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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #861
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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

  • #862
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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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    Agree..

    Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    Oh, the horror.

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    Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

    P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978

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    Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
    ONWARD!

    NO MORE MINI BOXES!
    Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
    We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
    Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
    Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
    They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
    Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

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    Maybe they could do that with vinyl releases, like they did with The Lyceum shows. Although I get the impression it didn't sell particularly well.
    I tend to segment them myself, when I listen to them, although I'm glad the cds were released in that mammoth box. I listen to most of them every year - but I couldn't do it consecutively, one show another in one chunk. I take all year about it - then come Spring in the following year...start again.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 07/28/2020 - 08:36

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Fun show for sure, nice representation of a solid ’84 show.
Whenever I hear a good ’84 show, I always think, hmm wonder what the rest of that tour was like.
I guess that’s the magic that kept the Dead on the road for so long.

Great Set 1 with real nice Bird Song, and like many have commented a top Jack Straw, best of the ‘80s? best after hiatus? However you want to quantify it, it get’s a lot of best talk.

The Shakedown > Samson got the 30 Days treatment in 2017.
A relative newly dusted off Smokestack Lightning with a real sweet jam after, short drums > space (is there a reel flip in here I’m missing, might have to research). Great post Drums set list Wheel > TOO > Black Peter > Lovelight. And last of 2 Revolutions for the year. First Black Peter into Lovelight? First of the infamous Amy Boards.

It was a nice return from my 1970 wormhole that I entered on 7/24 with the 9/20/70 show, went deep on that one, even ventured into the land of the PERRO session tapes, fun trip. Completely enjoyable and fascinating.

Nice Pick!

You all getting shipping notices?

What’s next?

10/21/83 you say..

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 07/28/2020 - 09:46

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Yes, the 83 30 Trips show, let's do it.
I remember this being a good show.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Tue, 07/28/2020 - 13:24

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Well, I've heard it said there's something wrong in my head, now.

And the doctors can't seem to figure it out. Been on the shelf for a couple months with an odd malady - more or less constant dizzy, spacey feeling, which family and friends quickly pointed out seems par for the course for me (yeah, love you guys, too).

It feels kind of like I've had a couple of pretty strong mai tais. Not the worst feeling in the world, and I get the "buzz" without having to spend money on libations! Or a round trip ticket to Hawaii.

But, I've had to be horizontal a good bit of the time, can't really exercise, drive, etc. The best way to explain it is that I've been living inside of a 2 month long Dark Star>Seastones>Drums>Space>Feedback. With a Samba encore - Yikes!

Anyway, things have improved over the last several days, and I'm gradually returning to civilized society, although that seems to be slipping away lately out here on the west coast.

So, I'm only five dozen shows behind the rest of you. I should be able to catch up by the end of the weekend! And I nominate 9/19/2003 for a listen one of these days - a terrific post-GD show.

Cheers and good health to all.

Edit: Man, I really have been out of the loop for a bit. Neon Nikes - really??

Good to see you back in the mix Bolo. Man, good to hear things are getting better. A little Black Peter?

We will have to cut you some major slack on the past picks.

2003? You will have to help us out with that pick.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 07/28/2020 - 18:42

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Or perhaps Mexicali Blues.

I think what Bolo was trying to say is Dave's Picks 36 is 04/16/78 Huntington Civic Center - Huntington, WV.

It was the Peggy-O reference that made me think of this show, and then when you see the first set ends in Scarlet>Fire. ..well, oh.. and get better Bolo from whatever ales you. Great to see you back, be good get or stay healthy.

Edit: Or it could be I am full of shit and think we are due for a '78. Either way, it's a win.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 07/28/2020 - 22:50

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A Classic. And so it is.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 03:32

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Bolo - it can be a bit restricting, having dizzy spells. I acquired them-with attendant feelings of nausea about 5 years ago. No one was quite sure why-possibilities included a reaction to prescription drugs, having low blood pressure and an imbalance in my ears. Nothing was decided, so I just carry on as I am. I find I am alright if I don't look down. So I don't.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 07:00

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Hey Bolo, glad you're feeling better and that doesn't sound fun.
And in regards to the west coast, You know the nearer your destination, The more you're slip slidin' away.

