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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #341
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    Agree w/ Daverock (and others)

    ... but it always seemed obvious to me, I am not surprised. I am ok with this pick. My wow factor is between 68 through 74. ..but I enjoy hot shows from all years and eras. I am familiar with these shows, I love their mid to late 80's take on Desolation Row for example, it's got a Dew, a Cumberland. We can't be surprised to see these shows get released.

    What I do find surprising is where it is in the rotation and on the biggest subscription year so far. The marketing part of my mind thinks this will affect their ability to so gracefully hit the 22k mark next year, time will tell. I would go so far to say they probably could have done a better job mixing things up the last 9 years and could have done a better job mixing it up this year too. As unpredictability affects the stock market, it might just affect their subscription market. Finally, I really hope (wish) that if they are going to release more of these cassette masters that they do a little better job remastering them. #35 sounded 'pretty good' but I have to believe the more qualified (and considerate) posters here that warned it was not quite pitch corrected. I wonder out loud if there are issues with other aspects of the cleanup and restoration efforts in these years (dolby vs not etc).

    Not a rant.. I am ok with this release just curious to the timing, etc. Did someone mention 12/18/1973? (hehe)

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    last release of the year

    I might be reading this wrong, but i don't think it's fair to suggest Dave chooses potentially undesirable shows once people have paid their money. In fact he released some pretty amazing shows for the 3rd and 4th picks of the year:

    #32 - March 1973
    #31 - Dec 1979
    #28 - June 1976
    #27 - Sept 1983
    #24 - Aug 1972
    #23 - Jan 1978
    #20 - Dec 1981
    #19 - Jan 1970
    #16 - March 1973
    #15 - April 1978
    #12 - Nov 1977
    #11 - Nov 1972
    #8 - Nov 1980
    #7 - Apr 1978
    #4 - Sept 76
    #3 - Oct 1971

    Again, i might be missing the point, but while this year is different in that there are back to back 80s releases, historically the 3rd and 4th picks of the year include some pretty amazing shows spanning the dead's history.

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    If a 1987 show is to be the release for this episode of Dave's Picks, why didn't he choose the two nights BEFORE this, from Hampton? Great Googly-Moogly, the 03/24/1987 show has the most off-the-hook Terrapin EVER! If there was going to be a 1987 show released by this series, I was really hoping it would be this Hampton Show. I was there, that Terrapin had the entire crowd pushed to the back of the Coliseum like those old Maxell ads showing the music blowing the guy in the chair back.

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    Manipulative?

    Daverock, do you feel that you have been taken advantage of?

    I agree with your suggestion, Dave should pick a 1991 show for DaP 37 and announce it when early bird subscriptions start, and not announce what DaP 38 and the bonus disc are until April when it is ready to go on sale.

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    It's always open to debate when you judge someone's motives on the basis on their actions. In this case, the honourable thing for Dave Lemieux to do would be to release two shows from the 1979-1995 timespan to open the season on Dave's Picks 2021. That would be an open demonstration that he genuinely believes shows from this era are as valid as the ones preceding it. If he goes back to 1969-1974, then...
    Announcing all four shows to be released would be a bonus-but again, I think the reason this isn't done is because they are fearful that subscription numbers would drop if people knew what they would be shelling out for.
    As I have said before-the 1960s are shockingly underrepresented in this series. Many unreleased great shows there, I would have thought.

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    Count me in as skeptical. This release seems like Dave’s gift to himself. I saw six shows of this tour, including the first night of Hartford. None of them were overly memorable. More like a few highlights here and there. Have not listened to any of that tour since seeing the shows. If I recall, 3/26 had a cool Midnight Hour/Cold Rain opener, a nice Birdsong and a high energy China/Rider.

    Dave has done a superb job, but the supply of quality shows is certainly dwindling. I will give the subscription one more year and then likely revert to a la carte.

    Seattle Kraken - not a huge fan of the name, but the jersey design is tremendous. They really look nice. By the way, congrats to the Lightning. Way to go Jon. You are a first class guy.

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    87?

    Weird, i usually get the emails but apparently missed this one (better check that i'm still on their list).

    If the next Dave's is indeed from 1987 i think that's cool. The boys were really energized in 87 and a quick glance at those set lists makes me pretty excited to hear it (must admit i'm unfamiliar with those shows).

