Dave’s Picks Volume 35: Philadelphia Civic Center, Philadelphia, PA 4/20/84

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July 16, 2020 - 9:34am

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clayv

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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October 2, 2020 - 7:57am

#341

JimInMD

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Agree w/ Daverock (and others)

... but it always seemed obvious to me, I am not surprised. I am ok with this pick. My wow factor is between 68 through 74. ..but I enjoy hot shows from all years and eras. I am familiar with these shows, I love their mid to late 80's take on Desolation Row for example, it's got a Dew, a Cumberland. We can't be surprised to see these shows get released.

What I do find surprising is where it is in the rotation and on the biggest subscription year so far. The marketing part of my mind thinks this will affect their ability to so gracefully hit the 22k mark next year, time will tell. I would go so far to say they probably could have done a better job mixing things up the last 9 years and could have done a better job mixing it up this year too. As unpredictability affects the stock market, it might just affect their subscription market. Finally, I really hope (wish) that if they are going to release more of these cassette masters that they do a little better job remastering them. #35 sounded 'pretty good' but I have to believe the more qualified (and considerate) posters here that warned it was not quite pitch corrected. I wonder out loud if there are issues with other aspects of the cleanup and restoration efforts in these years (dolby vs not etc).

Not a rant.. I am ok with this release just curious to the timing, etc. Did someone mention 12/18/1973? (hehe)
October 2, 2020 - 7:48am

#342

80sfan

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last release of the year

I might be reading this wrong, but i don't think it's fair to suggest Dave chooses potentially undesirable shows once people have paid their money. In fact he released some pretty amazing shows for the 3rd and 4th picks of the year:

#32 - March 1973
#31 - Dec 1979
#28 - June 1976
#27 - Sept 1983
#24 - Aug 1972
#23 - Jan 1978
#20 - Dec 1981
#19 - Jan 1970
#16 - March 1973
#15 - April 1978
#12 - Nov 1977
#11 - Nov 1972
#8 - Nov 1980
#7 - Apr 1978
#4 - Sept 76
#3 - Oct 1971

Again, i might be missing the point, but while this year is different in that there are back to back 80s releases, historically the 3rd and 4th picks of the year include some pretty amazing shows spanning the dead's history.
October 2, 2020 - 7:34am

#343

Jack_O_Roses 0420

Joined:
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DaP's 36

If a 1987 show is to be the release for this episode of Dave's Picks, why didn't he choose the two nights BEFORE this, from Hampton? Great Googly-Moogly, the 03/24/1987 show has the most off-the-hook Terrapin EVER! If there was going to be a 1987 show released by this series, I was really hoping it would be this Hampton Show. I was there, that Terrapin had the entire crowd pushed to the back of the Coliseum like those old Maxell ads showing the music blowing the guy in the chair back.
October 2, 2020 - 7:32am

#344

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

Manipulative?

Daverock, do you feel that you have been taken advantage of?

I agree with your suggestion, Dave should pick a 1991 show for DaP 37 and announce it when early bird subscriptions start, and not announce what DaP 38 and the bonus disc are until April when it is ready to go on sale.
October 2, 2020 - 6:32am

#345

daverock

Joined:
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Proof and pudding

It's always open to debate when you judge someone's motives on the basis on their actions. In this case, the honourable thing for Dave Lemieux to do would be to release two shows from the 1979-1995 timespan to open the season on Dave's Picks 2021. That would be an open demonstration that he genuinely believes shows from this era are as valid as the ones preceding it. If he goes back to 1969-1974, then...
Announcing all four shows to be released would be a bonus-but again, I think the reason this isn't done is because they are fearful that subscription numbers would drop if people knew what they would be shelling out for.
As I have said before-the 1960s are shockingly underrepresented in this series. Many unreleased great shows there, I would have thought.
October 2, 2020 - 6:11am

#346

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
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Dave and Heartbreak

Count me in as skeptical. This release seems like Dave’s gift to himself. I saw six shows of this tour, including the first night of Hartford. None of them were overly memorable. More like a few highlights here and there. Have not listened to any of that tour since seeing the shows. If I recall, 3/26 had a cool Midnight Hour/Cold Rain opener, a nice Birdsong and a high energy China/Rider.

