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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1371
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    Music is the best means we have of digesting time......

    ROCKTHING.............

    Check your PMs...........

    Music is the one incorporeal entrance into the higher world of knowledge which comprehends mankind but which mankind cannot comprehend........

    Rock on,

    Doc
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    Hey rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Austin, Texas February 23, 1970

    I reluctantly discussed this at the end of last year. Here I am again. It appears that I’m stuck in a time warp. The galactic rock and roll union. I have no special talent, I am only passionately curious…..

    It appears that the currently circulated recording of this show is the only surviving audio document from the Dead’s four show excursion through Texas in February 1970. It’s tough coming right after the wonderful, brilliant Fillmore West/Fillmore East shows earlier that month, and perhaps it’s not unexpected that the intensity level might come down a bit. That being said, this is still interesting, enjoyable, and worthy…..

    The band is in 1970 electric/acoustic/electric mode. The circulating recording appears to be missing part of the first electric set, coming in during Know You Rider. For fans of acoustic Dead, this set is nice---Monkey And The Engineer-Little Sadie-Me And My Uncle-Black Peter-Seasons Of My Heart-Uncle John's Band. The festivities are completed with a jammy NFA and Mason’s Children.

    The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind. I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity……

    Did Bear travel to Texas, and did he record? Banana boxes, reveal thy mysteries…..

    Rock on,

    Doc
    Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods……

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    >daverock>

    The vocal dropouts are not evident in the audience tape, so that must have happened on the way to the board tape.

    That said, the recording is slightly overpowered by Jerry and Bob's guitars from the taper's vantage point, but a little time with a simple Equalizer was enough to bring more Phil and better presence to the vocals. I do recall a few lyric flubs with the new material, but in the overall mix it didn't really jump out at me. Probably much more obvious in the official release/soundboard recording.

    2/22/69>
    Oh, my. I can see this is gonna send me on a primal quest. I have all these fall '69 and fall '68 shows that I've never listened to, but I don't have much from the spring of those years. I love this gentle psychedelia. It's really these delicate type of sounds that really trigger the senses. I'm only up to Dark Star at this point, but what a beautiful way to start a show.... oops, "The transitive diamonds?" Haha. I'd probably have trouble remembering my name if I were there, so whatever.

    It's such a shame that we're restricted to streaming this show. Imho, if the official release isn't so significantly better sounding than one of these circulating boards that it isn't a no-brainer to buy it, then what's with the classism, eh? I know the boys need a retirement plan... but... --mini rant off--

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    Rockthing - good notes on this show - cheers! I'm going through it very slowly, but it's the L.P. I am listening to. Although it has the famous vocal drop outs, the sound and balance of the instruments sounds fine throughout to me. I have just played the side with Loose Lucy and Money Money on. A short side. The lyrics are a bit naff on both of them - but I like the music, and they were both played so rarely that when they do crop up, it's a welcome surprise to me.
    I presume the version you have listened to has the earlier vocal dropouts too.

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    Wrote these notes on Monday morning while drinking my coffee and getting ready to do some work from home. After a while I was mostly distracted by the show.

    I'll get to that Feb. 22 '69 show if I can, but I don't have that one handy. Hafta stream it.

    The ETree identifier of this source is 115876, btw. I don't have the box set, so these are my first impressions.

    It Must Have Been The Roses: Ok. /Now/ I'm awake. Possible tape change? There is suddenly a big improvement in sound quality for this hauntingly sensitive rendition. Jerry's voice is now clear above the guitars. Everything, save Phil, is suddenly much clearer and the sound field feels wider. Up to this point the tape had sounded like the tape the biker is listening to at the beginning of the Dead Movie. Nice harmony work during the refrain, blended well in the house mix.

    Loose Lucy: Gettin' in the funk. Jerry's just perfectly behind the beat to make it nice and nasty. If the syncopation isn't just right, this tune can completely lose all form really quickly. Loose Lucy must be a pretty new song at this point. I have no idea when this tune debuted. They didn't do this in concert much, as far as I know. I was lucky enough to see'em do it once, but the performance I saw was almost unrecognizable. Something was wrong with the timing, so it sounded all backwards. I was embarrassed to not even recognize it until Jerry started singing. This is a nice treat.