Hot tip on the 9/19/03 show... anybody got the SBD of this one out there?

It looks like that whole Dead tour was released on some limited edition Summer Getaway CDs, so I thought'd I'd check.

I've never listened to the Joan Osborne stuff, this show is sounding pretty dope and so naturally.. the SBD came to mind :) Some things never change in regard to collecting music.

Dug the 1983 yesterday and looks like some early 1973 for today, don't mind if I do.
Shipping notice received over here.
The Beach Boys mighta said and we'll have fun fun fun...

Be well all.. lmk about that 9/19/03 show if somebody got's it.

Oh! She's singing on Rueben & Cherise, gotta go bye.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 10:37

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I might just have them.. I need to look. I recall having a lot, perhaps of 2003 and none from 2004.. not sure why I gave up after 2003???

I will look tonight.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 10:43

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Thanks Jim!

I found a bunch of the others, but not 9/19/03.

It's cool stuff!

LMK if you're looking for anything and if I have it I'm happy to work up a lil trade.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 12:07

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I like the way you work it.

Your guys partnership is pretty cool, nice job fellas.

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Submitted by bolo24 on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 18:16

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I'm afraid today's website glitches were probably my fault. As part of a rather complex NDA with my "employer," I am required to give them advance notice before I post on any website. In my compromised state of mind, I forgot to do so. I'd explain, but it's complicated. And dangerous.

In the unlikely event that anyone did a screen capture of my previous post, I strongly urge you to reboot your computer, change the locks on your door and stay away from the windows.

Also, I have the SBD of 9/19/2003 (WAV format) if you need it. Not sure how I would send that digitally - pretty big file.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 18:57

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....HCS -> Jam -> Bobby McGee. Yeah. I member that.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 19:56

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Great sound.. It's been a while since I listened to this show. Makes me think we have much more 1973 coming our way the next few years.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 07/29/2020 - 21:51

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Thanks for joining me on these one Jim, GOGD, Vguy and hopefully the rest of you. Gollum, you should be a fan of this show. Oroborous, I know you love this one.

This release really changed my view of releases. This is by far the most played Dave's Picks for me. Not saying it is the best ever, just the most played. Sound quality is A++. There are zero flaws in the entire release.
The Deal just kills it, so far my favorite China-Rider. The transition is unreal and I have not heard anything come close. Of course that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Box of Rain! So many highlights. Love the HCS. Why did they retire this song and when did they retire it? Love the WRS prelude into eyes. Did that ever happen again? And such a great finish.

Yes, Jim, I sure hope we get more 73. Dave's 16 is killer, Scooby Doo, and Dave's 32 at the Spectrum is so good. Love the variety. That He's Gone, Truckin, into the Jam- Dark Star into Sing me back home is super special!

So let's hope they have more 73 in the Vault. So many good shows.

Be well and let me know where we are going next.

No shipping notice here in MN, but that is
no surprise. I am usually 1 week behind.

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 07/30/2020 - 00:32

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Yes, I surely do love 4/2/73 Deadvikes. I'm trying to keep up with the daily picks but have been dragging ass a bit this week. I'm still knee deep in Sunday's pick 2/11/70! I always avoided 2/11 because of the special guests. I guess I'm wary of outsiders. That's silly, of course, and it's just a great show. The whole Star-Spanish-Lovelight jam is sweet and meaty like a butt steak.

The three Spring 73 Dave's Picks are among my very favorites, too! I'd love it if we got some more 73 DaP's- maybe 8/1/73 or 9/11/73? I think those Dark Stars might be underrated because of sound quality (I dunno?).

I'm enjoying y'alls comments. Some day I'll catch up with you guys...

