• Post reply
    8,085 replies
    marye
    Joined:
    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Comments

sort by
Recent
Recent Oldest A to Z Z to A
Reset
  • #1281
    Forensicdoceleven
    Joined:
    I have just got a new theory of eternity…...

    Hey rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Austin, Texas February 23, 1970

    I reluctantly discussed this at the end of last year. Here I am again. It appears that I’m stuck in a time warp. The galactic rock and roll union. I have no special talent, I am only passionately curious…..

    It appears that the currently circulated recording of this show is the only surviving audio document from the Dead’s four show excursion through Texas in February 1970. It’s tough coming right after the wonderful, brilliant Fillmore West/Fillmore East shows earlier that month, and perhaps it’s not unexpected that the intensity level might come down a bit. That being said, this is still interesting, enjoyable, and worthy…..

    The band is in 1970 electric/acoustic/electric mode. The circulating recording appears to be missing part of the first electric set, coming in during Know You Rider. For fans of acoustic Dead, this set is nice---Monkey And The Engineer-Little Sadie-Me And My Uncle-Black Peter-Seasons Of My Heart-Uncle John's Band. The festivities are completed with a jammy NFA and Mason’s Children.

    The monotony and solitude of a quiet life stimulates the creative mind. I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity……

    Did Bear travel to Texas, and did he record? Banana boxes, reveal thy mysteries…..

    Rock on,

    Doc
    Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods……

  • #1282
    rockthing
    Joined:
    5/19/74 > 2/22/69

    >daverock>

    The vocal dropouts are not evident in the audience tape, so that must have happened on the way to the board tape.

    That said, the recording is slightly overpowered by Jerry and Bob's guitars from the taper's vantage point, but a little time with a simple Equalizer was enough to bring more Phil and better presence to the vocals. I do recall a few lyric flubs with the new material, but in the overall mix it didn't really jump out at me. Probably much more obvious in the official release/soundboard recording.

    2/22/69>
    Oh, my. I can see this is gonna send me on a primal quest. I have all these fall '69 and fall '68 shows that I've never listened to, but I don't have much from the spring of those years. I love this gentle psychedelia. It's really these delicate type of sounds that really trigger the senses. I'm only up to Dark Star at this point, but what a beautiful way to start a show.... oops, "The transitive diamonds?" Haha. I'd probably have trouble remembering my name if I were there, so whatever.

    It's such a shame that we're restricted to streaming this show. Imho, if the official release isn't so significantly better sounding than one of these circulating boards that it isn't a no-brainer to buy it, then what's with the classism, eh? I know the boys need a retirement plan... but... --mini rant off--

  • #1283
    daverock
    Joined:
    5/19/74

    Rockthing - good notes on this show - cheers! I'm going through it very slowly, but it's the L.P. I am listening to. Although it has the famous vocal drop outs, the sound and balance of the instruments sounds fine throughout to me. I have just played the side with Loose Lucy and Money Money on. A short side. The lyrics are a bit naff on both of them - but I like the music, and they were both played so rarely that when they do crop up, it's a welcome surprise to me.
    I presume the version you have listened to has the earlier vocal dropouts too.

  • #1284
    rockthing
    Joined:
    5/19/74 (Part II)

    Wrote these notes on Monday morning while drinking my coffee and getting ready to do some work from home. After a while I was mostly distracted by the show.

    I'll get to that Feb. 22 '69 show if I can, but I don't have that one handy. Hafta stream it.

    The ETree identifier of this source is 115876, btw. I don't have the box set, so these are my first impressions.

    It Must Have Been The Roses: Ok. /Now/ I'm awake. Possible tape change? There is suddenly a big improvement in sound quality for this hauntingly sensitive rendition. Jerry's voice is now clear above the guitars. Everything, save Phil, is suddenly much clearer and the sound field feels wider. Up to this point the tape had sounded like the tape the biker is listening to at the beginning of the Dead Movie. Nice harmony work during the refrain, blended well in the house mix.

    Loose Lucy: Gettin' in the funk. Jerry's just perfectly behind the beat to make it nice and nasty. If the syncopation isn't just right, this tune can completely lose all form really quickly. Loose Lucy must be a pretty new song at this point. I have no idea when this tune debuted. They didn't do this in concert much, as far as I know. I was lucky enough to see'em do it once, but the performance I saw was almost unrecognizable. Something was wrong with the timing, so it sounded all backwards. I was embarrassed to not even recognize it until Jerry started singing. This is a nice treat.

    I Know You Rider? Something seems to be wrong here. The info text says Money Money should be next followed by China/Rider, but we're just dropped into IKYR. Looks like some minor surgery might be needed on the meta data.

