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  • #6691
    wilfredtjones
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    You know it's on Dave's radar as he has played some of it on 30 Days in past years. Good show and one of my first tapes. Keep the stories coming! :-)

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    So after basically staying up for 2 days at SPAC, we finally pack it up and hit the road the next day. I believe it was a rainy, gloomy day most of the day. But that didn’t stop our idiot patrol from basically racIng at high speed through the fine but conservative state of Pennsytuckey, where they were one of the last to let go of the 55 mph laws, and back then there usually wasn’t much tolerance. So 2 cars of totally raging nutknicks, with probably enough cargo to keep us detained for decades, thought it’d be a good idea to race at speeds up to 90!, Idiots!.....yes, one car had a radar detector, but in those days smart cops would wait for some nut traveling high speed and click it on when they had ya dead nuts.
    Luckily, all was well and it was one more “miracle” as we earnestly pursued our quest for “too much of everything is just enough”, aaaa, never considered back then maybe Bob was being sarcastic? Lol
    So we roll on into Chocolate town late and all beat up. I’m guessing we grabbed some kind of drive through, but not sure and as we were hardcore vegetarian then, perhaps we thought we’d grab something there? It’s all such a blur, I do recall the lot we were in had no or little Shakedown action going on. That still wasn’t in full flight anyway, and don’t recall much there, so maybe we drank our supper? I know I scored some Carlsberg Elephant beer, and believe I may have finished it, though that is a tall order even under good conditions so perhaps not. I’m sure I put in dent in it at least! So, that and the last of one z of veggies, though the tricky part was it was mostly just powder and scraps and so no normal produce to properly gage etc, which would turn out to be a tactical error...
    So it’s late, we’re tired, but tweaked, perhaps no dinner, and of course it’s horrible out. Dark, rainy, and cold is usually not how you want to do your Dead. Eventually we get in perfect time, slip right in front of the SB and try to make the best of the situation. Well I had a shirt, a black baseball jacket, and the electric Buffalo Hyde, but even still it was damp and cold at first. Eventually, when things started to take hold and we started boogieing, we began to warm up a bit.
    Meanwhile, the set list is awesome, but the conditions, which necessitated all the stage and PA speakers being covered in plastic (there was no stage lid) thereby severely effecting the audio. It’s was such a weird show that way, loved the little “stadium” and the nice audiophile stereo set up, with surrounds, great set list, mostly good playing, yes JGs vocals are a little ruff in the first set, but you have to cut some slack as it was terrible, I mean depending on the wind/rain they were getting rained on playing electrical instruments! Weird indeed, but like so many times in adverse conditions our heroes seemed to rise to the challenge. Thus the playing was perhaps more relaxed, steady and together and not forced like the previous night. Really, besides JGs vocal issues in the first, its a top notch show!
    The second set really starts to take it higher with stellar versions of Music Never Stopped, Terrapin, Miracle and one of the best Dews I’ve ever seen! I think I saw about 14 or 15 Dews and when I think about Dews I’ve seen, this one is the one I always think of first! Rocking Stones/NFA with a spirited Day Job. I liked Day Job, but by now it was getting a tad old, and was a disappointment for this show considering how high it was at that point. A She Belongs or Baby Blue would of been a perfect Cherry on top, but perhaps that’s being greedy?
    Now since the weather was such a factor, we must discuss that and how it influenced this show. The second set starts out with their “signing in the rain” as Bob says, and it’s a good’n! Next they slowly slid into an unusual sounding Tom Thumbs which I had never heard yet, and wasn’t even sure at first what it was, but hey, it was Phil so that’s all I needed to know! Good but perhaps truncated Estimated, followed by an awesome Terrapin. So as the set started to progress, so did the weather until (I think?) around Estimated it really started to clear up and they started pulling the plastic tarps down. It was almost like you could immediately hear it get better after each one was removed. Eventually by about Terrapin, they tarps we’re gone, the moon and stars were out, and Healy started increasing the volume and tweaking the mix. I remember we were goading him to turn it up, and man eventually he sure did!
    As the night wore on it began to warm up a bit too. But as you’ve heard this scenario, or been there yourself, many times I didn’t feel quite high enough so what the hell, one more time with the powder veggie crumbles just before drums......hee-hee....you know, “I’m not feeling it?” and then...Dooah!
    So the problem with those baseball jackets is they don’t really breath and the electric Buffalo Hyde was thick plastic. We didn’t have all the nice technical outer gear we have now, or at least WE didn’t. I could barely afford the free plastic one from the old mans work.
    Well a perfect storm mounted; little or no food, Elephants, veggies etc, no sleep, excess everything and underlying exhaustion, with me starting to overheat due to the above and dancing with that plastic shell on. Things were going unbelievable well, and partly influenced by the very recent passing of my Grandfather, during Dew, things peaked musically, the sound, the night, the stars, emotionally etc etc until I had one of the most powerful musical/emotional/psychedelic peak experiences of my life. Perhaps my all time GD moment, it was that powerful. But what goes up must come down and just like that the radiator blew and that last handful of shroom dust fully kicked in and somewhere in Throwing Stones, right during ashes, ashes all fall down, well.....I say i didn’t really fall down, it was more like an immediate realization that if I don’t sit down rapidly, I’m going down! LOL, so one way or another, depending on who you believe, I end up down in the soft, cool mud until near the end of the song, but I swear just as I tried to get up I knew it wasn’t going to happen, so right on que again I go back down. My friends to this day always bring up my perfectly coreographed “Dance moves” above all else that happened on this tour..35 years later and it’s still “ashes, ashes, Pedro falls down” !
    That would of all been well and good except things were very strange and weren’t wearing off, and I was barely functioning. I never would of found the car etc If not for my homies. Honestly all I remember is them pulling into a Wendy’s or something, but I just sat in the car with my face literally stuck to the window and crackled! Zzzzttttt. I really thought I had finally fried some essential circuits and thought this time I really did it. At some point I snapped out enough to find some kids in another car staring at me with a look of concern if not fear. Luckily, the boys finished up and came out and got us outta there. Somewhere near the state line we finally grabbed a motel as we all had had more than enough rain and adversity. Plus the next day was off and the drive short. I remember they propped me up in bed and I just sat and crackled and worried. Eventually I slept and though I felt better the next day, I didn’t feel normal and don’t recall much except when we got to Merriweather and found a good spot just over the creek, right next to the path, in some trees, on the way to the big parking lots to the right of the venue. But now it was nice and I was feeling more normal so not so freaked out. I also remember going to a nearby sorta plaza with an upscale liquor store where I scored my first sixer of EKU 28 ever which was awesome!
    So now we’ve moved beyond the insanity of TOGA, the adversity and majesty of Hershey, and ready for perhaps the best overall show of the tour on 6/30/85....