    Dave has always advertised that this series will represent every era of the band. It just took some time to ramp up the Brent era picks. There is some risk subscribing to a series where you only know 50% of the releases in advance. Some people hope and pray for no 80s shows, while others would like some variety from the usual 70s shows (no matter how great they are). After 36 picks i think it's safe to say there is something for everyone.

    They are certainly making enough of these now where you can choose not to subscribe and still have a great shot at getting the releases you want (as long as you don't care about the annual bonus disc).

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    Jerry's comeback after the coma was one of the best stories of the 30 year run of the Dead. I feel for the people that don't like their music past (pick your year). Bob Weir considers the late eighties through Brent's passing some of the best playing they ever had, but what does he know??
    #32 was from the Spectrum 3/24/1973. Oh and a great show.

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    Daverock, I hope you are wrong about this. I think it is too early to tell, however, to support your theory, one of the last two releases from last year was from December '79 and all '80s releases have come in the second half of the year which suggests that indeed the potentially problematic releases are being released in the second half of the year, when nobody knows in advance what those releases will be. By problematic, I mean releases that were recorded on cassette tapes where the sound quality is barely acceptable or where Jerry's voice is so shot that it makes one cringe. We know that most of the top notch shows have already been released and it seems reasonable to assume that the great shows that are still to be released will come out in the first half of the year. It also seems reasonable to assume that this is due to the marketing policy of the Rhino bean counters. The bottom line is that Rhino are just another commercial enterprise and as such, making as much money as possible is the reason for their existence. Call me cynical if you like, but my cynicism comes from age and experience. Grumpy old men rule!

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    Mr Heartbreaker- spot on

    Your last post sums up how I feel about this release pretty well. 1987 after 1984 is taking the proverbial. The fact that Dave's Picks 37-and 38, for that matter-will quite likely be from stellar years underlines to me how manipulative this series has become. I feel like stopping subscribing - but then it wouldn't surprise me if 37 and 38 are from 1972 or 1969-with a bonus disc chucked with one of them. This will clearly be an attempt to keep people like me subscribing, and buying shows that they otherwise wouldn't buy. A la carte seems the way to go. I gave up smoking, so surely I can give up subscribing.

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Thu, 08/06/2020 - 19:47

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I heard that the next Dave's 36 comes with a free bowl of soup.

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Submitted by LedDed on Thu, 08/06/2020 - 19:57

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I love this release. I was not expecting to, my groove generally hovering around 1971-1970 whatever, but this is good. You can hear all the drugs and bad living creeping into Jerry's increasingly croaky, dry voice, but he isn't yet the post-coma old man/uncle we'd all know and love forever after.

No, this was a ship sailing through calm waters before that storm as well as the ones that came after. Garcia the Head, with the longer hair, beard dandruff on the black T-shirt and stinking. But still, somehow, a messiah on stage.

Go figure.

I have never brought politics onto this board. Most everything else but not that, as it seems obvious. But, hell, a little blood in the water never hurt anyone. Like taking a broad to a strip club, or a fight. Ever watch a woman watch a boxing match, in person? My God. Take her back to the hotel room after and she'll tear you apart.

For the purists, back to the music, this is very "liquidy". Jerry wanks a bit with no real beginning or end to some of his solos, what he's saying conversationally lacks the eloquence and plot he'd lost in the few years preceding, due to massive cocaine and Persian use, but hey, who am I to judge?

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 08/06/2020 - 20:42

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If I put crackers in the soup does it count as a meal?

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Submitted by carlo13 on Thu, 08/06/2020 - 21:32

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Only at mendy's.

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 03:26

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I haven't got Dave's Picks 35 yet, but yesterday I got the Complete Funhouse Sessions by Iggy and The Stooges. Its the 7cd box, second hand from France. At the moment it is in quarantine in the next room, where it is quietly pulsing with energy. Its always was a dangerous sounding album, and if you handle this box incautiously now it could kill you.

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 06:21

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No, not DaP #35. Garcialive 14 and the bonus disc have dropped through the letterbox. That’s 21 days from the initial notice of dispatch or 14 days since the package actually started to move. Even better there were no import charges because it was so cheap. I’ll listen to them in a couple of days.

