Grateful Dead

Oh, no! Here comes that screamin' sound again.... Bwahahahahaha!

:)))

....or it didn't happen. Gotta trust in something.
The west needs rain.

I have some plumbing supplies for sale. Cheap. 508-555-2468.

Just fooling, man.
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Thanks for the heads up, Frank. I am in town town today, and might nip in Smiths to get a copy.

Snafu - yes, the versions of Gimme Shelter circa 1995 were much better than the ones played live with Mick Taylor. Another good thing about latter day Stones live was that they varied the set lists to include songs from their back catalogue that they never played live at the time they recorded them. I can remember hearing live versions of 2000 Light years From Home, Factory Girl, Salt of the Earth, You Got The Silver, Sway and Can't You Hear Me Knocking among others. And many versions of Brown Sugar, it has to be said. I don't play their studio albums after Black and Blue much, but they all have the odd stand out track, to my ears.

I'll grab it without hesitation, just to have. I believe the outtakes will be worth it. Keithfan, the track list does show Dancing with Mr D. Maybe this is the lost version you are looking for.

I also have The Brussels Affair. I am going to guess they don't have better audio anywhere else from different shows. Otherwise why would they just recycle a concert that's been available for years. It is sure to hurt sales. I would guess either someone took a bad gamble thinking Brussels isn't as widely known in Stones circles, maybe download sales weren't that good, but remember it was also available as a bootleg before it was officially available to download. And through piracy I'm sure it spread. Everyone I know who is into the Stones has it already. So either that bad bet got taken or there really are not good tapes elsewhere.

As to where it ranks, I think the only 5 out of 5 star songs are Dancing and Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo. Angie is the poor man's Wild Horses. It's great for a ballad but it does not have staying power. It gets old after a few listens. If ever a song could have used a great Mick Taylor solo, this was it. At a show, for a ballad, I would much rather hear Winter, Worried About You, Memory Motel, Wild Horses, Ruby Tuesday, or Let's Spend the Night Together. Speaking of Winter, I think they came close to the majesty of Moonlight Mile, which I believe they were going for but just missed. Great song. 4.0 stars. Could have used a better ending section that featured some cool Mick picking and Richards coming in and trading solo fills with Taylor.

Bill is OK. He was not replaced well in my opinion. They should have hired someone to play and sound just like him. But while he's important, he's no Taylor. The example of Miss You is one of his best moments, but he's not always that prominent. His biggest strength was timing consistency, but in my opinion that is a must on any bass player's resume. It often does not work out that way in the music industry but it doesn't make him special for doing his job. MT had so much talent I would call him a technician and virtuoso. While an important part of the band, Wyman doesn't have those mad skills. The band hired him because he had equipment and transportation for them (in other words there was no real audition), and they found him replaceable often enough by Keith or MT (he only plays on three songs on Goats Head Soup and less than half the songs on Exile). And Keith is the riff master and soul of the music, but he's miles from MT. And MT is miles from Keith as a writer. I think he was coming along, but was not included often enough. And when he was he was not credited.

Smokestack Lightning - go no further than DaP 22. Everybody is locked and loaded like the last stand at the Alamo. Just listen to Jerry make those blues guitar licks sing. Pigpen howling and growling. Keith is the big X factor compared to previous versions. The missing link. He comes and goes with precision feel (unlike others who never know when to stop playing). Who did bite your little sister? He don't care if she's just 17 years of age. Schoolgirl was dropped way too soon. Is it not Pigpen who introduces the band?

Looks like AB 50th is starting to dribble out, any last guesses on what the show will be. I hopping for 9/20/70. it probably won't be, but one can hope.

Looks like 2/18/71. Happy Birthday AB..

They could not skip American Beauty's 50th Birthday. 2/18 makes sense. One of the great ones.. That Dark Star suite with the Beautiful Jam is special and recorded on glorious multi-track.. wowow stuff.

Nice. Very, very nice. Another Port Chester show. Perfect.

Now, about that second box set of the year...

....they are sneaking these Port Chester shows through, eh?
That's two in a row...makes sense to add 2/18 here given one of the other nights was included with Workingman's Dead 50th.

