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    "It's judgment that defeats us"
    Earlier in the week, there was a story in the news about a NYC bus driver who caught a 7 year old girl who had fallen from a three story building. Had that bus driver used his better judgment, instead of inserting himself into the space between the 40-50 pound falling object and the ground, the girl would have likely died. Our judgment is mostly a function of our intellect, but reason is only a part of who we are.
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    "Apocalypse Now" - Colonel Kurtz's monologue at the end "I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with Special Forces. Seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters. These were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us." (Boy, I'm in a mood today)
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    As I've mentioned several times, the ongoing dispute between the US/Israel (backed by other Western nations) and Iran is still picking up steam. Israel/West wants Iran to give up all nuclear ambitions. Iran says these ambitions are only peaceful. Nobody believes that Iran is not involved in uranium enrichment that will ultimately result in the 2nd country to possess an Islam Bomb (Pakistan being the other). The war is well underway. Israel has bombed targets in Iran before suspected of nuclear ambitions, at Osiris I believe, and the US/Israel have engaged in cyber-warfare to destroy centrifuges. Israel has threatened to bomb the suspected sites unilaterally once again but has not done so mainly due to US diplomatic pressure exerted to allow sanctions to work. These sanctions are very severe. The world financial community has even pulled Iran's SWIFT code. This does not allow them to transfer money bank-to-bank anywhere in the world. The latest development is that Iranian-backed militants blew up a bus full of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria yesterday, killing seven and wounding more than a score others. A week or so ago the US engaged in nuclear saber-rattling. This all looks very dark. There aren't many bluffs left for the West/israel to play if they get no deal from Iran. Syria is about to fall. The Middle East is in turmoil. I know I'm only getting bits and pieces of this story. Ominous. Biblical. Don't think we'll have to wait for the end of the Mayan calender for this to play out.
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    The Greens just held their nominating convention last weekend. This group along with the Libertarians have been the most organized and long-standing political entities trying to mount a challenge to the current political paradigm. The Libs has some success this year and they had a number of delegates pledged to Ron Paul to go to the nominating convention with and make some noise. In Massachusetts those delegates had supplanted some long-standing Republicans who were not going to be able to attend. Invoking some made-up rule the Repubs. stripped those delegates of their credential because they had "failed to deliver in time an affidavit swearing, under the penalty of perjury, that they would support Mitt Romney’s nomination for president." My point here is that whenever a third party makes a challenge the Dems or Repubs flex their muscles and throw them out. Jon Stewart made a point of spotlighting how the press ignored Ron Paul. There are so many institutions that marginalize third party candidates that it would seem to be impossible for one to break through. Then there is the argument that Ralph Nader's independent run for the White House only allowed Bush to beat Al Gore in 2000. He got 2% of the vote but the election was so close it is hard to deny the logic of it. Even though it really only becomes true when the election ends up being that close. The point of all this is to say we have the illusion of voting for who rules us. In fact, it takes such a huge amount of money to run a campaign and qualify for the ballot in all 50 states that there really is no way a third party that is not in the "Big Money" circle can mount a serious challenge. It's despicable, And the people who deny this reality are silly and stupid. I liked Johnman when he was on this thread but he was one of those people who really believe we have meaningful choices within the system. It's such a joke. I hate to vent without having anything new or creative to offer up but I just don't see a set of circumstances that would allow a charismatic leader to rise up and be elected by hordes of followers. The powers that be would be calling him/her the anti-christ, among other things.
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    ...but we're too strung out to achieve that kind of function. In his Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right, Karl Marx notes that "Religion is the opium of the people (Die Religion... ist das Opium des Volkes)." Marx' statement rings true to me, only what's changed now is that we worship at the altar of commerce much more than we did in Marx' time. At this point, I'd say it's highly unlikely that the People will ever take back the power because we've become dependent on the system to which we've ceded our authority; it'd be like a junkie trying to get clean by killing his or her dealer.