    Money Money: Ok. Someone's just mislabelled these files. Man, this has always been one of my least favourite songs in the Dead's catalogue. I rarely skip songs on albums, but being the album closer on Mars Hotel makes it easy. I don't think I've ever heard a live version of it, so this is kind of a treat, in its own sort of way. Having not heard it in such a long time, I guess it's not such a bad song. The negativity of the lyric just sems to strike such a contrast to most of the other stuff in the repertoire. John Lennon, for example, has a lot of negativity in his lyrics, but when I listen to him, I expect that.

    China Rider: Yeah. They're keepin' that funky groove going that was working so well during Loose Lucy. The transition jam seems to go almost immediately to an I Know You Rider feel. The guitar tone is very unusual here. It almost sounds like Bobby's Gibson 335 tone. He's playing lots of double-stops, where he plays two notes at a time even while soloing… wait… maybe that /was/ Bobby!? Some very cool interplay between Bobby and Phil before a guitar sound that is unmistakably Jerry joins in just ahead of the trademark unison bit before I Know You Rider. What is now clearly Jerry's tone keeps it going after the unison part, and now there's a Feelin' Groovy jam. I can almost see the smiling faces and twirling homemade sun dresses with flowers in the hair right now. Big, big ovation from the crowd as they settle into the Rider vamp before going into the first verse. They know what they've just heard. That was sweet, breezy, and smooth as can be. I'm guessing Jerry had some sort of equipment or other issue causing him to stop playing for a bit at the beginning of the transition. Oh, yeah, Jer, dig into that "On a north bound train" line. This and the out-of-place IKYR are going to get merged into one track when I get a chance.

    Set II:
    Promised Land: Yeah. Everybody's definitely up off their blankets now.

    Bertha: Got a little "Yee Haw" from someone nearby for "All night pouring, but not a drop on me." It's quite amazing how inobtrusive the audience is, considering this was recorded with a handheld mic by someone just hanging out in crowd.

    Greatest Story: Nice wah wah Jerry licks. Jerry's wah is so bubbly and has a rich swell, like the sound of a wave on the ocean. Using the rocking motion of the foot pedal definitely puts the player physically off balance, so I can understand why he seemed to abandon it later in favor of the Mutron "auto-wah" tone filter. Sounds so good here, though. Jerry's volume sounds cranked, though, totally drowning everything out. I ain't complaining. Oh, yeah. A little jam in GSET? They seem to have gone into something altogether different. I'm not sure if this is a set piece, but it feels unfamiliar to me. I know that I've heard occasional jams in Greatest Story, but they seem rare. This is definitely no longer the Greatest Story chord progression, but I don't know what it is, and then Wamp, Wamp-Wamp, right back into it. Now I'm gonna hafta start checking out Spring 1974 Greatest Stories. That was hot and adventurous, like maybe something went wrong and they fought through it… but maybe there was just a jam in this song back then.

    Ship of Fools: Giving the manic dancers their first break of the second set. The taper is stopping the tape between songs, though, so who knows how long they spent tuning in between. Very nice harmony work from Bobby and Donna.

    Weather Report: Seems a bit tentative in the earlier segments, but the Let It Grow jam is developing interestingly. The whole band just seems sort of in a gentle mood this night. Everything is soft and malleable, and most of all, creative, when they go off into improvised sections. The straight tunes are tight and, well, straightforward, but I'm hearing all sorts of novel ideas coming through during the instrumental segments. There seems to be a completely different confidence at work during this jazzy work out. You can hear Billy getting back to his swing roots and playing off Keith. This is fantastic. Such subtle interplay. Normally when I hear the full suite performed I wonder why they didn't continue to use the first parts, but in this case I didn't feel that way.

    Peggy-O: Jerry's picking is quite aggressive, and his tone is very chimey, even behind his vocal. Relaxed tempo, even by Peggy-O standards. In this recording it sounds almost like Billy and Jerry doing a duet, but Keith adds some accents here and there.

    ??: What is this? A playful little jam and some quiet noodling where the audience's shouts and requests become more prominent. Bobby announces technical difficulties.

    Truckin': Nice buildup, but not the major bomb drop I'm used to, and from there things start to get really weird. It's not spacy weird, just, "Whoa, what the heck is this?" weird. Some of the early 70s Truckin's could get totally abstract, so this is just the way they rolled back then. Great stuff. Gettin' that funky groove goin' from the first set again, even as the changes take on some jazzy influences. Bobby is very clear in the mix, and my oh, my it's gettin' Weir'ed. Jerry busts in with a burst of guitar feedback which seems to shock everyone for a moment, but they're still groovin'. This is the gold I look for in any show. It's funny because Mind Left Body actually sounds a lot like Loose Lucy. Billy and Phil getting' into a little funky-drummer exchange. Finally Phil breaks through in the mix with some space for him to hit that Bootsy one. In the info text "Jam" and "Mind Left Body Jam" had been listed separately, but they're actually all included in the Truckin' track, which is my preference. Cousinit made a real mess of this file set, but I can fix it. Rarely are there such glaring mistakes on the Archive, but this one has definitely been put together somewhat carelessly.

