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I want my money back. I feel gipped.

We have a one year warranty, right?

:D

I remember when my buddy came back tapes of that Chicago run and how they what my appetite for Richfield a few days later which was comparatively disappointing at the time, even though that show ended being pretty good.

Rosemont on the other hand sounded like nice performances on tape. I would not be opposed to a good Rosemont show or two getting released. 89 even more so, though Crisler Arena and Milwaukee were the epic stops in that stretch. One could only wish...

Thanks!😎
Well said!

Curious how this one sold out more quickly than the others this year, and yet has attracted more criticism than the others on this board. You would have thought, looking on here, that the 1974 one would have been the one to fly off the shelves. Makes me realise that of the people who buy Dave's Picks, only a small proportion contribute their views on this board, and that the views expressed on here do not necessarily reflect the views of the ones who don't contribute.
An obvious point perhaps-but its just occurred to me. Maybe the 1980s or 1990s are actually more desirable to people who buy this series than the 60s or 70s are, but those people just don't feel like going on about it like I do.

Great post DeadHead Brewer! Spot on!

I am looking forward to adding this release to my collection. Very happy it came out after the Philly 84 DP 35, and still sold out in a blink. 87 is a bit under represented in my collection, so this will help. I was only at Hampton this tour, and enjoyed that, so I expect I will enjoy this.

Given the two releases from the 80's, I expect the subscription announcement show will be something special from 1974 or earlier. Will subscribe again, no doubt.

I think that most of the people here are subscribers so they aren’t going to influence the rate of ala carte sales.
Also, if you go to other boards or chats on this site you will see people who don’t usually post on the active rotating board like this group of usual suspects. I think that there are also a lot of lurkers who read but don’t post.
The Deadheads that I know, and who never read the posts on this site and only come to this site to make purchases, listen to all the years. They aren’t going to stop subscribing any time soon.
Dave and Rhino know what the sales numbers are, and know how many people buy a single copy and how many buy multiple copies (based on name and address), and what they can release without risking losing loyal customers. Someone also monitors these boards and comments as shown by the ‘Community Bits’ section of the October Bulletin, and so they also get some Feedback that way on how well a release is received.
Back-to-back 80’s releases shows that they don’t feel that they will lose too many subscribers. And if they do lose some subscribers they will actually make more money in the long run since ala carte copies cost more and always sell out.

Cumberland Blues just after hearing the CB of 9 10 83.

:)))

80s skeptics...have you heard 9 10 83 at full volume? If that doesn't change your mind, then nothing will.

And

10 8 84

Listen to that "blind" (ie dont look at the setlist)

Goooooood stuff, especially pre-drums

Of course, we don’t know what the artist intended. Hartford was the home of many “subscription” publishing houses, most notably The American Publishing Co., which published the first half dozen or so books by Mark Twain and was one of the reasons he moved to Hartford in 1872. It would be his longest residency anywhere, and he loved the city; sat on the Board of APC and some of the insurance companies, raised his children there, conceived his most important books there. The actual work of writing those books happened during the summers in his octagonal study at Quarry Farm, on his wife’s family’s extensive property near Elmira, NY. The social whirl in Hartford was incompatible with the real work of writing Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn, Connecticut Yankee, etc. Harriet Beecher Stowe was his neighbor in the “Nook Farm” neighborhood, as well as many other authors who were well-known at the time, like Charles Dudley Warner, editor of the Hartford Courant and co-author, with Twain, of The Gilded Age, but are largely forgotten today. I don’t know if the artist was thinking of all that, but Hartford was as synonymous with books as it was insurance and guns (the Colt Arms Factory was there) in the mid to late 19th Century.

A little history...

On the second night, I was seated on Phil’s side probably 20 rows up. A few songs into the first set, a young fellow sitting next to me broke out a homemade projecting kaleidoscope flash light thingy, and proceeded to shine it around the arena including the stage. Within minutes, road crew member, Robbie Taylor showed up to our and scared the living shit out of the kid while tearing him a new one, and took his contraption. I felt a little sorry for him because it lookEd like he spent a lot of time making it, but it was not a good idea, clearly. Another reminder to not mess with the GD road crew.

When Dead & Co started in 2015 there were a lot of younger ‘ravers’ who took their annoying and distracting rave light toys with them to D&C. By 2017 there were far fewer of the toys in the audience, so it seemed that they got the message to leave that crap at home.

A day late on Bobby's birthday wishes. My father had the same birthday. And I am 9/8 with Pig. The Dead runs strong in my family.

As for the pick, I love '87. And an ultramatrix! So glad we will get some audience to pick up the vibe. Jerry was back and people were psyched! Two shows is cool.

Though I gotta say, while I am sure these shows are fine, I could pick 20 shows from '87 I'd rate higher. '87 has a ton of variety song selection, and aside from the Midnight Hour opener, this is pretty standard.

EDIT: On further review: 2nd set Cumberland & UJB>Dew are nice.

OK, and though I am loathe to admit it, I kind of like Push (ducks!).

Thanks for the kind words, all y'all!

