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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Going back to keyboardists, Tom Constanten brought a lot to the mix. I believe he helped shape Anthem of the Sun and Aoxomoxoa to be the albums they were. His harpsichord playing elevated the live Mountains of the Moon, too, and although he was generally quiet in the overall mix, his presence lent psychedelic shimmer at all times. Its always a something of surprise when he cuts through and solos-there are a few brief moments on the Lovelight from the recently mentioned 4/6/69 where he comes through unexpectedly clearly. Good stuff.

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    I don't believe it's a funny joke to threaten to take someone out back and beat the shit out of them. Talk about uncouth. Your response though is perfectly well written. You seem to write just fine, and then gaslight and obfuscate when you cross the line on what's considered good taste, or are called out on inappropriate speech towards members here. What you wrote is a veiled threat. The veil was the :-) and the statement that you were just joking. It's not funny at all, and you certainly don't have the rapport with me to assume I would get a kick out of it. You've also gone on to explain that you wrote it because you disagreed with my opinion. So I borrowed the word "obfuscating" from one person on the American Beauty page who described the method of retreat you use when people ask you for more details on these fantastic claims you make. That is the perfect word for what you did in response to my question about technical differences you claim were used to engineer the American Beauty bonus concert at Port Chester vs the one released with Workingman's Dead. It was a simple question. Where did you get the information? You didn't just say that it sounded different on the listening party tracks. You claimed a different process was used to engineer the two different shows from Port Chester. Obfuscating is to be evasive, unclear, or confusing. That's you LMG. I challenge you to give a straight written answer to your claim where you said (and this is a direct copy and paste of your words) "the 71’ performance included in the 50th American Beauty Release has a different approach to the overall quality performance finished master. their is a technical difference in the mix and mastering." In addition you said that Ned was one of the factors, so point taken, the show will sound different with Ned. But a guest musician has nothing to do with the technical approach to mastering the tapes that you claim occurred in this show. What is the technical difference? I don't tune in here much, but I thought you had read an article somewhere, etc. But I've seen a few posts and PMs now this is just your MO. At first I thought you were just upset with me because I chose not to buy your Europe 72 CDs. It sounds like this is just "what your trip is"

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    Well said... I never thought about it like that but how true. Pig was also very much a bar band keyboardist, but it worked for the times. Keith was brilliant, a virtuoso and an insanely good improvisationalist. It never got that good again. But, that was offset by Donna's unnecessary atonal shrieking.

    So there was never a "perfect" Dead era, really. Or one could say that they were all perfect in their way. My listening pleasure is undiminished by any of it, although I always cut the volume when "Playing In The Band" comes back in from the improv and Donna's horrible, embarrassing banshee wails spoil the soup - very briefly.

    Brent was a much more palatable keyboard player than vocalist, but he was no Keith Godchaux. Vince Welnick they settled on because it was easy and they were lazy. Nothing against Vince, personally, it was the gig of his lifetime.

    Be well everyone.

    \m/

  • proudfoot
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    When i cutnpasted the quote...

    "That" name popped up, so my guess was an innocent participation. Yikes.

    Strange days.

    Animosity rears its ugly head.

    So, how about that new Daves?