    NFA: This interesting because I've been listening to a lot of Alligator era NFA's or Bean era NFA's, and that gives a nice context to compare to this Wolf tone… of course, there is a LOT of recording tech affecting the sound here, but even though there's a nice honk, everything seems so nice and round and gently muted. Hey. What's this breakdown in NFA. Pretty sure I've never heard that before… and GTRFB. THAT, was an interesting transition.

    GTRFB: Nothing to worry about here. The old standby. Billy's hi-hat figure during the breakdown is, again, getting really funky with a swinging 16th note feel, or something. Very cool.

    US Blues: Mars Hotel weighted setlist. What month did that come out? Good, tight version.

    Johnny B. Goode: Full colosseum clap along for a high energy reading that does justice to the Check Berry original. Sometimes this can get a bit too languid. This one is rockin' hard.

    On repeated listen, I've messed with the EQ some. First of all I bumped up the EQ preamp level, I dunno, about 10db, I guess. I then added a further 12db of 64Hz, and 125Hz on the 10 band EQ to bring Phil nicely into the mix, but also lowered almost everything else about 6db on frequencies that had been flat to make the bass frequency differential greater. The bass still isn't terribly defined, but it at least brings Phil into play. He was completely inaudible without EQ. Got just a touch more vocal by giving the 1KHz and 2KHz about 1db. The tape has a sort of nostalgic cheap car speaker sound, so I actually wanna preserve a bit of that… not that I could really get rid of it. There's quite a nice venue ambiance, especially when there is more space in the arrangements, like during the Mind Left Body Jam.

    The vocal drop-outs others have mentioned were not audible to the audience.

  • #1285
    daverock
    Joined:
    2/22/69

    That is a great show. According to the cd notes it was recorded, along with shows in late January and the Feb-March shows, for possible inclusion on Live Dead. It probably won't happen - the song lists are obviously very similar, but it would make a great box set to release all the shows recorded.
    The shows from 1967-1971 inclusive are the main ones for me in 30 Trips.

  • #1286
    Forensicdoceleven
    Joined:
    You can't blame gravity for falling in love…..

    Mornin’, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Dream Bowl February 22, 1969

    Relatively speaking, the yang to the yin of February 21, 1969. True art is characterized by an irresistible urge in the creative artist…..

    I have the space, you have the time, let’s revisit. Officially released in October 2015 as part of Thirty Trips Around The Sun, one almost never hears about this show, possibly because it gets overshadowed by the blazing white hot glare of the Fillmore West Shows of February 27th to March 2nd. This is very much “of a kind” with those shows, featuring the typically sweet Mountains Of The Moon (always loved that song!), a long exploratory Dark Star, a fierce, crunchy Other One, a deathly Death Don’t, a fine Eleven, and a greasy Lovelight that clocks in at a mere 21+ minutes.

    Great music, great sound quality, I suggest you find the time…..

    The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once…..

    Rock on,

    Doc
    There comes a time when the mind takes a higher plane of knowledge but can never prove how it got there…..

  • #1287
    daverock
    Joined:
    Heads in Mississippi

    That's good to read - they opened with Mississippi Half Step - Franklins Tower the first time I saw them 3/24/81. A great start to the show for sure.

  • #1288
    PT Barnum
    Joined:
    5-19-74

    In my experience, any show that starts off with Mississippi half-step uptown toodleloo is usually a great one and 5-19-74 is no exception. That pacific northwest box grows on ya, for sure.

  • #1289
    daverock
    Joined:
    5/19/74

    I haven't played it this year yet, but it has become one of my most played shows from this year - mainly because I bought it on vinyl. But it is really good, too. To me, it's better than its song list suggests - the songs leading up to the Truckin' jam are well played and forward moving, and that final jam is superb. It has been castigated in some quarters for the vocal drop outs. A price worth paying, in my opinion. All three 1974 shows in the box it was culled from are top notch.

  • #1290
    DeadVikes
    Joined:
    Dave's 13 and 42

    Hey Bluecrow, #13 is definitely in my top five. Love this show. Listen to it quite a bit. #42 hasn't resonated with me as much as #13, don't know why. How do you all feel?

    I will throw out Dave's Picks #7, 4/24/78, for our old buddy That's Otis. I believe you are fan of this era. Hope all is well out there for you and the rest of the crew!

user picture

Member for

17 years 6 months
Submitted by marye on
Forums
Currently Listening To...
Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
user picture

Member for

17 years

Submitted by bob t on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 13:40

Permalink

I like this tour. I agree with Jim that 9/11/73 is the strongest show of this tour !!! I also like the 9/15/73 show that you are listening to also.. Love Phil during Truckin when he says, "Howard Cosell said that" after long strange trip line....Just finished my American University 9/30/72 show.... Now putting on one other anniversary show, Mershon Auditorium from 9/30/76... Started listening to this part of that tour after Cobo 10/3/76 was released on 30 trips..... (that's another listen in a few days)... bob t

Listening to Phil's 50th birthday show today. Love this show. The Terrapin, Mock Turtle Jam is sweet.
Great Althea, Tom Thumbs Blues.
Revolution closer.