Dave has done a superb job, but the supply of quality shows is certainly dwindling. I will give the subscription one more year and then likely revert to a la carte.

Seattle Kraken - not a huge fan of the name, but the jersey design is tremendous. They really look nice. By the way, congrats to the Lightning. Way to go Jon. You are a first class guy.
October 2, 2020 - 6:10am

#347

80sfan

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87?

Weird, i usually get the emails but apparently missed this one (better check that i'm still on their list).

If the next Dave's is indeed from 1987 i think that's cool. The boys were really energized in 87 and a quick glance at those set lists makes me pretty excited to hear it (must admit i'm unfamiliar with those shows).

Dave has always advertised that this series will represent every era of the band. It just took some time to ramp up the Brent era picks. There is some risk subscribing to a series where you only know 50% of the releases in advance. Some people hope and pray for no 80s shows, while others would like some variety from the usual 70s shows (no matter how great they are). After 36 picks i think it's safe to say there is something for everyone.

They are certainly making enough of these now where you can choose not to subscribe and still have a great shot at getting the releases you want (as long as you don't care about the annual bonus disc).
October 2, 2020 - 5:50am

#348

DeadVikes

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The Comeback

Jerry's comeback after the coma was one of the best stories of the 30 year run of the Dead. I feel for the people that don't like their music past (pick your year). Bob Weir considers the late eighties through Brent's passing some of the best playing they ever had, but what does he know??
#32 was from the Spectrum 3/24/1973. Oh and a great show.
October 2, 2020 - 5:18am

#349

simonrob

Joined:
June 7, 2007

Manipulative?

Daverock, I hope you are wrong about this. I think it is too early to tell, however, to support your theory, one of the last two releases from last year was from December '79 and all '80s releases have come in the second half of the year which suggests that indeed the potentially problematic releases are being released in the second half of the year, when nobody knows in advance what those releases will be. By problematic, I mean releases that were recorded on cassette tapes where the sound quality is barely acceptable or where Jerry's voice is so shot that it makes one cringe. We know that most of the top notch shows have already been released and it seems reasonable to assume that the great shows that are still to be released will come out in the first half of the year. It also seems reasonable to assume that this is due to the marketing policy of the Rhino bean counters. The bottom line is that Rhino are just another commercial enterprise and as such, making as much money as possible is the reason for their existence. Call me cynical if you like, but my cynicism comes from age and experience. Grumpy old men rule!
October 2, 2020 - 4:19am

#350

daverock

Joined:
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Mr Heartbreaker- spot on

Your last post sums up how I feel about this release pretty well. 1987 after 1984 is taking the proverbial. The fact that Dave's Picks 37-and 38, for that matter-will quite likely be from stellar years underlines to me how manipulative this series has become. I feel like stopping subscribing - but then it wouldn't surprise me if 37 and 38 are from 1972 or 1969-with a bonus disc chucked with one of them. This will clearly be an attempt to keep people like me subscribing, and buying shows that they otherwise wouldn't buy. A la carte seems the way to go. I gave up smoking, so surely I can give up subscribing.

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

and now Dave's 31

12/3/79

I have the show on as background music for an on-line training where I just have to listen.

Terrapin allllmost comes to a complete stop.

sounds a group of sloths playing

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry: much love to you; so sad you got "Horse" disease. A true tragedy.

November asteroid....

....it's only 6.5 ft long. Tis but a flesh wound.

Hey SimonRob, are you sure that that asteroid...

isn't heading Boris Johnson's house??

And Vguy, please don't stop the "jokes"... it's the little things now and a silly smile is worth a million [fill in whether you value love or money and state the denomination...]

Hendrix Freak/ Hang Together

Hendrix freak Im right with you, Hang together or hang seperatly.

Genie: I will grant you 3 wishes....

....Me: I wish for a world without lawyers
Genie: Done. You have no more wishes.
Me: But you said i get 3.
Genie: Sue me.

VGuy72

You crack me up!

Why do golf announcers whisper?....

....because they don't want to wake up the people watching.

To this day, the boy that used to bully me at school....

....still takes my lunch money.
On the plus side, he makes great Subway sandwiches.

If you date twin girls, and one of them smokes weed....