    EDIT: Otis, congrats on the stereo. All that matters is if your happy with it. After all the specs and hyperbole etc, no matter how big, small, expensive etc, in the end, that’s all that counts!

  • #6693
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    Nice rec for the TDIGDH 6/28/76 show! I'd never heard that one before, and it is pretty sweet. The "Happiness is Drumming" is certainly a highlight!

    I have been out of the loop for a bit - trying to deal with some personal stuff on my end, and I just kind of lost track of things around these parts. I hope to be able to participate more going forward.

    To that end, how about a pick for tomorrow, Monday 6/29? I am thinking Dave's 31 - 12/3/79 Uptown. I feel like this pick got a short shrift on the DaP page, but I remember being very happy with it, though I haven't given it a proper listen since it first came out. What do you all think?

    One positive thing that I have accomplished since I've been away has been the set up of my first component stereo system. I don't know if it compares to all of your "big boy" systems, but it certainly feels BIG in my little row home! Looking forward to playing it LOUD tomorrow when the wife goes to work.

    Peace

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    Bode Miller...

    First, GOGD, I did not mean to single you out, over generalizations, which become stereotypes, which become truth etc, really bum me out. So it was more of a trigger to that, not you personally. I know you were just repeating this line.
    Actually, as I’ve dug in deeper, there are probably a significant number of shows where he often doesn’t sound so good, but to over generalize that “his voice was shot”, as in never more, to me, imho, that completely devalues and discounts all the amazing, great sounding stuff he was still able to do. 87,88,89,90,91anyone? Micro view versus macro perhaps?

    SECOND: I must humbly recant my tale of dancin in the rain. As we were diligently experiencing TOGA last night. Too things became apparent. First, perhaps JG was a tad “caffeinated” at the start of both sets. Listening close on a real system, (not the big boy, but the living room system which ain’t no slouch!), he seems a tad to fast and/or their not fully entrained. One could argue not fully so until Women Are?...so probably something to do with him totally skipping the Key Rain Storm, and Jailhouse versus, of Bertha, lol.
    Thus, while I wasn’t deceitful, I was not accurate. Sure enough, when Holmes and Watson ripped a spleef and fired up Bertha from SPAC 6/24/84, and bingo, ding, ding, ding, ding! Right venue, wrong year! 😂 Ooops, my apologies to the dear reader...but hey, it’s a fun interesting new tid bit, and it did rain, I think, lol.
    While doing this research I was listening just on the iPad and interestingly he doesn’t sound as bad? Also, I’ve been going with the HS matrixes, especially shows where I want to hear those crowd big moments. Generally they’ve been pretty good, but researching, I used a CM transfer and man, definitely a big difference. Perhaps number one being the speed/time of the Miller seemed better and more natural?
    Subjective I know, just that it’s interesting how every variable can effect perceptions.
    6/27/85: so this beast is still as much of a rocket sled ride as I’ve thought, but it’s perhaps a tad more unpolished then I would of said in the past. But that’s being picky, and you know I prefer danger dead to safe, so as at this moment, Hell in a bucket is scorching, I stick by this show for that, the cool set list, and the fact that eventually, say around Women Are on out, that part of the show stands with its lofty summer 85 neighbors. Probably have to give 6/24& perhaps 6/25? a slight advantage overall, but man I haven’t been to many shows that had the vibe, fun, and overall madness of this puppy.