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Submitted by estimated-eyes on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 06:37

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Oro, we do Amazon Prime, so not sure of the particulars. I believe it starts as UPS delivery, but ends with Amazon delivery person at point of delivery. The Amazon folks are making daily deliveries to our house and our neighbors. While I would like to support dead.net for all product, I always buy the mass market items from Amazon-- always cheaper and free, reliable shipping (used to be 2-day, now it is next day).

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 07:06

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I see that there is a story in the news today, , that leaders in both parties Rep & Dem are trying to get the postmaster General to get rid of the operational changes that have slowed down the mail.

Deadtony
I'm in identical boat. UPS says it was transferred to USPS. USPS did not get it.
I called dead.net. that was adventure! She just kept talking in circles saying I should get tracking number by Monday to Wednesday after release date. I pointed out twice that it was now Thursday after release date. She repeated tbe same thing to me like she was reading from a script. I finally asked how long I would have to wait before calling again without getting this answer because I'm pretty sure package got lost. She finally broke script and said call back one werk from yesterday.
So there's at least hope I will eventually get some kind of customer service.
Some form of screw up like this happens at least once a year with my subscription. So far they have always made it right. I hope they have backup copies for those of us who are/got lost in the ether.

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Submitted by DCBoater on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 08:06

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So, I was saving DaP 33 for a “rainy day“ and I opened it up this morning. To my surprise, my copy has two Disc 3s and no Disc 1. Did this happen to anyone else? Does anyone know if GDM can make it right? I’m really liking Disc 3, but I’d really rather have the first disc to complete the show. Thanks!!!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 08:43

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... and STILL no shipping order, so I can't even look up a tracking number to see if it has arrived in my area. This thing was "released" a week ago today.

I am not sure what is going on with USPS, but NO ONE in the city of Baltimore got their mail yesterday. That is plain crazy to me.

"No matter rain, nor snow, nor sleet, nor - oh wait... Pandemic, massive budget cuts, mismanagement? Yeah, those things will stop the mail."

Ugh... I am leaving for a long road trip on Sunday morning... I really hope I can listen to DaP35 on the drive.

Peace

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Submitted by Byrd on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 09:30

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...now let's go out and sing.

Bad for even a bad night. Another Wheel running on a flat tire.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 09:31

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After some investigative work our post master has an image of our 35 package and for whatever reason deadnet changed our address/info (didn’t include the X + box number) so that is why the PO sent it back.
We’ve noticed this has become a trend with other sellers recently: changing our shipping information from what we have listed, and always used via PO instructions, so that more and more of our things are getting sent back! Why? Why all of a sudden is this happening? And again, don’t mean to beat a dead horse but why the hell cant WE, the costumer, remember when the customer was always right, why can’t WE determine our shipping method?? Ya know, the good ole days when shit made sense, my God I sound more and more like my poor deceased mother! LOL

So yeah, hey PTB, GIVE US SHIPPING OPTIONS!
Oh, sorry I’m “whining” again...just thought folks with similar circumstances might find this informative...

EDIT: lest the trolls think I’m being “angry” ??? A big shout out to super Mary and the crack investigative crew at dead/rhino who are on it and trying to rectify this unfortunate situation. THANK YOU ALL, thanks to Dave, thanks to the folks who risk their life at the PO, thanks to the brave folks who ship, and work at the warehouse, and the super market, and the weed store, and the beer store, and bless Tiny Tim too! Hopefully I’ve covered everyone and checked all the PC boxes cause I’d hate to insult or upset anyone!
Where ever he goes the people all complain...wonder if St Stephen name is taken, if not I should change...

DBL EDIT: thanks Vguy, miss your awesome jokes, we need more laughter, “does anyone remember laughter”

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 09:43

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Yes.. give us or Dave's Picks.

Neither rain nor snow, how does that go?

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 09:58

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I know why things are getting goofy....because super Mary stopped hand delivering them individually on her magic Schwinn bicycle! LOL Poor girl has to do everything around here!

LOL, reminds me of this commercial. You hockey nuts might remember this one!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GFaP4vp-5Xc

EDIT: Jim, I think it’s neither rain or snow or political corruption....