If you haven't listened to this one in a while, check it out. The official release from 1997 still stands the test of time.

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 20:07

Permalink

Was it 1997? It was (is) a limited release and it's still for sale. I wonder what the production run was? Weren't they going to build a trippy GD theme park or something with the proceeds? What a long strange trip it's been.

Great show, great recording.. a taste of what would become decades later when they released the whole tour.

What's in store for tomorrow? Oro, anyone?

..and Strider/Gollum.. I am right there with you. I think I saw Hot Tuna doing a few acoustic songs the first time during intermission at the Jefferson Airplane reunion tour in '87, at Merriweather. Ziggy Marley opened. Then it took me some time to see them again, I forget when.. but I have been patiently chipping away at shows since that time and now they #2 with the GD being the band I have seen the most. Jorma is a living American legend. An unbelievable talent and I agree.. the real deal. I feel the same way about the NRPS, I would make it a point to see them at least once when they were on the same side of the continental divide as me, but with Buddy Cage gone and David Nelson getting up there in years I fear seeing who is left will be few and far between.

On the same stream of consciousness.. I avoided the GD cover band incarnations for years, until 2007. I have to admit it felt weird.. seeing Jerry clones up on stage but I have gotten over that. I enjoy it, including Dead & Company. Bygones.. I like GD music and just hearing someone perform those sacred songs puts me in a good place. I saw Phil's band doing a sweet interpretation of Peggy-O early on.. with some incredible, soft and classy fiddle and I think pedal steel(?). It brought back bittersweet memories. I am happy people are out there carrying the torch. I do agree with what has been written, it's not the same but I am happier being a part of it all than, well, what is it we are supposed to do besides..... Nevermind.. I will gracefully quit while I am behind.

Have a great week all.

user picture

Member for

14 years

Submitted by Gollum on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 22:36

Permalink

Hey Jim, I also love NRPS but only saw them once live. I was going to see David Nelson for the first time at the Ventura Skull&Roses fest last April but of course it was cancelled. Billy K was also supposed to be there. Such a bummer.

This gives me a chance to tell my Marmaduke/Reno story. Forgive me, I've told it here before but I can't resist. I went to an NRPS show in Reno in the mid 80's. Only Marmaduke and two others showed up. Marmaduke explained that the rest of the band was in jail, having been busted for weed at the previous gig at Tahoe. He played a great "Friend of the Devil". So, there's Marmaduke singing "Friend of the Devil", a song he co-wrote, in Reno, with real sheriffs out on the trail. How cool is that? Sorry, I couldn't resist.

But I digress.... what are we listening to tomorrow? Isn't the weekend coming up?!

user picture

Member for

4 years 11 months

Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 23:01

Permalink

John Dawson came into the music store my brother works in ( Gryphon Stringed Instruments in Palo Alto) and my brother picked up an acoustic guitar and played I Don't Know You and John Dawson sang the song. My brother talked to him for a long time. My brother said he was super friendly , just a real cool guy.

user picture

Member for

14 years

Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 00:03

Permalink

That's great, Billy! I wonder how John wound up teaching English in Mexico. I guess he was a very private sort of person.

user picture

Member for

8 years 6 months

Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 04:56

Permalink

...Greetings everyone! wishing everyone a grateful Thursday today! I see another grateful post from stridder, excellent as always my friend & thank you for sharing With all us DeadHead members Here, bravo!
Concerning ‘DeadVkings’, how about The “Primo” ‘Warfield’ - RSD Release was sourced from The original recordings done by Betty and it’s important to know these tapes were never officially released or used on any past release official or not from the Warfield! Two solid LPs of “acoustic” Grateful Dead with Pristine & clean recordings, mastering & mix! An excellent snap shot of the dead doing their best playing & paying tribute to the Americana music style at the time in history.
Concerning ‘New riders of the purple Sage‘, my cousin is the Bass Player so the new riders are apart of my extended family for over 40 years now! What a long strange trip it’s been!
Take care everyone, be safe be kind & rock On!
Decided early this morning I’m starting my day listening to Dave’s Picks #9! 5/14/74 ‘Adams Field House’ MT beautiful!
🙏❤️💀🌹

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months

Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 06:39

Permalink

There are some fine shows to be mined there if you can handle midi-fied Dead. Was there a Scarlet>Fire on that tour? I know they shied away from it on 10-14, but I can't think of another yet that month.

these are all classic lps, blows has mau mau, a great protest song, when I was in high school, I was in the back of civics class and there was a blackboard, I wrote down the lyrics to Mau Mau for all to see, it stopped class and I was first chastised for what I did, later, I was applauded. starfighter has earthmother, and baron has flowers in the night, another great protest song. "Old man get some solders, keep them close at hand, the seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land, guard yourselves most carefully military might, plants that can not bloom by day must flower in the night" seems to fit right in to today. I mean didn't Nixon want his brown shirted followers to "stand by" and want his sheep to go and "watch the polls"?