....is that like getting two birds with one stoned?
OK. I'm done for now.

what do you call in utero twins?

Womb mates.

hey , where you going?

7/21/84

one afternoon, long ago, I was there.

Shakedown Street opener, babies

For Vguy72...

A penguin is driving down the road and can feel something is not right with his car...he sees a repair shop and pulls in...he tells the mechanic something's wrong but I'm not sure what...the mechanic tells him "ok give me about an hour to check it out"...the penguin goes out on the street, looks around and sees an ice cream shop...he goes in and orders an extra large dish of vanilla bean ice cream and starts dipping his beak into it, enjoying the ice cream...later on he goes back to the repair shop, the mechanic looks up from what he is doing and tells the penguin "looks like you blew a seal"...the penguin shrugs, wipes his bill on his shoulder and sez "Nah, it's only ice cream..."

Blowing a seal....

....nice.

blown seal

mm...okay, that's pretty good-

What did one dinosaur say to the other?

Don't worry, its only 6.5 ft long. 🦕🦖

Take that whatever way you want.

*Re/ vguy & jokes

Always loved a good joke, thanks for the laughter, it feels grateful! ... What would you rather have? a five dollar foot long or a free 8 inches?
I’m sorry, that’s the last joke I ever tell. Love them just don’t have any...lol

*

Thats an asteroid joke, right?....

....right??

It’s too damn hot...

“It’s too damn hot for a penguin to be just walkin’ around here”

-Billy Madison

Moses--SJButler--DaP1 story

Moses, my apologies! I forgot what your avatar was and started using it a few months back when I made my first trip through the E72 box and saw the cover for 5/18. I've changed it now, as you can see. Can't show up at prom in the same dress as someone else! How gauche.

SJButler--I would also get Charlie's Angels trading cards, even though I had never been allowed to watch the show. I eventually traded for a card that had Farah standing naked behind a bush, which was the best card anyone at our school had.

I was at a party in the B.C. times (Before Covid), and these two guys were talking about how they were sure that the original Star Wars (yes, I had trading cards of that, too) came out in 1979. After a while I calmly stated, "The original SW came out on 5/25/77." The only reason I know that is because of DaP1. The one guy kind of accepted that, but the other (who had been busy all night brashly telling everyone all the "facts" in his head) glared at me and said, "I think it came out in 1979." I demurely said, "You may think that, but you'll be wrong . . . " with a little bit of tease in my voice. I was about to tell them how I had that date memorized, but the know-it-all glared harder at me and stormed off before I could explain how I wasn't being rude but was just trying to needle him a bit. Oh, well. The other people grinned, as they had grown tired of the blowhard anyway.

p.s. Casey--How 'bout them Twins, eh? :)

8.21.68

Couple days late on this but did anybody listen to TIGDH on SiriusXM a couple days ago? Dave was talking about some 8 track recordings From ‘68 that were ultimately set aside when the then state of the art 16 track machines came out. Dave went on to say that we’d be seeing these 8 track recordings “soon”. He didn’t give much more and I got the impression it would more of a one off release vs a full box set or anything. Maybe a RSD release or something but that was my take and he was off the subject within a few seconds. The date of these specific recordings was 8.21.68 but assume there are more multitrack tapes from the same effort.

Did anybody else hear the same thing?

What ever it is it would be great. I went back and loaded up the Tahoe Bowl stuff from February ‘68 (DiP 22 of I’m thinking of correctly). Smoking stuff!

Seems like there is a bunch of pending stuff (AB50, Dap 36, maybe a fall box???) so maybe what I heard was more what I wanted to hear Dave say....

Green Mtn Dead/ 1968 recordings

I didn't hear Dave talking about it, but maybe he was referring to the Aoxomoxoa outakes. I believe they started recording in 8 track and then 16 track came along and they started over. I would love it if they released the Aixomoxoa outakes, or any thing from 1968. I would love to see some of the tour of the Great Pacific Northwest be released. Thanks for the post GreenMtnDead , it's encouraging.

