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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • JimInMD
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    You are kind soul.. I appreciate all you provide here. Same goes to Oro. I think it would take a face to face to catch me up on all the technology (old or new) that the two of you bring for me to truly understand. As for old.. and I am sure you both know.. in either late 73 or early 74 (I think 73).. the GD got into a scuffle with DOD over equipment they were ordering that was desperately needed for national security. Apparently, the Macintosh amps they were buying in unprecedented numbers were needed both in general and more specifically by special, top secret subs that needed the clean sound and amplification to either detect enemy interference or better hear and make stealth the noise they were making. So they called the GD and tried to work out a way to either stall, postpone or barter a purchasing arrangement that would not jeopardize national security.

    I think this is well known, and I apologize in advance for going on memory and surely confusing some of the information listed above as fact. ..but what is written is pretty close, if someone can clarify and correct it would not offend me in the least.

    Hope I didn't write anything that was incorrect or in any way interpreted as insulting or offensive.

    As for chainsaws and sawzaws to clear way for our living room WOS.. what could possibly be more fun.

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    Ah the sounds of my earliest fun dentist. "You dont need no gas!"

    All my stereo stuff is old, always fussy. Running all old Yamaha into JBL (plus svs). Trying to get stuff cleaned and parts replaced. When it is on, it is quite the stereo indeed. I have an old yamaha eq that I hooked up when Dave's first show was released. Goes into Pre amp, then to a yamaha mx-830. The MX-830 is powering 4 jbl g300's and 2 jbl LX 600's. Running 6 speakers means the amp is running at 550 watts at 2 ohms. It cooks. The speakers all have same tweeters and mid ranges. The 300s run 8" woofers and the 600s have 10 inch woofers. It is old but as you say "in budget." Smile.

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    Then the svs has a 550 watt continous, 850 watt peak sledge. The svs I picked up a few years back for $399. I had to have a sub with an internal crossover. So out of preamp to svs (rca cables), then back into the preamp, then to amp. Having old yamaha means older connection points. Modern amps control the crossover themself and pump sub out already crossed over. I happen to run my internal sub amp at a cutoff of 82 hz. George Lucas uses 80 hz crossover in his THX sound systems. So I am slightly above that. I did some sampling of the room using the preamp features.

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  • JimInMD
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    Do you have any '74 Dijon?

    Neanderthal's use chain saws.. a sophisticated audiophile attacks their living rooms delicately with a sawzaw.

    I'm totally jealous.. I am blasting with my 20 year old Denon, similar age speakers with no intents on upgrading anytime soon. Budgets be budgets..

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    Can you imagine writing the real equipment book? With the constant upgrading of the system, that book would be multiple enormous volumes. Hope the Meyers have logged a lot of their research.

    No 18's here. Of course not needed.

    Back last year, Oro, you asked if I was running multiple subs. I am not. I have a 12" SVS Systems sub with built in Sledge D amp. It is like the rabbit, it is a thumper. Goes down to 13 or 15hz, so below the 20hz of human hearing. That is, if all memories about frequency response are still good. Starting to get the old enough to question my own thoughts at times.

    I am still hoping for the day when we can listen to WoS through a system that takes us to the "Fare the Well" P.A.. Would have to be software based, but I look at it like 4K upcoding an HDTV signal.

    Wow, FTW PA is now 7 years ago. Bet the Meyers' have gone way beyond that. I almost applied for a job at Meyer 7 years ago. Was in my career field. POTHead.

    That 2015 system had multiple flying 18's. It also had a load balancing system. This was done by having 2 systems, intake and outake. That is, they had 100 microphones throughout the stadium to push into the analytics software. Of course, the output systems was not connected except thru analytics, to the input system to avoid feedback. Brilliant. The analytic input system could then be used to balance the PA by section of the of the stadium.

    Sorry for interruption but I wanted find the article on pro sound web about 2015 FTW PA.

    I did actually find it, but not by searching pro sound web, but by searching internet at large and it found it on the pro sound web site, even though pro sound web could not find it in its own search.

    Let me know, maybe I can send lynk thru PM here, not sure if they cut that off.

    Any way need to do a little work after lunch. I mean a little work.

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  • Oroborous
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    That’s what chain saws are for!