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    and I think it's incredibly pathetic that it has to be us." - Jerry Garcia "Representative" democracy creates consolidation of political power, and that creates the financial equivalent of mechanical advantage. So called "special interests" buy legislators votes for backing the proposed legislation that their own staffers write which is designed to enhance their own market position and presence. And it only works because it's economically viable to make it happen. Remember, with these special interests, the bottom line is always dollars, specifically the Net Present Value of those dollars. For those of you not familiar with the term, NPV is math, not philosophy. It's nothing more than a calculation. It's the Lowest Common Denominator for how MBA types look at the universe. The founding fathers had a pretty good idea, although I suspect they would scarcely recognize what it's turned into. I won't pretend to speak for them, but I have a strong inkling given their contemporaneous writings that they would be appalled by what has evolved as the Legislative branch. I choose to believe they opted for the representative model rather than the Athenian model of strict pluracracy to address the the inherent latency in communications extant in their time. That latency no longer exists. I believe that the next phase of the American Revolution should be focused on this issue in particular. I may be naive, but I'm prepared to have some faith in the rank and file population to choose to do the Right Things, and eschew the Wrong Things, like war in support of enhanced corporate profits marketed under the banner of Patriotism. It's high time people started pointing out that that particular emperor has no clothes. It is economically unviable to buy off a majority of a national direct electorate. Problem solved in the only terms these types understand and respect. Our government here in the USA has long since stopped fearing its citizens, and that's the first thing that has to change. We The People are supposed to be the Boss, and it's high time we started acting not only like we understood that, but that we actually meant it.
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    It is so very hard to be interested in anything that comes out of either candidate's mouth these days. You just want to scream "Give me fresh air!" Nobody is talking about anything remotely interesting and the debate is so very carefully framed. The level of discussion has fallen to such a low point that it takes barely a sentence from the moderator's mouth before the two sides go at it tooth and nail. This has turned everybody off to such a degree that nobody wants to discuss it. And I don't blame anybody for that attitude, At the midpoint of summer the campaign still appears to be a close contest if it were based on the popular vote. Unfortunately, under our arcane system, it is the electoral college, the elite 535 (435 Reps. & 100 Senators) that actually determine the next ruler. This gives greater weight to the more populated states. Representatives are apportioned per 500,000 people, Given this system, the managers of campaigns split the country into sure win, sure lose and those states that have a chance to go either way. In the 12 swing states this year Obama has a healthy lead in the majority of them and the undertone of the campaign is a heady optimism on the side of the Obamites and general hand-wringing on the part of the Romulans. While it appears that Romney has only a very slight chance of winning the election Obama would be well advised to read the lyrics of Uncle John's Band: "When life looks like easy street there is danger at your door". Current events can undo the most carefully laid plans and it certainly is a minefield out there. Negativity rules the day. Why it is human nature to respond to negativity rather than ignore it and pay attention to positivity is beyond me. I think people feel so unempowered and disenfranchised by the current system where there are two parties for the rich and corporate elite. The only debate among them is how much alms to give to the poor. It is really outrageous that our "republican' form of "democracy" has come to this. And a sad joke for the rest of the world churning in our wake. Will I vote this year? No, because the state I live in makes it a certainty that it doesn't matter. If I had a chance to vote in a critical swing state would I? Yes, because I believe I am my brother's keeper and I want more alms to go to the poor. It is sadly reduced to this. I wish I had choices that made more of a difference. I think the common people picking their own leaders has always been an elaborate hoax,
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    anyway
    I hope they got the rest of it on good video.
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    pretty nice girl
    that she is!
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    Talk about yer buzzkill!
    Officious dweebs like that should be chained to the front of the "It's a small world after all" exhibit at the Disney park least convenient to them for a week. And then billed for the airfare, transfers and entrance fees required. You'd think Sir Paulie could have requested Special Dispensation from his pal Her Majesty...
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Nuclear power! Carcinogenic cell phones! The Stanley Cup! and the usual parade of kids dancing and shaking their bones, politicians throwing stones, etc. Discuss.

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nah! not at all!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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knotty?....HA!!....Yek ek ek ek ek ek ek...(Popeye laugh)
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Some kind of time warp here, but what the heck. John Man informs me that one of Genghis Khan's greatest military victories was ...wait for it.. The Battle of Badger's Mouth!! Mrs Badger would also consider this a great victory if the outcome would be that Badger's Mouth was shut once in a while. and Gr8ful Ted..that ABB benefit show was fantastic wasn't it? I just got an aud of it. OK back to the depressing news
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I never said anything of the sort....you keep posting, you badger, you...where would you get that idea??