*Re/ Buffalo 77’ - RSD 2020

...next Boxset , is the 5LP’s Buffalo 77’ performance on 9 sides , the 10th side is an Etching! They used the original analog tapes/ recordings which in my opinion, makes this one of the best sounding release to date on vinyl . this Vinyl release is easily included in the top 5 Primo audio records ever released by the dead & team to date. Only 7700 will be issued / released , I would Recommend every fan to buy one and even if you don’t have a turntable this just make might make you start looking for one because magical things will happen My brother and sisters! 🙏❤️💀🌹

8.21.68

Green Mtn Dead - I might be wrong, but I think it was part of this show that was due to come out on vinyl with that comic-Origins. It would be good to see it released on vinyl or cd.

Twins

Ha, ya they just beat up on my Royals pretty good. Young arms aren’t quite up to par yet, but I think this COVID shortened season will do them some good while providing some necessary experience on the big stage. Good luck to the Twins! As mentioned before I think the division is theirs for the taking!!!!

7 22 84

Tasty

"If you could ask Dave one question..."

I would ask

Why no Greek shows?

8.21.68

Daverock -

You nailed it - The 8.21.68 show is coming with the Origins on vinyl if you get the Deluxe set. Would love to see that come out on CD (sorry, I'm just not a vinyl guy). I was surprised a year or two ago when the '80 Warfield acoustic sets that were originally RSD releases showed up as a general release. So maybe this vinyl release will show up on CD.

Crazy Fingers Crossed......

Justin Townes Earle

I haven't noticed any mention on here, apologize if I missed it. A special talent and alas another bright light going dark too soon. Wild-ass country legend Steve Earle's son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9W511HVxuY

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/justin-townes-earle-i…

\m/

This show rocks!

A couple days ago I got to give Dave's 35 a focused and loud listen, and I really enjoyed it. The scarlet/fire has some really peaking moments. I had not heard this show before the release and I think it is right up there for me as a favorite from the 83 - 85 period. I think it's one of the better 80s releases that has come out. The filler from the night before is also excellent.

Can anyone recommend any other standout Scarlet/Fires from 84 or 85?

What about other great shows from 84, besides Augusta?

I listened to a Frost 85 show to get ready for this release and I enjoyed that one quite a bit also, Scarlet>Eyes!

Cheers Ya'll

1968 8 Track Recordings

I believe they recorded the Pacific Northwest run on Multitrack (8 Track) in Jan/Feb 68. Didn't Lemieux mention that these 8 tracks were found in someone's attic or returned or something.. or perhaps found in a hidden pile in the vault. There is some mysterious history here that I cannot quite put my finger on. ..but if someone is talking about a release of 68 multi-tracks I got the feeling they did not release everything they had when Road Trips Vol 2 No 2 came out (2/14/68 Carousel Ballroom).

Talk of this makes my day, a new multi-track 68 release would at least in part make up for the shitstorm that 2020 has become.

Prof, agree that #35 seems by some to have become unjustly maligned. It has it's moments.

If you could ask Dave one question

Dave, when we getting that West Coast box set ,with the best of the Frost ,Greek and Ventura?

A maul buying guide?

Now there’s some spam one can use.
How else would I know the difference between an axe and a maul?

https://www.dead.net/forum/log

It’s not like I’m heading to Dubai or India anytime soon, so I don’t need any escorts.
But a maul, oh man!

Edit:
Wow, that guy has everything, and he’s actively posting right now on a variety of boards.
Sounds like he knows his synthetic motor oil too.
Wonder if he could give us a review on DaP 1-35?

Random obscure reference

I'm gonna ask Dave one question:

"Do you think that you could make it with Frankenstein?"

Where is that from? Answer correctly, and you could win A NEW CAR!

West Coast Box

Here here!!!!

PROUDFOOT / FRANKENSTEIN

New York Dolls 1st album. It still gets played when the time is right. You may want to investigate 'A Hard Night's Day', demos for all of the first album and half of the 2nd. It has a suitably rougher sound than the official releases. Though I have many of his albums, Todd Rundgren wasn't the best choice for producing the 1st album imho.

New York Dolls

They were quite hip in England circa 1973. Legendary appearance on the T.V show "The Old Grey Whistle Test," playing "Looking For a Kiss" and "Jet Boy"- priceless. A visibily rankled Bob Harris-the host of the show-sums them up as "mock rock".
Due to Nick Kent writing for the New Musical Express, my vision of top of the range American rock in the early 70s was formed in the image of Iggy and the Stooges, MC5, Flamin' Groovies and the Dolls. All leading to Patti Smith, Televison and The Ramones in 75-76. Which gave birth to British punk. Which wasn't as good.

