalie Rothschild is one of the all time classic Fillmore East pics, so cool she got that photo, sounds like she didn’t realize how much of legendary show it was to Dead fans until years later.

Alright, this is a mighty task friends, are you up to it? Can you pass the test?

Speaking of, 9/20/70 is an all time great. That NFA > Caution.. wo-ho! Too bad there’s tape shedding, but what survives through the murk is a big WOW!

Inspired I went through those tapes again, man the Dark Star > St. Stephen > NFA **** > Lovelight from 9/19 is so amazing an all time fave. The Darkness Jam > China Cat Jam in NFA just gets you! It's smoking stuff or was I smoking stuff.. hmmm.

In regards to the September 70 shows, I don’t think the Master SBD reels are in the Vault. Dick woulda circulated this stuff, I just gotta believe he would've had to. Based on what circulates, I think this is all that exists. Again I believe from the Fillmore East taping crew and it’s questionable that the FE Crew Master reels even exist anymore. So I don’t see these getting released outside of what we have already. Would love to hear different in this life time, but…

Alright travelers, shall we go to February long ago and catch an epic show?

EDIT: RIP Peter Green

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 10:25

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12/1/73 Boston Music Hall!!! We have the night before and the night after from Dick's Picks..... Could be the second release of a year with the unreleased songs from 11/30 and 12/2/73 as bonus CD....... hmmmmm.... I think I'm going to listen to July 26, 1972 Paramount Theatre.... 2 verse Dark Star into Comes a Time...... "Don't believe everything you read in Time Magazine..." Phil Lesh after Cold Rain and Snow......... Be good everyone Bob t

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 17:15

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I was thinking the same thing more or less. They were riding so high when he checked out. His last words sang in front of a live audience, "I gotta go, but my friend can stick around"

Makes me wonder what would have been...

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 18:27

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I did hit that show (as well as 5/25/74) yesterday. The show was alright, but the mix was really not the best. It did have my requisite Shakedown, and oh yes, a Cumberland Blues. Might check out 10-19-81 next to compare...

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 19:04

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RIP Brent!

Carrier pigeons, you got that right. Good to see you Conekid!

My guess is we wouldn't have Dave's 35 by the weekend. Hope I am wrong.

Anybody think we will still see another box set this year?

What's on tap for tomorrow?

Be well folks.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 20:45

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I've been meaning to mention the Carrier Dome 84 for some time. ..before we get off the 80's.

Any interest?

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 07/27/2020 - 08:27

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My third and fourth Grateful Dead concerts. One of the first questions I asked David Lemieux at the Grateful Dead conference at San Jose State in November 2014, the only time I met him in person was “do they have the complete September 19, 1970 Fillmore East tapes in the vault?” Answer , “no”.
Years ago I wrote a description of 9/19/70 on this site. It’s still there. I seem to remember having also written a description for 9/17/70 but similar to a few other concert posts I wrote that mysteriously disappeared a few years ago and the more recent deleted list of shows attended I will refer to a commonly used phrase in Mexico, “quien sabe”.
I have a backup for my list of Grateful Dead I attended for twenty five years.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 07/27/2020 - 09:33

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Just wondering which song MD Jim prefers, Althea or Row Jimmy. As for me, I'm partial to Tennesee Jeff, erm Jed. Settle back, easy Jim. Thanks for the pick! :-)

RE: Strider hot damn!
Well you solved one of my hypotheses (hī-pŏth′ĭ-sēz′)..

Did you ask him about 9/17/70 as well?
EDIT: My spanish is rusty, but is the "Quien Sabe" in reference to existence of tapes or Piano player? ;)
I assume that doesn't exist in the Vault either...

These are some of my favorite shows, and since they were your 3rd & 4th that’s a good time to experience some epicness, wow just wow.

A really rough Audience recording of the full acoustic set from 9/19/70 started to circulate again around 7/12 this month. So it appears we've got the full show now, all be it pretty rough Audience recordings of most, but questionably the best part of the SBDs was saved for us to enjoy.

I went on a Darkness darkness journey after listening to this this weekend, fascinated with that jam.
Good Ole Jer, picking out the good stuff and making it even better.

That Acoustic set from 9/17 is one for the ages for sure. Do you recall who was playing the Piano then?

Fascinating stuff..

Happy Monday All!

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Submitted by Dennis on Mon, 07/27/2020 - 10:04

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Our group was there. My list gave Jack Straw a +2, Shakedown +2, Samson +1, Blk Pete +1.

Thing I remember most, for those who have never been, the carrier dome I was told was a soft roof and the place was pressurized by air. The result was when you left this HUGE gust of wind pushed you out. Needless to say Deadheads being Deadheads kept going back in to feel the push. ( I personally couldn't see doing it,,,,,,,, more than 5 times :-) )

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 07/27/2020 - 15:30

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Between 10-6 and 10-19, 1981 I would give the nod to (drumroll please), 10-19. Check out that set II. Wow! I might venture it's DaP-worthy. Going to have to try and hit 10-20-84 tonight, but Barcelona was well played and the matrix was not too bad for mix (better than 10-6, where I tuned into the Miller-ized board tape)

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 07/28/2020 - 07:32

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:-)