    I Know You Rider? Something seems to be wrong here. The info text says Money Money should be next followed by China/Rider, but we're just dropped into IKYR. Looks like some minor surgery might be needed on the meta data.

    Money Money: Ok. Someone's just mislabelled these files. Man, this has always been one of my least favourite songs in the Dead's catalogue. I rarely skip songs on albums, but being the album closer on Mars Hotel makes it easy. I don't think I've ever heard a live version of it, so this is kind of a treat, in its own sort of way. Having not heard it in such a long time, I guess it's not such a bad song. The negativity of the lyric just sems to strike such a contrast to most of the other stuff in the repertoire. John Lennon, for example, has a lot of negativity in his lyrics, but when I listen to him, I expect that.

    China Rider: Yeah. They're keepin' that funky groove going that was working so well during Loose Lucy. The transition jam seems to go almost immediately to an I Know You Rider feel. The guitar tone is very unusual here. It almost sounds like Bobby's Gibson 335 tone. He's playing lots of double-stops, where he plays two notes at a time even while soloing… wait… maybe that /was/ Bobby!? Some very cool interplay between Bobby and Phil before a guitar sound that is unmistakably Jerry joins in just ahead of the trademark unison bit before I Know You Rider. What is now clearly Jerry's tone keeps it going after the unison part, and now there's a Feelin' Groovy jam. I can almost see the smiling faces and twirling homemade sun dresses with flowers in the hair right now. Big, big ovation from the crowd as they settle into the Rider vamp before going into the first verse. They know what they've just heard. That was sweet, breezy, and smooth as can be. I'm guessing Jerry had some sort of equipment or other issue causing him to stop playing for a bit at the beginning of the transition. Oh, yeah, Jer, dig into that "On a north bound train" line. This and the out-of-place IKYR are going to get merged into one track when I get a chance.

    Set II:
    Promised Land: Yeah. Everybody's definitely up off their blankets now.

    Bertha: Got a little "Yee Haw" from someone nearby for "All night pouring, but not a drop on me." It's quite amazing how inobtrusive the audience is, considering this was recorded with a handheld mic by someone just hanging out in crowd.

    Greatest Story: Nice wah wah Jerry licks. Jerry's wah is so bubbly and has a rich swell, like the sound of a wave on the ocean. Using the rocking motion of the foot pedal definitely puts the player physically off balance, so I can understand why he seemed to abandon it later in favor of the Mutron "auto-wah" tone filter. Sounds so good here, though. Jerry's volume sounds cranked, though, totally drowning everything out. I ain't complaining. Oh, yeah. A little jam in GSET? They seem to have gone into something altogether different. I'm not sure if this is a set piece, but it feels unfamiliar to me. I know that I've heard occasional jams in Greatest Story, but they seem rare. This is definitely no longer the Greatest Story chord progression, but I don't know what it is, and then Wamp, Wamp-Wamp, right back into it. Now I'm gonna hafta start checking out Spring 1974 Greatest Stories. That was hot and adventurous, like maybe something went wrong and they fought through it… but maybe there was just a jam in this song back then.

    Ship of Fools: Giving the manic dancers their first break of the second set. The taper is stopping the tape between songs, though, so who knows how long they spent tuning in between. Very nice harmony work from Bobby and Donna.

    Weather Report: Seems a bit tentative in the earlier segments, but the Let It Grow jam is developing interestingly. The whole band just seems sort of in a gentle mood this night. Everything is soft and malleable, and most of all, creative, when they go off into improvised sections. The straight tunes are tight and, well, straightforward, but I'm hearing all sorts of novel ideas coming through during the instrumental segments. There seems to be a completely different confidence at work during this jazzy work out. You can hear Billy getting back to his swing roots and playing off Keith. This is fantastic. Such subtle interplay. Normally when I hear the full suite performed I wonder why they didn't continue to use the first parts, but in this case I didn't feel that way.