    So why is 85 Dead like Bode Miller? He often was criticized for his erratic style, or lack thereof, his nonconformity, often disregard for the rules, including parting then basically going 80 MPH down an insane pitch, that was usually hosed down to make it more icy, and thus faster! So just like this era of Dead, sometimes he’d DQ, sometimes he’d slack off, sometimes it was ugly, but when he brought it, that mofo brought it!! and when he was able to be one with the force, it was fucking breathtaking! Scary, but breathtaking. No matter what, if he was racing there was an energy, an excitement, that larger than life vibe......that, to me, is 85 Dead.
    FINALLY: Ladies and Germs, May I present the Electric Buffalo Hyde! as christened by my degenerate cohort due to my resemblance of the great beast of the prairies back in the day, and this baby used to be so bright people would ask if there were batteries. But Alas, like youth itself it’s faded dramatically, and is old and bartered. It definitely gave it’s all to R&R. So many Dead shows, festivals, camping, parties, you name it! Also, it will be a part of an unfortunate situation at the next night, where I lost my shit in Hershey! So until then....

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    If you are too busy to listen to whole show, listen to Happiness is Drumming from set II, if you have never heard or listened to listen you will be pleasantly surprised!!! There is a Charlie Miller soundboard on Internet Archive!!!! bob t

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    The Good Ole G…
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    Sounds like the ole SPAC '85 show will get some play today.

    Always a fun revisit. Vguy & Keithfan that was you guys?! That's funny.

    I guess I always thought this was an indoor show because of the balcony stuff and didn't know about the rain storm.

    Tell us more.

    And just for the record if I happen to say Jerry's voice is shot, what I mean to say is I love Jerry's voice, even though it's a little shot here. ;)

    I agree, it always sounds great to me.

    Enjoy party people!

  • #6697
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    We were out on the lawn so actually there were many drops, I mean it was already raining hard, and right when he sang that line, biblical!, but it just added to the madness and was one of my favorite concert/rain moments ever! I believe that’s right when folks crashed security on those balcony ramp ways and turned it into a free for all? Yeah, that was the shit, such energy all around, but that rain just took it to another level. Luckily I had my electric buffalo Hyde on! .....it was a psychedelic neon yellow long rain coat with
    BS CORP
    WORK SAFELY (from pops work) printed on back, and a Dancin skeleton sticker underneath that I added. Still have it! I should take a pic and post...fond it moving last year.

  • #6698
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    Deadheadbrewer: yeah, I’m with you, I can’t keep up with these rascals! Pant-pant 😉
    Haven’t done Riverbend, Nassau or Dane. Prolly give Nassau a spin this WE. Dane I’ve tried to stay away from cause ya gotta believe their going to give us that one someday! Bastards better! and I’d prefer it on virginal ears!
    hey, by the way, how you guys coming on that tunnel under the vault?
    So I listen to Riverbend 6/24/85 sort regularly so no biggie there except in the sense of comparing shows. Except It’s cool to go in order to see the subtle changes and how things progress. Like 6/25/85, definitely have felt a ascending arc since the first night in Alpine. Funny thing is I don’t think I’ve heard the second set of this one before? Had a tape of the first all along, but I think it was a tad too crisp so didn’t get as much love as the shows around it. Plus I think maybe I harbored some subliminal resentment for the show because of our decision to skip it to go to Toga early like we did in 84, which was awesome. Obviously if it made us skip a show that close to home, but Doooaahhh. So not sure how it’s the shows fault. LOL, but I think somehow I’ve had some weird thing about this show that has kept me away? Sorry, ramblings of a deranged lunatic!
    Anywho, finally gave this bad boy a spin yesterday, though had to do it in 2 sessions as life just keeps buttin’ in like a 3 year old when mom and dad are trying to get down! Man what a show. The only really noticeable hiccup I recall was JG at the start of Jimmy, and Bob missed a vocal, really a great set, better than I remember, though I always liked it, just the tape was lesser then the others...
    Second set was hot too, though perhaps they lost just a little near the end? Or maybe that was me as it was late, and by that time on a Friday this ole cowboy is usually not feeling much pain! I recall a couple little blemishes, but so what, you name any show, anyone, and I can find stuff wrong. And sorry, but I’m kinda over hearing about how terrible JGs voice is. Yes, sometimes it’s ruff, but sometimes I think the gravelly age worn voice ADDs to the affect of the songs, which is perhaps what he did best. And frankly, I’ll take the gravel voice singing in tune over a lot of that 1970 stuff we’re between the guitars and the vocals something is ALWAYS out of tune. That’s torturous for a musician.
    Now I’m not trying to diss anyone’s favorite Dead etc, just stating an opinion that people perhaps overdo it with the voice comments. My favorite is when people say “I can’t listen to anything after 77”....ok, we’ll that’s cool as it’s your choice and all, but I’d say really you just have made up your mind you don’t want to like anything after that, and you probably haven’t heard enough and with the right kind of ears. Seriously, I challenge anyone to pick a “perfect” “best of “ show and if I have time I will find the cracks!
    But that’s missing the point which is ITS ALL GOOD! and every era has something positive that the others don’t have. It’s all ways been yin yang folks, there is no such thing as a perfect show, except in our minds eye, which is quite A ok.
    Ok, rant over, I’m obviously biased about my beloved 85!
    Which brings us back to TOOOOOOOGGGGAAAAA!! Yo Butch, back in your seat, there’s 50 thousand people waiting for you to get back in your seat! Madness, the whole scene there was just surreal fucking madness, but in a good way.
    I’m actually going to try and call my old house/band mates at the time as we all went. 2 I think went to blossom, and Pittsburgh. That one too, like WTF basically could of stopped by on the ride home from Merriweather, idiots! Lol, actually, I’m not sure I could have done another show. I may have caused permanent damage at Hershey, and thank god for that day off that I can’t recall much about, and I did take it a tad easier after, but not much. We ate so many veggies on that run that nobody would believe it. But I know what I came with and what was left after so.....looking back, it’s all kinda scary, we’re lucky we never had any real casualties of any sort. Few close calls, but nothing major, phewwww.
    So going to call the lads, and fire up Toga tonight as We have to do a Zoom wedding this afternoon. We were supposed to be out at the Promised land for said wedding and a actual vacation, first since Seattle in ?? 2012!
    Think Homer Simpson “oohhhh, Ssstttooooopid Covid”
    Speaking of living via the net, was that not a fine show on Shakedown last night! Didn’t have the fire like the night before, but a fine well played outing, thanks so much to Dave and Co. for giving us this nice diversion. It’s getting to b3 a regular weekly thing, and gasp, the Mrs has actually been joining me and digging it! .....as long as I give her a good foot massage (usually during drums). She really digs the trippy graphics and colors which is even funnier as she’s never partaken except booze back in da day, it’s like giving a kid castor oil just getting her to have a beer, lol. So yeah, this Friday thing has been like the “ONE” in our music! Right on! and please keep em coming!
    Ok, gotta try and call the guys and reminisce before the wedding. Then.....drum rolls please..........TOOooooGa!