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are you reading Gengis Khan: Life, death, and resurrection?....published in 2005?
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Even through our collective karma everything is going to hell in a bucket,You can choose to ignore it all and free your mind instead.
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Fabulous, just fabulous. What started in the 12th century as a papal guard for Christian pilgrims has been adopted by this nut job to repel Islamic invaders to Europe who may make it to 7% of Europe's population by 2020. The Knights Templar were disbanded in the 13th century, but the remnants purportedly became bankers. More fabulous? There may be other nut jobs who wield the shield with the red cross in Europe. ~ I hold the carrion crow. Bow and bend to me. ~ (Mountains of the Moon
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Did you mean the Red Cross? that profit making, lamentable, greedy, distorted sinner of a "charity"? We'll sell arms; good for a couple nickels, but wait, cloaking ourselves in another guise is way more profitable. There's some wonderful, compassionate, selfless, hardworking ladies and gentleman working for them, but avoid like the plague, people. Do not give any money to these crooks. Chuck it into the nearest black hole instead; same result but at least your conscience will be cleaner. Haiti? Japan? to name but deux? yeah, thanks guys. thanks a lot.
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That's right folks, we'll be watching pro football before you know it! The lock-out is over and teams are scrambling to sign free agents. Word has it Johnman may be a walk-on for the Seahawks, as QB Matt Hasselbeck has flown off elsewhere. Or did he retire? Meanwhile in Washington, D.C. (Dysfunctional Congress), compromising minds have developed a proposal to cut spending, keep the wealthy from paying more taxes, and allowing President Obama to skate through the next election without micro-managing another debt ceiling situation. Before we cut the cake and eat it, i believe it still has to be voted upon in both the Senate and the House: Tea-party folks may through a left-handed monkey wrench into the gears of progress?
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If Ochosinko (I can't spell) stays on the straight and narrow I see another Pats superbowl next February. No team ever thought the strike wouldn't be settled.
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New England picked up Albert Haynesworth? What kinds shape is Brady in? I see the Colts threw 90 million bucks at Peyton....
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Ohhh boy, they settled. Purportedly the compromise is:Raise the debt ceiling 2.7 trillion No new taxes (Eat the rich!!!!) A bi-partisan committee to cut 2.7 trillion, with a straight up or down vote required. This seems to bypass a provision that IF they can't agree on cuts then 2.7 trillion comes 50% from Medicare, 50% from the military. IT WAS, as I warned long ago, the Tea Party freshman in Congress who totally blew this discussion up. They went to Washington and didn't care if they were one termers and couldn't be bought by pork. I think Jim Boehner (Speaker) got told "Fuck You" in private meetings quite a bit by these folks in the last two weeks. ~ Burning down the house! ~ (I love it)
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Chad Johnson. Yeah, I can't spell his name either. If the Patriot mindset clicks with Haynesworth and him, the Pats do look good for the season. The organization has a way locking in that team-first thing, we'll see if works with these two guys. And they both can see what happened when Randy Moss started to revert to his old me-first ways...
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Pro sports to go on a serious downward slide. Spread the wealth (literally) a bit.. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Is this Jerry"s birthday today? August 1st? And yeah, the Powers That Be weren't going to let the football season die. Too much money lost and too much angst created in places with nothing to do but watch football all winter.
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Are we going to go through all this again next year? In an election year? YAY...
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YEAH it's Jerry's birthday!!!! no idea 'bout the football shit; although i was gripped and hook, lined and sinkered as a whippersnapper when that sport was shown on prime time for the first time here in ol' Britain; toss up between Redskins and Dolphins, with a dash of tabasco-type 49er fruitiness; Montana and Marino my idols; caps and shirts brought back from US excursions from my dear ol' Dad. jumpin on the bed in a huddle and touchdown frenzy til' the youthful energy gave out in the late hours. happy days. damn i wanted to BE them!
