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    Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • Slow Dog Noodle
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    Manipulative?

    would be if this fourth pick was a Dead and Co show.

  • itsburnsy
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    I like the name Kraken, my first choice was Sockeyes though. Drove by the official store (South Lake Union) last Saturday but didn't stop in. Can't wait to get like a 4 game ticket package.

    #36 is a surprise. The occasional 80's release is all good, but 2 in a row, c'mon Dave. The fourth pick of the year has historically been a solid (but not long pole) show to get us pumped for the sub. I'll postpone judgement until I hear it in it's re-mastered glory, but seems like a weak follow up to a mediocre '84 show. Anyway, can't wait to get the sub info for 37 and 38.

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    Love all the comments so far, and the diversity of opinion. Going back to when Dick’s Picks started, I only bought the shows that really pricked up my ears(68-72) mostly, and continued with Road Trips series. After boxzilla, I had a change of heart, and then had to go back(it’s that collector gene/defect) and fill in all the blanks. It wasn’t too embarrassingly expensive thank God. Luckily, the 2011 Bonus Disc(which I only have a burned copy of) taught me the lesson to always subscribe, so, I have a complete Dave’s series, along with RTs & Dick’s. I guess my first instinct was best, but because I have been buying music from 1965 to the present, that collectors gene/defect has taken over. So, since I MUST have it all, I will.
    I tell myself it’s good to have all eras, but It’s the very rare post ‘77 show that I give a second or third listen to. The bonus disc for me is a MUST have, so the price is worth it(right??).
    I won’t complain about ANY of the releases, and maybe one day, I’ll sell these complete sets. But probably not.
    I can’t disagree with anyone’s decision as to which way they will go. But for me, the first bonus disc that’s from after ‘77, I will be done with the subscriptions. Looking forward to new music, especially AB 50.
    Peace to all, stay safe & healthy.
    Music is the best!!

    P.S. There are only 4 songs from #36 that I am excited to hear(is that a complaint??).

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    Quote from a nice little blog aptly titled "the modern deadhead":

    "The five-month break and their healthier approach made a big difference to the sound. "I can't tell you what it means to have been to the point where it looked like there wasn't going to be any more Grateful Dead, and then to come back like this and to have it be as good as it is now," Kreutzmann said in '88, "We're playing better, we're healthier - all of us, not just Jerry - and we have more energy; I know I do. I feel great! I feel young!""

    http://moderndeadhead.blogspot.com/2009/12/grateful-dead-1987.html

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    I was not aware that one of these was Dave’s first show. That makes some sense. I would probably have only bought one from this year, too, if I’d been buying a la carte. Only problem with a la carte is you end up paying about $50 per show, once you factor in tax and shipping. Makes the sub model more appealing.

    I'm amazed (and proud of you guys) for not jumping all over me for what I wrote. I almost never post here, mainly because of a small contingent of folks who cannot stomach anything that smacks of criticism, or even discernment. And they want to argue if you're being "negative."

    There's NO rule that being a Deadhead means never criticizing a performance, or even loving every era equally. That’s pure BS. Many, many Deadheads who actually saw them perform WITH JERRY back in the day were critical then, and have just as much right to be critical now. The “Drums” segment of 80s shows was literally a piss break for half the people in the place at every concert I attended. People derided the 70s-era version “Dancing in the Streets” as “Disco Dead,” and yes, said the same thing about “Shakedown” when it first came out. “U.S. Blues” was often considered a least-preferred encore, earning the nickname “Useless Blues.” Don’t even get me started on “Day Job” (a song which I happen to think is a fun throwaway, actually). And yes, people who jumped on the bus when “Touch of Grey” came out were looked down on as “Touch-Heads.” I was there.

    Having said all that, I'll give these a listen, and am looking forward to having more HQ versions of "West LA" and "Alabama." But seeing those dates keeps my expectations very, very low. Good era for Bobby fanatics, not so much for Jerry diehards, IMHO.

  • JimInMD
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    Unless they really piss me off (and they might just do that one day), I will likely subscribe to the bitten end.

    I enjoy it.. and looking back, I am happy with the shows I saw, even the ones that were not 'great,' the regret I have is the shows I could have seen but didn't.. What's $25 a release in the grand scheme of things.. I look at all the money I never spent smoking, that's my Dave's Picks loot.

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    If I was buying alacarte this year , I only would have bought the 1974 release ( Dave's #34).

  • hendrixfreak
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    Classic reactions, including mine...