As Jimmy said, that Dark Star has had the masses drooling ever since So Many Roads teased the 'Beautiful Jam' segment; but the entire suite here is just top-notch stuff.

Pleased,
Sixtus

2/18/71

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2020 isn't _all_ bad.

Oh my my. Yes!

Thanks again Dead.net, you're really on a roll here with this and the previous Workingman's set.

DaP 35 was unfortunately a one and done for me, but please keep these classics like the AB50 set coming.

Yessiree, Bob! Also went for the jean jacket, which will sell out quickly.

...I'm a little down they didn't make any American Beauty themed medieval weaponry. It would have made a good companion to the Working Mans Dead hatchet.

No one messes with me and my WMD hand axe, that blade is bad ass.

More useful than the WMD hatchet.

Can’t wait to hear 2-18 in its remastered glory. Was enjoying 2-21 last night.

Got my WMG data hack letter yesterday.....
Boo!

This puts a nail in the second box set coffin.

But let's not get greedy.. the 76 box in my humble opinion exceeded expectations, whether 76 is your bag or not.. it's a great box set representing an interesting period in GD history and the sound quality is exceptional. A great box set. Then the two 50th celebrations with two glorious multi-track remasters, a great year of Dave's Picks and a Buffalo on Vinyl. Plus.. I feel like I forgot something, so add on whatever it was I forgot which apparently includes control over my credit card.. and we had a pretty good year.

Hoping the shipping fiascos smooth out and we all make it through to the other side, safe and healthy in 2021.

....plus, you can put your weeeeeeed in it.

Pretty sure that's what you were referencing without saying it, conekid. Amirite?

Sixtus

We still have one chance for a 1969 release, with Dave's 36, here's hoping for 10/31/69. The 1976 box set is absolutely fantastic, 1976 is one of my favorite Dead years. Two great 50th anniversary releases, I would have preferred two 1970 shows, but these two 1971 shows are both killer. I have a bunch of triple IPA s comming in the mail today, so except for all the smoke from the fires , life's great.

Dave delivers a goal for the win! A double-drummer with Pig era show from early '71, which somehow is exactly what we "ordered". Very happy with this selection. Somehow, it doesn't matter that it's not a show more or less directly related to AB's release/setlist.

A couple thoughts:

Looking forward to the AB disc as well as this well-regarded show/Betty Board.

DaP 36 is now wide open, but the stars begin to align for a fall '72 show. (2020 = 2x 1971, 1984, 1974, 1977)

What's Become of the ..... possible fall box? Or was that us projecting on Dave's rap on "clearing the deck" by releasing WD a bit "early"?

Me thinks that if there are a few '70 tapes lingering in the vault (we know there are, see below), that they may be partial and worthy of being curated together in some future collection. At this stage, the notion that a bunch of missing reels from 1970 will show up seems remote.

So, one possibility suggests itself to my addled mind (tequila in the coffee):

I recall that one of the Porchester '71 shows had been mixed and played live at the Capitol perhaps two years ago. So 2-18-71 may well have been mixed/mastered some time ago. The real work this year might have been Norman repairing and preparing a number of 1970 live tracks to finish the 50th anniversary of the band's best year in the studio (imagine the 18 amazing studio tracks recorded that year, lyrics mostly written by Hunter, that defined the band).

Just getting a bit wild here... because the 2001 re-releases of WD and AB contain bonus tracks from
1-10-70
1-17-70
1-24-70 (DaP 19)
4-15-70
6-6-70
10-4-70
12-23-70
12-26-70
Add the 2001 re-release bonus tracks on Bear's Choice:
2-5-70
2-8-70
And of course, 2-13 and 2-14-70.

That's about ten shows with random tracks already released.

So what if Dave & Co. decided to clear out the vault of worthy tracks from these dates as a three-to-four disc send-off to the year?

I should be amazed (and possibly ashamed) that in response to a great AB 50th announcement, I can still come up with more dreaming-of-greatness.... BUT not much capacity here for shame in the dreaming department.

That is all!

Edit: But wait, there's more! I completely forgot that the "early" announcement was the freakin' '76 box, which totally changed my attitude towards tapes from '76. JimInMD is right: be grateful, we made a huge haul in official releases this year: (4) DaPs, (5) '76 shows, (2) '71s. That's (9) complete shows with one to go.