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Submitted by PA Spaceman on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 11:14

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I gotta say I am a little disappointed in this release. Pitch is off. It's slowed down. I haven't checked yet so I don't know if all songs are off, but the few I have checked are. Still glad to have it because I was at this show, but man...can't get the speed correct?

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Submitted by RobbZ on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 11:36

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Thanks for the chuckle Oro.....LOL.....Yep, remember it well. Wait, are we still allowed to say "hot girls"?

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Submitted by simonrob on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 12:38

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Was that an orange dog story?

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Submitted by nitecat on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 13:02

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So far listened through Fire. I'll have to listen again, but my experience was the band didn't take off in the first set until the Let it Grow. Jerry really wailed on that. That was my frequent experience at the shows, the band often took a while to warm up in the first set. Jer continued with scorching solos on Fire. His voice is really craggy, maybe he had a cold that night, but he could still play with fire.

I have no problem with the bonus tracks, even when they are out of order on the second and third discs. Heck, that's practically a whole second set from the previous night as bonus material! I'm all in on that.

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Submitted by deadtony on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 14:26

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Yup..no updates on this end..I pm'd Marye who said she would pass the info on to Doc Rhino..she's seems like a great gal BTW..I did get an email from dead.net last night, all it did was provide me with the same tracking info I have and had given to Marye.. So idk..I also got an email from USPS..as I opened an inquiry there to see what might have happened to it..just got the standard we will look into response...SIGH...all I can do is give it a couple days I guess.. Then try calling dead.net like you did. Hope they made some back up copies..

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 15:00

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....this is not a drill.
On a positive note, Daves out for delivery. Thats about all I got.
I didn't ask to be named senator, but if the shoe fits.

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Submitted by jamgol on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 15:23

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ups says my pkg was accepted at my local post office on 8/3. today is 8/7 and still nothin. arghhh. nothing left to do but wait. i emailed dead customer service but deadtony's story is exactly mine as well. fingers crossed we all get delivery soon. peace all

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 15:53

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Add this to your needs: Black Sabbath "Paranoid" 50th Anniversary on 5 LPs now available for preorder from Rhino.
My original copy was STOLEN, so I have an excuse.

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Submitted by RobbZ on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 16:38

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On my second listen, and I got to say I like I it...Sound quality is excellent...Cumberland, Wharf Rat, Terrapin, China-Rider, what's not to like? Somebody mentioned the pitch is off, and it seemed slowed down, but I don't hear it.....

Thirty-five Dave's Picks and I've yet to be disappointed....keep em coming!

Now if we could just get that 80's Ventura/Frost/Greek Box Set by the end of the year.....am I right Billy the Kid??

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 19:19

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... I listened to the first disc repeatedly all afternoon with a grateful grin, I believe it may have taken a few numbers to get warmed up but I don’t really think it was from “let it Grow” onward. I really dig the “Cumberland blues, ‘little red rooster”, my brother assume” & it must of been the Roses is pretty primo for my taste. I do wish Brent was a bit more upfront in his keyboards and vocals, but this is 1984 , not spring 90 Brent or the other band members as well. But it’s a pretty grateful performance for the spring of 84’ !
My biggest disappointment came with the ‘sugar magnolia’ performance! Not one of their better versions, I some points , I start making weird faces listening to this take! I love the Morning Dew though, Jerry is in fine voice and playing guitar!!! 🙏❤️💀🌹

Love dat sheet, one of my favorite first sets ever!

7/14/85...not familiar....must go there!

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Submitted by nappyrags on Fri, 08/07/2020 - 23:45

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...including 35 which I've listened to twice so far...

1) Thelonious Monk - Misterioso
2) Boss Of The Blues: Big Joe Turner Sings Kansas City Jazz
3) Chuck Berry - After School Session
4) Santana III Deluxe Edition Disc 2 live at Fillmore West
5) DaP 35....

Damn captchas are back!!!!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 05:46

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In all of the years as a subscriber (since the get go,) and with all of the box-sets and other releases I have ordered, I have yet to have any issue. Of course, I have never been expecting to receive a release 6-months deep into a world-wide pandemic. It does bother me that my friend who lives just over a mile away (albeit in a different ZIP) received his on Tuesday.