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    but there are black clouds building on the horizon here. Looks like a thunderous day on the river is in store for me. Got my waterproof device loaded with 6/27/85, thanks to the gentle steering of the GOGD.

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    Ran into a rainstorm, indeed!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 13:40

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I like this tour. I agree with Jim that 9/11/73 is the strongest show of this tour !!! I also like the 9/15/73 show that you are listening to also.. Love Phil during Truckin when he says, "Howard Cosell said that" after long strange trip line....Just finished my American University 9/30/72 show.... Now putting on one other anniversary show, Mershon Auditorium from 9/30/76... Started listening to this part of that tour after Cobo 10/3/76 was released on 30 trips..... (that's another listen in a few days)... bob t

Listening to Phil's 50th birthday show today. Love this show. The Terrapin, Mock Turtle Jam is sweet.
Great Althea, Tom Thumbs Blues.
Revolution closer.

If you haven't listened to this one in a while, check it out. The official release from 1997 still stands the test of time.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/30/2020 - 20:07

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Was it 1997? It was (is) a limited release and it's still for sale. I wonder what the production run was? Weren't they going to build a trippy GD theme park or something with the proceeds? What a long strange trip it's been.

Great show, great recording.. a taste of what would become decades later when they released the whole tour.

What's in store for tomorrow? Oro, anyone?

..and Strider/Gollum.. I am right there with you. I think I saw Hot Tuna doing a few acoustic songs the first time during intermission at the Jefferson Airplane reunion tour in '87, at Merriweather. Ziggy Marley opened. Then it took me some time to see them again, I forget when.. but I have been patiently chipping away at shows since that time and now they #2 with the GD being the band I have seen the most. Jorma is a living American legend. An unbelievable talent and I agree.. the real deal. I feel the same way about the NRPS, I would make it a point to see them at least once when they were on the same side of the continental divide as me, but with Buddy Cage gone and David Nelson getting up there in years I fear seeing who is left will be few and far between.

On the same stream of consciousness.. I avoided the GD cover band incarnations for years, until 2007. I have to admit it felt weird.. seeing Jerry clones up on stage but I have gotten over that. I enjoy it, including Dead & Company. Bygones.. I like GD music and just hearing someone perform those sacred songs puts me in a good place. I saw Phil's band doing a sweet interpretation of Peggy-O early on.. with some incredible, soft and classy fiddle and I think pedal steel(?). It brought back bittersweet memories. I am happy people are out there carrying the torch. I do agree with what has been written, it's not the same but I am happier being a part of it all than, well, what is it we are supposed to do besides..... Nevermind.. I will gracefully quit while I am behind.

Have a great week all.

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Hey Jim, I also love NRPS but only saw them once live. I was going to see David Nelson for the first time at the Ventura Skull&Roses fest last April but of course it was cancelled. Billy K was also supposed to be there. Such a bummer.

This gives me a chance to tell my Marmaduke/Reno story. Forgive me, I've told it here before but I can't resist. I went to an NRPS show in Reno in the mid 80's. Only Marmaduke and two others showed up. Marmaduke explained that the rest of the band was in jail, having been busted for weed at the previous gig at Tahoe. He played a great "Friend of the Devil". So, there's Marmaduke singing "Friend of the Devil", a song he co-wrote, in Reno, with real sheriffs out on the trail. How cool is that? Sorry, I couldn't resist.

But I digress.... what are we listening to tomorrow? Isn't the weekend coming up?!