    Gary, I think besides trying to keep up with Garcia, Phil was using that big system on stage to help fill in those near field areas (up front etc) we were discussing, the areas that didn’t get proper coverage from the PA?
    What some refer to as the Phil Zone, though to me that’s was where both his stage sound and the PA sound merged and acoustically coupled.
    But yeah, My spine tingles and can still feel rather than hear those sub frequencies in my DNA. (By sub I mean below the threshold of hearing, not a subwoofer). Those Meyers 18”s in the PA were ridiculous in the right spot, in the right venue etc.
    Plus, it’s the Grateful Fucking Dead so why not go big!

    PS, that Grateful Dead gear book is great, though a little dialed down.

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    I want what Phil's having...

    Home version. 18"'s and 4"'s. If I move some things around, they should fit.

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    thanks for the write-up, input. Need a little time to read again and ponder. Think again we are speaking the same language but as 90% of communication is non verbal, some times the written language let's us down.

    It seems I have the dead's equipment book, need to track that down. Not necessarily for this discussion but just to find it again...

    Should have figured Phil would use Meyer systems. Using 18's onstage, wow!

    Hope all well your way!

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    As of late 82 or early 83 Phil was using 4 Meyers cabinets: (4 -18”, 4 -15”), 2 per cabinet powered by custom PIE amps, until they started not using speakers on stage in 92. (Which I didn’t like).

    Not sure I get all what your saying? I agree that Soundboards do not sound natural for many reasons.
    Perhaps your referring to the phenomena of Microphones not having frequency response to accurately record bass waves combing sub sonic frequencies at those kind of SPL levels?
    Mic location can also make a big difference and was partly why Dan started the tapers section. Unless you have the right knowledge and equipment chances are a recording made too close will mot sound good.
    Plus you have the physics: the lower the frequency, the longer the sound wave. If your too close you’ll not hear the fully formed bass note etc.
    In fact if your too close much of the PA sound will blow right by you. You’ll also not properly experience stereo imaging. That’s why usually, the sound board or just before it was THE place to be. It was a trade off going up front: yeah you were up close and could see and hear their stage sound, but the PA mix was so above and beyond you that you missed a lot of info. Eventually they added little Meyers boxes, usually sitting on the front of the stage to add some vocals etc for those up close.
    Nothing comes for free! Personally, like Bear, I didn’t like the stereo set up because of this. Unless you were in the right spot, you missed a lot of info, especially if you were sitting on the side!
    This was the main reason Reserved seating sucked: nobody could sit where they wanted so if you were a sound nut like us, you often had to endure less than perfect sound/mixes.

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    I listened to 1988-10-15. Once Friday, Second Saturday. Two different sources although both said the Ultramatrix board, the first was much muddier than the second. Best highlight was the deep garbled voices toward the end of drums. Really bizarre, and reminds me of garbled voices during latter Star Wars during broken transmissions, and reminds me of the fellas ties to Lucas, the lightgiver.

    I was very disappointed in both versions as the show is missing a whole lot of data/music. What I mean by this is, I am wondering if there is fallout from the phil zone? I am positing that as the Phil Zone expanded, Healy lost control of the overall sound. If memory serves at some point it seems I remember maybe Phil using 18" woofers onstage. For sure he was using 15's (plus 12's and 10's). Now I loved my bit of time I spent in the Phil zone, but generally when I got up close, it was Jerry side. As Phil blasts his horn, this means Healy had to bring Phil down in the overall P.A. mix. In my humble opinion, I believe this led to the bad tape sound, lots of data/music missing. When I focus my ears, I can tell that much of the overall lower sound waves are missing or nonexistent. Even worse, the frequencies that are there are very muddled and indiscernible.

    Now as a way to test my theory, I listened to 1988-03-27, Hampton. Another group of shows I saw in 1988. I did see 8 Dead shows there and fully know the quality of the sound that can be obtained within the mothership. (Also saw the shows that make up "Hampton Comes Alive..") When I listened to March 27, the sound is very good. However, although not as bad a St.Pete, there is again a large amount of data/music missing as well. The imaging is excellent but that is because the imaging comes from the higher frequencies. Bass frequencies are much more omni- directional, whereas high frequencies are unidirectional. (Want to press on these concepts furthur, later on. I want to go back to some discussions back in October regarding HDCD.) If my hypothesis is correct, then the tape anomalies concerning extremely muddled low frequencies will test out thru other 1988 shows. Had not heard or noticed this until this past weekend. So for St. Pete, it not only causes Phil to be muddled (deep booming bass with no clarity to individual notes played), it also means some muddleness from other players/instruments. I believe this may be the reason why 1988 recordings may all need matrix recording.