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And there is no imminent strike, AND his team are the German Champions! LOL out of maybe 12 teams in the whole country!********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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Happy birthday Jerry! Hope your learning to jam with that guitar in the new incarnation!Lookin' forward to that day when... ~ The candyman's back in town ~
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Lookin' forward to that day when........ maybe you can answer my private message lamagonzo!!!!! not sure if you got it i guess; sent on the 22nd July. Guess you're still alive considering the post yesterday and all. Maybe haven't checked, maybe inundated with thousands, maybe choosing to ignore! Of course, if it was the last one, then i'm not going to know as you'll ignore this too, ha ha!!!
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Will do in a few hours. Will post in "Spirituality" thread as you suggest.
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Done. I sent you 3 PMs but every time got thrown off the site so don't know if you got them.
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The Tea Party screwed themselves, their kids and their kids kids. Unless you're making 250,000 or more or are working in the underground economy (good luck with health care and the nursing home) you just got screwed with less services by this deal. AND more taxes down the road. Washington DC needs to see reality. People are hurting, I'm seeing people being arrested for shoplifting food. What a country!
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The main problem is that we in the West don't do anything about it when we are aggrieved, except the French who blockade everything.We tend to tut, tut then get back to whatever we where doing. The greatest problem is the public's inertia. No one can be bothered anymore, I was on strike for 14 months trying to fight of the closures of all our coal mines, then when I got back to work was sacked for being arretsd on the picket line and being fined £25, now that's democracy. We didn't stop the pits closing because we didn't get the backing we needed so thousands lost their jobs and mining villages where decimated and whole communities left with generations of unemployment. The powers that be no that today they can do what they want and still get back in albeit they may have to take turns in power but it's only a 5 year break! To saddle our children and grandchildren with the burden of debt which our generation created in a sin beyond belief. They will have to work longer pay more for everything and still be expected to pay for their own retirement on salaries which have probably bee taxed to the hilt! Politicians and senior bankers should be hanging their heads in shame. Oh and by the way sales of Porches UP 69%........go figure.
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In the good ole' USA 1% of the population owns 80% of the wealth. And more than a few of them pay NO taxes with loopholes and good CPAs. And you are right about people caring. Few can be carried away from their electrical devices at this point. In Britain you can register as a drug addict and get free needles and heroin even, if I'm not mistaken. Addiction to numb-ers and downers is encouraged. Nothing matters unless it hits you in the face or pocketbook. It's to the point where I carry a hammer in my car and if I see a jag or a beemer with a conservative bumper sticker in a parking lot.... I want the class war to start. I'm already preparing. I'm not saying all rich people are bad -- just that they can prove their worth by supporting good causes like yours, Riggs. The others need to be sent to "re-education" camps to recant anti-human, pro-corporate views. Yes, corporations provide jobs, but surely we can find a better way to charitably organize them. Corporations are not human beings, though more than a few human beings hide behind corporations. The SLA kidnapping Patty Hearst in '75 and demanding free food giveaways was not a good thing, but not far off the point. We just need a non-violent tweak. Give it a whirl and if people still want to ignore the problem? Then I guess that is why the framers of the Constitution of the US gave us the right to bear arms (2nd Amendment, I be.believe). ~ A true revolutionary is motivated by thoughts of love ~ (Che Guevara)
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Hey, where's my 911?... Yeah, riggsjr, that's the business to be in! When a recession hits, it's the rich market you wanna be involved with; ain't no slump in the high-end field. Either that or train as a hairdresser! Always gonna need 'em (unless you're blind or bald or both of course; if you can't drive and ya can't trim it's Big Issue time). The pit closures were a shameful part of British history; the workers and families knew exactly what government and the rich thought of them. Absolutely nothing. Disposable carcasses. And some of those villages and towns never recovered; not just regarding employment, but also their psychic geography. Bitterness and resentment passed down through the generations. And we definitely need a revolution (alright Citizen Smith, easy!!). It needs to be of the psychedelic and spiritual kind. Wholesome enlightenment. It's the only way we're ever going to change things on a radical scale. We've tried literature, we've tried philosophy; we've tried protests and demonstrations, we've exhausted the rational approach. Well-meaning logic and marches like pissing in the wind. The spiritual progress will come with entheogens and hallucinogens. Religion alone will not suffice; it requires dedication and appliance that many have neither the inclination nor mental ability to reach. It helps certainly, but we're still in the poop and it's getting deeper folks. Many are struggling to hold their head above it, other have drowned. If you don't perceive the poop as actually existing a large part of the problem is solved. We will never organise corporations more charitably (ever the optimist, jonapi!); it's just not in the beasts nature. Now transcending them works a treat! A bigger treat than a marron cream cake at 1.00 in the morning while the humid night of Yokohama never sleeps! Actually, i am pretty optimistic; but "traditional" methods have failed and are failing still. Open that third eye. Strangest of places of you look at it right? You betcha!