    First off, there's a sheet-ton of great shows left in the vault. Without a doubt. But the number of release-able shows for, say, '67, '68, '69 and '70 is limited, I'd guess. Plus, shows in those years tended to be too short for a Dave's release. Though (2) '68s or '69s would fill three discs. So Dave is killing two birds with one stone: upend the pattern of a strong finish to the year, release his own first show. Any criticism of the vault keeper for doing that is mainly -- according to these pages -- seems rooted in wanting our own first shows released instead.

    There are a ton of shows from '71, '72, and '73 and a handful from '74 yet to go. And good-sounding 80s tapes -- at least judging from 30 Trips -- are not all that abundant. But Dave will be scouring for 80s and maybe 90s tapes to leaven and slow the release of the prime stuff from '71 to '74. Understandable, in a sense, if they want to stretch this vault release stream til Dave retires. Instead, I'd rather see a decade-long model where we just get the cream.

    I'd guess that the 2021 Dave's Picks start out strong, based on an '84 and an '87 to end this year. But if the 3rd and 4th picks are downright lame, I'd probably bail on the subscription after only-god-knows how many years.

    That said, the boxes certainly provide Dave another outlet. And I'd guess he'll want a blockbuster for 2021. I'm still thinking fall '72.

    Frankly, if I were Dave, I'd love to read the squirming comments that greet a surprise pick, knowing that he can make us all stop chattering with a phenomenal #37 announcement or a killer box next year.

    To sum up this year, the June '76 box really hit the spot; I like June much better than the rest of that year. We got (2) Feb '71 shows. The October '77 Dekalb show is a classic from tape trading days and entirely welcome. And June '74 with bonus disc is in the sweet spot. So overall I'd have to grade the year's output as an A and remain open-minded about the forthcoming '87 show.

    Naturally, I'll be riveted to learn about #37 and #38 and the 2021 box. Meanwhile, this winter, I only have a couple hundred shows to enjoy while we hunker down once again in the vortex of unanticipated events.

  • mcgrupp216
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    I would love a crisp '91! Though honestly, there are (a lot of) times I actually prefer the later Vince era to the '91-'92 Hornsby/Welnick period. At any rate, perhaps it goes without saying, we still haven't seen a '90s Dave Pick.

    Dick (or I guess should say Dick's Picks) gave us:

    3 '90s
    5 '80s (counting 12/26/79)
    3 '60s (4 if you count 2/13-2/14/70)

    Dave (Dave's Picks) has given us:

    0 '90s
    6 '80s (counting 12/3/79)
    4 '60s (counting 1/2 and 1/23/70)

    It's obvious that the sweet spot for both series' is the '70s. If this is a gift to Dave (this was his first show), it's well-deserved. Heck, it's perhaps even more deserved as a gift to Charlie Miller (his favorite show).

    How's this look? As a very rough (not fully thought out schematic): Each year we get one respective pick from the following eras: '69-'72, '73-'78, '79-'86, '87-'95. I'd take it! But it wouldn't be as fun, I don't think. In Dave We Trust! I subscribe because I want them all and want to support the enterprise, but a la carte is definitely an option now for many at 22K.

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    Hey, that quitting smoking shit was easy,,,, quit subscribing??? Don't know if I have enough man in me for that!

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Sweet liberty! We're venturing into the depths of 80s Dead with the complete show from 4/20/84 at the Philadelphia Civic Center and we're placing bets you'll think this one is more than fine. A strong contender for our mega 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN boxed set, 4/20/84 missed the cut by virtue of its setlist being a wee bit too similar to the years before and after. As DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 35, it's found its time to shine. The first set delivers yin yang harmony between Jerry and Bobby songs, yielding driven and powerful takes on tracks like "Feel Like A Stranger," "Cold Rain And Snow," and "Brown-Eyed Women." The second set begs the question - will we ever stop peaking? - with a monumental "Scarlet>Fire," a ripping "Samson and Delilah," a "Space" that pulls shapes that know no names, and that "Morning Dew" - get.in.to.it! And because this one might have ended just a little too soon, we've packed disc 2 and 3 with knock-your-socks-off bonus material from most of the second set from the previous night, 4/19/84. Grab ahold while you can!

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL.35: PHILADELPHIA CIVIC CENTER, PHILADELPHIA 4/20/84 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out. 

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Grateful Dead, 7/13/76, Orpheum Theatre, capacity 1800. John Fahey, Peter Rowan, Frank Wakefield & David Nelson, different dates at the Freight & Salvage in Berkley, there were maybe 100 people there, small place, Everrett & Jones Bbq up the street for after the show. Great Times!