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    Sorry to disappoint you with my “spew”!
    Your very kind , thank you for letting me know how you feel. Peace be with you! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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    Hello their ProudFoot, thank you for taking a guess on who made the above statement/Quote.
    I’m sorry to say the answer is not ‘The President of the United States of America’, at this time being ‘Donald Trump’
    The Answer is, “Jim Morrison” of The Doors!
    While the the ‘Doors’ were on tour during 1970, the band and I would say in my opinion,” more so by the record label & Paul R. The Doors long term producer and along came the bands long term Recording engineer ‘Bruce Botnick’ was recording performances to make a live album that what eventually became ‘absolutely live’ double LP. Any way to get to the point of all of this, during many of the Doors performances/concerts After the “‘ Miami fiasco“ which was allegations of Jim Morrison exposing himself during the doors performance in Miami Florida 1969. When the doors returned back to touring,during many of these concerts, there was quite a few Attendees who would make “shout outs & many hecklers not so much towards the Doors but more towards Jim and his supposed public nakedness! At times Jim would make say comebacks. And Jim Morrison was recorded saying my Quote In question during a performance where he responded to one of these hecklers and cat collars cat calls, lol , Jim Morrison had a weird Sense of humor and. At another performance Jim Morrison asked one hecklerif ...”if he’d taken a good shit lately ?! Like I said Jim could go out there sometimes!
    Theirs a famous recording Of Jim speaking about democracy versus astrology added to the Doors infamous song ‘Roadhouses blues” which was recorded During the 1970 ‘Boston arena’ performances if I remember remember correctly. What was my whole point of it all it was really all about the recent heckling of the next Dave’s Picks 36 being two performances from 1987 and how some fans can actually believe nothen good came from the 80s. I think to really ‘get’ the Grateful dead one has to keep an open minded attitude. Like Jerry Garcia more than once stating “the dead isn’t for everyone; it’s like licorice!”
    Believe it or not Jim Morrison felt the same way with his work with the ‘Doors’. Jim was once quoted saying,” the Doors is a band people Love to hate” lol ha ha! well that was the reason for my post, it had nothen to due or towards member ‘Butch’ it was a reflection on his recent post stating all the “disappointment among many fans of the band & subscribers of the Dave’s Picks 2020 Yearly prescription in the Dave’s Picks series. To this date , there’s been only three 80’s picks out of 35 picks so far in the series.
    I don’t understand how my post could be looked at as an. Offense to a member but that was not my intention at all so to Butch if you were thinking I was making a personal attack on you the truth of the matter I truly didn’t mean it to look that way if or it seems you believe so. and I really didn’t. sorry if you feel/felt Differently againI only wish you peace. Your name calling don’t bother me I just believe it doesn’t belong on this grateful little community forum we all seem to enjoy. Again it’s over with and I’ve moved on , I hope I cleared some thing up for you butch . Take care & have a grateful day butch and to everyone else here. Be safe be kind and keep on truck’n all you beautiful people out there in deadland!
    🙏❤️💀🌹

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    Man, I need some more popcorn!

  • proudfoot
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    Watching Live Rescue tv show

    A segment takes place in....

    Gainesville!

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    Thank you both.

    Butch - for using your ears alone to provide an accurate assessment of the band over the years.

    LMG - for not changing your icon. I rely on that beacon to scroll past your spew.

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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I heard that the next Dave's 36 comes with a free bowl of soup.

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I love this release. I was not expecting to, my groove generally hovering around 1971-1970 whatever, but this is good. You can hear all the drugs and bad living creeping into Jerry's increasingly croaky, dry voice, but he isn't yet the post-coma old man/uncle we'd all know and love forever after.

No, this was a ship sailing through calm waters before that storm as well as the ones that came after. Garcia the Head, with the longer hair, beard dandruff on the black T-shirt and stinking. But still, somehow, a messiah on stage.

Go figure.

I have never brought politics onto this board. Most everything else but not that, as it seems obvious. But, hell, a little blood in the water never hurt anyone. Like taking a broad to a strip club, or a fight. Ever watch a woman watch a boxing match, in person? My God. Take her back to the hotel room after and she'll tear you apart.

For the purists, back to the music, this is very "liquidy". Jerry wanks a bit with no real beginning or end to some of his solos, what he's saying conversationally lacks the eloquence and plot he'd lost in the few years preceding, due to massive cocaine and Persian use, but hey, who am I to judge?

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If I put crackers in the soup does it count as a meal?

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Only at mendy's.

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I haven't got Dave's Picks 35 yet, but yesterday I got the Complete Funhouse Sessions by Iggy and The Stooges. Its the 7cd box, second hand from France. At the moment it is in quarantine in the next room, where it is quietly pulsing with energy. Its always was a dangerous sounding album, and if you handle this box incautiously now it could kill you.