    Just one man's opinion, would like to know what others thought.

    Both Hampton and St. Pete were excellent shows when you factor other aspects than just the quality of the reproduced sound on tape. One reason I love the later shows is because the P.A. quality produces a much more full bodied, across frequencies, sound than do earlier performances. Early performances are fire from perfomance, latter shows have more depth and clarity in the frequency spectrum, hence DaP#40.

    Ok enough for now.

    G

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    I was there.. It was so hot at the start of the show... Close to 100... Really enjoyed the long scarlet>fire popping up in the 4th slot.... Drove straight to Louisville after the show... why oh why.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Okay Bob t, they had some shots of the crowd. Were you left of your 6'4 buddy in a tie dye?

Great show. The video is weird, kind of on and off. Looks more like a bootleg recording. Pretty sweet Scarlet-Fire.

Still no #35 for me. Maybe next week. In the meantime other goods my family orders are delivered by USPS and gets to us without an issue.

Okay, enough of that, back to some GOGD!

Oh and I always loved Jerry's cut off cords from this tour.

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It doesn't looks as though you did this one on the day in question - but its a great show any day of the year. Serious cowboy boot funk on Hard to Handle, an Other One-Uncle-Other One that holds your attention to the last note. And, as you say, its got a Cumberland. One of the best, I would say.

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...and so it is. Nice mix up, Dave, a worthy adventure.

I think I am going to try and cobble together a complete show from the various sources.. this is always a hassle, but usually worth the effort.

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August 9th, 1995. Driving up into the Burro Mountains south of Silver City I could scan the FM airwaves and hear the Grateful Dead on a half dozen FM radio stations everywhere from El Paso, Texas to Las Cruces and Truth or Consequences in New Mexico to Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona, just about non-stop all day. Only time that’s ever happened. That night I drank Guinness Stout and smoked strong Ganga with a friend who played both sides of the first Garcia album vinyl version on his powerful stereo system that included a Macintosh Amp and Kliptch speakers. Being inebriated certainly fit the mood.
Today would have been my brothers 72nd birthday. He was responsible for first turning me on to the Dead clear back in the fall of 1968 by way of Anthem of the Sun. He once said that heavy duty events happened in this date. 75 years ago the atomic bomb was dropped on Nagasaki, Japan. On this date in 1974 Richard Nixon resigned. I happened to be hitchhiking cross country going over the bridge from Ontario into to Upper Michigan while hearing his resignation speech.
And of course twenty five years ago the news that was less surprise but still a great shock to the many of us who love the music of the Grateful Dead.
Phil Lesh once spoke of how the music of Dark Star is always playing in the Universe and how they would tap into that force. I paraphrase his quote but you get the concept. On the subject of Dark Star, about 30 years ago I was at a gathering of long hairs on Ash Creek at the foot of Mount Graham in southeast Arizona. Some kind of barter fair or something on private land. There was a deadhead who was playing an acoustic guitar, jamming with a sitar player. I requested Dark Star and without delay they started playing the melody and formless form of that universal composition. That early spring day on the edge of the desert became filled with the beautiful music of East meets West. A transcendent American raga.
I posted on the daze? Days Between page on Jerry’s birthday but hardly anyone seems to go there. Speaking of Days Between, by far the most powerful Robert Hunter composition of the 1990s.
Time is fleeting, try and make the most of it.

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Here's to Jerry!

Let it be said often and with more eloquence and poetry.

Truly remarkable how many people he touched in one lifetime.

Glad to be one of the many.

Cheers to all the others!

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I have to ask.. what beans, assuming a dark and oily roast.

Just finished converting and combining the best version of each song from 8/6/71 into a single folder and have imported it into my electronic world.. in about 10 min I will start my listen to strong black coffee myself.. Ethiopia Limu Musa Aba Lulesa somewhere between full city and a French roast. (sounds like a song they came out of space with Hamza El Din sitting in.

As for beer later, I promised myself this week would begin a period of summer discipline and scaling back. All good things in all good time.