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George Thorogood at an old single screen movie house called the State Theatre. Unadvertised show, they played after the movie was over to about 50 people.
Robert Hunter at a place called Bacchus, which was a coffee house/room in the basement of the Univ of Delaware student center. Like someone playing for you in your living room.
Hall and Oates, Robert Cray, Todd Rundgren at a bar called the Stone Balloon.
Renaissance at an after-hours club called The Brandywine Club.

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Gary, I had a similar experience seeing Kenny Neal at the Harmony Bar and Grill in Madison, WI in 1994 (maybe 1995). Maybe 100 people in attendance and he put on a blistering blues show. He was set up in the kitchen selling cds and drinking whiskey during set break, so I went in and bought a cd, which he signed, and we chatted a little while (I may have been the only one to go back). He opened the second set with my requested "Born Under a Bad Sign" and he scorched a second set. I have only caught him 2 more times since at the State Theater in Kalamazoo. Great blues show.

I went through a blues period after Jerry died and caught some great stuff for the next decade. My longest road trip for a concert was to see John Lee Hooker at the Chesapeake Bay Blues Festival in 1999. By then, Hooker was pretty much doing shows only in San Francisco and other parts of California/West Coast. I figured that was my only shot at seeing him and am so very glad I made the trip.

I have written about one of the best shows I have ever seen before-- bluesman Luther Allison at the Rave in Milwaukee, summer 1997. I went to the show alone, which I sometimes enjoy-- talking with folks, moving about freely, etc... He played a hot 2 hour set and then an hour encore that just cooked. Probably the only time I ever saw an artist leave it all on the stage-- he just killed it. Sadly, it was one of his last shows-- his body was full of tumors and he died a month later.

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It was spring 1979 when my cousin Pat called me at Mather AFB (I was in UNT training there) and told me the band he played in, Cornell Hurd Band, was opening for a big named group on Rose street in SF. Turned out it was Eddie (RIP) and the boys wanting to rock on their night off in Northern Cali. Needless to say, I was the only short hair there. Still had a great time as this bar only held a few hundred and they owned it that night. Things got large and I was late the next day returning to the base. Upon arrival I was escorted to the Wing Commanders office. I didn't have a clue why, but knew it wasn't good. It seems my a good friend took my 6 man raft down the American River north of Chili Bar and and he didn't come up. I was best man at his wedding the month prior so I got it in both ears from the Col and wife as to why I let him go. My answer was "Van Halen Sir" and I thought we decided not to go cause it was 5 foot floodwater. Not a beer float but a run for your live. Even the guides wouldn't go out that weekend. The other guy who went with was lucky as a floatation pillow got caught underneath him. So I went to Van Halen Friday nightand Duane became the base safety brief for newbies until Mather closed. Come to think of it, they never gave me back my raft

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Club Eastbrook
Capacity ~1700 (often GA with seats in the balcony and hi-top tables in the back by the bar).
Old 2-screen movie theater with the dividing wall removed.

I saw there: B.B. King, The Guess Who (twice), Blues Traveler, Phish, Blue Oyster Cult, Thrill Kill Kult.

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You’re about a week late.
It was announced by email on 10/1. Dave’s tweet is 10/2.

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You gotta give 1 11 78 a listen

I have set 2 on cassette

It's really good.

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Is 10/24. Was just wondering when the hell this was coming out, since it was announced way back before the universe imploded, and a use of the google machine yielded the result of it coming out in 2 weeks. And one is already on the ebays for 299.99, since you probably want to buy an unreleased product for 2.5x the list price. Now that that's settled, when is 3/1/69 being released on vinyl? That's my favorite of that magical run for that Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven intro into an utterly devastating That's It For the Other One opener. That must be what Latvala was talking about when he described cowering in the bathroom while Phil Lesh assaulted his acid-soaked ears.

For small venue big performance wins, Railroad Earth on their first visit to NC at the Pour House in Raleigh with about 10 other people (capacity a few hundred), all of whom were quite impressed by that magnificent band; at the much missed Ziggy's in Winston-Salem I saw all number of bands with it packed to the gills for Dark Star Orchestra (1/14/78) to a few dozen people for bands like Rob Barraco's Dragonflys with a certain Jimmy Herring on guitar, and me and other Jimmy freaks standing right in front of him slack-jawed all night. Particularly noteworthy that night was Jimmy destroying Kid Charlemagne, after which I dryly complimented him with "That was pretty good." Causing him to bust out laughing. He knew he slayed it. Others seen at Ziggy's: Del McCoury Band, John Scofield a few times, once each with Derek Trucks Band and Susan Tedeschi Band opening, plus an evening of Derek's band and Susan's band when they had just started dating, I believe; he came up to sit in with her on My Man, and I got their autographs on the setlist, the Disco Biscuits 4x, the first they did the entire Hot Air Balloon rock opera as a 2 and a half hour second set, Sam Bush Band, Sex Mob (killer jazz band led by Steve Bernstein), Medeski, Martin, & Wood, and many others. But my dad saw The Ramones there. Which is about as cool as it gets.