    Peggy-O: Jerry's picking is quite aggressive, and his tone is very chimey, even behind his vocal. Relaxed tempo, even by Peggy-O standards. In this recording it sounds almost like Billy and Jerry doing a duet, but Keith adds some accents here and there.

    ??: What is this? A playful little jam and some quiet noodling where the audience's shouts and requests become more prominent. Bobby announces technical difficulties.

    Truckin': Nice buildup, but not the major bomb drop I'm used to, and from there things start to get really weird. It's not spacy weird, just, "Whoa, what the heck is this?" weird. Some of the early 70s Truckin's could get totally abstract, so this is just the way they rolled back then. Great stuff. Gettin' that funky groove goin' from the first set again, even as the changes take on some jazzy influences. Bobby is very clear in the mix, and my oh, my it's gettin' Weir'ed. Jerry busts in with a burst of guitar feedback which seems to shock everyone for a moment, but they're still groovin'. This is the gold I look for in any show. It's funny because Mind Left Body actually sounds a lot like Loose Lucy. Billy and Phil getting' into a little funky-drummer exchange. Finally Phil breaks through in the mix with some space for him to hit that Bootsy one. In the info text "Jam" and "Mind Left Body Jam" had been listed separately, but they're actually all included in the Truckin' track, which is my preference. Cousinit made a real mess of this file set, but I can fix it. Rarely are there such glaring mistakes on the Archive, but this one has definitely been put together somewhat carelessly.

    NFA: This interesting because I've been listening to a lot of Alligator era NFA's or Bean era NFA's, and that gives a nice context to compare to this Wolf tone… of course, there is a LOT of recording tech affecting the sound here, but even though there's a nice honk, everything seems so nice and round and gently muted. Hey. What's this breakdown in NFA. Pretty sure I've never heard that before… and GTRFB. THAT, was an interesting transition.

    GTRFB: Nothing to worry about here. The old standby. Billy's hi-hat figure during the breakdown is, again, getting really funky with a swinging 16th note feel, or something. Very cool.

    US Blues: Mars Hotel weighted setlist. What month did that come out? Good, tight version.

    Johnny B. Goode: Full colosseum clap along for a high energy reading that does justice to the Check Berry original. Sometimes this can get a bit too languid. This one is rockin' hard.

    On repeated listen, I've messed with the EQ some. First of all I bumped up the EQ preamp level, I dunno, about 10db, I guess. I then added a further 12db of 64Hz, and 125Hz on the 10 band EQ to bring Phil nicely into the mix, but also lowered almost everything else about 6db on frequencies that had been flat to make the bass frequency differential greater. The bass still isn't terribly defined, but it at least brings Phil into play. He was completely inaudible without EQ. Got just a touch more vocal by giving the 1KHz and 2KHz about 1db. The tape has a sort of nostalgic cheap car speaker sound, so I actually wanna preserve a bit of that… not that I could really get rid of it. There's quite a nice venue ambiance, especially when there is more space in the arrangements, like during the Mind Left Body Jam.

    The vocal drop-outs others have mentioned were not audible to the audience.

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    That is a great show. According to the cd notes it was recorded, along with shows in late January and the Feb-March shows, for possible inclusion on Live Dead. It probably won't happen - the song lists are obviously very similar, but it would make a great box set to release all the shows recorded.
    The shows from 1967-1971 inclusive are the main ones for me in 30 Trips.

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    Mornin’, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Dream Bowl February 22, 1969

    Relatively speaking, the yang to the yin of February 21, 1969. True art is characterized by an irresistible urge in the creative artist…..

    I have the space, you have the time, let’s revisit. Officially released in October 2015 as part of Thirty Trips Around The Sun, one almost never hears about this show, possibly because it gets overshadowed by the blazing white hot glare of the Fillmore West Shows of February 27th to March 2nd. This is very much “of a kind” with those shows, featuring the typically sweet Mountains Of The Moon (always loved that song!), a long exploratory Dark Star, a fierce, crunchy Other One, a deathly Death Don’t, a fine Eleven, and a greasy Lovelight that clocks in at a mere 21+ minutes.