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...in Fullerton, Ca.. They were caught on video cameras. The people of Fullerton are calling for the cops to be prosecuted for murder. The mayor of Fullerton says it has become a lynch mob mentality. The cops have been placed on "Administrative Leave", still being paid. A lawyer hired by the cops says that the drifter was "resisting" and that the cops were not using excessive force even though the video shows the man begging for his father and for his life. How can death at the hands of 6 men not be considered excessive force? What possesses otherwise decent human beings to turn into animals and beat a man to death. It's not like LA is in a heat wave or the Santa Anna winds are blowing. I'm saying a prayer that justice be served in this case. If being poor is a crime than there is going to be mass slaughter in this country. I'm saying a prayer that justice be done in this case. ~ Taught me so well I left his dead ass there by the side of the road ~
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Sounds like another delightful example of humankind lamagonzo. At least this one was caught on camera. Unlike the many others i presume....Whoever he was, i too pray for another soul on the margins of society. They'll get justice one day when there turn comes. Speaking of justice, saw a wonderful piece on the news regarding sharia law in London, preached by silly little boys with beards, small penises and a truckload of low self-esteem. Amusing to watch these insecure fools indulging in free speech in a country that encourages it; where it is free to do so. Calling for Sharia Law (sounds a good name for a porn star; Burka Bangs 2 anyone?), manipulating confused teenagers into groups ready to implement this nonsense should it appear on "their" manor. Indulging in free speech unlike the type of countries that they cherish so highly. Spoilt little brats who wouldn't last five minutes in certain Middle Parts. Amazing to be so bold and full of vigour when the bombs aren't dropping in sunny London. Please do yourself a favour and fuck yourselves off elsewhere. Anywhere. Preferably where you can rejoice openly at the stoning of women, the repression of women, the killing of women, the persecution of people who do not espouse your horseshit, heretics and the unbelieving scum of the rest of the human race. We want many races and creeds in London; we want many people from countries all over the world; we want Japanese, Chinese, Afro-Carribean, Polish, Jewish, Islamist, Buddhist, Turkish, Indian, Tamil and extraterrestrial. We don't want you.
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6 American gold eagles have been killed in wind turbines in LA County. Since they are an endangered species, the County is afraid of being sued. Since I'm on record here as supporting wind turbines as a clean source of alternative energy production I am disheartened by this report, but still support wind turbines. Why?? Fish caught in the Connecticut River (dividing line between NH & VT) upstream 8 miles from Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant test positive for Strontium 90. Vermont Yankee denies this substance is coming from their plant. Yeah, right. They produce this poison as a by-product, but it must be the environmental tree-huggers catching the fish and injecting them with Strontium 90 to frame the nuclear power plant. Bottom line? wind turbines are better than nuclear residues. I've been through Coure D'elane, Idaho and have seen the eagles over the lake. It is their greatest breeding ground. They are majestic. I am sorry a few are being sliced & diced in the turbines but in the end a smaller price to pay than Strontium 90 in fish being caught and eaten by kids and other people.
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You should get in the face of those piss-ants and give them your opinion, Jonapi. Or ship their asses to Texas and let some out-of-work Afghan campaign warrior with PTSD not getting the proper medication from VA go psycho on their pathetic selves. Booyah Marine Recon! Here is a mission for you. Compassionately speaking, these are probably children who grew up in Madrassa schools in Pakistan, Afghanistan and have only heard the hateful preaching of Imams from the Wahabist sect (financed by Saudi Arabians, thank you very much). Like sex offenders, they can't help themselves. Why does Britain put up with that kind of hate speech?