One more incredibly intimate show was a super jam of Leftover Salmon boys Drew Emmitt, Mark Vann RIP), Magraw Gap guys Danny Knicely, Larry Keel, and Will Lee with David Via and others picking right next to my tent in the festival workers area at Smilefest in 2001. I came back from a campfire pick with Vince Herman, who was driving a golf cart madly and blindly through the woods at 4am, occasionally turning on the headlights, frightening even more people when he did so. We careened back through the woods to find those guys sitting by my tent killing it with maybe 25 people still awake checking it out. That was a fantastic cap to an amazing weekend.

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Can’t recall them mentioned here before. What a great band. I was a huge fan of From Good Homes before RE formed.

RE played a local club, must have been 20 years ago. They were fairly new band at that time. I somehow got the starting time wrong. So I show up and nobody was there except the band. I grabbed a beer and went into the back room where they were setting up and asked if I could hang out. No problem. Had two or three beers watching the soundcheck by myself before folks began to filter in. Tremendous show.

Other small club highlights - a few hundred or less. Hootie and the Blowfish, Blue Rodeo, and the Freddy Jones Band.

That's the one for me, too. My favourite show of that incredible run. Hopefully it will be released next year.

I have been listening to some old shows I recorded online from sources like Dead Show of the Month, Shakedown Stream etc. I could only record them in 79 minute "chunks"- with no separation between tracks. So if I stopped listening to a cd half way through, I had to go back to the beginning again. Not very satisfactory, but I used to drive long journeys up to about 7 years ago, and they fit the bill then.
The reason I am telling you this fascinating story is that there seem to be a few 1970 shows in there-I have played 6/6/70, 10/31/70, 5/24/70 and 9/19/70 in the last day or so - all really powerful shows. They all sound pretty good, too-maybe not A1, but they would make great official releases, to my way of thinking, despite this. Sometimes a song might end abruptly, and they might not be complete shows-details of no, or little, import for shows of this vintage.

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Guy asked for a simple explanation to a simple statement you made. Your statement of course was related to this imposter identity you've created for yourself in which you are an inside Grateful Dead associate. I offered you the Fillmore West box set and spent many hours trying to convert it from FLAC which I didn't really have the time to do but I felt sorry for you because you said you were blind with cancer. It was you who began offering advanced information on what the box set would be that year, well after I offered you the CDs. You eventually PM'd me, and I quote

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What happened to my CDs???
You forgot about that or you just wanted info?!!!

Subject Where’s my CDs ???

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My partial answer to in the PM

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You were not answering my posts. I do not know your address. The dead net PM Inbox only holds 10 messages and you gave me your address a long time ago. You think I spent time trying to get those CDs burned for info LMAO. You told me you would let me know what the box set was several weeks ago at this point. You said it would only be a couple more days. That time has long since passed, so that makes you a liar in my book.
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And you kept it up over time. "Just a few more days. Next week I will be able to reveal." I think now you were just making it all up in an effort to get me to keep up my attempts at converting from FLAC. I even posted to the board here to see if anyone knew how to do it. And then more stories started coming in from other people who you had BS'd. Overpriced merchandise being sold through dead net. Incomplete orders. People who gave you brand new CDs out of pity for the deadhead with cancer that you turned around and sold.

Everyone is tired of being conned by you. I think it was Butch used a word I never heard before. Gas lighting. I looked it up and man that is what you do. Even now in your response to Caseyjanes you have attempted to turn the tables and make it sound like it was all in his imagination.

And what a joke that you scolded Butch for quoting a much less obscure quote with the word p**** in it (Eddie Murphy Trading Places) because your daughter reads these pages and found it offensive. At least that was a comedy skit. But it's okay for her to read you "jokingly" threaten to bring a guy out back and beat the s*** out of him. You're so full of it it's coming out of your ears. 🙏✌❤😇🙏

https://youtu.be/nci7OoEq4Vg
....Jerry & Merle covering Imagine. Grate stuff.
Also, Blue Oyster Cult is releasing their first record in 19 years today. The Symbol Remains. Love the cover.
Spoiler alert. It's really good. I give it 8 umlauts out of 10.

Well, I get to have a total Green Day and enjoy the 31 anniversary of my last show. I have planned for several years to write about Hampton 89, and meant to do it last year on the 30th anniversay. The problem is there is so much to write, I need to write it in a text editor before posting on here. I will get to it.