TWO DAYS AGO my friend called to tell me about driving back to MN from NJ. WHAT did he mention? He told me that he drove through a town called Elmira (neither of us had heard of it previously), and he wondered if I could guess who he learned was buried there. And now Professor Bob mentions it?! [theme music from 'The Twilight Zone' swells . . . ]

Be kind . . . rewind . . .

Apples and oranges. The band was always evolving and what helped fuel their longevity. For Eighties GD, it was all about the groove and Brent flourished wonderfully in that mode.

Love the art work on this. When I enlarged the image I literally yelled out 'That's it!' Can we get a print? My favorite since the DaP Albuquerque release.

I'm sure Rhino marketing noticed that both the Pacific Northwest and June 76 box sets haven't sold out, July 78 took years to sell out, yet the Giant Stadium box sold out rather quickly, so the shift to 80s releases makes commercial sense.

You Matrix!

And a post dated Happy Birthday to Mr. Weir.

Go, Bobby, Go!

Cant wait for the 10/30 Shakedown Stream. Hope they show the drums with Billy Cobham. That was never on any releases I have seen since USA network showed it in 1982.

I have been reading through the comments, but have yet to comment myself. Reviewing both the pros and cons of this particular release I do see the merit on most. On the con side of things, I can understand that maybe this selection of shows are not quite as good as other shows from 1987. I can also understand why some would want a release from an entirely different year.

On the pro side of things these are definitely high energy shows. The backdrop of Jerry's return certainly is in play here. From what I have already heard these shows were played well. And of course anytime we get 2 complete shows that is always a bonus.

Overall I feel like the pros far outweigh the cons. Now to my personal tastes, I am still slightly disappointed this wasn't a 1985 show, but I mean only slightly. On a side note, I have been relistening to the 6/30/85 show which is quickly becoming one of my all time favorite shows. Back to the point, I am always willing to give any Grateful Dead show a try. Even more so I think it is good that I listen to shows that I have not heard or to spend time listening to shows from years I don't normally listen too. I like the fact the Dave L will sometimes select an under the radar show as a release as it gives me chance to hear something that otherwise I may not have sought out. I am looking forward to this release and it's going to be fun spinning these shows soon.

Now since we do know that TPTB do watch over these forums, I will once again say thank you to Dave L and the whole crew. I really appreciate every release and as soon as the link goes up for the 2021 Dave's Picks subscription, I am signing up again.

And now for my shameless plug for hopeful future releases:
6/30/85 (please!)
Any other 1985 summer show
10/18/72
10/31/91
9/17/70, 9/18/70, 9/19/70, 9/20/70 (make it a box set, its OK that the 1970 box comes out in 2021 instead of 2020)
10/11/83 (make it a matrix)
1/24/71 (my obscure show selection)
I can't remember but did I mention a 1985 show???

That Shakedown, let me tell ya'... Weir was playing from the astral mothership for that one... and then oh how it glistens into something truly special.....

There are some spectacular '85 shows and the boards are fabulous. So I can't help but think there's a box release coming at some point.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yxdTnLL2fec. Let's get this party started.

First, thanks Dave and team!!! There are those of us who are extremely appreciative of your efforts in identifying and prepping these shows for release.

At least four times a year, we all get to enjoy new music by the band we love. At a time in our country where everything leads with the negative and conflict, it's nice to have a positive light shine every now and then.

Personally, I love the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s Dead, so in the future can you please be sure to choose shows from those decades for future releases?

Thanks!
Snapper

I absolutely love that run. I think, not unlike spring '87, March '93 saw the band very much revitalized after necessary hiatus. There's of course the excellent show finale with Nordine on 3/11, but 3/10 might even be better. Ooh, and there's that (final) Mind Left Body jam out of Corrina.

At any rate, regarding box sales: We should also note that the Giants Box was limited to 10k copies, whereas the others released were 15k and 12k, respectively. For example: July '78 (15k), PNW '73-74 (15k), and June '76 (12k). RFK '89 - which I think is a sweet little box, no doubt - is also still available (at 15k).

So the Giants speedy sale and sell out may simply be a function of the more limited production.

Not sure who it was that mentioned listening to the Scarlet into Fire jam twice in a row, but it motivated me to go back and re-listen to that one and wow. Jerry was really on fire.

Not only was Giants a lower number production run but it also came with video.

(Dave, more video please).

Don’t forget that GSTL crashed the website and immediately had to be released as an AME.

Wonder how fast a Winterland October ‘74 (just finished listening to 10-18% from the soundtrack, don’t forget it’s the anniversary of the run) Box - Complete audio and video would sell out.
Only one way to find out.

Dave!
Winterland October ‘74 Box, bring it on.

Bought some pint glasses from JG store that have art ??? not sure what to call it, it’s not painted on, and it’s not a sticker, perhaps screened printed? Not etched.
Since there’s nothing on the site about it, my question is does anyone know if their machine washable and if so does the print last, or is hand washing a must?
Thanks

Hand washing is essential in these corona-dominated times.

