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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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May 21, 2020 - 5:57am

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Dennis

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Make Believe Ballroom

Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

Goog the name. The things we can learn here.
May 21, 2020 - 3:27am

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bob t

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8/13/75 great choice

This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t
May 21, 2020 - 1:49am

#7133

daverock

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8/13/75 on the radio

An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.
May 20, 2020 - 10:34pm

#7134

The Good Ole G…

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Make Believe Ballroom

Good stuff!

JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

Fun Discussions tonight all.

Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

Until then be well
May 20, 2020 - 10:07pm

#7135

DeadVikes

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8/13/75

Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

Oroborous, appreciate the information.

Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??
May 20, 2020 - 9:05pm

#7136

JimInMD

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Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

Nite all.
May 20, 2020 - 7:48pm

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Oroborous

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Re: Deadvikes/net wiring

To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
- Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
- Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
- Research and get best Router you can
- Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.
May 20, 2020 - 7:42pm

#7138

Cousins Of The…

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8/13/75

Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label
May 20, 2020 - 7:22pm

#7139

Gollum

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8/13/75

in the queue...
May 20, 2020 - 7:21pm

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JimInMD

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Hampton 87 & 8/13/75

Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

1974 Chop Shop

I am at an impasse with some of the partially released 74 shows.. I think I need to reconstruct the full shows using pieces of the official releases and supplement any missing parts from the best available source.

What were they thinking???

Edit: David Lemieux as a kid.. "Look at all these reels.. I bet we can releases dozens and dozens of songs...."

Chop job redemption

Plangentize and Normanize those ‘74 reels, and Box ‘em up, PNW style.

9/10/74 Alexandra Palace finished

Already on the end of set one of 9/11/74, Playing just started...23 minutes to end the first set. Then a 41minute Phil & Ned where a big chunk is with the band before going into a great Eyes of the World into Wharf Rat... (44 minutes of Eyes and Wharf Rat) .. 108 minutes of jazzy, jammed pure 74 bliss. bob t

9/11/74

That long jammy section with Ned is niiiice. I wasn't even aware of it before. Good call BobT and Daverock.

Missing These Picks..

and who could ask for more than another 1974.

I am not listening to the composites of these again though.. I want to rebuild the complete shows.

1974

some of my favorite releases back in the day were the 1974 multi-show highlight releases, and of course same goes for DiP 4 Fillmore East. Still find them solid and very enjoyable. however - i definitely would like to see full show releases of those shows barring any significant reel issues.

Bluecrow Hat Trick - continuous deep listen to all three discs in a single release. much as I can ask for nowadays.

prayers to fire affected brothers and sisters out in California, Oregon, & Washington - heartbreaking

American Reality

Loading up the phone with the Dead, putting all of 1972 on now.

Do some rain dances & send some good vibes towards the west coast.

We need all the help we can get.

Be Well All

Any one up for some William and Mary.... 9/11/73

Dark Star>Morning Dew included!!! I finished the last Alexandra Palace show (9/11/74), favorite of the 3 shows. I know this September 73 tour isn't everyone's favorite because of the horns, but I like them... Have a great weekend. Bob t

Mickey Hart 77th birthday

Always enjoyed his work, in and out of the Grateful Dead, all around, the faster we go the rounder we get. Rolling Thunder, Diga Rhythm Band, New Riders of the Purple Sage, Dead and Company. Prolific musician and workingman.
Excited about upgraded Betty Cantor recording of 2/18/71. Also when American Beauty was released my old friend Jimi tripped out on the lettering on the cover. Was the first person I remember to see “American Reality”. More than we ever dreamed it would become , reality.

9/11/73

Never heard this one. I will check it out Bob t. Thanks.

By The Way

Where in the hell is Bolo? It has been a long time.

And Otis?

GOGD, did you find a complete listing of the 375 reels from ABCD?

9/11/73

To my ears, perhaps the best of the fall '73 mini tour with horns. Definitely worth a listen. Might not be the most popular release if it were to ever see the light of day, but well worth the listen. I am right there with BobT, an enjoyable and noteworthy show from an enjoyable and noteworthy tour.

I'm paying the 3 dollars and coming back for the next night!!

To quote Phil and the end of Sugar Magnolia, from the 9/11/73 show..Morning everyone, I'm going to listen to 9/12/73 William and Mary... Bob t

3 Dollars

Grap me a ticket too Bob.. I'll pick you up in a couple hours.

I’ll throw one out

9-12-91
Anniversary yesterday

9/12/91

PITB > Terrapin > PITB sandwich
I'm in!