I also need to write about what I have called my last push. A push of course meaning a lot of travel to see shows. Know most have been down that road. I wrote about my previous push going to the 88 Greek shows on their 30th anniversary. And how I did it by flying east coast and back while only missing one day at work, the Friday of the first show. I was back at work on Monday morning. I wrote about a cab driver that drove me from San Fran to the airport and that he was from close to where I lived. He really encouraged me to not get on the plane and stay in the bay area, permanently. Over the last two years I have really allowed that to sink in deep. It has been troubling to realize how my life would have been so much different if I had stayed. But also, that you can't ever look back but push onward. If I had stayed, I would have missed some other incredible moments (like probably Hampton 89). I will write about this third and final push soon, without waiting for its anniversary.

But today and tonight is about cranking Hampton 89. It is amazing how good it sounds blasting from my Big Boy Stereo. I have written before, it shakes my hardwoods. Can't wait.

Thing is for today I have some other things to wrap up. More later...

Alvarhanso... I have seen25-30 shows at Ziggy's from 1994-1997. Again another legendary small club. I did some post-graduate work in Winston-Salem. I wrote a few days back about my friends in Brother Cane, I think they played either 2 or 3 times while I was there.. Of course, I wrote about seeing them in Charlotte, at the amphitheater, the other day. The date of the Brother Cane Van Halen show was September 1, 1995. Other bands I saw there included Dave Matthews, and Edwin McCain. Some of you might remember that I got sick unto death a fews years back where I was in a coma for a while. Unfortunately, my memory since then struggles some, so I can't remember all I saw there. Of course, most were local or regional acts.

Any way, I wrote the other day about seeing Steve Morse and Kenny Neal at a small dive in my hometown. The place was called The Tip Top Cafe. After I wrote about it I did some research about and found an article on it. I have been hesitant to post because of various reasons. I have decided to post the article. This was a true dive bar dump, or should I say my favorite dump. Ooops. In the article it states that the building was sold in 2013 for $15,000. As part of my memory problems, I had forgotten I went to the auction on the last day the doors were open and my bid was $8,000. I had thought about bringing shows back as another friend is a decent sized concert promoter around here. Again hate to do it, but will write about him some other time. The building had lost it's certificate of occupancy, one step before condemnation. I know the gentleman that bought it and he has cleaned it up, external paint, etc. but it remains w/out a certificate of occupancy still. He said to expensive to open as one of the load bearing external walls is leaning in. Any way, between 1986 and 1994 I spent probably between 150 and 200 nights there and saw a lot of fun bands. Many nights I did not go in, just hung out in the small shakedown across the road (barely a road.)

Real quick, some back history. Starting in the early 70's my dad would take my brother and I to eat lunch there every 6-8 weeks. Just good ole greasy bbq. As stated in the article, the place did not become a dive until 1986.

If any one needs a 15 minute read to kill some time, here is the article on this previous dive.

https://www.al.com/entertainment/2016/07/tip_top_cafe_the_saga_of_legen…

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“And then more stories started coming in from other people who you had BS'd. Overpriced merchandise being sold through dead net. Incomplete orders. People who gave you brand new CDs out of pity for the deadhead with cancer that you turned around and sold.”
This statement of your is a bag of wind and a total false Lying, slander is what it is. I never had one prosit he anyone on this forum for except One Member! One member do you understand that.its not hard to understand your repeated posts of false allegations you accuse me of and you Even mention other members Have complaints about me.your wrong about me, show me all these dishonest remarks you accuse me of! Except that pne member who was telling me I had to give him a free gift for purchasing an item and when I said “no!” He and this member alone made up stories about my humanity which are completely false!
Please show me all these accusations in a post. Tell me, show me and prove your accusations and All these members you say had problems with me! Show me your prof! Just one! Besides the One member started all this slander and outrageous lies and now like some kind of conspiracy which involves my medical disabilities using my disabilities to get free products or petty sorry dude but that’s just not it! Everything else is just a made up march of this ridiculous actions! Your actions are false and full of Lies ! Pure lies.
Not one piece of evidence shows otherwise. That pm you posted about wanting to get free CDs from you and I demand such actions so I would tell what was the next future releases concerning the Grateful Dead. It’s completely just downright awful to accuse me of such actions. The picture you posted is incomplete and missed used to add more false accusations & slander! Just a bag of wind ! I’m finished talking to you too, peace be with you!