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Sent you a PM

Thanks Bolo!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 07/30/2020 - 08:27

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Sure do Love Spring '73

4/2/73 is solid top to bottom without a doubt. Really like when Phil still sung on Half-Step, even (especially?) when his voice is cracking (12/19/73 comes to mind as the standard to measure against), just ain't the same without that little bit of wonderful. Great great stuff here people. No complaints at all. Wave That Flag stuck out as it had me bobbin' along. And the Jam in Eyes that Jerry gets into at 14 minutes is the stuff I keep coming back for again and again and again.

No secret that PITB is an absolute favorite, possibly my #1 favorite, but def in the top 5. This one is great per usual.
But I had a flash yesterday on it's life cycle.

So you know how Dark Star had it's most epic versions from 1969-1970, IMO of course, I mean it's always great, but 1969-1970 those Stars are just universes of greatness, peak versions shall we say. It stays in the rotation, and is played great, but they're not 1969-1970 Stars. I'd say this is when Jerome was most excited about it, which makes all the difference to me.

Playing In The Band seems to have a similar life cycle in that regard and it's peak is arguably 1972-1973, again it stays in the rotation, and is played great, but they're not 1972-73 Playings (sp?). Anyhooo.. just wanted to say that cause that's what I was thinking about as I drifted through yet another magnificent PITB from '73.

Plus the coffee's kicking in and I don't really want to do the other stuff I should do today, so yeah I'm procrastinating.

And if you made it this far, congrats! You are a trouper.

That 2003 The Dead stuff was ringing my bell yesterday, those set lists had me at Born Cross-Eyed, another top 5 song for me.

What's on the haps for today?

PS - I probably wouldn't click on the RAW RAGE link below, that sounds a bit sketchy..
Spammers does anybody really go for that?

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Thu, 07/30/2020 - 09:38

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Interesting that people gravitate towards 4-2-73. I think the three Dave's picks from spring '73 are a really nice triad. Between them you have pretty much everything they were playing at the time.

You've got 3-28-73, Dave's Picks 16, affectionately known around these parts as Scooby Doo House. Recorded by Kidd, opening with a Cumberland -> Here Comes Sunshine, all the expected 1st set goodies, and a 43-minute Dark Star into Eyes deep in the second set. This recording doesn't sound as warm to me as Dave's Picks 21 - 4-2-73 at the Garden.

On this one Rex Jackson gets the credit for recording. Which is interesting since she and Betty were more or less a team during this period weren't they? maybe this accounts for the slightly warmer sound, which is generally attributed to Betty's recordings. This show has a great 1st set China-Rider and a fantastic 17 minute Playing in the Band to close out the 1st set. Set two has a nice slinky Mississippi, and the aforementioned Sunshine -> Jam -> Bobby McGee is unique as far as i know. The jam is a little dissonant for my tastes but no biggie. I believe this is the Eyes where garcia sings "There follows his wagon behind him thats loaded with kale".

Then comes my favorite of the bunch, Dave's 32. Both Rex and Kidd get the recording credit on this one, and it seems to me to fit right in between the previous two shows sonically. most of the 1st set is typical, but still very well played and the set has a great flow to it. I really dig the chorus like effect that Bobby was using on this tour - notably on Looks Like Rain. This show just seems to go on and on and the 3rd disc is special: He's Gone -> into a nearly 40 minute Truckin-> Dark Star (sans vocals) and then a Sing Me Back Home.

Just a fantastic show. The only thing this triptych is missing is a big Other One, which hopefully we'l lget soon in another Spring '73 release. This is my absolute favorite time for the band. Pig is gone, but i think that freed them up in a sense, and you can hear it in the playing, which is adventurous. And they have a ton of new material to learn and hone. I get it that some of the 1st sets are repetitive, but I usually just hone in on Bobby or Phil, who are always playing something unexpected. Bring on more '73. I'd love some more fall shows too, which might be a bit more complicated to release becasue of the guest horn players.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 07/30/2020 - 15:30

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Well put slow dog. They are all great shows.. 4/2 has a little pixie dust mixed in with the mix, so it probably gets a little extra hype for that.