    Great music, great sound quality, I suggest you find the time…..

    The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once…..

    Rock on,

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    That's good to read - they opened with Mississippi Half Step - Franklins Tower the first time I saw them 3/24/81. A great start to the show for sure.

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    In my experience, any show that starts off with Mississippi half-step uptown toodleloo is usually a great one and 5-19-74 is no exception. That pacific northwest box grows on ya, for sure.

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    I haven't played it this year yet, but it has become one of my most played shows from this year - mainly because I bought it on vinyl. But it is really good, too. To me, it's better than its song list suggests - the songs leading up to the Truckin' jam are well played and forward moving, and that final jam is superb. It has been castigated in some quarters for the vocal drop outs. A price worth paying, in my opinion. All three 1974 shows in the box it was culled from are top notch.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

VGUY are we confusing ya?

Pick was 11/25

If you want some extra cosmic weirdness check out Jerry, Mickey, Ned and Phil on 11/28

Lil side trip ;)

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 07/23/2020 - 21:26

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....beware of my upcoming avatar.
73 China Riders are in a league of their own.
Lil' bit confused, but turning into the wake. Full speed ahead!!

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 07/23/2020 - 22:26

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..... it just keeps getting weirder.....I'm finding this much more listenable than the Seastones album, which I haven't listened to all that much. Yes, there's always so much to discover with the Dead!

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 07/23/2020 - 22:30

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....the Feyline Eyes soars. I do know that. Good thing it wasn't a snake.
Showing people your ass and farting in their general direction is not against the law in the US. Baby steps people.

Been meaning to comment on this all day. Yes, we lost Brent way too early. It was a great run in Dead history giving us so much great music 79-90. RIP Brent!
I know I kind of checked out when he died, which was a huge mistake, because I think they really had some great nights in 91. I have listened to a few 92 shows and there are moments but it just was not the same for me. Maybe you know what I mean. When I finally got out of College and had a few dollars in my pocket I was ready to go back. But it was too late. A sad ending, but what a run!
For me, this band has been with me through their music for 35 plus years. Great times, horrible times, but always there. Their music has helped beyond anything I can really verbalize. My family are not dead heads but they can always sing along to this great music in the car or at home. The Dead to me were always about Peace, Love and Happiness. I wish we could get back to that.

By the way I enjoyed 11/25/73. Another great November 73 show. Should be a great candidate for an official release.

Be well folks and stop climbing the barb wired fence idiot.

Yeah Feyline is pretty sweet. drum roll please... and the highlight for me = PITB.

Yeah yeah big surprise, I know.

Love those ‘72-‘73 PITBs each one & every time. I mean pretty much all PITBs but those especially and this one is darn good. And the AWBYGN

Enjoyed 6/21/89.. kinda paid attention, they kinda rocked it, we were on the same page. Jer was real animated and fun to watch. Him and Brent’s interactions are great to watch but bittersweet. RIP Brent. Video is out of sync with audio from about end of Scarlet through HIAB but It’s free and worth checkin out. Early days of Pay-Per-View, funny I had my Mom record that for me BITD.

Tarot outtakes to wind down the evening.

Agree that the Jerry, Mickey & Ned is way more palatable & my speed than Seastones which is just kinda odd sonic weirdness to me, can’t quite get that & have tried, dig the JMN though.

Be well intrepid travelers.

I Bid You Good Night

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 04:22

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Right on, that PITB was great. I enjoyed it, too. Donna's bellow was archetypical. An additional highlight for me was the China>Rider.

I heard it was a short show, though. Seemed hearty enough to me.

I heard that Phil literally knocked people off their feet in '84 with his new bass. I want to get to more July. Is there a board for 10-14-84? I didn't see one.