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Well, we put up with it because we have the beauty of free speech here. I'm all for it! They're allowed their say too. Gotta have some rough with the smooth i guess.Unfortunately, they are not children who have grown up in those countries, they are indeed children of Britain. Which, compassionately speaking, ever the calm sound of reason lamagonzo, bless ya, we can understand their anger if we're being charitable. You are right to take a step back. They are based in London and wish to introduce Sharia Law to the community around them (some great interviews with English people on the street saying what THEY think!!!). But that is exactly what we're dealing with here; these people are no different to the BNP or neo-nazis. Low self-esteemed young anger which needs to be vented. They are identical. If they really cared about the community or society around them they would use their emotions productively; counselling youngsters, helping drug addicts, informing them that prostitution doesn't benefit anyone etc. etc. Part of what they want to enforce is No Music!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!! But like i said, easy to be brave when you're privileged; sitting in the confines of a reasonably safe London, these chickenshits would beg for their Mummies if they ever had to endure the regimes of some of those Muslim countries which enforce Shiteria Law. How about an attack with water pistols containing pork spray in retaliation to their silly nonsense?
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Heh heh! if it were those pesky Deadheads it would be LSD-25 surely?!!!!!Cosmic enlightenment AND a tasty meal? Yes please!!!!!!!!!! and no feeding them beer and cookies either, johnman!! oh, alright then, go on; maybe just a lil'......
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wif their long hair an' beads an' such......
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No great wonder then that the fish cain't find their way home....
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jonapiYou are so right about it being easy to be brave when there is no threat or retaliation to your opinions or actions. I remember my first visit to New York when my wife and I along with a couple of friends left our hotel on the first morning and got half way down the street to come across these 5 guys on a soap box expounding their beliefs at the top of their voices, one reading from the Koran and another 'translating the meaning of the words' and the other three acting as 'heavies'. After a period of time a guy at the back of the crowd shouted"go down to Alabama they love to hear that kind of stuff" to great laughter from the watching crowd. Funnily enough on my next two visits to NY these guys were nowhere to be seen. A more worrying impact of all that has happened in the U.K in the last few years is that I and many friends like me find ourselves being more and more racist. I don't mean in any violent sense but just a feeling of injustice and the feeling that the 'other side' are getting heard more and getting their own way all the time as people are frightened to speak up (or suffering from inertia).I don't like admitting these feelings but I think it is a way that society in general is going when people like myself who have never in over 50 years felt an inclining towards racism now have these felling, or is it just a sense of resentment and injustice? Anywho rant over once again.
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No, you're absolutely right riggsjr.I have those exact same feelings rising to the surface. Luckily i was brought up not to judge anybody, be it of race or sexuality or whatever. Just never entered my mind. But i think it just goes to show how the mind can be subtly influenced and manipulated when one is in a particular mood. It's not really the piece of news talking, it's just the general frustration. Unfortunately, we live in a society, especially one dominated by tabloid headlines and incoherent hypocritical ranting spewed by newspapers; shit-stirring news stations and self-obsessed do-gooders who act like butter wouldn't melt, that when someone quite rationally and logically says "if you don't like the laws here, then fuck off to somewhere where you do", you are immediately pounced on as being a racist or nationalist or another type of -ist. WRONG! Common sense is plain ol' common sense. If i moved to France and spent my entire time rubbishing the people, their customs and their laws then why the fuck move there? Even if i was born there and felt out of place, i know where the airports are. Buy a ticket. It seems like white people aren't allowed to make comments about other races even if it's true. Look at the various Black Pride and Black Power slogans and speeches. Now i want to make one thing perfectly clear here; i'm all fucking for it. When you've been oppressed for so long, damn right you can be proud of who you are; shove it RIGHT in the faces of whitey. I remember hearing Public Enemy's "IT Takes A Nation Of Millions..." album when it first came out and was overjoyed to hear them tearing a new arsehole out of white racists. I really identified with that anger and frustration that injustice brings. However, can you imagine someone starting a record company called White Power? White Pride? Jesus..... But it is easy to be led astray by such nonsense i suppose. Look at the MOBO awards (Music Of Black Origin); if everyone is equal, why go on about it? Why highlight the difference? But it is important to remember the thousands of others who go about their own business and are wonderful, tolerant people. But it's getting harder, you're right. What was great was reading the reply of Chris Robbins, the leader of Waltham Forest Council who said: "People should not get the wrong idea about our borough because a handful of small-minded idiots have decided to deface our streets with ridiculous posters". (Posters read 'You are entering a Sharia-controlled zone-Islamic rules enforced"). That insecure, low self-esteemed "preacher" Anjem Choudary has claimed responsibility. What a tremendous fucking cunt. If anyone should blow themselves up, it's him. Just what would happen if you smeared them with bacon? Does their life become even more meaningless than it already is? Surely, thats game over, isn't it? No 72 virgins if you smell of sausages bro.
