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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • wilfredtjones
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    lists of concerts attended

    My list is so pitiful compared to a lot of those that have been shared here, but I am still thankful for the very few concerts I have seen and had decent experiences at. Thankfully no puke on backs of calves for me. That would have really sucked, Jim! Maybe when it's safer to hit live shows again, I would consider attending some in-person live entertainment again. But keep the tales coming!

    By the way, I randomly noticed today that the 30 Trips box (affectionately known as Boxzilla, Boxilla or The Porch Crusher) is lean on Late Era China Cat>I Know You Rider's. Other than some of the AUD splices or cd packaging (or original price or price now!) there is very little to complain about with that box. I really think it got some shows out that would have taken much longer or wouldn't have even been considered if other than as a release for a much later date.

    Have a Grateful Day all!

    P.S. Oh and DH Brewer check out the Internet Archive Grateful Dead forum for Mando Jammer's 1984 show by show review for examples of more good shows from that era. I think another place to start might be BCT, Silva Hall or Greek '84. But, everyone has their favorites. :-)

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    Rant freely, great read.

  • Gary Farseer
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    I was sort of shocked but not surprised about Eddie Van Halen. I saw Van Halen probably around 10 times the first being the 80's Invasion tour and the last being in Charlotte NC in 1996, I think the Balance tour.

    Now I am going to try and weirdly bring a few posts together. When I saw them in 1996 it was because some friends of mine were opening for them. I have written about them before. Two of my friends were in the band but not at the same time. The band was Brother Cane which had some decent success in the early to mid 90's. I have posted this link before:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwmYh8GubK0.

    My friend Glenn was the bass player at the time. He quit and the 2nd guitarist (Roman who plays harmonica in the video) when Glenn played moved to bass and another friend Dave came in as the 2nd guitarist here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFXlBlKMwNI

    So Dave actually wrote the better songs than Damon the lead guitarist vocalist of the band. None of Dave's songs ever made it onto a record. OK why all of this?

    All are still professional musicians. Damon has written songs for and with Stevie Nicks and others and played in Alice Cooper for about 5 years. Dave plays with Atlanta Rhythm Section, does their summer shed tours and even writes some.

    Some mentioned Ricky (Rick) Nelson a few posts back. Well I saw Rick's last show at a very small club (so takes care of the small club discussion) near my hometown. The next day he died in a plane crash. The next day was 1985-12-31. So I had become a head in 1982, first with LiveDead and then Bear's Choice. But it was the Radio City Music Hall taping from 1980 (October 30-31) that I saw in September 1982 on the USA network, that hooked me. On New Year's Eve 1985, I saw for the first time Grateful Dead live (in action) on the USA network nationwide tv broadcast. They started broadcasting with the 2nd set which started locally at 2am. As it had been since the 1980 Radio City shows, I had not seen Jerry in picture or anything. He had aged so much, I guess it didnt surprise me when he got sick. To tie this all back in just a little bit, here is a picture taken 1985-12-31 of Rick Nelson's plane shortly before taking off.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFXlBlKMwNI

    Now the third gentleman from the left is Damon, who played this show in the opening act called Headline. Just weird how the world turns.

    So to go full circle, in 1996 when Brother Cane was opening for Van Halen I got to meet the band, minus Sammy. Eddie, Alex, and Michael were all fun to hang around and easy to get along with, made me feel comfortable. Sammy pulled up separately in a long limousine with a tall beautiful blond with him. He did not acknowledge my friends but more importantly the other three in Van Halen. The other 3 came out and watched Brother Cane's sound check, and joked around. I still have an unworn Mike's Cafe Tshirt I got from Mike. Some may know what Mike's Cafe is...

    And to close, I apologize for the long meaningless rant. Here is Rick Nelson's last set list.

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ricky-nelson/1985/pjs-alley-guntersville…

    His show was a very good show, and I am glad I went. I did have to be dragged to it by older friends...

  • Gary Farseer
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    I like many others really try to not bring politics or religion to this board. That said within our community I also believe that the minute you cut off an era of the dead's music, you have truly exited the bus and stopped the long strange trip. I am still very weak in 90's Grateful Dead, but I am not closed off to it. Someone wrote they would like to see a post Bruce 90's release. Now that I can accept. Why, because I need to explore this area of Grateful Dead. Just from the very limited Bruce shows I have heard, I notice Bruce seems to lean on his same chops over and over. I could be wrong, I need to hear more Bruce era Grateful Dead as well. One thing I will not do anytime soon is stop my long strange trip.