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John Dawson came into the music store my brother works in ( Gryphon Stringed Instruments in Palo Alto) and my brother picked up an acoustic guitar and played I Don't Know You and John Dawson sang the song. My brother talked to him for a long time. My brother said he was super friendly , just a real cool guy.

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Submitted by Gollum on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 00:03

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That's great, Billy! I wonder how John wound up teaching English in Mexico. I guess he was a very private sort of person.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 04:56

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...Greetings everyone! wishing everyone a grateful Thursday today! I see another grateful post from stridder, excellent as always my friend & thank you for sharing With all us DeadHead members Here, bravo!
Concerning ‘DeadVkings’, how about The “Primo” ‘Warfield’ - RSD Release was sourced from The original recordings done by Betty and it’s important to know these tapes were never officially released or used on any past release official or not from the Warfield! Two solid LPs of “acoustic” Grateful Dead with Pristine & clean recordings, mastering & mix! An excellent snap shot of the dead doing their best playing & paying tribute to the Americana music style at the time in history.
Concerning ‘New riders of the purple Sage‘, my cousin is the Bass Player so the new riders are apart of my extended family for over 40 years now! What a long strange trip it’s been!
Take care everyone, be safe be kind & rock On!
Decided early this morning I’m starting my day listening to Dave’s Picks #9! 5/14/74 ‘Adams Field House’ MT beautiful!
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 06:39

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There are some fine shows to be mined there if you can handle midi-fied Dead. Was there a Scarlet>Fire on that tour? I know they shied away from it on 10-14, but I can't think of another yet that month.

these are all classic lps, blows has mau mau, a great protest song, when I was in high school, I was in the back of civics class and there was a blackboard, I wrote down the lyrics to Mau Mau for all to see, it stopped class and I was first chastised for what I did, later, I was applauded. starfighter has earthmother, and baron has flowers in the night, another great protest song. "Old man get some solders, keep them close at hand, the seeds that were sown yesterday now flower in the land, guard yourselves most carefully military might, plants that can not bloom by day must flower in the night" seems to fit right in to today. I mean didn't Nixon want his brown shirted followers to "stand by" and want his sheep to go and "watch the polls"?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 07:31

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They were a bit scarce in 89.. but there were three in October. Some of this second set thunder was replaced by Dark Star, Death Don't, Attics, etc. Funny, I was just thinking about S>F in response to some 80's posts made on the Dave's Picks 35 thread.. that one of the big pulls for me in the 80's is Scarlet>Fire. Scarlet Begonias has that infectious, funky groove that just pulls me in. I can't imagine passing over these years altogether. Those opening two chords.. it sets the direction for the rest of the show.

89 Scarlet > Fires, 12 times played of 73 shows or once every six shows that year.

02/06/89- Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center - Oakland, CA
03/27/89- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/06/89- Crisler Arena (University Of Michigan) - Ann Arbor, MI
04/16/89- The Mecca - Milwaukee, WI
06/21/89- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA
07/18/89- Alpine Valley Music Theater - East Troy, WI
08/06/89- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
10/01/89- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
10/14/89- Brendan Byrne Arena - East Rutherford, NJ
10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA
12/06/89- Oakland Coliseum Arena - Oakland, CA

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 08:40

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You all covered a lot of ground yesterday. Nice work!

Bob T how’s Tour? One more show to go.
Can’t wait to hear all the tour stories.
I listened to tapes of the Stanley Theatre shows, they are sick!
Especially dig the Dark Star > Cumberland, Attics, Promised, UJB I heard yesterday from 9/27.
Wonderful wonderful stuff. 24 minutes into the furthest reaches of Dark Star the band pulls back the curtain and unloads the first and only verse. Too much!
Really enjoyed that.
Still working through 9/26 just finished a real nice PITB at start of Set 2, and liking the looks of this set list, Stand Up, Sit Down, Stand Up, Turn Around, Stand On Your Heads, Woo Hoo. Dig it.

Marmaduke sure does seem like a kind hearted sole, I like the scene in Last Days of Fillmore where he gets the balloon for the little kid. Great stories Gollum & BTK!

Have you all heard “In The Morning” outtake from Surrealistic Pillow with Jerry G? Killer ’66 Jerry jams on that one, stumbled across it the other day. Well worth seeking out. It’s on YouTube.

DeadVikes with those 1980 Warfield / Radio City shows, I think most of it still exists in the vault. What DL was saying was “Unfortunately a lot of that was erased.” So I think it’s a scenario where you don’t have a couple of reels for a few shows, seems like all the acoustic stuff was saved. I think the SBDs that circulate pretty much reflect what’s in the vault. But, goes to show you don’t ever know.

I see OB went out on Sept ’73 horns tour.. WAAAAApppRR, SQUEAK, RARRRRP ;)

There’s some skeevy tapes, cringey stuff, but some gems as well, looking forward to the road reports.

Alright, keep up the good work you all.
I think I should be done with this ’72 jones after this 9/26 show raps up.

What’s that you say VGuy? 4/5/89

Hopefully we can make American Beauty - The Angel’s Share Outtakes a POD.
Links not working yet… Exciting!