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Patti Smith, Princeton
Hot Tuna, Starlight in LA, an open floor with about 200 people
Television, possibly Starlight again, 100 people, man could Verlaine play
Canned Heat, high school dance
Henry Kaiser, Cal Tech, 200 people, also can really play

Do front rows for Dead or Garcia Band count? A number, but never enough....

Edit/add; Captain Beefheart at a movie theater; best 'band come on stage and start playing to get crowd riled up for entrance of star', all in about 45 seconds. You went from sitting in a theater with low lights waiting to 'where the heck have we been transported to?'

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I don't get why Television has been lumped in with "punk" rock.

Marquee Moon is a desert island disc for me. It's certainly not "punk" like the Sex Pistols and their sublime "Never Mind the Bollocks".

punk?

Thanks for the tip the other day on Raful Neal. I am going to start tracking him down. Didnt realize he played with Buddy Guy. Again, hopefully more on Buddy Guy this weekend.

Want to say Thank You! to all for these great posts. Love the stories...love the bands, individuals, etc. Totally sparked a lot of old memories that were in danger of being lost in time. Cheers!

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I think I was listening to too much GD, if there is such a thing. I wasn't mixing things up much, but the past week I've listened to some non-Dead music, and lo and behold, when I hopped in the van yesterday with DaP35 in the CD player, it sounded fresh and great, and it really hit the spot. There was nothing wrong with the non-Dead music, but the Dead just sounded even better once I had heard some other musicians. Here's what cleansed my palate.

Last Five:
Decemberists--The King Is Dead
Van Halen--debut and 1984
Tom Waits--The Early Years, Volume One
Sibelius--2nd Symphony (MN Orchestra; Osma Vanska)
Ella Fitzgerald--The Gershwin Songbook

I've told this tale here previously, but one time in Denver, after Wynton finished his 2000-person "proper jazz" show at a large auditorium, my sax teacher friend said, "Wynton taught a master class at my university this afternoon, and I told him about El Chapoltepec! Let's get there!" El Chapoltepec (sp?) was about the coolest jazz dive ever, located in what became fancy LoDo in Denver. My teacher/friend and I rush over to The Pec, and sure enough, Wynton and his band are getting out of cars. We squeezed in just in time to see Wynton and crew gently take over the stage from the Saturday night house band. Wynton and his guys played it HOT for a long time, in a room that held maybe 100 comfortably.

Be kind, rewind.

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The Gatorators (used to be the Radiators) at Phil's Crossroads Grate Room, March 7. They did a great Animals medley.

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40 years ago today I was up at the Warfield Theatre, for a great show with a Casey Jones encore. Looks like this one didn't get erased, so hopefully it will be released one day.

Television were a great band who have stood the test of time. I think they got included with the punk bands because they emerged at the same time-1975-76, and played a lot of gigs at CBGBs in New York, along with The Ramones, Talking Heads, Blondie, Dead Boys et al. - who were all also classed as punk originally. Patti Smith was referred to as a "punk poet". Maybe Television were seen as part of the punk scene also because they completely avoided country rock, blues rock and so called AOR (adult orientated rock) like Fleetwood Mac, which was so prevalent with mainstream bands at that time.

Blue Oyster Cult are also great. I was supposed to have been going to see them last Friday supporting Deep Purple, in London. They were billed as supporting, but in my eyes both bands are of equal stature.

Dang I am jealous. Warfield has always been fantasy dead! There is a pick in the book "Playing in the Band" where everyone is holding the champagne glasses that Mr. Graham passed out to everyone. I have had that book 35 years, been jealous that long.

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I only saw one show at the Warfield.. New Years Y2K.. I'm a bit envious too.. great theatre, never got the see the dead there though.

Hot Tuna Mickey Hart and Planet Drum Ratdog played the only time I stepped foot into the Warfield. Thankful I made that though.

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Catching up and scrolling back, what a vast vat of musical knowledge and open mindedness is continually on display here. Just wonderful.

Of particular mention, "The Cabooze." Growing up in Wisconsin, my best friend going back to 7th grade/best man at my wedding still lives in St. Paul. I go back periodically, and we tear up Minny like bad old lads. The Cabooze, to the uninitiated, is a classic rock and roll dump with a storied history. And a great name.

Then someone said Slayer was like the soundtrack to a Hieronymus Bosch painting. Thought the same and lived through it. I was in a Hieronymus Bosch painting. In fact, you can still see me there, crouching down and plugging my ears while trying to drink! A buddy of mine in California rides mountain bikes with Kerry King (Slayer guitarist). He got me and a plus one on the guest list for Slayer at the Fillmore in Denver with backstage passes.