    I have a bunch to post so forgive me if I blast a few out.

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    wow. Eddie Van Halen

    I went through a Van Halen phase in high school, which quickly passed.

    Still, Eddie Van Halen: props to you.

    and another one's gone, and another one's gone, and another one bites the dust.

    but some people keep breathing. odd.

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    As I expected, my fellow Deadheads saw some incredible multi-bill concerts. A mis-matched 3 band concert that I saw at the Tower Theatre also involved the PSG:

    1. Patti Smith Group: avant-punk?

    2. Sparks: LA power popsters whose lead vocalist sang with a falsetto...may sound strange, but they've been a long time favorite. This was my 2 younger sisters 1st concert...GD were next...and quite the contrast!

    3. UFO: with Michael Schenker; this band was p*ssed off...I don't know if it was because they were the opening act or if it was just being on the bill itself...either way they were the LOUDEST band I EVER heard.
    We walked into the Tower about 10 mins. after UFO went on and saw the entire lobby was filled with people. I found Kenny, an usher (from whom I used to purchase 'doses' ) and asked him why everyone was in the lobby. He told me, "Dave, they're so loud you can't stand at the aisle break for more than 2-3 mins". He was standing beside me shouting directly into my ear but I had trouble hearing and understanding him. When I finally got the message I thought 'Too Loud? Impossible!' I walked down to the aisle break and sure enough...this was a pain I never experienced before...like being stabbed in both ears with sharpened screwdrivers. The only people in the theatre were 4 head-banging metalheads standing approximately 30-40 ft. from the left side PA. I think any potential new fans were lost that night as well as the hearing of the 4 Mheads.

    Last 5:

    1. Hank Ballard & The Midnighters - Sexy Ways; a remastered single disc compilation put together by King Records & Rhino...thanks for the remastering Rhino. Highly suggestive lyrics or outright lewd and obscene as deemed by 1950's standards? Released 1993.

    2. X - Alphabetland; 40 years after their 1st album, X come roaring back in style. 11 songs, 27 mins. total...hit-n-run and they're done...all meat no potatoes.

    3. Louvin Brothers - Tragic Songs Of Life; a proto-blend of Country/Bluegrass/Folk/Gospel and a major influence on the Everly Brothers who in turn would be a major influence on the Beatles, particularly Paul McCartney. I've come to realize there are less than 6 degrees of separation when it comes to music. Ira's mandolin playing would go on to influence others for years to come. Combine that with the almost unearthly sibling vocal harmonies and a cover of Leadbelly's 'In The Pines' and you've got a winner on your hands IMHO.

    4. Paul Kelly - Spring And Fall; Australia's answer to Dylan. He's been at it for 40 years and is virtually unknown in the States...I think everyone can name an artist or band who they feel is/was criminally overlooked or underrated. For me Paul Kelly is one of them.

    5. Yes - Keys To Ascension & KTA 2 (studio); Two 2 disc releases, 1 disc studio/1 disc live for each. The 2 studio discs make up, what I think is the last great album by the well known quintet of Anderson/Howe/Squire/Wakeman/White. The live discs make up a complete show (compiled from 3 nights) at the 650 seat Fremont Theatre in San Luis Obispo, CA and is a keeper as well.

    +1 GD - Dick's Picks Vol. 3: 5/22/77 Pembroke Pines, FL ; a fellow DH posted a link for the missing songs on a long gone DaP thread, and I say Thank You...I need complete shows!

    Thanks to my fellow DHs, GD and Rhino for providing an oasis of happy, controlled insanity in these very uncertain times...sorry for rambling!

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    RIP Eddie Van Halen....

    ....throat cancer.

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    Two shows I saw that were both unexpected for different reasons, were by the “two” Beatle drummers, Ringo Starr, and Pete Best. Starr was playing with one of his All Starr lineups (I remember Edgar Winter) at a local casino, and while not a huge Beatle guy, a friend is, so I went. I always felt Starr’s playing was underrated, but at this show, it felt so mailed-in, so contrived. He even remarked about not needing to leave the stage to do the encore, because “you know I’m going to do it”. Kind of a let down, especially after seeing McCartney a few times, and he really worked it. Starr played some drums, but mostly just did that goofy peace sign and walked the stage.
    Pete Best was touring his bar band, playing small venues and bars, and he was playing west of Toronto in a pretty run down town called Hamilton (the Dead have played there), and we went more for the novelty. Surprisingly, despite playing this shabby hall, the guy played his ass off, and it was all pretty upbeat Mersey music, and there was never a let down in the tempo of the show. He hung around for a meet and greet after, and a nice guy to boot. I have no idea why the Beatles booted him way back when (my friend almost directly asked him, but he gave a PC answer about how “great the lads were”), but his playing was pretty stellar from what I heard.