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Both of your recent comments remind me of the message of the Norwegian bomber, who said he was trying to repel Muslims from the Euro-zone. If this message is coming through on a Deadhead thread from Europeans, then I think the sentiment must be very widespread. I don't see Tiger Lilly or Badger reporting from France or Germany on this topic. I would be interested in hearing their opinions too, should they wish to express them. The problem is: How do you preserve freedoms when religious zealots, not afraid of dying for their cause (a tiny minority of a minority)? The US has taken on mass inconvenience and the loss of some freedom plus the responsibility of extreme vigilance against terrorists. A few rogues have penetrated and done some terrorist activity and one moron organized by AQ tried to bring down an airliner but we have shielded ourselves from major catastrophes of terrorism, despite Tom Clancey's novels (this militarist actually wrote a book with the elements of the 9/11 plane hijackings before it happened, wouldn't be surprised if an extremist read it and sent it to OBL. Read his other books and you'll see lots of other ways terrorists might harm us, like cooperating with Mexican drug cartels). I'm actually in favor of free speech and freedom of religion. But I draw the line where it interferes with my freedoms. Shariah law is such an odious thing for me I had a knee-jerk reaction yesterday in my post, of which I'm not proud. We have the freedom to go wherever we want in our own countries. Personally, I stay the hell away from the deep South, which includes Texas, Oklahoma and Arizona. I choose not to be around zealots of all types. But fleeing doesn't answer your questions of privileges for minorities and how it takes away from the greater good. All I can tell you is that this is a question that a sizeable minority of Americans (at least 20%) still very vocally grapple with. But please don't ampify the voice of the Norwegian bomber, lest ye be commissioned Knights of the New Templar order.
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Remember, though, that we are talking about that tiny minority of extremists, no one else.I'm not saying they should go elsewhere, i'm asking the question "why don't they?". Why stay where you're unhappy? But lest my comments are deemed too aggressive by some, i would like to say that it's said with a sense of humour not hatred. These idiots are completely insignificant; totally irrelevant. The best way to treat them is as a joke. One thing an extremist in any walk of life cannot stand is being made fun of. And they supply us with copious amounts of material. Nothing will ever come from these posters or their silly wittering. I'm all for them having their freedom of speech. Totally stand behind them on that one. They can say what they like. By the way, i wonder if those guys in New York moved to the streets of Glasgow, riggsjr? The Answer: 12 seconds. The Question: How often are the police in Glasgow called out to deal with a pregnant women attacking a rottweiler with a sledgehammer? Be the last speech they ever made!
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Oh, and i totally agree with a great TEDx lecture given by John Barlow recently - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYpB1NzCO6g Freedom of speech is absolutely essential. The best to combat extreme or distressing views is not to censor and ban them but to counteract with positivity. It's our duty. And why not have a chuckle along the way?!
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been thinking about commenting with my 2 cents occasionally, but too intimidated by the tone going on lately, use of the c word etc etc. Keep on conversing, and I will keep reading, for now.********************************** I am not young enough to know everything. Oscar Wilde
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What the F... how dare you compare my comments to those of a Norwegian nutter who murdered 76 people.My point about racism was that if you feel constantly that the pendulum is swinging against you you may indeed start to feel a little xenophobic I did not say I was going to murder people or blow people up. Some facts My mother is in a Nursing Home with Alzheimersshe she and my late father both paid into the state system for 50 years she has to pay £2800 ($4300) every 4 weeks to live there because she had some savings. When her savings are all gone they will take her pension then pay the balance. If someone from Iraq, Iran or Saudi arrives in Britain they get housed Financial help (£250 per week for the father and additional sums for each dependant (my niece works with these people). They do not take the time to learn our language they don't want to live by our rules, they want to set up their own laws and whine about living here. Well my answer is let them FUCK OFF home, if that is racist then too bad. If your objective was to silence people like jonapi and I then you have succeeded as I will not be posting here again.
