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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #1081
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    Now and again these things just got to be...

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    "What about Gainesville?"

    That would be a good daves36

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    Dave's Picks 35

    I have to say that 3rd disc was trancendal. Driving to work this morning into a very thick cloud bank, and that Morning Dew came on. It seemed so relevant at the time almost made me late for work. The double Chuck Berry and the China Cat wasn't shabby either.

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    Dolby B, C or off with Sony D-6

    I first started recording shows with a simple setup. Nakamichi 300 shotgun's and a Sony D-6 cassette. I was taught that we should record with Dolby B switched ON and play-back with it switched OFF. I made many metal masters this way and today I play them back on a home Denon cassette deck or the original Sony. They sound fine with little or no hiss. I found that using Dolby C was too much. This is what parts of disc 1 sound like to me.

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    Grateful Dead 1972. It Hurts Me Too.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BBCGLBYlbSo. I think the Dead were at their peak in 1972 when Pig Pen was still in the band. 1970 or 1972, it's hard to say. When it comes to slide playing , Garcia is my favorite. I'm. waiting for some beer to arrive, I ordered some online from the Humble Sea Brewery in Santa Cruz , Calif, they are supposed to make some great beer. I can't wait to try it.

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    Why they do it...

    I think it’s to ensure they get a fixed, definitive number of sales for the series. Currently at 22K, which seems to be proper as the last 2 didn’t sell out immediately, which helps those that want to go ala carte.
    But perhaps the real problems is the limited edition factor. They use FOMO to cause a panic, both with the limited addition and the bonus disc. Sure the (supposedly guaranteed copy), the bonus disc and reduced shipping are the carrot to go subscription, but I think the Road Trip and Download series were a disappointment to them. I think their worried that if they only go ala carte, sales could occasionally be so low they’d loose money...or they probably wouldn’t take chances on some shows and only go with the usual.
    I’m sure that would make many happy, but I bet there’d be enough folks turned away by a limited distribution model that the overall bottom line would suffer too much.
    As far as the “B” shows, I think their trying to cover as much ground as possible to shut those of us up who’ve complained about the lack of variety, though it does make it easier for them to control the flow of “A” shows by doling them out slower using these other shows. I think Jim has a theory about that with bigger box sets too: throw a show or 2 in the mix that might not be overwhelming on its own etc...
    Remember, their trying to make as many people happy as possible, never an easy task: sure some folks only dig say 60s early seventies for example, but what about folks who only like later eras? I think it’s a mix of what market trends are strongest, while trying to occasionally cast a wider net, dependent on what tapes are usable, and of course implementing as many of the returned ABCD stuff as they can to recoup the costs. I think there is a “taper” bias that Dave suffers from too that probably plays into it, but as he’s alluded too, I don’t think it’s just him making the final decisions. I’m guessing he’s more of an R&D guy?

    Personally, I think that for the lousy Hundo or whatever the sub costs, it’s not that big a deal, and if you don’t like a pick you can easily pass it on or sell it. To me, even 2 killers shows and bonus, with1 or 2 “lesser” (personally I think they all have something to offer but I know that’s not necessarily the majority here) is still a pretty good deal comparatively.

    I can understand folks across the pond being turned off by not only the extra tax BS, but more importantly the not knowing how much it’ll be as there seems to be less consistency with that, and shipping in general! I think the chaos, stress, and not knowing are the hardest part. This is supposed to be fun, not some stress fest about if, when, and how something not only you really dig, but paid for, is even going to show up, and if/when it does some government wanker holds it for ransom! Things have definitely changed for the worst the last few years BEFORE the vid, or Agent Orange etc...that’s just made it worse....
    So what to do about it?

    I still say they should eliminate the limited additions, and go pre-sale. That way they can run however much production an individual show requires, plus a few more for latecomers. People who want the show can get it, those that don’t can pass, and the corporation never should lose money (they just might not always make as much profit?)

    So that, plus give us other shipping options, and figure out how to fix the European tax BS!
    Just a thought....surely I’m wrong.

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    They have me as long as they keep doing it and I keep breathing. In my more lucid moments I think that the GD were a bar band they got lucky, but when I listen to the music there are a few minutes in every release that are transcendent which make the listening worthwhile so I’ll keep buying.