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    For multi-band shows, two that stand out for me are:

    Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray Vaughan and Robert Cray, Alpine Valley 1990 night one of two. We all know how this ended on night two, but for many years this was one of the best nights of my life. A fairly mixed group of my friends (some from college, some from high school, some hippies, some who preferred metal) caravaned and parked with a keg and bong in the lot-- the back lots were very different than they are today with woods and trails to navigate. We all drank beer, smoked and then me and my college buds ate paper and took off on our own. Stevie Ray blew us away-- will never forget how he just owned that stage that night. Clapton was good, but how to follow that up!

    The other one was a 'Blues Festival' featuring Dr. John, Buddy Guy and B.B. King, summer of 1991 (I think) at the Marcus Amphitheater in Milwaukee. This one stands out for how inappropriate the venue was. There were probably less than 1,000 people in that 20,000 person shed. Dr. John did his set, including a song with a lady dancing with a python. Buddy Guy does his set and did his "Roaming Buddy" in this empty amphitheater-- ran all the way up to the bathrooms on the concourse at the top!! I was hooked on Buddy Guy and saw him as often as I could for the next 20 years.

    The next time I saw Buddy Guy was the best club show I saw-- R&R Station in Madison, winter 1992. Also saw Otis Rush in a small club in Milwaukee, c. 1998.

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    I saw the fast and furious Norwegian jazz rock band Elephant 9 in January this year at the famous jazz club Ronnie Scotts. At the set break I overheard someone asking for his money back as it wasn't proper jazz. He got that right!
    At the end of last year I saw Gong/Steve Hillage and a few weeks before that Hawkwind. And all was well with the world.
    I'd forgotten about Mahogony Rush. I'll bet they were a blast live.

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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12/3/79

I have the show on as background music for an on-line training where I just have to listen.

Terrapin allllmost comes to a complete stop.

sounds a group of sloths playing

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry: much love to you; so sad you got "Horse" disease. A true tragedy.

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isn't heading Boris Johnson's house??

And Vguy, please don't stop the "jokes"... it's the little things now and a silly smile is worth a million [fill in whether you value love or money and state the denomination...]

A penguin is driving down the road and can feel something is not right with his car...he sees a repair shop and pulls in...he tells the mechanic something's wrong but I'm not sure what...the mechanic tells him "ok give me about an hour to check it out"...the penguin goes out on the street, looks around and sees an ice cream shop...he goes in and orders an extra large dish of vanilla bean ice cream and starts dipping his beak into it, enjoying the ice cream...later on he goes back to the repair shop, the mechanic looks up from what he is doing and tells the penguin "looks like you blew a seal"...the penguin shrugs, wipes his bill on his shoulder and sez "Nah, it's only ice cream..."

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mm...okay, that's pretty good-

Always loved a good joke, thanks for the laughter, it feels grateful! ... What would you rather have? a five dollar foot long or a free 8 inches?
I’m sorry, that’s the last joke I ever tell. Love them just don’t have any...lol

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-Billy Madison

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Moses, my apologies! I forgot what your avatar was and started using it a few months back when I made my first trip through the E72 box and saw the cover for 5/18. I've changed it now, as you can see. Can't show up at prom in the same dress as someone else! How gauche.

SJButler--I would also get Charlie's Angels trading cards, even though I had never been allowed to watch the show. I eventually traded for a card that had Farah standing naked behind a bush, which was the best card anyone at our school had.