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Columbian Supremo, black and oily.
Got 25 lbs of green unroasted beans this spring.
Roasted a batch a few weeks ago. Had the roaster out on the deck in the sun when temps were in the 90’s. Really helps get the roaster really hot to achieve the black oily beans I prefer. The thing I like about Columbian Supremo is that when they are black and oily a chocolate flavor comes out. The chocolate flavor doesn’t seem to exist in beans from other parts of the world. Not that I don’t like those beans too.

Wrapping up 8-6-74%, now heading outside to do various jobs around the house.

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8/7/82:Bluecrow great pick! Another Lil nugget that gets lost in the couch cushions so to speak....I think part of your displeasure with the Bass sound is complicated by that G&L Bass Phil was playing between the Irwin and when he started playing Modulus....not a huge fan of the Irwin, but really didn’t like the G&L. Remember first seeing/hearing the Modulus, with the Meyer Sound rig, spring 83 twice, front row in front of Phil....my jaw is still probably stuck to the floor of Broome County Arena!

STRIDER: great post as usual...I felt like I was there with you, especially cruising around the desert at night with the midnight radio playing all Dead...
Interesting to about this date, betting there’s more interesting history! Weird though, the misses has been getting freaked out lately. She keeps a journal and for a while now every time she opens it up it always opens to the week of August 10th...? I’ve asked if there’s pages stuck or what ever and she says no, no matter what it keeps opening to this page? Very weird and kinda freaky, she’s starting to get the fear! Somehow I feel you would understand this?

PLAYING IN THE SAND: great show last night. Besides a couple snoozers in the first really good show!
Looks like a cool scene too. If not for the vid I’d be down for a winter get away, but alas, I fear never more quoth the Raven...

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Yaaasss, have a mini bottle of “champagne”...perfect for a Mimosa or 2...need a little hair of the mutt after Playing in the sand last night. Started off with one of those Tall Pliney the Elders and didn’t let up. If we weren’t seasoned veterans it might of been too much too fast, but you and I have been through that, and this is not our fate...
So a toast....to the Fat Man! We miss you more than words can tell....
I used to say today was the day the music died, but as evident by how many awesome folks are still putting it out there and lighting people up as Bob would say, it truly is a testament to just how amazing the Music is, never mind the players. Been tuning in occasionally this week on Daze Between etc and who’d a thunk 25 years later there’d still be anyone, let alone the ridiculous plethora of fine musicians, and the magnitude of popularity that exists. Crazy!
So to JG, Hunter, AND the amazing gifts they bequeathed us!, my old departed Buddies favorite toast: “ here’s to swimming with bowl legged women, and swimming between their knees”
Nostrovia!

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8/9 - somehow forgot the import of the date until I saw Strider's post. in '95 I was just beginning a whole new life chapter in the southwest, one that continues to this day. 8/9/95 actually started out with some very beautiful Grateful Dead energy, that turned very spooky once we found out about Jerry's death at the end of the work day. By chance had been back in Chi-town in early July visiting family and had caught the 2 Soldier Field shows, totally unplanned, brother had extra tickets. Whole different scene/planet from what I'd experienced in Seattle that spring. Seattle was fun and very well played. Chicago was seriously heavy. But still never expected the news of his death. And yes Strider - the Days Between is an absolute masterpiece. First heard it on the GD hour that featured Landover '93 (at time didn't know that my brother was there.) Hair stood up on end, super eerie, emotionally charged from that first listen - it is always like that. It seemed like Hunter somehow was shown the future that lay before us. For me in some ways as emotionally powerful as any song he wrote. Brings me close to tears anytime I hear it, or really even think about it.

8/8 - GOGD - Alpine 82 - I was in the cheap "seats" on the lawn, but by 2nd set against rail at back of the shed. i don't "think" I was full on smoking crater but it was getting awfully close. agog as this force of nature swept past us, just drinking it in. remember Zakir throwing a drum stick at Mickey as he walked onto stage. Cippolina was just suddenly "there" and Healy had him dialed up loud, no fooling around. I had zero clue who those guys were. The Satisfaction was unreal - Phil was at 11 both in terms of sound and energy. The Brokedown that followed is my all time favorite. Left that show with Phil's bass tattooed across my brain. That show took me to a whole new level.