So, we went. It was, in a word, horrible. An unlistenable, evil cacophony of horrid, unrelenting noise for 90 minutes. The lead guitarist who passed, Jeff Hanneman, was particularly putrid. He had, like, baseball catcher's leg armor spray painted silver and affixed to his black jeans in some kind of post-apocalyptic Road Warrior-type nod. Not cool.

Neither was his soloing, which was basically sweep picking and shredding as fast as possible, mostly in the high register, with no regard for taste, nuance or - KEY! - he just played over everything, atonal, like some demented meth head let loose in Guitar Center. And a legion of greasy, stringy-haired skulls banged along in furious might.

As we stood at the back of the floor, swilling to kill the pain and taking it all in, I had this moment of, just... sadness and disgust and wanting to flee. Look, I dig the Dead and jazz but also hard rock and I've seen some things and been in a mosh pit or two, just for exercise and to burn off the alcohol. But this was horrifying. So many losers, skinny and drugged out, or fat and drugged out, pasty white, sweating, bad vibes, bad clothes, all black, tattoos of skulls and demons, wild eyes filled with angst and hate. This was not the place to be on acid...

Bad vibes, man, bad vibes. The wrong kind of drugs and the wrong kind of people. No love, no warmth anywhere in the room, just like some dark pagan ritual gone bad. The Slayer guys made millions out of cultivating this kind of aura, this audience, this niche that they exploited. It did no one any good, and it will be their karma and their legacy.

Christ, I need a shower just reliving this. It DID look like a Bosch painting... or rather more like actual hell. Maybe it was. Maybe when I die, if I don't make it, I'll be reliving this show in eternity. I dig classic UFO, Dio, Priest, Sabbath, Scorpions. But that's, like, music with things like harmony and melody. Probably chick music to that audience.

After our long-suffering drinks at the back of the venue, we make our way toward backstage. In my trips backstage over the years, it's generally worth the time spent, if only for the hang and the things you see and hear if you're a big music fan. Back in the day I turned on a couple of people who shall remain nameless... you realize how hollow and shallow it can kind of be, like, "who's got any Krell? I'll be your friend until it runs out." Well, this wasn't even that. In fact, we waited almost an hour while a Slayer stagehand came out and led several women, and a few dudes, past the velvet rope and into the dressing rooms/reception area. I thought at least I'd drop my friend's name who got us in, share a story, and bail. Finally, pass be damned I just said to hell with it and we bailed.

Fuck Slayer. Love Eddie Van Halen.

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... I believe the ‘atmosphere’ plays a “big” part in the bands performances.
While I attended ‘Cooper Union’ during and before my college years I went to a lot of shows so many bands the biggest gig ever went to was Woodstock 1994 the 25th year anniversary that was amazing truly mind blowing performances from all types of bands music. I had the time of my life attending that festival of “peace love & music” for three days worth of music to entertain the massive amount of people I have ever seen sure it was truly life all the rating experience very positive.
I saw “nirvana” at ‘maxwells’ in Hoboken.
Caught “Pearl Jam” at the ‘Lime light’
Saw ‘Eek-A-Mouse’/ is a Jamaican reggae musician. He is one of the earliest artists to be described as a "singjay" in Boulder Colorado at a beer brewery maybe 50 people tops.
I also sent to see the ‘Misfits’ on Halloween! Some Japanese band opened up the show played a great set of music ; very original music. Thing was the theater could hold hundreds of people but the crowd was just 13th of us fans watch the misfit played & sounded beautiful in this empty theatre. No crowd comes off very soft in recordings!
Went to “Kelly’s” in Tappan NY Also know as the Hog Penny’s, one of my best friends bar/tavern, holds 50 -100 people, we had the JGB with Melven Seals , members of New riders of the purple Sage, ‘Marshall Tucker Band’ then the. Dickiey betts Band! And then for my friends 70th birthday, we got ‘Doctor John’ With Members from the mesters & the radiators! Crazy grateful times!

....interesting take. I get it it ledded. They're not for everyone. Noisy? Yes. Not talented? I beg to differ.
I still enjoy them.

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is why I come here every day!

LedDed, "like some demented methhead let loose in a Guitar Center" made me choke on my beer (Genesee Cream Ale) it was so funny, and THEN you made me go Google Bosch, who is AMAZING, as you knew.

When I listen to DaP35 I think, "I WISH I could bring all of us back in time to hang out together at this show!!" And I also realize that the sound of this release, while asking us all to be forgiving, is also WAY BETTER SOUNDING than most of the shows I saw at large indoor arenas. If the sound of DaP35 had been what I heard at most of my arena shows, I wouldn't have left those shows so disgruntled. Bravo, Healy, Dave, and all those involved.