I was at a party in the B.C. times (Before Covid), and these two guys were talking about how they were sure that the original Star Wars (yes, I had trading cards of that, too) came out in 1979. After a while I calmly stated, "The original SW came out on 5/25/77." The only reason I know that is because of DaP1. The one guy kind of accepted that, but the other (who had been busy all night brashly telling everyone all the "facts" in his head) glared at me and said, "I think it came out in 1979." I demurely said, "You may think that, but you'll be wrong . . . " with a little bit of tease in my voice. I was about to tell them how I had that date memorized, but the know-it-all glared harder at me and stormed off before I could explain how I wasn't being rude but was just trying to needle him a bit. Oh, well. The other people grinned, as they had grown tired of the blowhard anyway.

p.s. Casey--How 'bout them Twins, eh? :)

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Couple days late on this but did anybody listen to TIGDH on SiriusXM a couple days ago? Dave was talking about some 8 track recordings From ‘68 that were ultimately set aside when the then state of the art 16 track machines came out. Dave went on to say that we’d be seeing these 8 track recordings “soon”. He didn’t give much more and I got the impression it would more of a one off release vs a full box set or anything. Maybe a RSD release or something but that was my take and he was off the subject within a few seconds. The date of these specific recordings was 8.21.68 but assume there are more multitrack tapes from the same effort.

Did anybody else hear the same thing?

What ever it is it would be great. I went back and loaded up the Tahoe Bowl stuff from February ‘68 (DiP 22 of I’m thinking of correctly). Smoking stuff!

Seems like there is a bunch of pending stuff (AB50, Dap 36, maybe a fall box???) so maybe what I heard was more what I wanted to hear Dave say....

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I didn't hear Dave talking about it, but maybe he was referring to the Aoxomoxoa outakes. I believe they started recording in 8 track and then 16 track came along and they started over. I would love it if they released the Aixomoxoa outakes, or any thing from 1968. I would love to see some of the tour of the Great Pacific Northwest be released. Thanks for the post GreenMtnDead , it's encouraging.

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...next Boxset , is the 5LP’s Buffalo 77’ performance on 9 sides , the 10th side is an Etching! They used the original analog tapes/ recordings which in my opinion, makes this one of the best sounding release to date on vinyl . this Vinyl release is easily included in the top 5 Primo audio records ever released by the dead & team to date. Only 7700 will be issued / released , I would Recommend every fan to buy one and even if you don’t have a turntable this just make might make you start looking for one because magical things will happen My brother and sisters! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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Green Mtn Dead - I might be wrong, but I think it was part of this show that was due to come out on vinyl with that comic-Origins. It would be good to see it released on vinyl or cd.

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Ha, ya they just beat up on my Royals pretty good. Young arms aren’t quite up to par yet, but I think this COVID shortened season will do them some good while providing some necessary experience on the big stage. Good luck to the Twins! As mentioned before I think the division is theirs for the taking!!!!

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Tasty

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Daverock -

You nailed it - The 8.21.68 show is coming with the Origins on vinyl if you get the Deluxe set. Would love to see that come out on CD (sorry, I'm just not a vinyl guy). I was surprised a year or two ago when the '80 Warfield acoustic sets that were originally RSD releases showed up as a general release. So maybe this vinyl release will show up on CD.

Crazy Fingers Crossed......

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A couple days ago I got to give Dave's 35 a focused and loud listen, and I really enjoyed it. The scarlet/fire has some really peaking moments. I had not heard this show before the release and I think it is right up there for me as a favorite from the 83 - 85 period. I think it's one of the better 80s releases that has come out. The filler from the night before is also excellent.

Can anyone recommend any other standout Scarlet/Fires from 84 or 85?

What about other great shows from 84, besides Augusta?

I listened to a Frost 85 show to get ready for this release and I enjoyed that one quite a bit also, Scarlet>Eyes!

Cheers Ya'll

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I believe they recorded the Pacific Northwest run on Multitrack (8 Track) in Jan/Feb 68. Didn't Lemieux mention that these 8 tracks were found in someone's attic or returned or something.. or perhaps found in a hidden pile in the vault. There is some mysterious history here that I cannot quite put my finger on. ..but if someone is talking about a release of 68 multi-tracks I got the feeling they did not release everything they had when Road Trips Vol 2 No 2 came out (2/14/68 Carousel Ballroom).

Talk of this makes my day, a new multi-track 68 release would at least in part make up for the shitstorm that 2020 has become.

Prof, agree that #35 seems by some to have become unjustly maligned. It has it's moments.

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It’s not like I’m heading to Dubai or India anytime soon, so I don’t need any escorts.
But a maul, oh man!

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Wow, that guy has everything, and he’s actively posting right now on a variety of boards.
Sounds like he knows his synthetic motor oil too.
Wonder if he could give us a review on DaP 1-35?