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 07:31

Permalink

They were a bit scarce in 89.. but there were three in October. Some of this second set thunder was replaced by Dark Star, Death Don't, Attics, etc. Funny, I was just thinking about S>F in response to some 80's posts made on the Dave's Picks 35 thread.. that one of the big pulls for me in the 80's is Scarlet>Fire. Scarlet Begonias has that infectious, funky groove that just pulls me in. I can't imagine passing over these years altogether. Those opening two chords.. it sets the direction for the rest of the show.

89 Scarlet > Fires, 12 times played of 73 shows or once every six shows that year.

02/06/89- Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center - Oakland, CA
03/27/89- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/06/89- Crisler Arena (University Of Michigan) - Ann Arbor, MI
04/16/89- The Mecca - Milwaukee, WI
06/21/89- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA
07/18/89- Alpine Valley Music Theater - East Troy, WI
08/06/89- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
10/01/89- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
10/14/89- Brendan Byrne Arena - East Rutherford, NJ
10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
12/06/89- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 08:40

Permalink

You all covered a lot of ground yesterday. Nice work!

Bob T how’s Tour? One more show to go.
Can’t wait to hear all the tour stories.
I listened to tapes of the Stanley Theatre shows, they are sick!
Especially dig the Dark Star > Cumberland, Attics, Promised, UJB I heard yesterday from 9/27.
Wonderful wonderful stuff. 24 minutes into the furthest reaches of Dark Star the band pulls back the curtain and unloads the first and only verse. Too much!
Really enjoyed that.
Still working through 9/26 just finished a real nice PITB at start of Set 2, and liking the looks of this set list, Stand Up, Sit Down, Stand Up, Turn Around, Stand On Your Heads, Woo Hoo. Dig it.

Marmaduke sure does seem like a kind hearted sole, I like the scene in Last Days of Fillmore where he gets the balloon for the little kid. Great stories Gollum & BTK!

Have you all heard “In The Morning” outtake from Surrealistic Pillow with Jerry G? Killer ’66 Jerry jams on that one, stumbled across it the other day. Well worth seeking out. It’s on YouTube.

DeadVikes with those 1980 Warfield / Radio City shows, I think most of it still exists in the vault. What DL was saying was “Unfortunately a lot of that was erased.” So I think it’s a scenario where you don’t have a couple of reels for a few shows, seems like all the acoustic stuff was saved. I think the SBDs that circulate pretty much reflect what’s in the vault. But, goes to show you don’t ever know.

I see OB went out on Sept ’73 horns tour.. WAAAAApppRR, SQUEAK, RARRRRP ;)

There’s some skeevy tapes, cringey stuff, but some gems as well, looking forward to the road reports.

Alright, keep up the good work you all.
I think I should be done with this ’72 jones after this 9/26 show raps up.

What’s that you say VGuy? 4/5/89

Hopefully we can make American Beauty - The Angel’s Share Outtakes a POD.
Links not working yet… Exciting!

Yasss, finally inchin my way through this groovy 73 horn tour. Can’t believe I’ve never gone there, especially since fall/winter 73 has always been one of my top tours. Really dig those last ten of the year with just the true five piece.
Speaking of, I believe proudfoot was just waving the 12/18/73 banner on the other board. Can’t wait till we get that one!

So did 9/15/73 yesterday and it definitely seemed better than the previous show. Perhaps a bit more upbeat from the get go. Aud of the first set not great, but by the historical standards not bad, listenable. Second set SB much better. Not being a taper though I don’t have a good reference point. In fact back in the day 73, hell pretty much any pre hiatus tapes were hard for us to come by, at least good sounding ones...were so spoiled now my reference point has been skewed big time, which is nice!
Been listening at work so not ideal conditions as far as sound and concentration but in some ways that’s better. Much is subliminal in the background but often when something stands out I’ll really start to notice. Tennessee and Playing did so in the first. Believe I thought the Bird Song was mediocre? Second set was great. The progression with the horns is interesting as it seems both the band and the horns get a little bit tighter every show. You can definitely tell what they were more familiar with i.e., WRS/LIG and what they seem to be winging it on i.e., Truckin’, Mags etc..
I like the horns, though due to the idiosyncrasies of SBs they’re perhaps too up in the mix which would make sense...
I also assume that in typical GD fashion they probably didn’t have a ton of rehearsal? Perhaps one of you in the know intrepid travelers is familiar with some history on this? Would love to learn more about this unique tour.