Funny, I was just listening to So Many Roads comp disc 1 as I hadn't heard it in forever and was putting all GD releases on my phone in case we had to split.

BTW anybody got the 9/26/90 GD rehearsals that D Gans put on the Best of the GD Hour sampler CD?
Jam Out of Terrapin > PITB
I'd like to hear that there stuff, got the Hornsby stuff from 9/28 but never heard the above.

DV: No ABCD list as far as I can tell, but there's a nice list of Betty Boards in one of the Taper's Compendiums, I'll have to look for it when I have a minute.

Alright, Be Well All.
And that TLMD outtake on So Many Roads is worth visiting the next time you get a minute.
Sublime stuff.

I'm In

Giving them a try.. thanks cone kid.

9/12/91 I'm in

just finishing up concert where Phil says "this is the quiet part folks".... bob t

I’m a big fan of Fall ‘91

In fact, I like the whole Hornsby era.

But a Fall ‘91 Box would be cool.
Oakland?
MSG?
Boston?

Which to choose?
May have to draw straws.

Keeping with the 90’s theme

Now spinning a Vguy show, 5-31-92 Sam Boyd

9/12/91

I will check it out. A little MSG. Thanks Conekid. Yes, 91 certainly shines. A lot of great shows.

Oh and it is a Pearson Healy recording, even better.

Thanks for looking into that GOGD. Hope everything goes okay for you out there.

Stay well folks.

91

Agree, most of 91 decently recorded for the most part. Oft maligned, but not deservedly so. Bruce brought a lot of energy and in some ways brought Garcia back to life.

Keeping the 90’s alive

Since the CD-R case in my living room containing 90’s shows I burned more than 10 years ago is open, I tossed in 3-30-94.
The ScarletFirePlayingDarkStar is awesome and worthy of official release.

DHB Friendly Two Day Bickershaw?

Something different and something good. Since it's such a long show, two discs a day should suffice.

Thoughts?

Jim 5/7/72

Jim, I would be in on that but I don't have this show.

Still working my way through 9/12/91. Great show, great recording.

I'm gonna throw in a wild card....

....Mickey Harts Mystery Box.

5/7/72

I don't know what you are doing out there but is smells rotten! Great show Jim, good call. Thanks Man!

Happy Anniversary 9/16/72 Boston Music Hall

How I wish more than 8 songs existed on SB..... At least there is a Playin, Morning Dew, Dark>Star into Brokedown Palace, NFA>GDTRFB>NFA... bob t

Today's Pick

Decided to go with 3/24/73, Dave's Picks #32 for today. Of course it is 73.

Are we something like a month away from #36? My god, time is moving fast this year and very slow.

9/16/72

I might have to hit this one tonight.. as always, thanks Bob.

Partial or not.. looks hot.

9/16/72

Nice pick. I'm not too familiar with this show. Well, it seems a couple folks on the archive claim this Dark Star is one of the greatest of all time. You never really know, do you?! I'm listening to a matrix now. The live music shutdown has given me a new appreciation for audience tapes.

GSTEP....

...."Greatest Dark Star Ever Played."
I have no idea. Most are above average. So there you go.

9/16/72

Big Fan of this show!

IMO top 5 PITB as well as Dark Star.
Well worth the Trip.

This was my goto Bike Ride show for awhile, worked every time!
It's a traveler, and it'll take you places.

Def one of my favorite 1972 shows.

GOGD

Good to hear from you GOGD.

Were losing a bit of steam here.

There Ain't No Place I'd Rather Be

Won't You Carry Meeeeeeee!

Couldn't resist.

Thanks DV, been glancing in, but there's been just a few distractions. (insert eyeroll, face palm, the scream etc)

Meant to praise 9/16/72 yesterday, (nice work Bob T!)
Definitely check out the partial SBD portion, it's one of my personal favorites for sure.

If anybody has the FLAC files of the SBD easily accessible and wants me to patch that transition between Dark Star & Brokedown send em over, I've wanted to do that for awhile, but only have the Mp3 files.

Alright, be well all, and keep it goin', this is a fun little place to visit :)

Dave's 32

Finished my third or fourth listen of this gem. I love how some releases seem to get better with each listen and this one fits that bill. The whole show rocks, so many highlights. As others have mentioned Disc 3 is very special. The He's Gone-Truckin-Jam-Dark Star into the final three songs are just awesome.

Yes, #32,#33 and #34 are pretty sweet. Looking forward to what Dave has in store for #36. Okay, my money is going with 72 or April 78.

Stay well all.