Yasss, finally inchin my way through this groovy 73 horn tour. Can’t believe I’ve never gone there, especially since fall/winter 73 has always been one of my top tours. Really dig those last ten of the year with just the true five piece.
Speaking of, I believe proudfoot was just waving the 12/18/73 banner on the other board. Can’t wait till we get that one!

So did 9/15/73 yesterday and it definitely seemed better than the previous show. Perhaps a bit more upbeat from the get go. Aud of the first set not great, but by the historical standards not bad, listenable. Second set SB much better. Not being a taper though I don’t have a good reference point. In fact back in the day 73, hell pretty much any pre hiatus tapes were hard for us to come by, at least good sounding ones...were so spoiled now my reference point has been skewed big time, which is nice!
Been listening at work so not ideal conditions as far as sound and concentration but in some ways that’s better. Much is subliminal in the background but often when something stands out I’ll really start to notice. Tennessee and Playing did so in the first. Believe I thought the Bird Song was mediocre? Second set was great. The progression with the horns is interesting as it seems both the band and the horns get a little bit tighter every show. You can definitely tell what they were more familiar with i.e., WRS/LIG and what they seem to be winging it on i.e., Truckin’, Mags etc..
I like the horns, though due to the idiosyncrasies of SBs they’re perhaps too up in the mix which would make sense...
I also assume that in typical GD fashion they probably didn’t have a ton of rehearsal? Perhaps one of you in the know intrepid travelers is familiar with some history on this? Would love to learn more about this unique tour.

Would you want to have the horns all the time? Probably not, though if they had a side player who’d work for rate yet still have the chops, it might have been interesting to have someone more often to play specific parts with charts etc, but that’s not very GD lol. Like if they had parts all worked out like in the studio for Estimated etc it might be cool.
To me this was the same problem with Clarence or Bradford. It sometimes seemed like everyone was just blowing or noodling at the same time and not always hitting the group improve X factor?
Hell, imho that sometimes happened with Bruce and Vince in the mix too. I’ve always felt like the Dead could get too bogged down with too many voices. One reason I love the 71-74 five piece so much; all that space in the mix...

Ok, enough ramblin, on to the Cuse! Must of been awesome to see/hear that pre 74 like wall set up in that building.
Saw them there a couple times before they switched to that horrible dome, and though it did have a bit of a sonic signature like many of those old “war memorials”, I dug the place. Saw a great JGB show there in 93 I believe?

Scarlet>Truckin' I thought. Maybe somebody beat me to that correction but I'm just scanning the posts and saw Jim's analysis. I'll check out Crisler and 10/20 Scar>fire because I want to hear it. :-) Have a Grateful Day all! Thanks essential workers...Today's Thursday which means tomorrow is Friday by the way... :-)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:12

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is mighty fine!
I like that 4/5 show, have a copy I ripped from a tape on my machine...Makes me want to go there, but I’m all into this 73 trip especially going in order to see how things progress etc.

FALL 89 and S/Fires... Jim, thanks for the nice list. Lucky I saw Alpine and Philly. I haven’t heard everything on that tour yet, but I’m familiar with most except Charlotte and the first Jersey show or 2...
Think there’s potential for a great box here, with great shows and mighty multi-tracks! Not sure we’d need the whole tour but I’d say a couple more from Jersey, definitely the Spectrum Shows, one if not both ?? from Charlotte and the other Miami show, with perhaps some of the Shoreline shows? Only familiar with 9/29 which would go nicely with said box, not familiar with the other 2 yet? These would make a nice 10-12 show box!
Can’t recall specifically about the Philly Scarlet/Fire but remember that whole show, hell that whole run was great.
Hey Pockey way which was always a favorite Brent tune, into S/F, Truckin’ and TOO I believe before drums, after one of those “ya had to be” there moments fir California Earthquake to end the first. That still gives me goosebumps!
Yeah I’m way biased but really hoping someday sooner than later we get all or part of this tour

EDIT: damn, now y’all got me thinking I need to hit this tour next BobT style! So I better hurry up and get going on 73 LOL!

EDIT: oops, I guess Alpine was Sugar Mag/Scarlet, no Fire...I’ll blame that on a Jim not my senility 😉

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:32

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Because 4-6-89 was my first show.
So I like it better than 4-5.
I should have gone to both nights, but that pesky job thing got in the way.

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:53

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Well, nobody guessed that. 3/26/87 and 3/27/87 Hartford CT

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 10:55

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No one saw that coming.

But I do now see a lot of complaining coming.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 11:09

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Dang it.. Was calling Pigpen Era, thought Dave had left me a nice breadcrumb trail to it.

Alright, 1987 it is, I've been known to partake.

My 17 year old self would've freaked out with excitement!!
So I'll let that guy drive this train. Woo-Hoo!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 11:38

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Ooops.. something went way wrong with my list. Let me redo it...

Went from 12 to 6, and only one in October. Sorry about that..

03/27/89- The Omni - Atlanta, GA
04/06/89- Crisler Arena (University Of Michigan) - Ann Arbor, MI
04/16/89- The Mecca - Milwaukee, WI
07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA
08/06/89- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 10/01/2020 - 12:04

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Holy shit 1987! Yes, I think I guaranteed it would not be from the 1980s. I was way off.