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No, not DaP #35. Garcialive 14 and the bonus disc have dropped through the letterbox. That’s 21 days from the initial notice of dispatch or 14 days since the package actually started to move. Even better there were no import charges because it was so cheap. I’ll listen to them in a couple of days.

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Oro, we do Amazon Prime, so not sure of the particulars. I believe it starts as UPS delivery, but ends with Amazon delivery person at point of delivery. The Amazon folks are making daily deliveries to our house and our neighbors. While I would like to support dead.net for all product, I always buy the mass market items from Amazon-- always cheaper and free, reliable shipping (used to be 2-day, now it is next day).

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I see that there is a story in the news today, , that leaders in both parties Rep & Dem are trying to get the postmaster General to get rid of the operational changes that have slowed down the mail.

Deadtony
I'm in identical boat. UPS says it was transferred to USPS. USPS did not get it.
I called dead.net. that was adventure! She just kept talking in circles saying I should get tracking number by Monday to Wednesday after release date. I pointed out twice that it was now Thursday after release date. She repeated tbe same thing to me like she was reading from a script. I finally asked how long I would have to wait before calling again without getting this answer because I'm pretty sure package got lost. She finally broke script and said call back one werk from yesterday.
So there's at least hope I will eventually get some kind of customer service.
Some form of screw up like this happens at least once a year with my subscription. So far they have always made it right. I hope they have backup copies for those of us who are/got lost in the ether.

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So, I was saving DaP 33 for a “rainy day“ and I opened it up this morning. To my surprise, my copy has two Disc 3s and no Disc 1. Did this happen to anyone else? Does anyone know if GDM can make it right? I’m really liking Disc 3, but I’d really rather have the first disc to complete the show. Thanks!!!

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... and STILL no shipping order, so I can't even look up a tracking number to see if it has arrived in my area. This thing was "released" a week ago today.

I am not sure what is going on with USPS, but NO ONE in the city of Baltimore got their mail yesterday. That is plain crazy to me.

"No matter rain, nor snow, nor sleet, nor - oh wait... Pandemic, massive budget cuts, mismanagement? Yeah, those things will stop the mail."

Ugh... I am leaving for a long road trip on Sunday morning... I really hope I can listen to DaP35 on the drive.

Peace

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...now let's go out and sing.

Bad for even a bad night. Another Wheel running on a flat tire.

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After some investigative work our post master has an image of our 35 package and for whatever reason deadnet changed our address/info (didn’t include the X + box number) so that is why the PO sent it back.
We’ve noticed this has become a trend with other sellers recently: changing our shipping information from what we have listed, and always used via PO instructions, so that more and more of our things are getting sent back! Why? Why all of a sudden is this happening? And again, don’t mean to beat a dead horse but why the hell cant WE, the costumer, remember when the customer was always right, why can’t WE determine our shipping method?? Ya know, the good ole days when shit made sense, my God I sound more and more like my poor deceased mother! LOL

So yeah, hey PTB, GIVE US SHIPPING OPTIONS!
Oh, sorry I’m “whining” again...just thought folks with similar circumstances might find this informative...

EDIT: lest the trolls think I’m being “angry” ??? A big shout out to super Mary and the crack investigative crew at dead/rhino who are on it and trying to rectify this unfortunate situation. THANK YOU ALL, thanks to Dave, thanks to the folks who risk their life at the PO, thanks to the brave folks who ship, and work at the warehouse, and the super market, and the weed store, and the beer store, and bless Tiny Tim too! Hopefully I’ve covered everyone and checked all the PC boxes cause I’d hate to insult or upset anyone!
Where ever he goes the people all complain...wonder if St Stephen name is taken, if not I should change...

DBL EDIT: thanks Vguy, miss your awesome jokes, we need more laughter, “does anyone remember laughter”

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Yes.. give us or Dave's Picks.

Neither rain nor snow, how does that go?

