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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • daverock
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    Going back to keyboardists, Tom Constanten brought a lot to the mix. I believe he helped shape Anthem of the Sun and Aoxomoxoa to be the albums they were. His harpsichord playing elevated the live Mountains of the Moon, too, and although he was generally quiet in the overall mix, his presence lent psychedelic shimmer at all times. Its always a something of surprise when he cuts through and solos-there are a few brief moments on the Lovelight from the recently mentioned 4/6/69 where he comes through unexpectedly clearly. Good stuff.

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    I don't believe it's a funny joke to threaten to take someone out back and beat the shit out of them. Talk about uncouth. Your response though is perfectly well written. You seem to write just fine, and then gaslight and obfuscate when you cross the line on what's considered good taste, or are called out on inappropriate speech towards members here. What you wrote is a veiled threat. The veil was the :-) and the statement that you were just joking. It's not funny at all, and you certainly don't have the rapport with me to assume I would get a kick out of it. You've also gone on to explain that you wrote it because you disagreed with my opinion. So I borrowed the word "obfuscating" from one person on the American Beauty page who described the method of retreat you use when people ask you for more details on these fantastic claims you make. That is the perfect word for what you did in response to my question about technical differences you claim were used to engineer the American Beauty bonus concert at Port Chester vs the one released with Workingman's Dead. It was a simple question. Where did you get the information? You didn't just say that it sounded different on the listening party tracks. You claimed a different process was used to engineer the two different shows from Port Chester. Obfuscating is to be evasive, unclear, or confusing. That's you LMG. I challenge you to give a straight written answer to your claim where you said (and this is a direct copy and paste of your words) "the 71’ performance included in the 50th American Beauty Release has a different approach to the overall quality performance finished master. their is a technical difference in the mix and mastering." In addition you said that Ned was one of the factors, so point taken, the show will sound different with Ned. But a guest musician has nothing to do with the technical approach to mastering the tapes that you claim occurred in this show. What is the technical difference? I don't tune in here much, but I thought you had read an article somewhere, etc. But I've seen a few posts and PMs now this is just your MO. At first I thought you were just upset with me because I chose not to buy your Europe 72 CDs. It sounds like this is just "what your trip is"

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    Well said... I never thought about it like that but how true. Pig was also very much a bar band keyboardist, but it worked for the times. Keith was brilliant, a virtuoso and an insanely good improvisationalist. It never got that good again. But, that was offset by Donna's unnecessary atonal shrieking.

    So there was never a "perfect" Dead era, really. Or one could say that they were all perfect in their way. My listening pleasure is undiminished by any of it, although I always cut the volume when "Playing In The Band" comes back in from the improv and Donna's horrible, embarrassing banshee wails spoil the soup - very briefly.

    Brent was a much more palatable keyboard player than vocalist, but he was no Keith Godchaux. Vince Welnick they settled on because it was easy and they were lazy. Nothing against Vince, personally, it was the gig of his lifetime.

    Be well everyone.

    \m/

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    When i cutnpasted the quote...

    "That" name popped up, so my guess was an innocent participation. Yikes.

    Strange days.

    Animosity rears its ugly head.

    So, how about that new Daves?