With the number of unreleased '74 shows just beginning to thin out.. 73 is going to come into the foreground eventually. I bet we get a good dose of 73 over the next year.. year and a half.

Anyone get Philly yet?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/31/2020 - 05:53

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No, in fact still no shipping notice for me.

Who has a pick for us today?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 07/31/2020 - 08:57

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Just an idea...

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 07/31/2020 - 09:06

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Started 4-2-73 this morning driving into work.
Sounded mighty fine.
Sound quality of releases just keeps getting better. Time to Plangentize/Normanize 12-18-73.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/31/2020 - 16:53

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Sounds like a great idea Jim, I have been gone all day. Just catching up. Capitol Center! Let's do it.

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 08/01/2020 - 09:01

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I've never understood why this Dark Star never gets any love. I remember in my tape trading days thinking that it ranked alongside 6/10 as the peak 73 Dark Stars. My old tape had crummy sound. I haven't heard the upgraded archive versions yet.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sat, 08/01/2020 - 09:39

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It's an absolute killer of a Dark Star! Dave & Co, when you gonna release 8/1/73, 2/9/73 and 5/26/73, I aint getting any younger.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 08/01/2020 - 10:06

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8/1/73 sounds good to me.

What a guy, Hey Garcia!

Man these folks at Dead.net, JerryGarcia.com, etc... have been busy during this pandemic, can barely keep up and that's all I'm doing. Totally Hardcore.

Releases, Shakedown Streams, Studio Outtakes, Dead Casts, Birthday Parties, Holy Shit!
I'm impressed.

Enjoy the Day you all, looking forward to some epic Dark Star action.

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 08/02/2020 - 19:00

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Well audience tape only on Archive...... I wonder if a Board is in the Vault.... Starting with the Playing right now in second set.... don't think I will be awake for whole show... be good all.... bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 08/03/2020 - 07:58

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Let's keep the train rolling along.
I am going to check out 11/28/80 from the 30 Trips release. Sending out the 1980 vibe in the dimming hopes of a 1980 box.

Loved the 3/14/90 revisit. Always have room for a Spring 1990 release. Black Peter!

Be well folks and everybody hang loose.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 08/03/2020 - 13:18

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Ha.. listened to this 2 or 3 days ago (the day we did Worcester '83), so it should count.. ??.

Great little show.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 08/03/2020 - 14:30

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Jim, funny, for sure it counts. And it is a short show, finished it off before lunch. Really laid back show. Only 18 songs. Really like the Passenger, Deep Elem, LLR is good and the Deal is hot. To Lay Me Down is excellent, very well played and the Terrapin into Drums is well played. Black Peter! Sugar Mag US Blues closer.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 08/03/2020 - 16:10

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Well, this fall is the 40th anniversary, and we did get Warfield Acoustic last year which caused a lot of speculation about a Fall ‘80 Box.

Sign me up!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 08/03/2020 - 18:53

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Conekid, yes, that has always been the hope for me after they started releasing the big box sets like E72, and the two Spring 1990 box sets, I thought it was only a matter of time. Here we are the 40th anniversary!

I know Glasser did not work on the June 76 Box, so I am hoping he was busy on something else??

And I have heard all the rumors, the tapes don't exist, they recorded over them after they released Dead Set and Reckoning, or For the Faithful. I think I still have my For the Faithful LP.
Anyway, I don't think that is true. Three reasons. They rereleased Dead Ahead with new bonus songs in the 2000s and expanded Dead Set and Reckoning in 2004 or 2007, can't remember the exact year, with all new bonus material from the run. So, there has to be something there.

Somebody knows around here.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 08/03/2020 - 19:35

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I have had him pretty occupied doing roofing repairs on my house. But it's going to rain the next several days, so he should be back in the studio cranking out 1980 gems as far as I'm concerned!