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I know why things are getting goofy....because super Mary stopped hand delivering them individually on her magic Schwinn bicycle! LOL Poor girl has to do everything around here!

LOL, reminds me of this commercial. You hockey nuts might remember this one!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GFaP4vp-5Xc

EDIT: Jim, I think it’s neither rain or snow or political corruption....

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I gotta say I am a little disappointed in this release. Pitch is off. It's slowed down. I haven't checked yet so I don't know if all songs are off, but the few I have checked are. Still glad to have it because I was at this show, but man...can't get the speed correct?

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Thanks for the chuckle Oro.....LOL.....Yep, remember it well. Wait, are we still allowed to say "hot girls"?

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Was that an orange dog story?

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So far listened through Fire. I'll have to listen again, but my experience was the band didn't take off in the first set until the Let it Grow. Jerry really wailed on that. That was my frequent experience at the shows, the band often took a while to warm up in the first set. Jer continued with scorching solos on Fire. His voice is really craggy, maybe he had a cold that night, but he could still play with fire.

I have no problem with the bonus tracks, even when they are out of order on the second and third discs. Heck, that's practically a whole second set from the previous night as bonus material! I'm all in on that.

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Yup..no updates on this end..I pm'd Marye who said she would pass the info on to Doc Rhino..she's seems like a great gal BTW..I did get an email from dead.net last night, all it did was provide me with the same tracking info I have and had given to Marye.. So idk..I also got an email from USPS..as I opened an inquiry there to see what might have happened to it..just got the standard we will look into response...SIGH...all I can do is give it a couple days I guess.. Then try calling dead.net like you did. Hope they made some back up copies..

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....this is not a drill.
On a positive note, Daves out for delivery. Thats about all I got.
I didn't ask to be named senator, but if the shoe fits.

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ups says my pkg was accepted at my local post office on 8/3. today is 8/7 and still nothin. arghhh. nothing left to do but wait. i emailed dead customer service but deadtony's story is exactly mine as well. fingers crossed we all get delivery soon. peace all

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Add this to your needs: Black Sabbath "Paranoid" 50th Anniversary on 5 LPs now available for preorder from Rhino.
My original copy was STOLEN, so I have an excuse.

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On my second listen, and I got to say I like I it...Sound quality is excellent...Cumberland, Wharf Rat, Terrapin, China-Rider, what's not to like? Somebody mentioned the pitch is off, and it seemed slowed down, but I don't hear it.....

Thirty-five Dave's Picks and I've yet to be disappointed....keep em coming!

Now if we could just get that 80's Ventura/Frost/Greek Box Set by the end of the year.....am I right Billy the Kid??

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... I listened to the first disc repeatedly all afternoon with a grateful grin, I believe it may have taken a few numbers to get warmed up but I don’t really think it was from “let it Grow” onward. I really dig the “Cumberland blues, ‘little red rooster”, my brother assume” & it must of been the Roses is pretty primo for my taste. I do wish Brent was a bit more upfront in his keyboards and vocals, but this is 1984 , not spring 90 Brent or the other band members as well. But it’s a pretty grateful performance for the spring of 84’ !
My biggest disappointment came with the ‘sugar magnolia’ performance! Not one of their better versions, I some points , I start making weird faces listening to this take! I love the Morning Dew though, Jerry is in fine voice and playing guitar!!! 🙏❤️💀🌹

Love dat sheet, one of my favorite first sets ever!

7/14/85...not familiar....must go there!

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...including 35 which I've listened to twice so far...

1) Thelonious Monk - Misterioso
2) Boss Of The Blues: Big Joe Turner Sings Kansas City Jazz
3) Chuck Berry - After School Session
4) Santana III Deluxe Edition Disc 2 live at Fillmore West
5) DaP 35....

Damn captchas are back!!!!

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In all of the years as a subscriber (since the get go,) and with all of the box-sets and other releases I have ordered, I have yet to have any issue. Of course, I have never been expecting to receive a release 6-months deep into a world-wide pandemic. It does bother me that my friend who lives just over a mile away (albeit in a different ZIP) received his on Tuesday.

