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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    Manipulative?

    would be if this fourth pick was a Dead and Co show.

  • itsburnsy
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    I like the name Kraken, my first choice was Sockeyes though. Drove by the official store (South Lake Union) last Saturday but didn't stop in. Can't wait to get like a 4 game ticket package.

    #36 is a surprise. The occasional 80's release is all good, but 2 in a row, c'mon Dave. The fourth pick of the year has historically been a solid (but not long pole) show to get us pumped for the sub. I'll postpone judgement until I hear it in it's re-mastered glory, but seems like a weak follow up to a mediocre '84 show. Anyway, can't wait to get the sub info for 37 and 38.

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    Love all the comments so far, and the diversity of opinion. Going back to when Dick’s Picks started, I only bought the shows that really pricked up my ears(68-72) mostly, and continued with Road Trips series. After boxzilla, I had a change of heart, and then had to go back(it’s that collector gene/defect) and fill in all the blanks. It wasn’t too embarrassingly expensive thank God. Luckily, the 2011 Bonus Disc(which I only have a burned copy of) taught me the lesson to always subscribe, so, I have a complete Dave’s series, along with RTs & Dick’s. I guess my first instinct was best, but because I have been buying music from 1965 to the present, that collectors gene/defect has taken over. So, since I MUST have it all, I will.
    I tell myself it’s good to have all eras, but It’s the very rare post ‘77 show that I give a second or third listen to. The bonus disc for me is a MUST have, so the price is worth it(right??).
    I won’t complain about ANY of the releases, and maybe one day, I’ll sell these complete sets. But probably not.
    I can’t disagree with anyone’s decision as to which way they will go. But for me, the first bonus disc that’s from after ‘77, I will be done with the subscriptions. Looking forward to new music, especially AB 50.
    Peace to all, stay safe & healthy.
    Music is the best!!

    P.S. There are only 4 songs from #36 that I am excited to hear(is that a complaint??).

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    Quote from a nice little blog aptly titled "the modern deadhead":

    "The five-month break and their healthier approach made a big difference to the sound. "I can't tell you what it means to have been to the point where it looked like there wasn't going to be any more Grateful Dead, and then to come back like this and to have it be as good as it is now," Kreutzmann said in '88, "We're playing better, we're healthier - all of us, not just Jerry - and we have more energy; I know I do. I feel great! I feel young!""

    http://moderndeadhead.blogspot.com/2009/12/grateful-dead-1987.html

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    I was not aware that one of these was Dave’s first show. That makes some sense. I would probably have only bought one from this year, too, if I’d been buying a la carte. Only problem with a la carte is you end up paying about $50 per show, once you factor in tax and shipping. Makes the sub model more appealing.

    I'm amazed (and proud of you guys) for not jumping all over me for what I wrote. I almost never post here, mainly because of a small contingent of folks who cannot stomach anything that smacks of criticism, or even discernment. And they want to argue if you're being "negative."

    There's NO rule that being a Deadhead means never criticizing a performance, or even loving every era equally. That’s pure BS. Many, many Deadheads who actually saw them perform WITH JERRY back in the day were critical then, and have just as much right to be critical now. The “Drums” segment of 80s shows was literally a piss break for half the people in the place at every concert I attended. People derided the 70s-era version “Dancing in the Streets” as “Disco Dead,” and yes, said the same thing about “Shakedown” when it first came out. “U.S. Blues” was often considered a least-preferred encore, earning the nickname “Useless Blues.” Don’t even get me started on “Day Job” (a song which I happen to think is a fun throwaway, actually). And yes, people who jumped on the bus when “Touch of Grey” came out were looked down on as “Touch-Heads.” I was there.

    Having said all that, I'll give these a listen, and am looking forward to having more HQ versions of "West LA" and "Alabama." But seeing those dates keeps my expectations very, very low. Good era for Bobby fanatics, not so much for Jerry diehards, IMHO.

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    Unless they really piss me off (and they might just do that one day), I will likely subscribe to the bitten end.