Oh well. Hopefully it will come unannounced today, or it will be waiting for me on Friday when I get back from my trip.

Peace

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 05:54

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...since it was sent from the Mother Ship. I'm thinking all good things in all good time. I have a sneaking suspicion it's getting closer (to my home). Stay well, all and have a grateful day!

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Submitted by statman on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 07:10

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Just got back from vacation and missed this whole release of 4/19, 4/20
83, 84, 85 I went to many shows. Did this whole spring tour. I have thought for years how underrated the pre-coma years have been. Always loved 4/20/84 and wondered why there have been very few vault releases from this era. Great news!!!

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Submitted by JeffSmith on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 07:24

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Today's tracking report: "08/08/2020 8:47 A.M., San Antonio, TX, United States. Package routed to wrong post office. Package will be transferred to correct post office for delivery." Pretty nutty. My Dave's was only 2.5 hours away in Midland this past Wednesday (San Antonio's almost 7 hours away). Cut hours & staff, increase volume, overlay with a pandemic, and, voilà!
Lessee. . . I'm one of the few Texans who can vote by mail if I so choose. Hmmmmm. . .

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Submitted by KRIYAS on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 07:35

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twilight zone shipping hoped for yesterday, but tracking updated today and was in box this morning in Ohio. Just starting...not sure the time dif but looks like all the filler tracks could've been just added to the end? oh well (PGFM) its all here and its all grate...

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 07:50

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For those who haven’t spent all their money yet. These two boxes are due out in September.

Fleetwood Mac 1969 - 1974
Hard Luck Stories 1972 - 1982 - Richard and Linda Thompson

Big Brownie - that speaks to my condition. I got the cd box a few years ago which I think has all the same music on as this vinyl box. So I'll probably pass this by. See how much it costs, anyway...One of the first albums I ever bought back in 1972.

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Submitted by BrooklynTim on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 08:04

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Band is on fire, Love the mid 80's influence on Brent and the group's sound. Jerry's guitar work is amazing but his singing is unfortunately pretty shot here, as rough as i've ever heard him. I'm not sure i can move past this for future listenings. Bummer as I was really looking forward to this.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 10:51

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* Grateful Dead
08/01/1973
Roosevelt Stadium
Jersey City, NJ

Dark Star ...
El Paso ...
Eyes Of The World ...
Morning Dew
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xzRPTlfVodw&fbclid=IwAR0sb4ks-IAEWVn0Omg2…

Dark Star through Morning Dew is from a crisp SBD remastered by David Gans:

Soundboard ... 7.5ips Master Reel ... Cassette ... 20 bit A/D ... CDR

* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xzRPTlfVodw&fbclid=IwAR0sb4ks-IAEWVn0Omg2…🙏❤️💀🌹

***** Grateful Dead - 8/01/73 - Dark Star _ El Paso _ Eyes of the World _ Morning Dew!
*** This is some amazing primo Grateful Dead Music, enjoy everyone, have a grateful day everyone! 🙏❤️💀🌹

I hear ya'; thought Jerry's voice on Scarlet was just about the worst I heard him, really depressing; that was enough for me to skip that release, even though the playing's hot(pitch being off is another bummer, you'd think they could get that right.) Glad others are enjoying it though. I can't get past 67-82.

As always, it's a matter of opinion; for me Comes a Time, for example, has to have both good vocals and great guitar. I just can't deal with Jerry's ravaged 84/85 voice, he did improve post 87.
Although according to Fat Freddie, a great guitar solo will get you through times of bad vocals, better than great vocals will get you through times of a bad guitar solo. Enjoy 35!

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 13:45

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For those hanging in there, good luck. I hope it arrives post haste for y'all. I am ripping now and enjoying the gratuitous 4/20 pick, regardless of the typo on the back! Stay healthy all! :-)

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Submitted by daverock on Sat, 08/08/2020 - 14:03

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Cousins - I am impressed that you can get up to 82! I am looking forward to this release, though. I'm currently going through the summer 71 shows I have, and they are red hot. I know its wrong to compare, but if this new Pick arrives any time soon-maybe I'd best just finish the 71, have a Dead break, and then start with a clean slate with DaP 35.

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