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    Sorry to disappoint you with my “spew”!
    Your very kind , thank you for letting me know how you feel. Peace be with you! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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    Hello their ProudFoot, thank you for taking a guess on who made the above statement/Quote.
    I’m sorry to say the answer is not ‘The President of the United States of America’, at this time being ‘Donald Trump’
    The Answer is, “Jim Morrison” of The Doors!
    While the the ‘Doors’ were on tour during 1970, the band and I would say in my opinion,” more so by the record label & Paul R. The Doors long term producer and along came the bands long term Recording engineer ‘Bruce Botnick’ was recording performances to make a live album that what eventually became ‘absolutely live’ double LP. Any way to get to the point of all of this, during many of the Doors performances/concerts After the “‘ Miami fiasco“ which was allegations of Jim Morrison exposing himself during the doors performance in Miami Florida 1969. When the doors returned back to touring,during many of these concerts, there was quite a few Attendees who would make “shout outs & many hecklers not so much towards the Doors but more towards Jim and his supposed public nakedness! At times Jim would make say comebacks. And Jim Morrison was recorded saying my Quote In question during a performance where he responded to one of these hecklers and cat collars cat calls, lol , Jim Morrison had a weird Sense of humor and. At another performance Jim Morrison asked one hecklerif ...”if he’d taken a good shit lately ?! Like I said Jim could go out there sometimes!
    Theirs a famous recording Of Jim speaking about democracy versus astrology added to the Doors infamous song ‘Roadhouses blues” which was recorded During the 1970 ‘Boston arena’ performances if I remember remember correctly. What was my whole point of it all it was really all about the recent heckling of the next Dave’s Picks 36 being two performances from 1987 and how some fans can actually believe nothen good came from the 80s. I think to really ‘get’ the Grateful dead one has to keep an open minded attitude. Like Jerry Garcia more than once stating “the dead isn’t for everyone; it’s like licorice!”
    Believe it or not Jim Morrison felt the same way with his work with the ‘Doors’. Jim was once quoted saying,” the Doors is a band people Love to hate” lol ha ha! well that was the reason for my post, it had nothen to due or towards member ‘Butch’ it was a reflection on his recent post stating all the “disappointment among many fans of the band & subscribers of the Dave’s Picks 2020 Yearly prescription in the Dave’s Picks series. To this date , there’s been only three 80’s picks out of 35 picks so far in the series.
    I don’t understand how my post could be looked at as an. Offense to a member but that was not my intention at all so to Butch if you were thinking I was making a personal attack on you the truth of the matter I truly didn’t mean it to look that way if or it seems you believe so. and I really didn’t. sorry if you feel/felt Differently againI only wish you peace. Your name calling don’t bother me I just believe it doesn’t belong on this grateful little community forum we all seem to enjoy. Again it’s over with and I’ve moved on , I hope I cleared some thing up for you butch . Take care & have a grateful day butch and to everyone else here. Be safe be kind and keep on truck’n all you beautiful people out there in deadland!
    🙏❤️💀🌹

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    Man, I need some more popcorn!

  • proudfoot
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    Watching Live Rescue tv show

    A segment takes place in....

    Gainesville!

  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Thank you both.

    Butch - for using your ears alone to provide an accurate assessment of the band over the years.

    LMG - for not changing your icon. I rely on that beacon to scroll past your spew.

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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12/3/79

I have the show on as background music for an on-line training where I just have to listen.

Terrapin allllmost comes to a complete stop.

sounds a group of sloths playing

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry: much love to you; so sad you got "Horse" disease. A true tragedy.

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isn't heading Boris Johnson's house??

And Vguy, please don't stop the "jokes"... it's the little things now and a silly smile is worth a million [fill in whether you value love or money and state the denomination...]

A penguin is driving down the road and can feel something is not right with his car...he sees a repair shop and pulls in...he tells the mechanic something's wrong but I'm not sure what...the mechanic tells him "ok give me about an hour to check it out"...the penguin goes out on the street, looks around and sees an ice cream shop...he goes in and orders an extra large dish of vanilla bean ice cream and starts dipping his beak into it, enjoying the ice cream...later on he goes back to the repair shop, the mechanic looks up from what he is doing and tells the penguin "looks like you blew a seal"...the penguin shrugs, wipes his bill on his shoulder and sez "Nah, it's only ice cream..."

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mm...okay, that's pretty good-

Always loved a good joke, thanks for the laughter, it feels grateful! ... What would you rather have? a five dollar foot long or a free 8 inches?
I’m sorry, that’s the last joke I ever tell. Love them just don’t have any...lol

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Moses, my apologies! I forgot what your avatar was and started using it a few months back when I made my first trip through the E72 box and saw the cover for 5/18. I've changed it now, as you can see. Can't show up at prom in the same dress as someone else! How gauche.

SJButler--I would also get Charlie's Angels trading cards, even though I had never been allowed to watch the show. I eventually traded for a card that had Farah standing naked behind a bush, which was the best card anyone at our school had.