Happy Friday folks. :-)

P.S. What's on tap for today? There was a suggestion out there for 10-6 or 10-19-81 from Unkle Sam, but I'm open to anything.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 06:28

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Yesterday's pick was a pleasant changeup. Getting some much needed rain here in the mid atlantic.

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As far as I know there's no SBD in circulation for 10/14/84 but the Rick Pauline Audience recording is amazing, one of the better sounding audience recordings I've heard. Definitely worth checking out -
https://archive.org/details/gd1984-10-14.senn421.pauline.miller.91385.s…

DL posted the pre-drums segment of Set 2 SBD in Taper's Section at some point, so some SBD exists, but nothing in circulation as of 7/24/20 ;)

Both those '81 shows are promising, or was there talk of 1984 adventure?!?!

I've always loved 7/15/84, I mean that whole run at the Greek, but 7/15's quirkiness reeled me in some 30 plus years ago and remains a favorite.

Fun fun fun!

Yo VGUY!
Yes indeed, I've been eyeballing that one for a minute now, and it's ready to rip over here. I pitched it on 7/13/20 but no bites... so I'm In!

Possibly some '84 too, I listened to some of 10/14 and 20 minute Eyes is def sounding good.

Alright, hot damn.

Shall we say the pick of the day is 9/20/70..

Happy Friday!

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Yeah, can't wait to relisten to this.

One of my biggest GD Vault dreams is that a SBD of 9/17/70 exists.
That Truckin' is amazing! (and all the American Beauty material).
Gotta keep those dreams alive..
Dave Lemieux any comments in regards to this possibility?

Looking forward to this one today :)

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10 out of 10, hopefully it will come out for the American Beauty 50th. There are 12 songs from AB and WMD. Guest appearances by David Grisman and and David Nelson. I wonder who is playing piano on Broke down Palace, could it be Garcia.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 07/24/2020 - 17:05

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Get outta here. Two minutes after I step away, someone tosses out this show and I am just getting home now to check out shakedown stream, how can I possibly fit this in tonight? I will have to get back to this. Great show, it's not if it get released but when this show gets released.

"It's got a Cumberland."

.....and as for the Shakedown Stream tonight, "It's got a Death Don't Have No Mercy." (First one in 19 years! ..and a classic at that)

A good friend reminded me today, it's National Tequila Day.. so run, don't walk.. and get your favorite Extra Anejo (yes.. Extra Anejo is mandatory) and get back in time to see David Crosby introduce 09/29/89 at the Shoreline for tonight's Shakedown Stream on Youtube.

Surely this counts as show of the day part II.. with commentary.

They played the Shoreline Death Don't on The Grateful Dead Hour that Friday night, I know because I taped it and it was spectacular.. the next week I saw it at the Hampster Coliseum. Probably my two favorite shows that I was fortunate enough to attend. I am pretty sure Oroborous was there too.

By Hampton, he was not playing Wolf, he was playing a Black Strat with a white pickguard (I think). I was there alone, didn't really know anyone there.. when the first chords of Dark Star played.. we all looked around in modest disbelief, there was this total hottie to my right.. she looked at me, gave me a hug and a sweet kiss on the cheeck as tears rolled down her face.

....and stop calling me Shirley.

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As per usual the people up front are getting horribly smashed. They look bug eyed.

Pretty sweet Jim!

Late again, so much going on in my neck of the woods. But you are right, when I saw the Wolf, I thought wow, when was the last time Jerry cracked that out. Jerry kept looking better and better in 89. I remember thinking back in those days that the run would keep going.

Holy crap, can we get this show out? The Wolf sounds unreal and we get a Wang Dang Doodle!

Video on this one is so raw, sound is great.
Stay well folks. Flowing like mud here in MN.

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 08:36

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Only unreleased Dark Star left from 74, with a little slipknot jam.... Not saying as a pick for today, just pointing it out..... think I am going to listen to Feyline again, really enjoy it.......... bob t

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Going to check to see if either 10-6 or 10-19-81 has a Shakedown. Then might dip into one or the other to see if one grabs me...