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I'm gonna ask Dave one question:

"Do you think that you could make it with Frankenstein?"

Where is that from? Answer correctly, and you could win A NEW CAR!

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New York Dolls 1st album. It still gets played when the time is right. You may want to investigate 'A Hard Night's Day', demos for all of the first album and half of the 2nd. It has a suitably rougher sound than the official releases. Though I have many of his albums, Todd Rundgren wasn't the best choice for producing the 1st album imho.

They were quite hip in England circa 1973. Legendary appearance on the T.V show "The Old Grey Whistle Test," playing "Looking For a Kiss" and "Jet Boy"- priceless. A visibily rankled Bob Harris-the host of the show-sums them up as "mock rock".
Due to Nick Kent writing for the New Musical Express, my vision of top of the range American rock in the early 70s was formed in the image of Iggy and the Stooges, MC5, Flamin' Groovies and the Dolls. All leading to Patti Smith, Televison and The Ramones in 75-76. Which gave birth to British punk. Which wasn't as good.

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Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there. I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry;
I am not there. I did not die.
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I wasn’t too in to that Glam Rock scene with the Dolls, but I had a couple of friends who were pretty in to Mott The Hoople, so we ventured out to see them when they came through town in ‘74 (Kansas opened - kind of a mismatch there). Mick Ralphs had left the band then, replaced by Spooky Tooth guitarist Ariel Bender (an alias, for contractual reasons), and I have to admit, not a bad show. Ian Hunter was quite the showman.

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Yet another band who have accompanied me through life-great singles and albums. I wasn't actually into glam culture as such-just the records, which coincided with my mid teens. Alice Cooper were another American band from that era , the most visible in England , courtesy of "Schools Out", who seemed to have the right idea.

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Winning the 'prize' is enough! (LOL)...how about if we donate it to USPS? They can use all the help they can get...as long as it's not used to ferry Louis DeJoy back and forth to work!

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I have never been able to figure out how they decide what number of a limited edition you get. Probably because I have normally been on the wrong end of the numbering system for most limited items. I am now baffled in a good way. Decided to treat myself to a gift and ordered the Pacific Northwest box. Internet says there are less than 1500 left so I figured I better pull the trigger. Was just blessed with receiving #136 out of 15,000. I promise I won't complain about receiving high numbers anymore!

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about Scarlet > Fire from 84 and 85

6 18 83 needs to be included

6 21 84
3 28 85
7 13 84 scarlet touch fire
4 20 84
12 31 84

3 10 81

A CM Board...

Grateful Dead
Berkeley Community Theatre
Berkeley, CA
August 24, 1972

Set 1:
d1t01 - Promised Land
d1t02 - Sugaree
d1t03 - Jack Straw
d1t04 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t05 - I Know You Rider
d1t06 - Me And My Uncle
d1t07 - Bird Song
d1t08 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t09 - Tennessee Jed
d1t10 - Playing In The Band
d2t01 - Casey Jones

Set 2:
d2t02 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
d2t03 - Mexicali Blues
d2t04 - Brown Eyed Women
d2t05 - Truckin'
d2t06 - Dark Star ->
d2t07 - Morning Dew
d3t01 - Sugar Magnolia
d3t02 - Ramble On Rose
d3t03 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d3t04 - Sing Me Back Home
d3t05 - One More Saturday Night
--Encore--
d3t06 - Uncle John's Band

Assuming that the lower number Boxes get put together first, they would also be on the first pallets loaded during manufacturing, and then placed somewhere in the warehouse with other pallets in front of them. Distribution then starts at the higher numbers which came off the assembly line later and the pallets sit in front of the pallets with lower numbers. They then start shipping the higher numbers and work toward the lower numbers.
Your hesitation paid off.

Of course, CD 00001 gets dropped on a spindle, and 00002 gets dropped on top of it, and it keeps going.
CD 22000, which sits at the top of the pile after manufacturing, gets put in CD holder 00001, assuming that the number gets printed right before the shrink wrap goes on.

To further complicate things, if more than one production line is running, say 4 lines for a 20000 unit release, then there are 4 ‘first-units’.

When people fill orders they just grab off of the pile, most likely with no thought of the number they are giving you.

This is pure speculation, I am not a paid attorney spokesperson.

Congrats on the low number!

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Apparently the trolls are still running wild on this string and you know who you are. Don't take the bait!

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