8/7 - Oro, so glad you enjoyed the rediscovery! I don't know much about Phil and instrument history, I figured it was more of Healy thing. At the time, 8/8 made a bigger impression, but a couple of years later I was gifted with a killer low gen of 8/7 with most 2nd set and show opener and that further opened the door as to how magical 8/7 was. i ended up calling that cassette "Sacred Alpine" and it got more play than any tape in my collection back in the day, and that's a LOT. turned a bunch of folks onto it.

8/6 - that Palladium show is crazy good, and its got a smoking Cumberland! A dub of the legendary bootleg record highlighting the 2nd set was one of my earliest tapes from a pre-hiatus show - love love love the sound from that era. in terms of sources - a wealth of riches there - the Bertrando audience is fantastic and that's where I generally head (there now in fact!) i think it was the source for the bootleg record.

The night of 8/9/95 ended up camping with a friend in a canyon up on Cedar Mesa. I remembered 2 dreams from that night. 1) Jerry playing solo acoustic guitar to about 20 of us in a small room (sort of like the Rambler Room.) He was overweight, sweating, and he was pouring himself into it, giving everything he had. 2) I was on a stage with the rest of the band (no Jerry) watching them perform. I have a clear picture of that scene to this day, I was stage left in the wings, it was dusk, outdoors, no backdrop, lighting was all soft violets and silver, Phil was closest but still a good ways distance. The stage was HUGE and there was something like 40 meters between band members, as in, nobody was close. The music was unearthly and beautiful, but what they were playing wasn't the Grateful Dead.

Love you Jerry.

Take care and stay safe everyone. Time for a cold one!

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July 9, 1995; final Grateful Dead concert.
July 5, 2015; Fare Thee Well final concert.
March 11, 2020 Bob Weir and Wolf Brothers last concert of the year.

On the edge of your city you’ll see us and then
We come with the dust and we go with the wind

Pastures of Plenty / Woody Guthrie

July 23, 1990 / Lest we forget Brent / There’s something about Chicago

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As it should be.

A lot of Love going on in the Dead world in Jerry's memory, it was real cool to see and be a part of (virtually). Hats off to Rex Foundation for the shindig.

I watched bits and pieces (mostly the interviews) on Daze Between throughout the week. I really enjoyed the bookend interviews with the photographers, starting with Rosie McGee and capping it off with Herbie Greene, Ed Perlstein, Bob Minkin, Jay Blakesberg & Susana Millman, that was really cool.

Really Enjoyed the 8/7 & 8/8 Alpine '82 shows, thanks BlueCrow! And thanks for the follow up info, it's interesting that you point out that Phil & Cippolina were LOUD there at the shows, which does correlate with why they'd be quite on the PA tapes. When it's loud on the stage, it'll tend to be quite on the PA tape and, yeah that's what we have.

I'd always favored the 8/8, but that PITB > D > S > Wheel > PITB > Morning Dew is a really great listen, and I played it a few times, it'll take you places. And Set 1 is too much! So yeah, good stuff there, Nice Pick(s)!

8/6/71 the famous Houseboat Tapes, It'd be nice to see that show get the full show treatment as it's pretty darn good throughout and I'm not hearing issues with the tape, but is that one of those things where they only got a few reels back? Curious curious.

Interesting how we had some back to back 2004 - 2005 releases, DiP V31, DiP V32 and DiP V35, great liner notes for V31 & V35. Good stuff you all!

Oh and let's not forget DaP V35, I see it's a bit of a sore subject, but I dug what I heard on my first pass.

Well, should I mention the elephant in the room?

1 Vince Show listened to since April 16, 2020

I read a review the other day about 9/7/90 after listening to Brent 7/21/90 Shakedown Stream, they're saying it's a good one. I can't remember.

Anybody got a pick?

@9/7/90...my recollection was It was generally good, perhaps a bit subdued? I specifically remember thinking it’s going to be ok....this guys not Kieth or Brent, but he’ll be ok, and more importantly you could tell the Band was going to be ok and they’d picked up right where they left off...

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You were wrong!
Just kidding... kinda. ;)
It was OK, in fact got real good for a bit, but I guess nothing is.. are you ready?
Built To Last
(Groan)

Coffee is starting to work.
OB: You saw this one?
Cold Rain opener, 14 minute Bird Song & US Blues to close Set 1.
Truckin' > Crazy Fingers > 17 Minute PITB
My interest is kinda peaked to re-listen.