36

Have to think it will be either 69, 72 or perhaps spring '78.

...what's on for today?

Dave's Picks

DV - Yeah, as far as GD releases, we're in the golden age!

FWIW I still think we'll see a Pigpen Era release for DaP V36 circa '68-'70. Most likely '69.

Alright, I know the following for certain:
I'm jonesing to find out if I'm right or wrong :)

Announced in October right? Any theories on the date of the announcement ;)

10/17/82 possibly?

Hi Ya Jim!

Anybody wanna check out the new eBay Audience source of 10/17/82 that just got posted on archive?
https://archive.org/details/gd1982-10-17.150574.eBay.miller.flac2496

I wanna check it out at some point.

Just an idea since you were asking for a pick.

I was going to recommend Vegas 5.30.92 for today....

....but 10.17.82 works. It's Santa Fe!!. Strange show that was just a one off apparently. No tour to support it. Eleven song first set! Let's goooooo!!

82 or 92

VGUY - Either is cool w me!

I don't think I listened to the Pearson Upgrade of 5/30/92 either.

Too Much Dead Bros!!!

EDIT: 10/17/82 it is, look at that set list bro!
Post Space> Throwin'> GDTRFB> Wheel> Other One> Wharf Rat> Good Lovin'. Who does that?
The GD in '82 that's who!
We can do 5/30/92 tomorrow.

So Far...

Here’s what’s been released so far...

Here’s a Breakdown of Dave’s Picks
(First #) = Year:
(2nd =)Total Releases from this year/
(3rd = )How Many Releases since last pick from this year../
(4th =)Release # of last pick from this year

80: 1 / 27 / #8
69: 2 / 25 / #10
81: 1 / 15 / #20
78: 3 / 12 / #23
72: 3 / 11 / #24
71: 3 / 9 / #26
83: 1 / 8 / #27
76: 3 / 7 / #28
70: 2 / 5 / #30
79: 1 / 4 / #31
73: 4 / 3/ #32
77: 5 / 2/ #33
74: 5 / 1 / #34
84: 1 / - / #35

80 is past due, what about Gainesville? Course that’s not happen with the fourth pick...
69 is past due! Good bet except I don’t think they’ll go for fourth pick...
81, same as above..
So that leaves 72 and 78. I’m going with 78.
Of course there never seems to be enough 77...
Some day you’d think we’d get a 91, but not fourth pick...

GOGD Announcement dates

Last year #32 was announced on 22nd October and the 2020 subscription was announced on 30th October.
My guess would be 20th October for #36.

DaP V36 Announcement Dates

CG - Damn!
That's more than a month....

This pandemic is really warping time.
I didn't realize a pandemic could be so psychedelic, but I've definitely been tripping since March.

Good Stuff and nice sleuthing. I appreciate it, even if it spiked my jones.

Jeez, lotsa drug references ;)

OB - I'ma gonna grok on that there hypiothesissss thingy there for a minute. Nice work bro.

I still call Pigpen era!

Oroborous-1980

Yes, 1980 is of course extremely underrepresented, don't get me started on that. No idea what they are doing with 1980.

I think they will give us the heads up announcement the week before the seaside chat on October 20. Release date is October 30, which usually means I should have mine by November 15.

Dave's 36

10/31/69, if not now, when.

September 72 east coast tour

Never have done this before, but on 3rd show of tour today, 9/17/72 Baltimore.... (Dicks Picks something)... started with the Boston show back on the 14th on Monday... bob t

RE: September 72 East Coast Tour

You probably already thought of this, but it seems like 10/2/72 should get included too.

I wanna do that.
Best Part: Playing In The Band on every show!!!!

Sept '72 is some epic stuff.

Said it before, but I think '72 is my fave year.

Europe box announcement got me back into collecting the Dead after like 10 year hiatus.
After Europe box was released '72 was the first year that I collected all existing shows for.

Kinda envious there Bob T, gonna have to follow your lead one these here days.
Enjoy!

I'm listening to...
A tutorial.
Knowledge is good, but envy is not.

Re: Nov 15th

...of what year? :D

Fall '72. Interesting idea.. I've done E72 in sequence a couple times. The last time I did it.. I had to break out into a different era for a palate cleanse.

Did anyone commit to something for today?

Today's Listening Choices

Jim -

VGUY and I are checking out 10/17/82 - New Miller Audience (might not be as good as the other audience.. not sure what I think yet, anyhow it just popped up)
Also mentioned 5/30/92 (possibly tomorrow though)
Bob T - Going deep with September '72 tour journey.

November what year = Doh!