It does seem odd, the 1980 dilemma. I guess it's mostly true, but man.. they didn't even keep the single reel masters? Something must left worth releasing in the tool shed.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 03:46

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That appeared out of nowhere, so hopefully some SBD reels were in the ABCD stash.

Yeah, the reels weren’t in the vault because they were in the storage shed.
Fingers crossed.....

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 05:51

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Conekid, that would be cool. From the lists I have read, I am not sure they received anything more the acoustic sets from October 9 and 10.
Jim, you mention I guess it is mostly true. Can you elaborate on that?

Who has a pick for today?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 08:10

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Hi-Ya, chiming in on the 1980 stuff, in 2012 DL said the following:

“Recorded every show from Warfield & Radio City Music Hall to Multitrack. Unfortunately a lot of that was erased in the early 80s. Nonetheless there’s material there.”

A number of the Acoustic sets were part of the Betty Boards that were returned, I'm assuming those were two-track mixes though and not multi-track.

Not sure if there's any info about the wiping of the original tapes. If anybody has info on that story let me know.

In other news, looks like new DaP V35 might be arriving soon... fingers x'd.

And lastly 5/29 & 5/30/71 look kinda cool...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 08:21

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Those were general comments.. I have no facts to back them up. I just can't believe this there is nothing left on the shelves from those tours.

Lemieux.. if you listening, check in that unlabeled banana box in the back of the room with the Blues for Allah painting. We think you missed some reels.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 08:42

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Sounds like a winner to me. Cal Expo.

I am in the camp of hope for 1980. Time will tell.
Thanks for the information guys, this is better than the alternative.

GOGD, did you have a link for Dave's comments?

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Submitted by billy the kid on Tue, 08/04/2020 - 09:04

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To bad they erased those tapes, I'm happy to hear that some survived. I'm. happy they released the 10/9/80 and 10/10/80 acoustic sets, I was at both those shows , so that might mean they still have the electric sets for those shows. Both those shows were killer shows,electric and acoustic , so hopefully the electric sets will we the light of day and be.released.

BTK: Yeah, so I think based on Dave's comments that some of the multi-track stuff still exists, some of it got wiped. And then there's also Betty's 2 Track mixes that exist, I think those are mostly acoustic sets, at least based on what circulates.
I'm tempted to go through both runs and gather my notes on what SBDs are in circulation and which aren't, but I'm thinking that's a pretty good representation of what exists and what doesn't in the vault.

DeadVikes: Yeah, here's a link to Dave talking about this on January 17th 2012 @ 33:48ish - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19834305

It's a good watch and pretty informative. I stumbled on it looking into the 1970 tapes in the Vault, and it did answer my question on that as well.

Unfortunately, he states that there are virtually no shows in the Vault from July 16 through December 1970, largely because of Owsley getting busted. I guess the Dead themselves were not running tape at all during this time. Might be old news for some, but I wanted to confirm it with my own ears.

Clever Deadhead and Photographer Bob Minkin also gave us a clue to this on Page 221 of his book Live Dead with a picture of the 1970 reels in the Vault, in the picture there's a huge gap of reels between 7/16/70 - 12/27/70 :(

Dang it.

The above totally coincides with the tapes that circulate, mostly what exists in circulation from that time frame are either Fillmore East Crew SBDs (partials), FM Broadcasts, or Audience recordings.

So, mystery solved? I'd still like a nice list of what's there and not, but yeah that might be my OCD.

Since we're all getting older here, I think some time should be put towards figuring out what else exists from the Festival Express and to try and get that stuff and get it out there. I know there's more of that than what circulates.

Unfortunately, I don't see any 1970 acoustic set stuff happening for American Beauty 50th, because it doesn't sound like it exists. Happy to be wrong.

Alright, well there you have it, and that's the way it is Tuesday August 4, Two Thousand and Twenty, I'll be away on assignment and Dan Rather will be sitting in here for the next few years.