Oh well. Hopefully it will come unannounced today, or it will be waiting for me on Friday when I get back from my trip.

Peace

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...since it was sent from the Mother Ship. I'm thinking all good things in all good time. I have a sneaking suspicion it's getting closer (to my home). Stay well, all and have a grateful day!

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Just got back from vacation and missed this whole release of 4/19, 4/20
83, 84, 85 I went to many shows. Did this whole spring tour. I have thought for years how underrated the pre-coma years have been. Always loved 4/20/84 and wondered why there have been very few vault releases from this era. Great news!!!

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Today's tracking report: "08/08/2020 8:47 A.M., San Antonio, TX, United States. Package routed to wrong post office. Package will be transferred to correct post office for delivery." Pretty nutty. My Dave's was only 2.5 hours away in Midland this past Wednesday (San Antonio's almost 7 hours away). Cut hours & staff, increase volume, overlay with a pandemic, and, voilà!
Lessee. . . I'm one of the few Texans who can vote by mail if I so choose. Hmmmmm. . .

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twilight zone shipping hoped for yesterday, but tracking updated today and was in box this morning in Ohio. Just starting...not sure the time dif but looks like all the filler tracks could've been just added to the end? oh well (PGFM) its all here and its all grate...

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For those who haven’t spent all their money yet. These two boxes are due out in September.

Fleetwood Mac 1969 - 1974
Hard Luck Stories 1972 - 1982 - Richard and Linda Thompson

Big Brownie - that speaks to my condition. I got the cd box a few years ago which I think has all the same music on as this vinyl box. So I'll probably pass this by. See how much it costs, anyway...One of the first albums I ever bought back in 1972.

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Band is on fire, Love the mid 80's influence on Brent and the group's sound. Jerry's guitar work is amazing but his singing is unfortunately pretty shot here, as rough as i've ever heard him. I'm not sure i can move past this for future listenings. Bummer as I was really looking forward to this.

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* Grateful Dead
08/01/1973
Roosevelt Stadium
Jersey City, NJ

Dark Star ...
El Paso ...
Eyes Of The World ...
Morning Dew
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xzRPTlfVodw&fbclid=IwAR0sb4ks-IAEWVn0Omg2…

Dark Star through Morning Dew is from a crisp SBD remastered by David Gans:

Soundboard ... 7.5ips Master Reel ... Cassette ... 20 bit A/D ... CDR

* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xzRPTlfVodw&fbclid=IwAR0sb4ks-IAEWVn0Omg2…🙏❤️💀🌹

***** Grateful Dead - 8/01/73 - Dark Star _ El Paso _ Eyes of the World _ Morning Dew!
*** This is some amazing primo Grateful Dead Music, enjoy everyone, have a grateful day everyone! 🙏❤️💀🌹

I hear ya'; thought Jerry's voice on Scarlet was just about the worst I heard him, really depressing; that was enough for me to skip that release, even though the playing's hot(pitch being off is another bummer, you'd think they could get that right.) Glad others are enjoying it though. I can't get past 67-82.

As always, it's a matter of opinion; for me Comes a Time, for example, has to have both good vocals and great guitar. I just can't deal with Jerry's ravaged 84/85 voice, he did improve post 87.
Although according to Fat Freddie, a great guitar solo will get you through times of bad vocals, better than great vocals will get you through times of a bad guitar solo. Enjoy 35!

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For those hanging in there, good luck. I hope it arrives post haste for y'all. I am ripping now and enjoying the gratuitous 4/20 pick, regardless of the typo on the back! Stay healthy all! :-)

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Cousins - I am impressed that you can get up to 82! I am looking forward to this release, though. I'm currently going through the summer 71 shows I have, and they are red hot. I know its wrong to compare, but if this new Pick arrives any time soon-maybe I'd best just finish the 71, have a Dead break, and then start with a clean slate with DaP 35.

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