1932

Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there. I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glints on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry;
I am not there. I did not die.
💀🌹

Davestrang wins!!!

your new car is in the USPS...should be there reeeeeally soon ;)))

LMG: shouldn't the title be "2020"?

183000 (so far) folks in the US would agree.

"5 to 1, baby
1 in 5
No one here
gets out alive"

so pass the refreshments, and listen to the music play

Glam Rock

I wasn’t too in to that Glam Rock scene with the Dolls, but I had a couple of friends who were pretty in to Mott The Hoople, so we ventured out to see them when they came through town in ‘74 (Kansas opened - kind of a mismatch there). Mick Ralphs had left the band then, replaced by Spooky Tooth guitarist Ariel Bender (an alias, for contractual reasons), and I have to admit, not a bad show. Ian Hunter was quite the showman.

Mott the Hoople

Yet another band who have accompanied me through life-great singles and albums. I wasn't actually into glam culture as such-just the records, which coincided with my mid teens. Alice Cooper were another American band from that era , the most visible in England , courtesy of "Schools Out", who seemed to have the right idea.

Proudfoot / New Car

Winning the 'prize' is enough! (LOL)...how about if we donate it to USPS? They can use all the help they can get...as long as it's not used to ferry Louis DeJoy back and forth to work!

I have never been able to…

I have never been able to figure out how they decide what number of a limited edition you get. Probably because I have normally been on the wrong end of the numbering system for most limited items. I am now baffled in a good way. Decided to treat myself to a gift and ordered the Pacific Northwest box. Internet says there are less than 1500 left so I figured I better pull the trigger. Was just blessed with receiving #136 out of 15,000. I promise I won't complain about receiving high numbers anymore!

Numbers

I would assume it's random, but never assume, they say.

PNW box: splendid choice

7 22 84 Terrapin

:)))

Someone recently asked...

about Scarlet > Fire from 84 and 85

6 18 83 needs to be included

6 21 84
3 28 85
7 13 84 scarlet touch fire
4 20 84
12 31 84

3 10 81

my belated anniversary listen today...

A CM Board...

Grateful Dead
Berkeley Community Theatre
Berkeley, CA
August 24, 1972

Set 1:
d1t01 - Promised Land
d1t02 - Sugaree
d1t03 - Jack Straw
d1t04 - China Cat Sunflower ->
d1t05 - I Know You Rider
d1t06 - Me And My Uncle
d1t07 - Bird Song
d1t08 - Beat It On Down The Line
d1t09 - Tennessee Jed
d1t10 - Playing In The Band
d2t01 - Casey Jones

Set 2:
d2t02 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo
d2t03 - Mexicali Blues
d2t04 - Brown Eyed Women
d2t05 - Truckin'
d2t06 - Dark Star ->
d2t07 - Morning Dew
d3t01 - Sugar Magnolia
d3t02 - Ramble On Rose
d3t03 - Greatest Story Ever Told
d3t04 - Sing Me Back Home
d3t05 - One More Saturday Night
--Encore--
d3t06 - Uncle John's Band

Tramjams, #’s

Assuming that the lower number Boxes get put together first, they would also be on the first pallets loaded during manufacturing, and then placed somewhere in the warehouse with other pallets in front of them. Distribution then starts at the higher numbers which came off the assembly line later and the pallets sit in front of the pallets with lower numbers. They then start shipping the higher numbers and work toward the lower numbers.
Your hesitation paid off.

Of course, CD 00001 gets dropped on a spindle, and 00002 gets dropped on top of it, and it keeps going.
CD 22000, which sits at the top of the pile after manufacturing, gets put in CD holder 00001, assuming that the number gets printed right before the shrink wrap goes on.

To further complicate things, if more than one production line is running, say 4 lines for a 20000 unit release, then there are 4 ‘first-units’.

When people fill orders they just grab off of the pile, most likely with no thought of the number they are giving you.

This is pure speculation, I am not a paid attorney spokesperson.

Congrats on the low number!