This is great, Dave is definitely keeping us on our toes and I am super excited for this release. 87 is hot! Love it. What a year!

Now, let's top it off with another box!

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 04:06

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Looks like only one Shakedown that month and I read it's a good one, too (Compendium)

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Submitted by Dark-Star on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 04:22

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Very happy for those who enjoy the Brent years. I saw plenty of shows and he was not really that audible so they were a blast. On tape I just can't stomach that gravelly voice and plinky keyboard. I envy you guys. Funny thing is I enjoy a good 1980 show. He used to blend in much better with the band with a Hammond at Pigpen level of volume and smoother voice.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 06:29

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Hello from Springfield MA!! Last day of my virtual Sept 72 tour.... Anyone want to jump ahead with me 5 years today and listen to this show>>> Casey Jones return after 3 years to start the first set and a smoking Set II Have a good weekend all.. Crisler was a good listen and call yesterday.. Bob t

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 07:04

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Wow, what a day for Dead Heads!

Gifts galore.

My favorite things:
1. Deadcast - Gary Lambert's eye witness account of Jerry playing keys during the 9/17/70 Acoustic set at the Fillmore East.
(line up was: Jerry Keys, Phil Guitar, Nelson Guitar, Tolbert Bass, Billy Drums, Mickey Percussion, Pigpen Organ, Bobby Vocals.)
2. American Beauty Angel's Share Demos & More to come (Demos are out of sight!)
3. Highly anticipated announcement of DaP V36
(An official release from Spring Tour '87! I've heard the Ultramatrix, and Taper's Section of SBD, now bring on the normanized version from the hottest tour I got to be a part of.)

Kinda knocks your socks off.
That's how it's done folks, 25 years after the band has packed and gone and they've still got me on the edge of my seat waiting for what's next.
Well done, well done, hats off to all who are making this happen, you all are doing great stuff!!
(BTW if you need any help, lmk!)

10/2/77 is a smoker.
Nice Pick.
Can't wait to hear about tour when you're back home.

Okay.. Happy Friday!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 09:01

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Saw one CJ opener in my life, and I believe the only time they did this post hiatus. It was Merriweather '84 and the first show of the summer tour within range of the interstate '95 corridor. Interstate 95 runs from Miami up the coast through Washington DC, Baltimore, Philly, New York City, Providence and Boston. One can surmise why they picked this as the opener. Could have been because at the time the I95 corridor was paved with the white powder? We will never know for sure..

The show had the ever present vocal (and other) anomalies of the time, but it was and it was a rocker. I am embarrassed to admit I shamelessly traded my good seats in the pavilion for front row center just by faking it and boldly walking up front. Very inconsiderate I would never do that now - I was young and stupid but man was that show fun. The kids they dance they shake their bones...

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 11:07

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10/18/89 Shakedown, yaaasssss, it was real, and it was spectacular lol
9/17/73: continuing my journey. I feel like every show on this tour they all get a little more comfortable with the different format, especially the horn players, which makes sense.
This show seemed to pick up on the previous show and continue to step it up. The second sets seem especially upbeat, like they were starting to really get into it. (A pattern on this tour).
Seemed like this SB was relatively good too, though my listening variables are such that I can’t fully comment on that.
It’s been fun so far, I’ve really been enjoying the trip.
Though it’s hard to carve the time out, and sometimes takes discipline to not jump around to something else, I really think doing a whole tour in order is a fascinating way to gain a better understanding of the continuous change and nuance that occurred over the course of a tour. It’s one thing to jump from tour to tour or year to year and catch the perhaps more noticeable differences, but it’s more enlightening to pick up on them during their actual evolution.
Perhaps the biggest example Is Let Me Sing a Your Blues Away. Most interesting is the removal of the jam after only the first night I believe? I kinda dug it even though Kieth has to basically yell at them to return to the main song body, but it had an energy/potential to it. Curious if this was fostered by KG, someone else, or the band as a whole?
Ok, onward to the Rectum and 9/20/73. Interestingly looks like no WRS/LIG this night, or is it just incomplete?
Not at home so no deadbase, and can’t seem to find anything on line to contradict?
Anywho, enjoy your day eh!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 14:32

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I was checking the polls on the Dave's Picks 35 thread. Apparently, Oroborous is a shoe in to be the next Senator from Colorado.

Wave the flag!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 16:42

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Oroborous will need to file paperwork, and the way he has been treated by USPS lately makes me think that his election registration paperwork will get ‘lost’, then ‘returned to sender’, then ‘lost’ again.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 17:55

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but as I recall in the end he got what he wanted. Multiple people on the DaP 35 thread are saying he can speak for them. It's a real grass roots effort. I see dead.net having two Senators in another month. And why shouldn't we? We should all be Senators, what could possibly go wrong?