    I enjoy it.. and looking back, I am happy with the shows I saw, even the ones that were not 'great,' the regret I have is the shows I could have seen but didn't.. What's $25 a release in the grand scheme of things.. I look at all the money I never spent smoking, that's my Dave's Picks loot.

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    If I was buying alacarte this year , I only would have bought the 1974 release ( Dave's #34).

  • hendrixfreak
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    Classic reactions, including mine...

    First off, there's a sheet-ton of great shows left in the vault. Without a doubt. But the number of release-able shows for, say, '67, '68, '69 and '70 is limited, I'd guess. Plus, shows in those years tended to be too short for a Dave's release. Though (2) '68s or '69s would fill three discs. So Dave is killing two birds with one stone: upend the pattern of a strong finish to the year, release his own first show. Any criticism of the vault keeper for doing that is mainly -- according to these pages -- seems rooted in wanting our own first shows released instead.

    There are a ton of shows from '71, '72, and '73 and a handful from '74 yet to go. And good-sounding 80s tapes -- at least judging from 30 Trips -- are not all that abundant. But Dave will be scouring for 80s and maybe 90s tapes to leaven and slow the release of the prime stuff from '71 to '74. Understandable, in a sense, if they want to stretch this vault release stream til Dave retires. Instead, I'd rather see a decade-long model where we just get the cream.

    I'd guess that the 2021 Dave's Picks start out strong, based on an '84 and an '87 to end this year. But if the 3rd and 4th picks are downright lame, I'd probably bail on the subscription after only-god-knows how many years.

    That said, the boxes certainly provide Dave another outlet. And I'd guess he'll want a blockbuster for 2021. I'm still thinking fall '72.

    Frankly, if I were Dave, I'd love to read the squirming comments that greet a surprise pick, knowing that he can make us all stop chattering with a phenomenal #37 announcement or a killer box next year.

    To sum up this year, the June '76 box really hit the spot; I like June much better than the rest of that year. We got (2) Feb '71 shows. The October '77 Dekalb show is a classic from tape trading days and entirely welcome. And June '74 with bonus disc is in the sweet spot. So overall I'd have to grade the year's output as an A and remain open-minded about the forthcoming '87 show.

    Naturally, I'll be riveted to learn about #37 and #38 and the 2021 box. Meanwhile, this winter, I only have a couple hundred shows to enjoy while we hunker down once again in the vortex of unanticipated events.

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    I would love a crisp '91! Though honestly, there are (a lot of) times I actually prefer the later Vince era to the '91-'92 Hornsby/Welnick period. At any rate, perhaps it goes without saying, we still haven't seen a '90s Dave Pick.

    Dick (or I guess should say Dick's Picks) gave us:

    3 '90s
    5 '80s (counting 12/26/79)
    3 '60s (4 if you count 2/13-2/14/70)

    Dave (Dave's Picks) has given us:

    0 '90s
    6 '80s (counting 12/3/79)
    4 '60s (counting 1/2 and 1/23/70)

    It's obvious that the sweet spot for both series' is the '70s. If this is a gift to Dave (this was his first show), it's well-deserved. Heck, it's perhaps even more deserved as a gift to Charlie Miller (his favorite show).

    How's this look? As a very rough (not fully thought out schematic): Each year we get one respective pick from the following eras: '69-'72, '73-'78, '79-'86, '87-'95. I'd take it! But it wouldn't be as fun, I don't think. In Dave We Trust! I subscribe because I want them all and want to support the enterprise, but a la carte is definitely an option now for many at 22K.

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    Hey, that quitting smoking shit was easy,,,, quit subscribing??? Don't know if I have enough man in me for that!

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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What is this Egypt 1978 stuff that is showing up???

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Does anyone know how to access the list of Bear’s recordings?? I’ve tried, but perhaps you have to kick in the $400 first. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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I hadn't noticed the Egypt '78 merch until Chuck pointed it out, but it does seem like they're putting a dead logo on everything that they can think of from Axes and Aprons to Shirts and Shoes. Grateful Dead Leatherman Wave? Cool tool, but nothing I would have thought of on my own.