Yo Vinnie!
Saw them close to two months later and had kind of the same feeling, but so much had changed in my life, I wasn't sure if it was them or me, or both. And yeah, Hornsby was there and he added a lot of color, I don't even think I knew who Vince was or his name.. some guy from the Tubes.

Ah the good ole days of no cell phones and dare I say it, no internet.
At least for me, I was late to get into this here thing called the WWW, didn't begin to crack this nut until 1992ish.

Good stuff.
Shall we go? Into the early days of Vince? It's a Monday, what the hell..

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I saw these two shows, Vince's first two... 9/8 had a really good second set. 9/7 I don't even know how to describe the feeling if that makes sense??? Brent had passed a little more than a month before... Bob t

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Since no one else is bitting, shall we go, you and I through the transitive nightfall of Cleveland???
Similar thought at the time: who is this guy? The tubes? I would come to feel like it was not the best fit....though, in some ways my feelings aboutVince have mellowed. Would be ok if I never heard Way to go
Home again, but as a support musician he was good (yasss some of his sounds where lame but much of that was out of his hands).
Still think they should have taken some time off like 74-75....look how well that worked out! Either after Brent passed, or after JGs 92 health problems. I know the tour was booked in 90, but sometime, someway the should have tkjen time and regrouped, imho, which means nothing of course 😉
So 9/7/90?
That’ll give me a chance to backup the mighty Ref 3....haven’t done so in gulp, perhaps a couple years....
Many reasons, none good except my relationship with Murphy and because my UPS needs new batteries and power here often does weird things so I didn’t want to attempt huge backup (acquired a ton of stuff last couple years) without UPS etc...so streaming on the iPad while doing HD backup sounds like a plan Stan!
Just us today?

Bob T is in too!
And I agree words fail & often.

Let’s do it you all.

I’m gonna fire it up and Walk In The Sunshine, wonder why they never played that ;)

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I will check it out. Thanks for the pick.
Lost power and internet for a little while here in MN. Back up and running.

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Decent Set 1, nice energy.

Cool to hear the crowd response to Vince's first solo.

I found it interesting, they play Bird Song, possibly a nod to Brent's passing and following the song Jerry introduces Vince, coincidence? We'll never know...

Bob being the sentimental fella that he is follows that up with...
Picasso Moon.

Classic.

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I forgot until I listened that Bob sang the.. "Sailing around the world in a dirty gondola... oh to be back in the land of coca cola.." I think that was the Band lyrics..... bob t

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Bob T - glad you mentioned that, was surprised to hear him sing those lyrics as well, anybody know how often that happened? Think in’ it was kind of infrequent with the GD, although there’s mention on dead.net that he did sing them at Buckeye in 1995, and at Cleveland and New York in 1994 on the Masterpiece lyric page.

Keep learning new stuff every day!

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Digging this show so far. Sound quality is
really good from the SBD recording. Vocals are nice and clear. Yes, the Masterpiece is unique. Bird Song is a little slow. Looking forward to the second set tommorow morning.

The Dead always had a knack for moving forward.

Be well folks.

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Wow, this show is better than I remember, but reinforces my previous recall.
Yeah, BobT, I forgot about all that crowd energy (went with an aud) All the apprehension etc, melted away, they were back and here to stay...like JG let’s us know in Ramble On Rose, “this song ain’t never gonna end” with extra gusto, and the crowd loves it! These shows were definitely an affirmation, the boys were back, and we all were loving it. Lucked out again, as when we ordered our tix we had no idea these shows would be historical.
Another solid 90 show for sure.

EDIT: yeah, totally forgot about the bridge in masterpiece.

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Yeah, I dug the 9/7/90 trip. Historic man, and a turning point.

And you all (OB & Bob T) were there in the flesh!

Thanks for buying the ticket and taking the ride, then and now.

Anybody fancy a trip through 1969-12-11 Dave's 2014 Bonus Disc?

I'm reading Joel Selvin's Altamont (great so far btw) and I need some late '69 as a soundtrack.

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Firing...
Bam!

Wonder if the rest of this show is in the Vault?

I’m thinking yes.. what’s in circulation is pretty rough, ‘69 audience tape and a skeevy SBD. But definitely released some good tracks on this here bonus disc.

Time to dig in!

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I somehow replied to a Dave's Picks comment here.. worse than a double post. So I moved it and have to fill this space. I did mention the show of the day though, so in a way they are related.