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RIP Peter Green..passed today,may the four winds blow you safely home..Founding member of Fleetwood Mac and extroadinary guitar player..He admired Jerry and was big fan..One of my first dead shows was 2/11/70 Fillmore East.late show with Duane,Gregg and Peter Green joining for Dark Star and beyond.(Allmans also on the bill)..it was amazing and all should take a listen if you havnt in a while.. https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/grateful-dead-allman-peter-green-1970/

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 07/25/2020 - 21:28

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Yes, why not 2/11/70 ?! this could be a very nice pick....

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 04:48

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Would be a good Dave's Pick, too.

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Submitted by Gollum on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 07:41

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I've only listened to the 2/11/70 Dark Star before, so now is a good time to hear the whole show. Adding to the Sunday queue.

I'm enjoying the new Garcia/Kahn. Kahn is more involved than I remember which is a good thing. I can't help but wonder what it would have been like if Garcia chose a more assertive bass player, ala Hot Tuna, ,etc. But of course Jack was already taken. Phil? Maybe Phil wasn't interested and besides if Phil was on the ticket, Deadheads would have mobbed the nice venues they were playing. Rob Wasserman? I guess it came down to the fact that John was a friend and Jerry just liked playing with his friends. There's that interview where Jerry says the Grateful Dead started out as just a collection of friends, who could play "some". Anyway it is nice to hear Kahn on this release and maybe I'll get a better sense of his playing now. The sound quality is pretty good.

February 1970 Fillmore East that’s some hallowed ground.

Maxrod101 - Legendary show, you got any stories from that night?

Ah, 2/11 the most under represented of the famous 3 night February 1970 run.

This is one of those shows where it would be really exciting to know what indeed exists in the Vault.

If the assumption is that we’ve been listening to the famous Fillmore East crew’s recordings all these years passed down from a copy of Bob Menke’s reel master copy (questionable, it might already be a mix of both Vault & FE crew). Monumental efforts have already been taken to restore and compile what we’ve got. That being said there’s more in the Vault, like the Black Peter played on 30 Days of the Dead in 2012.
1. Do the Fillmore East Crew SBDs and the Vault Masters combine to patch that nasty cut in Dark Star? We may never know...
2. What else was played that night? We may never know...
3. What else exists? We may never know...

You get the point. It's been 50 years and here we are with a very nice sounding partial SBD of a fiery February night at the Fillmore.
But yeah, I'd love to know what else there is.
Gans, Lemieux, Lambert, Charlie, Jesse, Corry, anybody?

Coincidently (strange?) I watched a Peter Green Documentary A Man of The World recently on Amazon prime, which is ok, but Mick Fleetwood and Peter Green both discuss playing with the Dead this night, and that for me was worth it. The picture by Amalie Rothschild is one of the all time classic Fillmore East pics, so cool she got that photo, sounds like she didn’t realize how much of legendary show it was to Dead fans until years later.

Alright, this is a mighty task friends, are you up to it? Can you pass the test?

Speaking of, 9/20/70 is an all time great. That NFA > Caution.. wo-ho! Too bad there’s tape shedding, but what survives through the murk is a big WOW!

Inspired I went through those tapes again, man the Dark Star > St. Stephen > NFA **** > Lovelight from 9/19 is so amazing an all time fave. The Darkness Jam > China Cat Jam in NFA just gets you! It's smoking stuff or was I smoking stuff.. hmmm.

In regards to the September 70 shows, I don’t think the Master SBD reels are in the Vault. Dick woulda circulated this stuff, I just gotta believe he would've had to. Based on what circulates, I think this is all that exists. Again I believe from the Fillmore East taping crew and it’s questionable that the FE Crew Master reels even exist anymore. So I don’t see these getting released outside of what we have already. Would love to hear different in this life time, but…

Alright travelers, shall we go to February long ago and catch an epic show?