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there's a bit of a balance here. Sure, I could of course delete the account of anyone who annoys anyone else, and it would be pretty empty around here pretty fast. Alternatively, we could trot down the well-worn path to toxic cesspit that's happened on many another site by giving free rein to abusive jerks, but what with one thing and another, we've been fortunate in that regard. Generally speaking, Deadhead self-policing works admirably and sticking to it is highly preferable. (This is one reason the spammers are so annoying, they're not self-policing OR Deadheads.) With this in mind, and echoing TL's observation, I note in passing that it has been a long time since any female members of this community participated in any of the substantive conversations, and an emerging culture in which the c-word is acceptable might have something to do with it, although that's just one data point. Another is that while most of us are Americans, suddenly we've got a window on something we haven't seen too much of. So if the uncivil tone of the discourse is causing people not to participate, in a Dead forum, arguably it is what it is, but arguably it's a loss to the discourse, too, and that's too bad.
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...to the Riggs family. When my grandmother went into the nursing home at 82 years of age she had about $35,000 in savings. They took it all within a year. She lived in the nursing home (I found a better one for her while she was still paying cash) to 91. It was a very bad time in my life. I loved my grandmother more than anybody on Earth, she was a real Bodhisattva. I can't pretend to know what you are going through with your own family. I can only express my deepest sympathies and wish you the best.... Please know I wasn't accusing you of allying with the nutter. I apologize if I hurt your feelings. It was a comment on what is trending right now in the Euro-zone. Everybody is going through hard times and as someone said on the BBC this morning, we need to count our blessings and be glad we don't live in Ethiopia, Kenya or Somalia, where vultures and soldiers are stalking women and children till they drop. There was no need for the personal attack or walking away from this thread, .but do whatever you want to do....
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I think I need to paraphrase here...."can't we all just get along?"...I don't think anybody is intentionally insulting anybody in this site...least of all Gonzo. I gotta say that if that WAS the case, (comin' from Gonz, I mean) he would have called ME out LONG ago, and labeled me as a nut, considering my support (sometimes rabid) of the 2nd Amendment. But that ain't the case. We are all very accepting here, as it should be, and all have varying but similar opinions. C'mon back, jonapi...I've really enjoyed reading your posts.....cookies for all!!!
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riggsjr....I don't think Gonz meant anything near what ya thought he did....c'mon back maaan
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lamagonzo,Having taken a deep breath and read your post I feel I need to review my comments. It was not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings or indeed in the case of Tigerlily to stop people entering their own forum for fear of the tone of the debate. My original comments re racism were perhaps not put in print in the manner intended. I was trying to explain the FEELING of APPEARING racist when confronted with some of the "injustices' we see in our society were people who have never contributed to the 'common fund' come and take from it then decide they do not like our society and want to change it to something more like what they left behind. It just appears to me that if you voice these thoughts in any discussion these days you are looked at by certain people as being racist. I actually feel the same about this as those people who decide they are are not going to give to society but simply take any benefits from the community purse that they can. The whole idea of the Socialist state was to have funds for the common good in order that we did not see the very scenes we witness year after year in those unfortunate states like Ethiopia happening in this country. However certain people now see these benefits as a 'RIGHT' rather than a privilege including immigrants. This country would not have been so successful had it not been for the immigrant influx of the 60's bringing many talented people to ensure that our health service and many other industries were the envy of the world. However I feel,as do many others that we are seen as a 'soft touch' when it comes to providing free care for all comers. Finally I am appalled that I have been part of a thread that has caused that moderator to have to step in with comments showing how this particular post has gone down a very dangerous route. Can I just offer an apology to anyone I may have offended with the tone/language used in previous posts as it was certainly not my intention to cause anyone any discomfort or stress. This site and community is too important to me to jeopardize any relationships I have built up over my time on here, I wish everyone peace and hope that the conversations we have in the future may take place after the deep breath and not before.
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Yes, after the deep breath. To all, I am taking two weeks off from posting in this thread. The Dog Days of August have hit hard on this site for many reasons (The Days Between) etc.. I'll be back, just need to clear my head and create space for new voices on this thread.