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    I concur Daverock

    Never really liked the subscription thing either, why don't the powers that be tell us up front what's next and let us make an informed decision as to what we want when it comes to shows? I think the whole bonus disc thing is just a way to get folks to buy the subscription, and the limited edition thing too. So you get #3 and #4 without knowing what they will be and they can pass off shows that are not really up to par as far as a stand alone release. So for your 100 bucks you get two shows and a bonus disc that you know are good shows, then the last two can be hit or miss. Makes me think they have more par or subpar shows than top notch shows to release. Sound wise more likely than performance wise, I've always said most any dead show is better than whats on the airwaves.

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    Right on Mr. Freak

    couldn't have said it better and you nailed what the Grateful Dead are all about. I also think that at a particular time in space that certain version on that particular day is what triggers a synapse in your brain and you akin it to euphoria? You love that feeling and you want it again and again, so that particular version on that day is the "one" to you.
    I can also relate to the times I was dosed and certain shows would play and they would stay with me and the relistening of those certain songs in that order sometimes would allow me to slip back to that moment when the light was turned on and the love for that version of that tune was implanted.
    I don't know but I've been told....
    4-7-91 GD live in Orlando
    4-8-91 see above
    4-9-91 what a great run this show was an add on after the first two sold out in 20 mins. back in the day when you waited in line to get your tickets, camped out overnite at the ticket vendor to get first in lineies. those were the days.

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    Yes, mine arrived at c. 11:30am on 18th August in NW England between Liverpool and Manchester. GMT is 5 hours ahead of EST at the moment so about 6:30am your time. I’ll let it sit for a couple of days before playing it.

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    Why?

    Its presumably a money making ploy.. but I wonder why they can't release specific shows, individually and advertised before hand, so we know what we are being offered. Then we wouldn't be paying for ones we don't want. I get the impression, reading the posts on here, that most people would buy most releases. If they wouldn't, why manipulate them into buying what they don't want through this subscription system, with only two shows announced at the time its necessary to subscribe? I've done it since day one...but its getting a bit worn-especially with the hidden charges already alluded to.

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 08/26/2020 - 16:48

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...that’s a beautiful thing to say & yes I concur, 2020 could be used as well for a title, right on my cosmic friend & brother! Love out lives us all. Peace be with you all! Be safe be Kind.
🙏❤️😔

...where are these trolls & why are they following the Grateful Dead? Do you mean Freaks? Lol 🙃🙏💀🌹

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Submitted by Dogon on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 02:10

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Mott the Hoople were a great live band before the glam era, we used to follow them around their gigs in little clubs around London. Listen to the second album, Thunderbuck Ram!
When their first album was released there was even speculation that it was a Dylan comeback album! Dylan being missing in action at the time after his bike accident if my adled memory serves me well.
I never could stand Bowie so I thought the Young Dudes era was crap. BUT: it did give Bob Segarini the name of his Canadian super group the Dudes after the break up of his fantastic band, the Wackers.
Wackering Heights anyone?

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 03:33

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There was a great box set of Mott the Hoople's first 4 albums that came out a few years ago, called "Mental Train". It has loads of bonus material, as well as two extra cds-one of which features a live concert from the Fairfield Hall Croydon September 13th 1970. Going off that, I can well believe their power as a live band - gives The Who's "Live at Leeds" a run for its money. This concert used to be available as a stand alone release. They only came to my attention in 1972, so I missed all this at the time. I never saw the original band live.

Ian Hunter is a much underrated songwriter, by my reckoning. To this day, there are songs he wrote that move me-the album "Wildlife" has two-"Angel of 8th Avenue" and the beautiful "Waterlow". Even in the Bowie years, underneath all the bluster, he wrote some amazing songs-often tucked away on B sides. "Rose" and "Rest in Peace"-come to mind. Like ballads by The Stones. Only better.

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Submitted by Tramjams on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 05:26

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5-9-77
I have had this debate with friends for years who think, as many others do, that Cornell is the ultimate show in this run. Or maybe the ultimate show in any run. I love Cornell but have always been partial to 5-9. It also contains my very favorite Comes A Time that I have ever heard. I just think 5-9 gets overlooked because of the night before. Sure that is the case with many other shows as well.