EDIT: RIP Peter Green

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 10:25

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12/1/73 Boston Music Hall!!! We have the night before and the night after from Dick's Picks..... Could be the second release of a year with the unreleased songs from 11/30 and 12/2/73 as bonus CD....... hmmmmm.... I think I'm going to listen to July 26, 1972 Paramount Theatre.... 2 verse Dark Star into Comes a Time...... "Don't believe everything you read in Time Magazine..." Phil Lesh after Cold Rain and Snow......... Be good everyone Bob t

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 17:15

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I was thinking the same thing more or less. They were riding so high when he checked out. His last words sang in front of a live audience, "I gotta go, but my friend can stick around"

Makes me wonder what would have been...

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 18:27

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I did hit that show (as well as 5/25/74) yesterday. The show was alright, but the mix was really not the best. It did have my requisite Shakedown, and oh yes, a Cumberland Blues. Might check out 10-19-81 next to compare...

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 19:04

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RIP Brent!

Carrier pigeons, you got that right. Good to see you Conekid!

My guess is we wouldn't have Dave's 35 by the weekend. Hope I am wrong.

Anybody think we will still see another box set this year?

What's on tap for tomorrow?

Be well folks.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 07/26/2020 - 20:45

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I've been meaning to mention the Carrier Dome 84 for some time. ..before we get off the 80's.

Any interest?

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Mon, 07/27/2020 - 08:27

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My third and fourth Grateful Dead concerts. One of the first questions I asked David Lemieux at the Grateful Dead conference at San Jose State in November 2014, the only time I met him in person was “do they have the complete September 19, 1970 Fillmore East tapes in the vault?” Answer , “no”.
Years ago I wrote a description of 9/19/70 on this site. It’s still there. I seem to remember having also written a description for 9/17/70 but similar to a few other concert posts I wrote that mysteriously disappeared a few years ago and the more recent deleted list of shows attended I will refer to a commonly used phrase in Mexico, “quien sabe”.
I have a backup for my list of Grateful Dead I attended for twenty five years.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 07/27/2020 - 09:33

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Just wondering which song MD Jim prefers, Althea or Row Jimmy. As for me, I'm partial to Tennesee Jeff, erm Jed. Settle back, easy Jim. Thanks for the pick! :-)

RE: Strider hot damn!
Well you solved one of my hypotheses (hī-pŏth′ĭ-sēz′)..

Did you ask him about 9/17/70 as well?
EDIT: My spanish is rusty, but is the "Quien Sabe" in reference to existence of tapes or Piano player? ;)
I assume that doesn't exist in the Vault either...

These are some of my favorite shows, and since they were your 3rd & 4th that’s a good time to experience some epicness, wow just wow.

A really rough Audience recording of the full acoustic set from 9/19/70 started to circulate again around 7/12 this month. So it appears we've got the full show now, all be it pretty rough Audience recordings of most, but questionably the best part of the SBDs was saved for us to enjoy.

I went on a Darkness darkness journey after listening to this this weekend, fascinated with that jam.
Good Ole Jer, picking out the good stuff and making it even better.

That Acoustic set from 9/17 is one for the ages for sure. Do you recall who was playing the Piano then?

Fascinating stuff..

Happy Monday All!

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Submitted by Dennis on Mon, 07/27/2020 - 10:04

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Our group was there. My list gave Jack Straw a +2, Shakedown +2, Samson +1, Blk Pete +1.

Thing I remember most, for those who have never been, the carrier dome I was told was a soft roof and the place was pressurized by air. The result was when you left this HUGE gust of wind pushed you out. Needless to say Deadheads being Deadheads kept going back in to feel the push. ( I personally couldn't see doing it,,,,,,,, more than 5 times :-) )

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 07/27/2020 - 15:30

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Between 10-6 and 10-19, 1981 I would give the nod to (drumroll please), 10-19. Check out that set II. Wow! I might venture it's DaP-worthy. Going to have to try and hit 10-20-84 tonight, but Barcelona was well played and the matrix was not too bad for mix (better than 10-6, where I tuned into the Miller-ized board tape)

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 07/28/2020 - 07:32

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:-)