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....'Rocking The Cradle' was released some time ago, encompassing some pretty good stuff (lookin at you, bonus disc) from their Egyptian Great Pyramid run in Fall 1978...hence the merch tie-in, assuming. The offering came with an accompanying DVD, which I actually don't recall ever watching although I'm sure I did at some point. The DVD also has some 'home-video' snippets of the trip from the band, which apparently will also be aired tonight.

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Yes, the bonus material on the DVD is them touring Egypt and riding on a boat on the Nile. Bill Walton is on the boat with them.

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I think I was supposed to get DP #35 but got 33 instead! I already have 33 and 34!

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My Dap 35 has been sitting in Fontana for 3 days. No movement whatsoever unless they just stopped scanning it.

So you got Dap 33? Wouldn’t that be the all time new low at dead.net if everyone was sent Dap 33 by mistake? Unbelievable

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I’m with VGuy - pass. This new business model of copious amounts of Dead branded stuff reminds me of the old Get Smart series, where Max discovers The Craw’s Dry Cleaning business is merely a front for the nefarious deeds of Kaos. Substitute “spy network” for music output, and “laundry” for all this Dead swag, and they have it nailed:

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The spy network is just a front. The real money is in the laundry.

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I've still not received Dap 34...

UPS status update hasn't changed since the 3rd day after I got my shipping notice back in... (checks email).. April.

Thought I'd give it time given the world's situation.. but this is ridiculous. Why can't we get a proper shipping system?

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If you haven’t done so already you really need to get marye involved. At this point, she is the only one who can help you remedy this situation

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Ya know, I'm really starting to dig these Friday night Shakedown Streams...

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....sounds and looks pretty damn good to me.
edit. Marye does get it done.
1978 > 2020.
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Edit squared. Happy Birthday Jerome John Garcia. 🍺

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I for one love the performances ,not their best but still packed with grateful Fueled Cosmic-magical Energy! ! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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7/31/74: Great show that meanders into some great pockets of mellow Dead. Listened to it yesterday and today. The audio could use The New Norman. This '74 show sounds more like DP 7 and 31. Plangent, Cogent, whatever it takes. Things have moved along - just listen to Jai-Alai, 30 Trips, and the '74 shows from the Pacific Northwest box set.

And now into 8/1/73. I have only the bare essentials: Bird Song, Dark Star, Eyes of the World, and Morning Dew. That'll do it.

8/1/73 - also reportedly the last time Jerry played the Alligator.

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I have to say I love the Shakedown Stream. Dave L. and the crew once again get my thanks and gratitude for giving us these shows. Plus the pre-show is great with all the guests. I love hearing all of the stories. Last weeks pre-show with David Crosby was great and I got a laugh with his unexpected early exit.

Now Rocking the Cradle...so back when this was released in 2008 I was fairly critical of it. I was passionate about this band and the shows that got released. I am still just as passionate, but back then I was misguided. One of my issues with Rocking the Cradle extended into the newly initiated Road Trips at that time, which had to do with the lack of complete shows. My stance has changed 180 degrees on the complete show debate- I prefer them but do not demand them.

Yet the bigger issue with Rocking the Cradle, and I still stand by this, is that the Egypt shows, albeit a momentous occasion, were not very good musically on the whole. I feel like that release came to be due to 2008 being the 30th anniversary of those shows and of course the location of the shows being so exotic. I felt that there were better shows that could have been released back then.

Looking back from the weird year of 2020, I not only changed my stance on the Road Trips series which I love, but Dave L. and company have given us so many great shows since 2008. Between all of the box sets, Dave's Picks, bonus material on reissues, and 30 Days of Dead we have been given a plethora of better shows since then. I think if Rocking the Cradle was released in current times, I would be way more interested in it. Yet in 2008, and not having that elusive Tardis, I didn't see the future so I did have my objections. Seriously who would have thought that we would get all of these great shows? I remember thinking that getting a complete run or tour, say Europe 72 for example, was impossible. I was wrong...happily.

Now I do own Ricking the Cradle, as I picked up a used copy a few years ago. Its not a show(s) I turn to often but I really like the video material from it.

