Grateful Dead

Thanks Alvarhanso for that very interesting breakdown of the boys' thoughts on The Eleven. I had definitely read that before but it's interesting to hear it again with Jerry and Phil's take on the tune. When they do it well, it creates this swirling dervish of sound serpents wrapping around each other upwards, upwards, upwards in a mad frenzy. Phil tows the line but Jerry offsets the pounding with his own double-helix jamming which creates the lush tapestry we all love so much. The FW69 shows really highlight this exceptionally.

I also need to go find the 'very last eleven' someone else referenced, I don't believe I've ever heard it (or if I did, I never knew it was the last one played).

Sixtus

Has anyone gotten links for the second & third party? I got a link for the first one.

If Rhino released that same box set of shows, the fm shows from fall of 71, and I already had a bootleg copy, I don't , I would buy a copy from Rhino because they would certainly have a much better sound quality. I have tons and tons of tapes and bootleg records, but that would not stop me from buying an official release from Rhino just because I already had a copy , as their product would have far superior sound quality . I think most people feel the same way. But Rhino, seems very reluctant to release box sets from 1967 - 1971, for whatever reason. Ok, Dave and Rhino, let's start working on the Complete Recordings of April 1971, every show. Please.

Thing is I don't listen to downloads or streaming or anything like that. Just vinyl and cds now. So the FM recordings are cheap and cheerful presents to myself. I don't buy them all, by any means. Just cherry pick from the years I like. Not controversial at all...I've done worse things! I bought all the cds issued by deadnet up to about a year ago. As has been discussed before on here, they ain't cheap if you live in Europe. So I've got a bit more selective of late. I would prefer to buy 1966-1974 shows with the superior sound as issued by deadnet...but I would rather listen to one with inferior sound from that timespan to a super duper box set from a year I am not so keen on.

There has always been something attractive about bootlegs. I got my first in about 1973. They have lost much of their glamour over the years, but I still don't turn my nose up.

I'm not weighing in on the '71 bootleg controversy one way or the other.

But I think it's a fair offer.. simply because it's free. The source material from these shows is FM broadcasts which circulate freely. I'd send them to regular, semi-regular and infrequent posters here for free.. basically anyone that is not a Russian Bot or Count Vlad himself.

The music was presented free in crisp wonderful soundboard quality 49 years ago complements of GD management.. so why pay someone from Europe to package and send it to you now? Never made sense to me, these are the exact same recordings. Funny thing is.. I expect exactly one PM.. No one will take me up, yet people buy the Yellow Box for essentially a bean of hard earned currency.

Just PM me. #FreeTheReels

Edit: Trapped in a rhythm trip. That's the 11 in a nutshell. Love that tune and New Potato Caboose from 68/69.. wonderful stuff. Thanks Alvarhanso. Great post.

Thanks icecrmcnkid! You had me at those Who albums, though I have the original 1st pressing of Odds and Sods already (Put the Money Down is hands down the greatest Who song hardly anybody has heard, and Little Billy is pure genius anti-smoking ad for the American Cancer Society!) But intrigued at A Quick Live One, maybe the one from Rolling Stones Rock n Roll Circus where their single song performance outshone the Stones set and John Lennon's supergroup, or maybe a live EP?

The Ramones It's Alive II will probably be picked up, interested in the Hawkwind stuff, never had any, but Lemmy does British spacerock? Sure! I assume the Phish release not mentioned will be Farmhouse, which I wouldn't want. I missed out on Billy Breathes, and Story of the Ghost is probably sold out, too, those are the 2 studio ones I'd really want. Buffalo will be gotten, but not right away. More interested in when 3/1/69 comes out. The Zappa release You Can't Do That Onstage Anymore would be nice, I have it on cd somewhere.

Reminds me, I need to get a copy of that Seattle Playing in the Band, pretty good deal 20 bucks...

Speaking of good deals, Deal of the Day at Amazon, almost over, is for storage devices, hard drives, usb drives, etc. 12 TB monster for 175 bucks. That cartoon idiot that paid 439 for 2 TB at Best Buy would have almost all the room he needed, especially since 6/22/73 is now available in 24/192, and the whole box set is 48GB.