How about something short and different today? The acoustic set from 11/17/78 Loyola College. A rare gem. "It's Got A Tom Dooley" (man, that doesn't quite roll off the tongue like a Cumberland")

https://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-17.sbd.dodd.audiohead22.remaster-…

This one's for you, Brewer. Short and sweet.

If your really ambitious, you can do the full show at the Uptown later that night.

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Jim - lucky to have one of those for sure. it disappeared for awhile and lucky as all get out that I'm back at it.

Thank you for posting that link to that crazy one-off acoustic benefit at Loyola College. gonna check it out later tonight - its been awhile (right now revisiting 8/7/82 Set II again cause its that good.) don't know if you saw it but I referenced the Rambler Room back on 8/9.

Not saying its a pick of the day but today 8/12 is the anniversary of the middle show of Dead's last run at Red Rocks in 1987. What better way to finish an '87 1st set than a Bird Song > Music Never Stopped. and wow - a Terrapin on the Rocks..... And the moon rising over the Great Plain during Quinn. It was a very fine evening.

Big Boss Man show opener for 8/13.

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The Rambler Room reference didn't make it into memory, but I can't say it didn't register subconsciously and perhaps influence my pick today. I was looking for something light, short and different simply because it was starting to look like everybody left and forgot to turn out the lights.

I also forgot the anniversary of the 87 Red Rocks shows.. which is a shame because I made those shows.

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how in the glorious heck did that spontaneous and gorgeous Rambler Room set come to be??

this ain't '69 or '70. this is a hunger benefit on a Nov '78 afternoon in a "student hangout" on the north side of Chicago. and Jerry and Bob on acoustic guitars, and Phil and Mickey, and a set list that would be some crazy wish list if it weren't real. I mean - Big Boy Pete for fuks sake!! followed by Jack a Roe!! and there was a Tom Dooley?? A KC Moan?? Knockin?? Dark Hollow?? Oh Boy??!!

a gem - nothing like it. you and I, while we can .....

the Rambler today - https://www.luc.edu/conference/campusvenues/lakeshorecampus/centennialf…

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Bob - Jack a Roe?
Jerry - Jack a Roe, Sir.
Bob - Jack a Roe? to Mickey or Phil
Bob - Jack a Roe? to Phil or Mickey

Sure woulda loved to see the boys at The Great American!

Love the stronger than dirt jam, always wished they had have pulled that one out of the hat a few more times in the later days. Oh well, glad to rock it now during morning coffee sesh!

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Always welcome this great show and release OFTV. We hit this one up a couple months ago. Again, for sure.
Do you all have the remastered version they put out in 2007. If you don't, you should get it. Huge upgrade on sound quality.

Milking the Turkey!

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What a show, I put it in my top 15 Grateful Dead shows of all time. Ive been to the Great American Music Hall twice, once to see the great blues artist Otis Rush, and once to see this fantastic folk singer named Kate Wolf, I used to go see her alot. Anyways, it's a great place to see a show.

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Too expensive for me when it came out. Limited budget, beer and cigarettes where more important, which was fine because I just made a cassette copy of a friend’s CD. Got the CD years later, then the remastered version in the FTV Box, then the vinyl. The vinyl sounds great and it’s not even 180g.
I listened to the vinyl this spring when we did this show, so it’s the digital version today for the 45th anniversary.

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Or,
Milkin’ The Turkey

Either way,
Hell yeah!!!!!

Sounds like something D&C should start playing, if they ever get to play together again.

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I suggest we revisit that one we missed and call in a freshie tomorrow.

I am going to finish the complete show 5/15/70 with the NRPS.. I just made it through the Early Show last time.

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8/15/71 tomorrow (never knows) ? Aw Reet , it’s the stuff that can’t be beat.

down with that - I sampled both 8/15 and the previous night for sound quality on relisten.net back when 8/6 was the pick. have never listened to the whole shows as far as i remember. there are pictures of Jerry on 8/15 in a blue denim western snap shirt, double snap saw tooth pocket flap no less, an iconic '71 Jerry image. the relisten layout is so much more user friendly than the archive (which relisten draws on and still a solid resource.) i think a post by vguy first brought relisten to my attention and used it ever since.

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Listening now... just on Playing.... Actually my birthday tomorrow... gonna miss Shakedown Stream Friday's!!! be good everyone bob t