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The Bosh reference came yesterday.. from perhaps Cousins??? I googled it too. I was familiar with his art, but not his name. Never seen slayer but got that vibe, now times two.

Ledded.. great post. The horrid details and visuals they created. I'm with Brewer. Back to the point, a nice stream of conscience over the last several days with many, many artists and only the slightest trace of a few stray off key vibes.

Or the Boozer. Not sure if it will make it through these terrible times.

Did you ever see the Gooney Birds there?

Saw Big Head Todd at the Medina Ball room in maybe 2000, very small venue. Big Head Todd, my god, it has been a long time.

I remember a review when Marquee Moon came out saying they were like a cross between the Grateful Dead and Velvet Underground. Bought it and fell in love with them. Have followed Tom Verlaine ever since. Saw him play a tiny 'club' in Manchester UK in 2007 called 'The Night and Day Cafe' with about 50 other people. Went to San Francisco on honeymoon in 2014 (took me till i was 59 to find true love!!!) where we saw Peter Rowan at Sweetwater with about 15 people having earlier in the day been at a tie-dye time warp at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass in Golden Gate Park seeing Tony Joe White, Felice brothers and headlined by Steve Earle who had John Paul Jones (ex Led Zep) playing mandolin. Multi acts.... Knebworth 74 with Tim Buckley, Alex Harvey, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Van Morrison, Doobies and Allman Bros, Wembley Stadium 74 with Jesse Colin Young, Tom Scott, Joni Mitchell and CSNY, Knebworth 75 with Linda Lewis, Roy Harper, Beefheart, Steve Miller and Pink Floyd. Also saw the Dead at Ally Pally middle night of the 3 sept 74 where i found my Dark Star. Oh for a time warp........

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... one of my favorite shows I saw was ‘ Primus ‘ at the old East Rutherford stadium opening up for ‘U2! I took my girlfriend at the time to see her favorite band at that time and it was U2.
When I learned Primus was opening up the concert I got her 3or 4th row! U2 put on a great show but ‘Primus blew my mind and it seamed the other 15000 attendees did not dig their music at all! Lol, it was a very strange band to open a U2 concert. I still have my T-shirt from the concert.

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LedDed - Your take on Slayer just absolutely painted a picture. Never seen them play, but your analogy “ But that's, like, music with things like harmony and melody. Probably chick music to that audience.” had me laughing so hard, my dog thought I finally lost it! Great read!
It was never the music of speed metal bands I disliked, for there is room for all sounds, it was the scene around it you described. I’m not that fatalistic.

Bob T 10/1/76: that's DP 33, one of the best
10/10/80: another great Warfield show; I missed that one, was on the IR for the night...
10/10/82: great Frost show, waiting for the box with 10/9

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You must have caught them during the "wrong" era; they were not the same after Keith & Donna left...sorry I mean Dave Lombardo.
I mentioned Bosch, I forgot Pieter Bruegel who worked in a similar register.

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Motorhead lyrics aren't sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows, but they don't _scare_ me.

Slayer...enjoy 'em if you enjoy 'em.

I cannot imagine going to a Slayer gig, esp. on acid.

A brown acid band, to me.

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My one and only Warfield show was 12/30/05, Phil. He played the Filmore, then the Warfield, then the Civic for New Years. Ruby set me up with tix, as she had since the Fox Theatre in 1985. I saw her after the show. It was my last time I talked to her. Wonderful memories......

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The other night....

In early 68, the GD played in a bowling alley at Lake Tahoe, enshrined on Dxpx22.

I dreamed in full color that I was in the bowling alley, and Jerry in his 68 look was laughing it up with some pals, getting ready to roll a bowling ball. Squares were looking on in befuddlement.

Very vivid, and very brief, and very cool.

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CABOOZE, fun, funky place. Reminded me of a place I used to roadie at in Fredonia NY with Benhatzel. Remember working there with Billy Sheehan of Talas brfore he got big. Had the actually train car like Minny. Was doing merch with the Band back in winter of 96 at the Cabooze. Real nice folks......until the Band quit early, lol. I love those guys but in those days some nights.....

WARFIELD: fortunate to see JGB 2 nights in June of 90, amazing place to see a show! Dead must of been ridiculous!

LEDEAD: great post. That’s Mike summed it up well imo...

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Nice transitions

Scarlet into Fire 3 10 81
Cumberland into MAMU 4 29 71
Playin' into UJB 5 21 82
Dark Star into Birdsong 7 31 71

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38 years ago today, another great day at the Frost. Time to box 10/9 & 10/10/82 together.

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