I have to concur! 5/9/77 is where it’s at for me as well! Primo performances from the whole group and sound quality is the “best of the best” in my humble opinion. You ‘hit the nail right on The head’, an excellent performance of “comes a time” , maybe one of the best for my taste buds!
I can’t press enough, lol, find yourself a copy and let it rock your soul! Have a grateful day everyone! 🙏💀🌹

It's off to drive I go...after doing an LA burn run this past weekend (1,100 miles r/t) I now have to do a 260 mile r/t to Prescott Valley AZ to pick up my new La Z Boy recliner...my old one gave up the ghost a few weeks ago...been sitting at weird angles...all I can say is play it LOUD there and back...

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 11:07

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Icecrmcnkd...thanks for the heads up about Hawkwind. They are both great albums-BBC 1972 is one I will be going for. It features the classic line up. The other release, Quark Strangeness and Charm is one of the best albums they made after Lemmy left.

There is also Gong Live in Sheffield 1974 which is as high as the sky.

5/9/77 is also my favourite Dead show from THAT run, so I may well be a poorer man come September !

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 12:13

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Quark,Strangeness and Charm is a great album. Highly recommended. One of my wife’s favourite memories of Hawkwind was seeing them in Manchester around the time of this album with Bob Calvert marching rapidly across the stage under strobe lighting hacking a flag to pieces with a sword. The music was great too.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 13:50

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we're talkin' multi-tracks from '68????????????????????

Okay, that 8-21-68 with the silly "Origins" book should be available on CD to all. Then ... what? Is that the multi-track in question or is there more? And if it's "soon," then WHEN???

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 14:15

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Colin - I was there, too. Probably. UMIST or The Palace ?-maybe Salford University. I never made note of when I saw them, but I always did if I knew about it. From 1973 to 2019. This is quite likely the first year in 47 years that I have not seen them.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Thu, 08/27/2020 - 14:43

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Love this show. It's the one that turned me from casual Grateful Dead listener to fullfledged DeadHead. And a multitrack to boot. Right out of the starting gate with what I believe to be the finest Promised Land ever (5/23/72 and 5/16/72 are close behind). Bertha, Bird Song, Dark Star, China Cat Sun Rider, Playing in the Band, Deal, and just about everything else is as good as it it gets to my ears. Not a fan of Sing Me Back Home - would have preferred Truckin' or Brokedown Palace. Here we go......

My cats swear by them too...my old one lasted 13 years...kinda weird to sit in a new one...feel like I'm sitting on a phone book but it will break in soon enough ...

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 10:59

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I'm lucky if my cats even ALLOW me to sit in my favorite chair. You'd think that feeding, cleaning poop, playing and stroking might earn a little respect, but no. Apparently, these things are owed!!

Last 5:

Three Dog Night-Suitable For Framing
Mark Lindsay-Complete Singles Collection
Dave's Picks 2-only disc 1 would play :(
Santana-Borboletta
Santana-Festival

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Submitted by unkle sam on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 13:43

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Hey now I too have lazy boys and cats, just got a new lazy boy couch with a recliner on both ends and a beautiful large lazy boy recliner that is controlled by a remote control, awesome. Being an armchair warrior during this revolution that is on going, I need my lazy boy. My cats also love them, the last one that I traded in I got in 1999 and the cats kinda tore and dug and scratched the front of the arms, like cats will do, but we let them do what ever they want as long as they continue to hang around. You know you live with them, they allow you to.
Revolution music
Volunteers Jefferson Airplane "looks what's happening out in the street"
In Rock Deep Purple "wait for the ricochet"
In for the Kill Budgie "when I was born I was given a will, that the meaning of life is I'm in for the Kill"
Captain Beyond Captain Beyond "what was my armworth when they took it away"
Buffalo Springfield Buffalo Springfield "It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound, everybody look what's going down"
If I could breathe, I'd be out there....

" I'm an urban guerilla, I make bombs in my cellar / I'm society's destructor, I'm a petrol bomb constructor"-Hawkwind's follow up single to Silver Machine in 1973. It wasn't a hit, partly because it got banned by the BBC and partly because it wasn't very good. They apparently got busted by the bomb squad , too. Its great when people take you seriously.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 18:44

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Glad you agree

I was fluffing that show recently

Terrapin

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Submitted by RobbZ on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 20:03

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Then I must say, I really admire your fluff!

"Foot of Pride"...?? Robert Zimmerman I do believe......

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Submitted by wave-that-flag on Fri, 08/28/2020 - 20:16

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I liked 7-22-84 a lot as well.

Also liked Dave’s 35. Gotta put the show in order, but it’s all good.