I was at a party in the B.C. times (Before Covid), and these two guys were talking about how they were sure that the original Star Wars (yes, I had trading cards of that, too) came out in 1979. After a while I calmly stated, "The original SW came out on 5/25/77." The only reason I know that is because of DaP1. The one guy kind of accepted that, but the other (who had been busy all night brashly telling everyone all the "facts" in his head) glared at me and said, "I think it came out in 1979." I demurely said, "You may think that, but you'll be wrong . . . " with a little bit of tease in my voice. I was about to tell them how I had that date memorized, but the know-it-all glared harder at me and stormed off before I could explain how I wasn't being rude but was just trying to needle him a bit. Oh, well. The other people grinned, as they had grown tired of the blowhard anyway.

p.s. Casey--How 'bout them Twins, eh? :)

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Couple days late on this but did anybody listen to TIGDH on SiriusXM a couple days ago? Dave was talking about some 8 track recordings From ‘68 that were ultimately set aside when the then state of the art 16 track machines came out. Dave went on to say that we’d be seeing these 8 track recordings “soon”. He didn’t give much more and I got the impression it would more of a one off release vs a full box set or anything. Maybe a RSD release or something but that was my take and he was off the subject within a few seconds. The date of these specific recordings was 8.21.68 but assume there are more multitrack tapes from the same effort.

Did anybody else hear the same thing?

What ever it is it would be great. I went back and loaded up the Tahoe Bowl stuff from February ‘68 (DiP 22 of I’m thinking of correctly). Smoking stuff!

Seems like there is a bunch of pending stuff (AB50, Dap 36, maybe a fall box???) so maybe what I heard was more what I wanted to hear Dave say....

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I didn't hear Dave talking about it, but maybe he was referring to the Aoxomoxoa outakes. I believe they started recording in 8 track and then 16 track came along and they started over. I would love it if they released the Aixomoxoa outakes, or any thing from 1968. I would love to see some of the tour of the Great Pacific Northwest be released. Thanks for the post GreenMtnDead , it's encouraging.

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...next Boxset , is the 5LP’s Buffalo 77’ performance on 9 sides , the 10th side is an Etching! They used the original analog tapes/ recordings which in my opinion, makes this one of the best sounding release to date on vinyl . this Vinyl release is easily included in the top 5 Primo audio records ever released by the dead & team to date. Only 7700 will be issued / released , I would Recommend every fan to buy one and even if you don’t have a turntable this just make might make you start looking for one because magical things will happen My brother and sisters! 🙏❤️💀🌹

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Green Mtn Dead - I might be wrong, but I think it was part of this show that was due to come out on vinyl with that comic-Origins. It would be good to see it released on vinyl or cd.

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Ha, ya they just beat up on my Royals pretty good. Young arms aren’t quite up to par yet, but I think this COVID shortened season will do them some good while providing some necessary experience on the big stage. Good luck to the Twins! As mentioned before I think the division is theirs for the taking!!!!

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Tasty

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Daverock -

You nailed it - The 8.21.68 show is coming with the Origins on vinyl if you get the Deluxe set. Would love to see that come out on CD (sorry, I'm just not a vinyl guy). I was surprised a year or two ago when the '80 Warfield acoustic sets that were originally RSD releases showed up as a general release. So maybe this vinyl release will show up on CD.

Crazy Fingers Crossed......

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A couple days ago I got to give Dave's 35 a focused and loud listen, and I really enjoyed it. The scarlet/fire has some really peaking moments. I had not heard this show before the release and I think it is right up there for me as a favorite from the 83 - 85 period. I think it's one of the better 80s releases that has come out. The filler from the night before is also excellent.

Can anyone recommend any other standout Scarlet/Fires from 84 or 85?

What about other great shows from 84, besides Augusta?

I listened to a Frost 85 show to get ready for this release and I enjoyed that one quite a bit also, Scarlet>Eyes!

Cheers Ya'll

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I believe they recorded the Pacific Northwest run on Multitrack (8 Track) in Jan/Feb 68. Didn't Lemieux mention that these 8 tracks were found in someone's attic or returned or something.. or perhaps found in a hidden pile in the vault. There is some mysterious history here that I cannot quite put my finger on. ..but if someone is talking about a release of 68 multi-tracks I got the feeling they did not release everything they had when Road Trips Vol 2 No 2 came out (2/14/68 Carousel Ballroom).

Talk of this makes my day, a new multi-track 68 release would at least in part make up for the shitstorm that 2020 has become.

Prof, agree that #35 seems by some to have become unjustly maligned. It has it's moments.

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It’s not like I’m heading to Dubai or India anytime soon, so I don’t need any escorts.
But a maul, oh man!

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Wow, that guy has everything, and he’s actively posting right now on a variety of boards.
Sounds like he knows his synthetic motor oil too.
Wonder if he could give us a review on DaP 1-35?