What the hell is wrong with me??

Bummed, was really hoping for the official AB 50th crossbow! Might help with our backyard vermin problem.
First thing I saw the tin I thought joint case!
Yasss my mind is permently in the gutter....but fortunately theirs a lot of fun people down here!

EDIT: as far as another “???” this year, remember there’s still the holiday shopping season ahead. Didn’t they used to always break out new product just in time for the shopping season?

Hopefully a collection of the best of whatever 1968 exists in The Vault. That, or a Summer 1991 box.

I'm glad that folks are getting the February 1971 run fleshed out . . .

In Dave We Trust!!

Didn't see this one coming.
Thinking of how that Dark Star from 2/14/70 cropped up on the Long Strange Trip compilation a few years ago makes me wonder if they have the whole run stashed away somewhere. That would make a handy box-although interjections from the Allmans and Fleetwood Mac might scupper things. That and the fact that much of it has already come out.

I told you my brother and sisters that the release would include another 1971 concert for bonus material for the 50th American Beauty release! Get ready to shake your bones my friends! Have a grateful day everyone! 🙏❤️💀🌹🤠-pigpen!

It’s real, and it’s spectacular.

I have no actual proof, but when Dave said that June 76 had to come out in the beginning of the year to make room for something in the Fall I don’t think that he was referring to WMD and AB.

But, whatever they had planned could be delayed now due to Covid shutdown. So, maybe an announcement in a few weeks with delivery in a few months.

I would prefer that they drop the early announcements and pre-order, and just announce it the day that it becomes available for shipping.
Reduce the waiting and anticipation, and get the music to the Heads.

I do agree that a full February 1970 Fillmore East box would be cool. I love DP 4 , and with Bears Choice we get a lot of the shows. Even if 2/11 would be hard to secure because of other artists involvement, a complete 2/13 and 2/14 would do it for me.

Along those same lines, a complete April 1971 Fillmore East would also be cool. Again the Allmans and Beach Boys could make releasing all 5 shows a little tricky. I would settle for a complete 4/28 and 4/29 show.

Finally the complete October 1974 Winterland shows would be the final type of box set to remedy these great runs that have not been released in their entirety.

I am fine if this doesn't happen, as I more up for something that has not yet been released in any capacity. Still if considering the Feb. 70 shows from the Fillmore East it really seems like all of these runs should get the full release treatment.

Caddyshack has some good ideas.

Perhaps I am in the minority.. but it looks to me like the WMD and AB offerings fulfill the fall agenda. Of course I could be wrong.

...that's been partially released already is the Europe 1974 shows. One jam in particular - that leading into, constituting and moving out of Eyes of the World on 9/11 is among my favourite sequences of Dead music. I only came across this comparatively recently, but it is well worth listening to - and officially releasing.

Yes, Daverock that would be great to have a Box of Europe with the Ally Pally shows as wished for once before on this board.
It does make sense that there will be a box release happening later this year, from Dave's statement earlier this year regarding the early release of the '76 box. I'm holding off from making any other music purchases in anticipation, as much as I would like the Hawkwind RSD releases and the RS Goats Head Soup Boxset.

9 month old hp froze up on me, something to do with bios, now regulated to wife's laptop, which is ok, but i don't like using it, it's not mine :)
Agree again Daverock, Europe 74 would be a good box, also Europe 81 and Europe 90, all would be great boxes, I know, I'm a greedy little deadhead, but hey, we all want the goods, right?

Unkle Sam - my first shows were in 1981 at the Rainbow Theatre in London. Although I had a blast seeing them for the first time hearing tapes of the London shows make me think they were not particularly top rate box ready material. Although Barcelona was meant to be good and maybe the Amsterdam surprise gigs. One of the Paris shows I went to in 1990 has been released in the 30 trips box and excellent it was too. Again, I enjoyed the London shows but Garcia was clearly suffering a bad cold and it felt like the end of a slog. I’ve heard the Berlin show which was pretty darn good and worthy of a DaP release probably. It was notable for a monster Shakedown Street in honour of the Berlin Wall coming down just a year earlier.

Somewhere in the scroll/swipe screen of the main dead.net thingie, you'll find one of your bewhiskered buddies flirting with a barfly.