A return to the transition from St Stephen> The Eleven from 3/1/69 started the day of right. Then I started up 3/2/69 Dark Star... Got some great (loud) Dark Star action at lunch then finished it on ride home along with> St Stephen> 3 min of The Eleven for the end journey. Great out of the gate Dark Star, St Stephen is flying along and The Eleven thunders in a bit less than the night before, but they start to hit dynamics and take their time after rushing through just 6 glorious minutes of The Eleven the night before, so I failed to pull a keithfan and remain through the next 10-12 min, I decided it shall be tomorrow morning's jolt to awaken me prior to facing the day. I think Phil really really liked playing St Stephen and The Eleven. I think precisely what made him love them so much, their rhythmic complexity, is what made Jerry not want to play St Stephen at least. Who knows why The Eleven was dropped. Was it because Billy thought they needed Mickey?

Did a search and how wrong was I?
Garcia, 1988: “‘The Eleven’ was successful because it had a great groove…but you’re really stuck in that chord pattern – we used to go into E-minor out of that A-D-E [riff], which is like ‘La Bamba.’ ‘The Eleven’ is like ‘La Bamba,’ it really is… ‘La Bamba’ is a trap too, just like ‘The Eleven’ is, because you’re trapped harmonically in this very fast-moving little chord pattern which is tough to play through. It’s tough to play gracefully through except for the most obvious shit, which is what I did on ‘The Eleven.’ When we went into the E-minor [section], then it started to get weird. We used to do these revolving patterns against each other where we would play 11 against 33 – so one part of the band was playing a big thing that revolved in 33 beats, or 66 beats, and the other part of the band would be tying into that 11 figure. That’s what made those things sound like, ‘Whoa, what the hell is going on?’ It was thrilling. But we used to rehearse a lot to get that effect. It sounded like chaos, but it was in reality hard rehearsal.” (Golden Road, Fall 1988)
Lesh, 1990: “It was really too restrictive; and the vocal part, the song part, was dumb. [Garcia said it was a hard tune to play through] because of the three-chord structure. When we put that together with a drone it was much easier. How was it we used to do it – Dark Star/St Stephen/The Eleven/Lovelight? It fit well in there, I guess… It was really designed to be a rhythm trip. It wasn’t designed to be a song. That more or less came later as a way to give it more justification or something to work in a rock ‘n’ roll set. We could’ve used it just as a transition, which is what it was, really.” (Golden Road, Summer 1990)

Thanks, Interwebs! Well, song, or not song, or just an excuse to confuse people musically, I plan to rock out to the final Eleven of the Fillmore West run. May have to pull out 1/2/70 for the evening, that's a really good Dark Star and 2 smoking TIFTOO's the next night and that Dancin'. Can't wait for Workingman's and American Beauty and the accompanying 1970 sets!
Garcia, 1988: “‘The Eleven’ was successful because it had a great groove…but you’re really stuck in that chord pattern – we used to go into E-minor out of that A-D-E [riff], which is like ‘La Bamba.’ ‘The Eleven’ is like ‘La Bamba,’ it really is… ‘La Bamba’ is a trap too, just like ‘The Eleven’ is, because you’re trapped harmonically in this very fast-moving little chord pattern which is tough to play through. It’s tough to play gracefully through except for the most obvious shit, which is what I did on ‘The Eleven.’ When we went into the E-minor [section], then it started to get weird. We used to do these revolving patterns against each other where we would play 11 against 33 – so one part of the band was playing a big thing that revolved in 33 beats, or 66 beats, and the other part of the band would be tying into that 11 figure. That’s what made those things sound like, ‘Whoa, what the hell is going on?’ It was thrilling. But we used to rehearse a lot to get that effect. It sounded like chaos, but it was in reality hard rehearsal.” (Golden Road, Fall 1988)
Lesh, 1990: “It was really too restrictive; and the vocal part, the song part, was dumb. [Garcia said it was a hard tune to play through] because of the three-chord structure. When we put that together with a drone it was much easier. How was it we used to do it – Dark Star/St Stephen/The Eleven/Lovelight? It fit well in there, I guess… It was really designed to be a rhythm trip. It wasn’t designed to be a song. That more or less came later as a way to give it more justification or something to work in a rock ‘n’ roll set. We could’ve used it just as a transition, which is what it was, really.” (Golden Road, Summer 1990)

Love the veneta show someone here gave me. Real old school. I can taste the free yogurt as i listen. I was also playing the giants box 87'-89'-91' shows my friends and I used to go to along with a few on this site. That june 17th 1991 first set eyes was great.

Welcome Shadeguy. I've seen that van!!

Don't let these guys wreck your political career. What happened in the van, well.. never mind.

So the Senate might be out but I think you still have a good shot for a seat in the house. Those guys all seem to drive vans with no windows with little or no repercussions, fear not.. your future is bright..

Freak freely..

You mean the one with no windows? Sure do=)

I think I bought a fake ID and some weed from you back in high school.

You still have that van?