Would you want to have the horns all the time? Probably not, though if they had a side player who’d work for rate yet still have the chops, it might have been interesting to have someone more often to play specific parts with charts etc, but that’s not very GD lol. Like if they had parts all worked out like in the studio for Estimated etc it might be cool.
To me this was the same problem with Clarence or Bradford. It sometimes seemed like everyone was just blowing or noodling at the same time and not always hitting the group improve X factor?
Hell, imho that sometimes happened with Bruce and Vince in the mix too. I’ve always felt like the Dead could get too bogged down with too many voices. One reason I love the 71-74 five piece so much; all that space in the mix...

Ok, enough ramblin, on to the Cuse! Must of been awesome to see/hear that pre 74 like wall set up in that building.
Saw them there a couple times before they switched to that horrible dome, and though it did have a bit of a sonic signature like many of those old “war memorials”, I dug the place. Saw a great JGB show there in 93 I believe?

Scarlet>Truckin' I thought. Maybe somebody beat me to that correction but I'm just scanning the posts and saw Jim's analysis. I'll check out Crisler and 10/20 Scar>fire because I want to hear it. :-) Have a Grateful Day all! Thanks essential workers...Today's Thursday which means tomorrow is Friday by the way... :-)

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months

Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:12

Permalink

is mighty fine!
I like that 4/5 show, have a copy I ripped from a tape on my machine...Makes me want to go there, but I’m all into this 73 trip especially going in order to see how things progress etc.

FALL 89 and S/Fires... Jim, thanks for the nice list. Lucky I saw Alpine and Philly. I haven’t heard everything on that tour yet, but I’m familiar with most except Charlotte and the first Jersey show or 2...
Think there’s potential for a great box here, with great shows and mighty multi-tracks! Not sure we’d need the whole tour but I’d say a couple more from Jersey, definitely the Spectrum Shows, one if not both ?? from Charlotte and the other Miami show, with perhaps some of the Shoreline shows? Only familiar with 9/29 which would go nicely with said box, not familiar with the other 2 yet? These would make a nice 10-12 show box!
Can’t recall specifically about the Philly Scarlet/Fire but remember that whole show, hell that whole run was great.
Hey Pockey way which was always a favorite Brent tune, into S/F, Truckin’ and TOO I believe before drums, after one of those “ya had to be” there moments fir California Earthquake to end the first. That still gives me goosebumps!
Yeah I’m way biased but really hoping someday sooner than later we get all or part of this tour

EDIT: damn, now y’all got me thinking I need to hit this tour next BobT style! So I better hurry up and get going on 73 LOL!

EDIT: oops, I guess Alpine was Sugar Mag/Scarlet, no Fire...I’ll blame that on a Jim not my senility 😉

user picture

Member for

9 years 1 month

Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:32

Permalink

Because 4-6-89 was my first show.
So I like it better than 4-5.
I should have gone to both nights, but that pesky job thing got in the way.

user picture

Member for

15 years 2 months

Submitted by Colin Gould on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:53

Permalink

Well, nobody guessed that. 3/26/87 and 3/27/87 Hartford CT

user picture

Member for

9 years 1 month

Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:55

Permalink

No one saw that coming.

But I do now see a lot of complaining coming.

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 11:09

Permalink

Dang it.. Was calling Pigpen Era, thought Dave had left me a nice breadcrumb trail to it.

Alright, 1987 it is, I've been known to partake.

My 17 year old self would've freaked out with excitement!!
So I'll let that guy drive this train. Woo-Hoo!

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 11:38

Permalink

Ooops.. something went way wrong with my list. Let me redo it...

Went from 12 to 6, and only one in October. Sorry about that..

03/27/89- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/06/89- Crisler Arena (University Of Michigan) - Ann Arbor, MI
04/16/89- The Mecca - Milwaukee, WI
07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA
08/06/89- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA

user picture

Member for

8 years 1 month

Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 12:04

Permalink

Holy shit 1987! Yes, I think I guaranteed it would not be from the 1980s. I was way off.

This is great, Dave is definitely keeping us on our toes and I am super excited for this release. 87 is hot! Love it. What a year!

Now, let's top it off with another box!

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months

Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 04:06

Permalink

Looks like only one Shakedown that month and I read it's a good one, too (Compendium)

user picture

Member for

7 years

Submitted by Dark-Star on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 04:22

Permalink

Very happy for those who enjoy the Brent years. I saw plenty of shows and he was not really that audible so they were a blast. On tape I just can't stomach that gravelly voice and plinky keyboard. I envy you guys. Funny thing is I enjoy a good 1980 show. He used to blend in much better with the band with a Hammond at Pigpen level of volume and smoother voice.

user picture

Member for

17 years

Submitted by bob t on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 06:29

Permalink

Hello from Springfield MA!! Last day of my virtual Sept 72 tour.... Anyone want to jump ahead with me 5 years today and listen to this show>>> Casey Jones return after 3 years to start the first set and a smoking Set II Have a good weekend all.. Crisler was a good listen and call yesterday.. Bob t

user picture

Member for

8 years 10 months

Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 07:04

Permalink

Wow, what a day for Dead Heads!

Gifts galore.