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I'm gonna ask Dave one question:

"Do you think that you could make it with Frankenstein?"

Where is that from? Answer correctly, and you could win A NEW CAR!

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New York Dolls 1st album. It still gets played when the time is right. You may want to investigate 'A Hard Night's Day', demos for all of the first album and half of the 2nd. It has a suitably rougher sound than the official releases. Though I have many of his albums, Todd Rundgren wasn't the best choice for producing the 1st album imho.

They were quite hip in England circa 1973. Legendary appearance on the T.V show "The Old Grey Whistle Test," playing "Looking For a Kiss" and "Jet Boy"- priceless. A visibily rankled Bob Harris-the host of the show-sums them up as "mock rock".
Due to Nick Kent writing for the New Musical Express, my vision of top of the range American rock in the early 70s was formed in the image of Iggy and the Stooges, MC5, Flamin' Groovies and the Dolls. All leading to Patti Smith, Televison and The Ramones in 75-76. Which gave birth to British punk. Which wasn't as good.

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Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there. I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry;
I am not there. I did not die.
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I wasn’t too in to that Glam Rock scene with the Dolls, but I had a couple of friends who were pretty in to Mott The Hoople, so we ventured out to see them when they came through town in ‘74 (Kansas opened - kind of a mismatch there). Mick Ralphs had left the band then, replaced by Spooky Tooth guitarist Ariel Bender (an alias, for contractual reasons), and I have to admit, not a bad show. Ian Hunter was quite the showman.

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Yet another band who have accompanied me through life-great singles and albums. I wasn't actually into glam culture as such-just the records, which coincided with my mid teens. Alice Cooper were another American band from that era , the most visible in England , courtesy of "Schools Out", who seemed to have the right idea.

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Winning the 'prize' is enough! (LOL)...how about if we donate it to USPS? They can use all the help they can get...as long as it's not used to ferry Louis DeJoy back and forth to work!

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I have never been able to figure out how they decide what number of a limited edition you get. Probably because I have normally been on the wrong end of the numbering system for most limited items. I am now baffled in a good way. Decided to treat myself to a gift and ordered the Pacific Northwest box. Internet says there are less than 1500 left so I figured I better pull the trigger. Was just blessed with receiving #136 out of 15,000. I promise I won't complain about receiving high numbers anymore!

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about Scarlet > Fire from 84 and 85

6 18 83 needs to be included

6 21 84
3 28 85
7 13 84 scarlet touch fire
4 20 84
12 31 84

3 10 81

A CM Board...

Grateful Dead
Berkeley Community Theatre
Berkeley, CA
August 24, 1972

Set 1:
d1t01 - Promised Land
d1t02 - Sugaree
d1t03 - Jack Straw
d1t04 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t05 - I Know You Rider
d1t06 - Me And My Uncle
d1t07 - Bird Song
d1t08 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t09 - Tennessee Jed
d1t10 - Playing In The Band
d2t01 - Casey Jones

Set 2:
d2t02 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
d2t03 - Mexicali Blues
d2t04 - Brown Eyed Women
d2t05 - Truckin'
d2t06 - Dark Star ->
d2t07 - Morning Dew
d3t01 - Sugar Magnolia
d3t02 - Ramble On Rose
d3t03 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d3t04 - Sing Me Back Home
d3t05 - One More Saturday Night
--Encore--
d3t06 - Uncle John's Band

Assuming that the lower number Boxes get put together first, they would also be on the first pallets loaded during manufacturing, and then placed somewhere in the warehouse with other pallets in front of them. Distribution then starts at the higher numbers which came off the assembly line later and the pallets sit in front of the pallets with lower numbers. They then start shipping the higher numbers and work toward the lower numbers.
Your hesitation paid off.

Of course, CD 00001 gets dropped on a spindle, and 00002 gets dropped on top of it, and it keeps going.
CD 22000, which sits at the top of the pile after manufacturing, gets put in CD holder 00001, assuming that the number gets printed right before the shrink wrap goes on.

To further complicate things, if more than one production line is running, say 4 lines for a 20000 unit release, then there are 4 ‘first-units’.

When people fill orders they just grab off of the pile, most likely with no thought of the number they are giving you.

This is pure speculation, I am not a paid attorney spokesperson.

Congrats on the low number!

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Apparently the trolls are still running wild on this string and you know who you are. Don't take the bait!

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