Also, you'll find a bug-eyed, non-bearded Uncle Sam gettin' some.

Can you find these visual gems?

Its not so easy being objective for shows I attended. I saw two in 1981, in March and October, and I also thought they were great - and would be quite chuffed if they were released. But I am not so sure how much interest they would hold for non attenders. My memory of the 1990 shows is much clearer-the first and the second shows seemed the tightest, although the Paris show in 30 Trips seems better than all three. I don't think I would buy a box from 1981 or 1990 apart from these European ones.
1974 is totally different -I didn't see any of them, but don't feel as though I need to have done to pick up the magic.

Sydney - that Hawkwind at the BBC just out on vinyl for RSD sounds superb. Another great one from them I got recently is the vinyl " Victim of Sonic Attack". Its excerpts from the Brixton 30/12/72 show which was one of the shows recorded for "Space Ritual" . It was available as "Space Ritual 2" in days gone by. But this vinyl edition is the best I have heard it.

Big Boss Man 12.5.71 Brown Eyed Women

30 song set and tons of back to back action

It Hurts Me Too * Sugaree

https://archive.org/details/gd1971-12-05.131532.miller.sbd.flac16/gd71-…

Dave L.SD hook up a 1981 box set from Europe 1981

firing up some Grateful Dead 1971 , 1976 , 1984 + JGB Fall Tour 1993 the last few days.

That June 1976 box set had some top notch jams

Playing in the Band, Let it Grow, Help on the Way Slipknot Franklins Tower, Dancing in the Streets, Eyes of the World, St. Stephen, Crazy Fingers, Cosmic Charlie.

Singles Collection?

I believe that the Dead wanted to pose on the back of American Beauty holding guns originally, but the idea was nixed. I think that the lettering was supposed to look like it read American Reality, I believe I heard that story from Stanley Mouse, correct me if I'm wrong.

Jim: Yes! You have won a bearded skeleton frying pan, complete with genuine whiskers to give your scrambled eggs that extra crunch and texture!

BTK: I am glad they didn't use images of the GD with guns.

niiiiiiice

3/21/73...3/22/73...3/24/73...3/28/73...4/2/73...

I _love_ this band.

that is true. wild art indeed. even on a web page on the 50th AB somewhere has words American Reality. I will post if i find again.

If you believe the news, I dont, or lets say grain of salt, it appears that the reality has gone bad. turn off your tv and turn on your lovelight. get em pig!

edit: reality is on 3 cd page towards end of 3 paragraph...but i saw it somewhere else yesterday, where it said reality first then beauty. maybe i was just too far above to see clearly.

May have to evacuate due to Oregon fires. What CD's to take? The most irreplaceable? The hottest performances? The smallest and lightest of these two catagories? For example the two Winterland 73 and 77 boxes are small and pretty pricey on the market...the Europe box is so big. Suggestions?

Aagh! Be safe!

Europe box
Winterland

Dear 2020:

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the following is possible:

Wrap your collection in several layers of trash bags, place in plastic storage containers, seal with duct tape, bury in ground.

Good luck.

hope it doesnt come to that. be safe...Icecream, may be a great idea.

Fillmore West, Europe72, and Winterland 1973 are must saves. Be safe and hopefully it will not come to that.

Good luck and stay safe.

Proudfoot.. I second that.

I have on good authority that the cone kid just finished digging a hole in his back yard, placed all his CDs in several of those large plastic storage containers that seal tight.. taped them securely shut with black gorilla tape for extra protection and is currently using a backhoe to cover them with several dozen tons of rainbow colored, glow in the dark ice cream. Take that 2020 forest fires from hell!!

Sorry to make light.. not meant to offend or understate the seriousness of what the left third of the country is going through right now.. unprecedented and serious shit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AcZxZDP_3Es. I saw Ray Charles play 3 times, he put on a killer show each time. Daverock, I think that American blues performers in the 1960s, guys like Muddy Waters Howlin Wolf and others were appreciated way more over in England then they were in the United States. They were treated like royalty over there not so much over here.

Zoiks! Never seen this before and thought I'd share it with you freaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8DJ5q7x5mo

Thinking of you, pal. Hope you keep safe.