My favorite things:
1. Deadcast - Gary Lambert's eye witness account of Jerry playing keys during the 9/17/70 Acoustic set at the Fillmore East.
(line up was: Jerry Keys, Phil Guitar, Nelson Guitar, Tolbert Bass, Billy Drums, Mickey Percussion, Pigpen Organ, Bobby Vocals.)
2. American Beauty Angel's Share Demos & More to come (Demos are out of sight!)
3. Highly anticipated announcement of DaP V36
(An official release from Spring Tour '87! I've heard the Ultramatrix, and Taper's Section of SBD, now bring on the normanized version from the hottest tour I got to be a part of.)

Kinda knocks your socks off.
That's how it's done folks, 25 years after the band has packed and gone and they've still got me on the edge of my seat waiting for what's next.
Well done, well done, hats off to all who are making this happen, you all are doing great stuff!!
(BTW if you need any help, lmk!)

10/2/77 is a smoker.
Nice Pick.
Can't wait to hear about tour when you're back home.

Okay.. Happy Friday!

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 09:01

Permalink

Saw one CJ opener in my life, and I believe the only time they did this post hiatus. It was Merriweather '84 and the first show of the summer tour within range of the interstate '95 corridor. Interstate 95 runs from Miami up the coast through Washington DC, Baltimore, Philly, New York City, Providence and Boston. One can surmise why they picked this as the opener. Could have been because at the time the I95 corridor was paved with the white powder? We will never know for sure..

The show had the ever present vocal (and other) anomalies of the time, but it was and it was a rocker. I am embarrassed to admit I shamelessly traded my good seats in the pavilion for front row center just by faking it and boldly walking up front. Very inconsiderate I would never do that now - I was young and stupid but man was that show fun. The kids they dance they shake their bones...

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months

Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 11:07

Permalink

10/18/89 Shakedown, yaaasssss, it was real, and it was spectacular lol
9/17/73: continuing my journey. I feel like every show on this tour they all get a little more comfortable with the different format, especially the horn players, which makes sense.
This show seemed to pick up on the previous show and continue to step it up. The second sets seem especially upbeat, like they were starting to really get into it. (A pattern on this tour).
Seemed like this SB was relatively good too, though my listening variables are such that I can’t fully comment on that.
It’s been fun so far, I’ve really been enjoying the trip.
Though it’s hard to carve the time out, and sometimes takes discipline to not jump around to something else, I really think doing a whole tour in order is a fascinating way to gain a better understanding of the continuous change and nuance that occurred over the course of a tour. It’s one thing to jump from tour to tour or year to year and catch the perhaps more noticeable differences, but it’s more enlightening to pick up on them during their actual evolution.
Perhaps the biggest example Is Let Me Sing a Your Blues Away. Most interesting is the removal of the jam after only the first night I believe? I kinda dug it even though Kieth has to basically yell at them to return to the main song body, but it had an energy/potential to it. Curious if this was fostered by KG, someone else, or the band as a whole?
Ok, onward to the Rectum and 9/20/73. Interestingly looks like no WRS/LIG this night, or is it just incomplete?
Not at home so no deadbase, and can’t seem to find anything on line to contradict?
Anywho, enjoy your day eh!

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 14:32

Permalink

I was checking the polls on the Dave's Picks 35 thread. Apparently, Oroborous is a shoe in to be the next Senator from Colorado.

Wave the flag!

user picture

Member for

9 years 1 month

Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 16:42

Permalink

Oroborous will need to file paperwork, and the way he has been treated by USPS lately makes me think that his election registration paperwork will get ‘lost’, then ‘returned to sender’, then ‘lost’ again.

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 17:55

Permalink

but as I recall in the end he got what he wanted. Multiple people on the DaP 35 thread are saying he can speak for them. It's a real grass roots effort. I see dead.net having two Senators in another month. And why shouldn't we? We should all be Senators, what could possibly go wrong?

user picture

Member for

9 years 2 months

Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 20:00

Permalink

back to the usual normal, a few steps behind the pack. first, though, hope folks weren't too taken aback at my insistence and enthusiasm for 9/28/72. yes, i sorta like that show. some tough reel gaps in Bear's first set, hoping there's a second reel source out there by Betty (is that possible?)

i started going the Horns-73 tour route and there's a whole lot to explore. other than a spot check here and there over the years , it's pretty much uncharted territory for me out there and so far its straight up mind blown. started with 9/11 and that show is fantastic, band totally on. that Let Me Sing is so fun to listen to - yep Keith gives a little yell in there! excellent intimate version and has me wanting more and wishing there had been more than the handful from this tour. I love the horn work on WRS. I think everybody is really inspired during this show. - among other thing there's a cool Bob led jam in Dark Star that reminds me (without doing an A/B) of (what I thought was) a one off in the DS jam from International Amphitheatre July 1974. And then Phil just starts CRUSHING it - honestly it was "holy cr*p!!" amazement. Probably not surprising but the Dark Star really reminds me in places of a favorite which is the DiP 19 10/19/73. The Morning Dew has got to be one of the finest - tough that the reel source drops for the climax but that is one fantastic 73 audience that fills the gap. currently on 9/17/73 - another great show. what is the crazy keyboard effect that keith is playing during Looks Like Rain?