Coming back full circle, next week's Shakedown Stream is going to be the last for a while. I am a little bummed but as we know, all good things come to an end at least for a while. I have got used to it and along with Phish's and Dead and Co. Tuesday and Saturday streams it has made things better in the twisted year we are stuck in. As always, I am grateful for all of the great music we have been given.

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Why do we get tracking that does nothing for a week. While we wait with no updates, etc etc. Just wondering thsts all .

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rb et al., send me a PM and I'll get the Doc on the case. More generally, I don't know what it's like where you live, but in my neighborhood in Oakland we haven't had a mail delivery for two days, so quite a number of things seem to not be working correctly in these weird times.
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big happy birdday to jeramiah jeremy jerry garcia junior the third

once in a while you get shown a lite in a stranger place if you look to the rite
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The orange thing in The White House has told the Postmaster General who was appointed 6/15/20 and is an ardent supporter of the administration, to sloooow things down. His 1st attempt at derailing mail-in voting? I'm not getting political but thought all concerned might like to know why things are/may be running late.

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....because the future of the United States of America is on the line. This is bigger than the latest Dave's.
Seriously. Vote early.
This is not a drill folks.

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Grateful Han, agreed, these streams are great. I watched most of Egypt last night and was really impressed. Tonight I watched the pre-game and was really blown away with how eloquent and expressive Mickey is. So sharp. His memories of '78 are great. Thanks so much Mickey.

I know its somewhat unavoidable and I don't pretend to be a spokesperson for the community in any way, but I personally would encourage people to focus their political thoughts on other outlets. For sure let your family and friends know how you feel about whats going on in the US these days and what needs to happen in November. I just don't want the conversations here to degrade into the partisan morass that I see in so many places. This site is a refuge of sorts and I don't want to have to leave it.

I respect differing opinions and everyone's right to speak freely here and anywhere. I just personally would like to associate this forum with the dead and their music and not politics.

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I fully agree that politics and political discussions should be saved for fora that exist specifically for that purpose rather than be aired on here. However, in the current viciously divisive situation in the United States where seemingly every issue, however trivial, causes bitter division along political lines it is difficult to avoid politics completely when discussing why people believe things are the way they are right now. It is sad to see a country tearing itself apart, but that is what is happening.

It is always interesting to hear the points of view of others on here and this would be a poorer place without that but it would be appreciated if politics could be kept out of discussions as much as possible. We have all seen what getting political leads to on here and it isn't pretty.

Your chance is coming, however. If you don't like the way things are, or indeed if you do, then get out and exercise your democratic right to vote. As Vguy said "the future of the United States of America is on the line". Apparently you will then get the president that you deserve. Of course it isn't that simple in this day and age, but we are all aware of that sad fact.

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I wouldn't have thought advising people to vote was controversial politically. Its not as though advice was proffered on who to vote for.

I haven't noticed Dicks Picks 26 on vinyl popping up at any UK outlets yet. Eyes peeled for that one.

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Mine has been sitting in Fontana ca for the past 5 days. No scans, no updates, no movement.

Edit: the problem doesn’t seem to be the post office. The problem seems to be with UPS Mail Innovations

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Shipping notice appeared on 07/31 but UPS don’t recognise the tracking number yet. I’ll be happy if the album turns up at any point in August.

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...I don't know, sounded like a suggestion of who not to vote for, which sounds like taking a position on who to vote for in another way. I see a lot of political statements on here that people don't seem to consider political, maybe because it is an expression of a political viewpoint with which they agree. Certainly when I criticized Joe's drug war legislation in a response to a drug war post it was perceived as political, Slow Dog and Jim were quick jump on the post as inappropriately political, so criticizing Trump (we all know who the orange one refers to) about a political accusation related to an alleged attempt to steal the election seems at least equally political. Have to say I feel better seeing that Slow Dog at least is discouraging political discussions pretty much without regard to the viewpoint. I mean, I love to talk (argue?) about politics and am always willing to throw down if someone wants a debate, and I have a dim enough view of most politicians and a thick skin so I doubt you'll hurt my feelings, but I notice some folks do get pretty upset when confronted with a different viewpoint than their own, so I generally make an effort not to inject politics into these threads. Not that I'm always successful. But if you are going to excuse political comments with one viewpoint, don't pretend it is the politics that bothers you, at least admit that it is the expression of a political viewpoint with which you disagree that bothers you.