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 20:00

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back to the usual normal, a few steps behind the pack. first, though, hope folks weren't too taken aback at my insistence and enthusiasm for 9/28/72. yes, i sorta like that show. some tough reel gaps in Bear's first set, hoping there's a second reel source out there by Betty (is that possible?)

i started going the Horns-73 tour route and there's a whole lot to explore. other than a spot check here and there over the years , it's pretty much uncharted territory for me out there and so far its straight up mind blown. started with 9/11 and that show is fantastic, band totally on. that Let Me Sing is so fun to listen to - yep Keith gives a little yell in there! excellent intimate version and has me wanting more and wishing there had been more than the handful from this tour. I love the horn work on WRS. I think everybody is really inspired during this show. - among other thing there's a cool Bob led jam in Dark Star that reminds me (without doing an A/B) of (what I thought was) a one off in the DS jam from International Amphitheatre July 1974. And then Phil just starts CRUSHING it - honestly it was "holy cr*p!!" amazement. Probably not surprising but the Dark Star really reminds me in places of a favorite which is the DiP 19 10/19/73. The Morning Dew has got to be one of the finest - tough that the reel source drops for the climax but that is one fantastic 73 audience that fills the gap. currently on 9/17/73 - another great show. what is the crazy keyboard effect that keith is playing during Looks Like Rain?

"No hay way!" that Dave's 36 would be '87. Oh yeah - "Si hay way!" Que sorpresa, clearly no leaks on that one prior to announcement. while my preference is always going to be early 70s, '87 was a great year, saw a bunch of excellent shows, and welcome a release from that we-will-survive spring. I saw the first 2 shows in UIC Pavillion at end of the tour, and the first (4/9) is a freaking barn burner with a spot on Scarlet>Fire to open Set II (me, listening to the tuning - Julie it's Scarlet!! julie - how do you know?? me - it is!!) and a China Doll out of Space. i remember wandering Chief Hosa campground out above Morrison later that summer and hearing this crazy good Uncle John's jam coming from a boombox and when I asked them where it was from it was UIC 4/9, and I'm like oh yeah that was freaking excellent, I was there! So all in with the '87 Hartford whales.

For sure casting my vote for Senator Oro.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 20:44

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“Any club that would have me as a member, I wouldn’t want to belong to” or as my ole long departed friend used to say “any women that would go out with me, I wouldn’t want to go out with”
I think we leave the senatorial duties in the experienced, competent hands of the senator from the great state of Nevada!
Bluecrow: welcome aboard the funky ass groove tour! Right, can’t believe it’s taken all these years to finally jump aboard this train. Did 9/20/73 today, good show, not so good sources.

EDIT: actually, I probably couldn’t do worse then whatever dipshit we get stuck with lol

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Fri, 10/02/2020 - 22:14

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Sorry ladies & gentleman’s, “double” down post, oops, my first time forgive me please!
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 07:34

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Had a great time with this show Bob t. Good call. First Casey Jones and Duprees since .....
I would have to think this one will get released at some point. Of course it will cause complaining about another 77 release, but I would be excited.

Okay, enjoy the weekend all.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 08:43

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another show from Fall 77 that is ripe for release. also coming up on anniversary of the great yet under the radar 10/9/77 McNichols show.

just "spun" again the Eyes > WRS > Stella Blue from 9/17/73. love everything about it. and the horn accents on the Sugar Mag rave up - omfg. that horn tour is special.

*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmR-T0jilA&fbclid=IwAR0ls0YdWsaTrUhXK3up…
*Grateful Dead - ‘Touch Of Grey’ (Orchard Park, NY 7/4/89)
** “The second set-opening Touch Of Grey is a triumphant rendition, one that Dick Latvala, when he first heard it, commented 'that's the best Touch Of Grey I've ever heard!' This was the Dead's first full stadium tour as headliners (they played stadium tours in 1986 with Dylan and Petty, and in 1987 with Dylan), and they played so well during this tour that they made these massive venues feel intimate." - David Lemieux
*** https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmR-T0jilA&fbclid=IwAR0ls0YdWsaTrUhXK3up…
...man I love this show, Jerry is in high spirits as the video/Film speaks for its self! Have a grateful day everyone, put a little love in your heart!
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q360h88izsg 🙏❤️💀🌹

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Submitted by Gollum on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 10:33

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I'm adding this to my weekend queue. I just listened to the infamous pre-concert hangout with Jerry. It's great to hear Jerry prepping for the show, stringing his guitar, and talking about tunings, and just about any other topic that comes up. Got me in the mood for this show that I've never even heard before.

I was there with you Jim for that Merriweather Casey Jones opener! The song isn't a particular favorite of mine, but it sure felt like a true surprise back then.

Nice call Gollum

Great Pre-Show stuff!

Love hearing Jerry's thoughts and take on things.

I listened to this years ago, but things take on so much more meaning as you learn and understand who the players are and the stuff that was happening that they're discussing.

Kind of like the music.

And that's why we're all here.

Thanks for the tip, Good stuff!

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 10/03/2020 - 14:07

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If you are looking for something to listen to today and like anniversary show, take a listen.... 30 Trips release and the return of Good Lovin, only second time song by Bob, (10/20/74 first)....Disc 3 very unique.... Have a good weekend everyone..... Bob t

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 10/04/2020 - 07:48

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Okay, going to put this 30 Trips show on today a day late. Have not listened to this in a while.

Looking forward to Dave's 36 and the potential for the first 4 disc release. This series will continue on and will continue to sell out each release, despite the people that don't like the 1980s. I would love your unopened copies.