"No hay way!" that Dave's 36 would be '87. Oh yeah - "Si hay way!" Que sorpresa, clearly no leaks on that one prior to announcement. while my preference is always going to be early 70s, '87 was a great year, saw a bunch of excellent shows, and welcome a release from that we-will-survive spring. I saw the first 2 shows in UIC Pavillion at end of the tour, and the first (4/9) is a freaking barn burner with a spot on Scarlet>Fire to open Set II (me, listening to the tuning - Julie it's Scarlet!! julie - how do you know?? me - it is!!) and a China Doll out of Space. i remember wandering Chief Hosa campground out above Morrison later that summer and hearing this crazy good Uncle John's jam coming from a boombox and when I asked them where it was from it was UIC 4/9, and I'm like oh yeah that was freaking excellent, I was there! So all in with the '87 Hartford whales.

For sure casting my vote for Senator Oro.

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months

Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 20:44

Permalink

“Any club that would have me as a member, I wouldn’t want to belong to” or as my ole long departed friend used to say “any women that would go out with me, I wouldn’t want to go out with”
I think we leave the senatorial duties in the experienced, competent hands of the senator from the great state of Nevada!
Bluecrow: welcome aboard the funky ass groove tour! Right, can’t believe it’s taken all these years to finally jump aboard this train. Did 9/20/73 today, good show, not so good sources.

EDIT: actually, I probably couldn’t do worse then whatever dipshit we get stuck with lol

user picture

Member for

8 years 6 months

Submitted by Lovemygirl on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 22:14

Permalink

Sorry ladies & gentleman’s, “double” down post, oops, my first time forgive me please!
🙏❤️💀🌹

user picture

Member for

8 years 1 month

Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 07:34

Permalink

Had a great time with this show Bob t. Good call. First Casey Jones and Duprees since .....
I would have to think this one will get released at some point. Of course it will cause complaining about another 77 release, but I would be excited.

Okay, enjoy the weekend all.

user picture

Member for

9 years 2 months

Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 08:43

Permalink

another show from Fall 77 that is ripe for release. also coming up on anniversary of the great yet under the radar 10/9/77 McNichols show.

just "spun" again the Eyes > WRS > Stella Blue from 9/17/73. love everything about it. and the horn accents on the Sugar Mag rave up - omfg. that horn tour is special.

*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmR-T0jilA&fbclid=IwAR0ls0YdWsaTrUhXK3up…
*Grateful Dead - ‘Touch Of Grey’ (Orchard Park, NY 7/4/89)
** “The second set-opening Touch Of Grey is a triumphant rendition, one that Dick Latvala, when he first heard it, commented 'that's the best Touch Of Grey I've ever heard!' This was the Dead's first full stadium tour as headliners (they played stadium tours in 1986 with Dylan and Petty, and in 1987 with Dylan), and they played so well during this tour that they made these massive venues feel intimate." - David Lemieux
*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmR-T0jilA&fbclid=IwAR0ls0YdWsaTrUhXK3up…
...man I love this show, Jerry is in high spirits as the video/Film speaks for its self! Have a grateful day everyone, put a little love in your heart!
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q360h88izsg 🙏❤️💀🌹

user picture

Member for

14 years

Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 10:33

Permalink

I'm adding this to my weekend queue. I just listened to the infamous pre-concert hangout with Jerry. It's great to hear Jerry prepping for the show, stringing his guitar, and talking about tunings, and just about any other topic that comes up. Got me in the mood for this show that I've never even heard before.

I was there with you Jim for that Merriweather Casey Jones opener! The song isn't a particular favorite of mine, but it sure felt like a true surprise back then.

Nice call Gollum

Great Pre-Show stuff!

Love hearing Jerry's thoughts and take on things.

I listened to this years ago, but things take on so much more meaning as you learn and understand who the players are and the stuff that was happening that they're discussing.

Kind of like the music.

And that's why we're all here.

Thanks for the tip, Good stuff!

user picture

Member for

17 years

Submitted by bob t on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 14:07

Permalink

If you are looking for something to listen to today and like anniversary show, take a listen.... 30 Trips release and the return of Good Lovin, only second time song by Bob, (10/20/74 first)....Disc 3 very unique.... Have a good weekend everyone..... Bob t

user picture

Member for

8 years 1 month

Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 07:48

Permalink

Okay, going to put this 30 Trips show on today a day late. Have not listened to this in a while.

Looking forward to Dave's 36 and the potential for the first 4 disc release. This series will continue on and will continue to sell out each release, despite the people that don't like the 1980s. I would love your unopened copies.