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Same

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Seen this bumper sticker on a car parked at a local trail head yesterday...

"Weir On A Mission From Bob"

A little Blues Bros/Dead humor.....cracked me up.

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How did HST know that all the deadheads in Florida didn't vote in 2000? Are deadheads politically fungible, sharing identical political viewpoints throughout the vast pool of individuals who are deadheads? Is it a political group not a group of fans of a band that stayed pretty consistently non-political throughout their career? Would all the Forida deadheads have voted the same? Are you not a deadhead if you don't subscribe to a particular political ideology? When I first started hanging out with deadheads, one of the things I liked was the diversity of opinion and thought, and a tolerance for differences so it seems odd to me to think of deadheads as a homogeneous political group-mind. Maybe I was wrong.

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Is really killing the vibe here, at least for me...let's try and keep our focus on the lighter side of things here...I know that many of us have very strong opinions regarding the crazy times we're in, I'd love to see more comments about the Daze Between stream than about this b.s. that will blow away...

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Most discussions on here are welcome, as long as there’s no rancor involved. But I generally prefer music based topics. I love to get turned on to music I don’t already have. McCoy Tyner’s Sahara was the last awesome thing I got from these pages.
I only followed the tracking on a Dave‘s once. It was so frustrating that I now just wait to be surprised. Based on when other folks get their copies, I’m generally not in the first wave, but usually in the 2nd or 3rd wave. That’s fine.

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....and for that, I apologize. Now excuse me as I gloss over the lyrics to Throwing Stones.
I made my statement ambiguous on purpose.
Be safe. Be smart. Be brave. I love you all. I fare you well and hope the four winds bring you safely home.
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...I just stumbled across Bear's Sonic Journal: Commander Cody at the Family Dog Complete Set...seems to ba a download only of five nights at the Family Dog...the tracks that were bonus tracks on the prior two disc set are now full blown complete shows...also it seems to be in Hi Res only...a little over 5 hrs long...will probably grab it next week as I blew my allowance yesterday on the Criterion Collection "Godzilla: The Showa Era Films '54 - '75" Box Set....Also, Hey Dennis!...thanks for the Pokey video...he's always a gas...I especillay love when Chloe Feoranzo joins his band on her clarinet...and speaking of organic tunes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUoIQ1UGDxg

later instigators...

I apologize to the community at large for any political references I made regarding delivery of DaP35.

The mail is being slowed down; Marye herself stated earlier on this thread (8/1) that Oakland hadn't had mail delivery for 2 days...so before contacting her or condemning Rhino/USPS/UPS Mail Innovations, maybe allow an additional 1-2 weeks for delivery? longer? End of FYI. As further apolitical evidence I offer a Last 5.

GD / Related:
1. GD - DaP34 6/23/74 Miami, FL
2. GD - 5/26/77 Baltimore, MD
3. GD - 10/8/89 Hampton, VA (Formerly The Warlocks box)
4. JG - Don't Let Go: 5/21/76 San Francisco, CA
5. Kingfish - In Concert: 4/3/76 NYC, NY

Other:
1. Jason Isbell - Reunions
2. John Cale & Terry Riley - The Church Of Anthrax.....which led to
3. Africa Express w/Damon Albarn & Brian Eno - Terry Riley's 'In C'.....which led to
4. Fripp & Eno - No Pussyfooting....which led to
5. King Crimson - Red

Approximately 5-6 years ago a fellow poster on a DaP thread highly recommended the 'Africa Express' album. I took them up on their recommendation and was amazed. It's since become a 'desert island' favorite. A hearty 'thank you' to that person.

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I got the email on 29 July. Checked tracking for couple of days said not received yet. Today I checked it's in SLC transferred to usps. They don't have a tracking yet. I'm thinking next Thursday. Be patient
As I'm in the transportation industry I've worked strait through. Between short staffing due to illness, those refusing to come in etc. Things are much slower and tracking can be haphazard. Give it time. Some countries just shut down their deliveries

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