And Foot of Pride is a solid Infidels outtake—there were many.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Sat, 08/29/2020 - 07:46

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just asking for anyone with accurate info on Dave's recent utterances, re: multi-track '68 tape release(s)...

We know there's that juicy 10-21-68 that goes with "Origins" -- is that multi-track?

Any other date(s) mentioned? Or is this idle guesswork.

As the victim/protagonist yelped in the final scene of The Fly: "Help me! Help me!"

pick up a family member. On the way I listened to 10 21 71 Dark Star > Sittin' > Dark Star. Bright moon, Jupiter, city skyline...I wait at a curbside for passenger.

At the end of DS reprise, Jerry says "go", and Bobby McGee starts. After a brief moment, my passenger opens the door.

The timing was perfect. That ol' Grateful Dead magic.

Went down to a Record Store Day in Bethel Connecticut to pick up The Who's ODDS and SODS and came upon an interesting BATCH of DAVE'S PICKS in the wrapper. I was shocked I think there was 5 or 6 of them from Dave's 30-35 or 36. These 2 brothers run the store and they do barter. So if your interested give them a holler. name of store is called Disc and Dat in Bethel CT (203) 797-0067. Also saw some LP's. Good Luck.

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Sat, 08/29/2020 - 12:02

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I'm in Denver. Now that uninterrupted 90-degree days have passed, my wall 'o morning glories that protect the backporch where I fingerpick (the guitar, not my nose) in the evenings has gone from a wall of multi-colored blooms and sun-blocking big green leaves to seed, dwindling to a few hardy flowers and otherwise entropy is running its course. I love fall for the changes, the final bloom of the cannabis plant, the cool morning temps and quickening step, but the senescence is always a little bittersweet.

Correction: I see that it's 8-21-68 (not 10-21-68) that's on vinyl for purchasers of silly comic books. So, yes, I'd like that Dark>Stephen>Death medley on CD, it's a little under ~40 minutes. Tack on another show -- those '68 shows often only run 60-75 minutes, probably set's worth on a multi-act show -- and we've got a winner. Don't think Dave will kill off (3) '68s to make a Pick, though, sadly.

I see that the downloads with the book are all previously released tracks, so no '68 multi-track raising its head there.

Dreaming of another '68 multitrack. The one in 30 Trips is due for another spin.

Cheers, stay safe all.

I put this show back together as follows:

disc 2 Space - stop 3:13
disc 3 Space - start 0:16
crossfade 00:00:30

Also crossfaded the sets.

Total show time - 160:28

Tad too long for 2 CD’s.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 08/29/2020 - 21:16

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there is a sticker you can get that is a smiling frog doing the two finger peace sign

Might be nationwide, but not sure

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Submitted by frankparry on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 01:44

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Put me in mind of the wonderful Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band - I’m the urban spaceman baby, I’ve got speed, I’ve got everything I need.

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 03:53

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Frank Parry - that was nearer the mark!

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 13:06

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Not that Dave is listening to you, but 10 shows at 2 discs each, is another freakin' $250 box, doooood!

How about a three-nighter from fall '72? $100.... Or a $100 '69 box?

Seems like we must be only a week+ away from an AB 50th pre-order, no?

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 13:34

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I'm ready, I hope they release 9/20/70 with it.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 08/30/2020 - 15:31

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If he uses 70 at all, I’m going with 9/19/70 only cause Dave had it on his original maybe “list” way back when, and if you check it out, many of the releases put out so far are on that list. I’m assuming part of that would have been determined from knowing tapes were available (and that was back in like 2012?)....I think the only other 70 shows on that list are from 1/2/70 which of course is Dave’s 30...
Obviously just speculation but it is interesting how many of those shows have come out.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 08/31/2020 - 06:23

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The Dark Star alone is reason enough. I am under the impression that there aren't any high quality tapes from 2nd half '70, due to Bear in jail.

I would be surprised to see a 10 show box set from 68/69. Maybe 3 or 4 shows is marketable. For 10 shows we're looking at 2nd half 1972, and I'm all for it. Dark Star Galore.

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Mon, 08/31/2020 - 08:47

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I would love ANYTHING from 1970, even if it was a compilation or highlights. Pickings are obviously slim, but something's got to be out there. How about the 5/24 Hollywood Festival from Newcastle England that year??I would LOVE to have a clean, crisp, clear, well mixed version of that show! The 4/15/70 show is one of my top 5 fave's from Boxzilla.

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