That would be up there with the Fillmore West 69 and Europe 72 boxes in my eyes. They could release all 5 nights on both cd and blu ray/dvd. Quite a lift if that were to come out before Christmas !

digging this release when its comes out actually nice surprise something different with the double show dig it....the haters and the haters of the haters who cares if you like this or if someone else doesn't...for me I like Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead so I ;like to explore all of what the band may have been digging any night out. Maybe not the best best maybe not '69 but thank whoever that someone recorded this for us to like or hate. I for one was digging some Beach Boys earlier and think the Dead could've done a nice trippier, hehe trippeier version of 'Good VBibrations'......anyhow c'mon people no need to hate over aGrateful Dead release weather uyou ;like it or not... any other songs far n wide you'd like to hear the Grateful Dead play or did they play it???? ;peace people love peopleoh and hi keith fan

I've got to second Spacebro's suggestion. Have always wanted a better copy of Telluride. What an idiot I was to say I was too busy to go to that one while living in Ft. Collins, about a six hour drive away. Not the greatest shows but an historic venue. Had many a good day on the lawn in Town Park at the Bluegrass festivals over the years. Played disc golf around the Park during the sound check for a Jazz Fest. Herbie Hancock ripping up Vein Melter while I was throwing fairways and clanging chains. Priceless! Cheers to all.

Dishwasher detergent pods will eat away the printing. I did it to a bunch of Bell’s glasses that I have. But I used to use liquid Cascade gel and it never removed the printing.

But anyone reading this far, listen "blind" to the first half of the second set of 10/8/84

High, high octane, high magick, and high energy GD

Keithfan that was me raving about DaP35 Scarlet Fire. Jerr wails on the Samson right after that too. There's some weak stuff in this release, sure, but there's some blistering playing too.

I second that emotion for a '87 Red Rocks/Telluride box. That was a fun trip for me and 6 friends caravaning there in a van and a car from the bay area.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/salmo_gairdneri/1430442398/in/photostream

There are others at that guy’s page.

long story short i snagged 2nd row center to phil side for the crew this show.

edit: forgot to add - this show smoked!! as did the next two. plus Telluride, Tempe, and what about that rocket to the moon in Park City?

Nice story about Telluride:
https://www.telluridenews.com/the_watch/watch_listen_show/article_ce591…

8 20 methinks.

Had that on cassette, at least set 2. I recall it being good.

I have a couple Wolf pint glasses and a Garcia one. They are prone to scratches but washing in the dishwasher doesn't seem to be a big deal.

Ooops.. just read cone kids answer after this posted. I guess we are saying more or less the same thing.....

I do have to say, I feel a great jewel of this particular tour was the 3 nights in Philadelphia after this run. I hope these are released in the future.

As for these two nights, expect high octane playing over linear jamming. Phil during the 3/26 show is deep in his element. And when Phil’s on, the band is on, even in ‘87.

The second night is also awesome in its power. Touch Samson Cumberland is the jam!

Thanks for that article link, I enjoyed that.

Sounds like I need to dust off those August '87 tapes and listen for some harmonic convergence.

I always hand-wash my GD/Garcia and favorite brewpub pint glasses. Then we'll all be able to enjoy the unblemished artwork as we drink from them at our GD-themed old folks home! I think it's the rubbing against the dishwasher rack that ruins the art on the glasses . . .

Cool article, Nitecat! As I peruse my notes from the 1987 shows I've heard, "high energy," "tight," and "fun" seem to be in every review. Bird Song is mentioned a number of times as being a stand-out, so I'm excited to hear these forthcoming shows, the first of which was my 17th birthday!

p.s. Cold Rain and Snow--indeed! Our average highs here in MN right now are in the mid-50s, but it is supposed to hover around 30 all week, with four inches of SNOW tomorrow, then thunderstorms Thursday.

p.p.s. +1 to Hartwerger's comments on not using much/any soap on your drinking glasses.

Since Deadheads are known to be purists, I'll suggest being a purist with your beer pint glasses as well. Rinse them with warm water. If you must use soap, use mild or diluted soap , but avoid detergents and commercial dishwashing liquids. Detergents and liquids will leave residue behind which can affect the head retention on your beer, and some say even the taste. I can't tell about the taste but you can definitely see the residue left behind on a glass straight out of the dishwashing machine, which I imagine does have some effect on head retention. I generally just rinse with warm water and use a little dishwashing liquid on the "outside" of the glass. My glasses have stayed clean and no scratches. Cheers.

It had been awhile. I enjoyed it - thanks Proudfus!

Winterland , Oct. 1978, 17, 18 , 20, 21, & 22 , their only Bay Area appearance ( except for the final show) that year. Not very much of this has been released..

In my humble opinion head-retention is an oft overlooked phenomenon. Whether drinking beer at home, attending a good show, or even perambulating my neighborhood, retaining my head is at the forefront of my, uh head.

I am glad you gave it a deep listen

the band is like a runaway train

and the encore...

and who bids the audience goodnight? that's a rarity after 78.

and on my cassette after the encore, Bobby quips, "If it's any consolation, on this day in 1890, it rained fish"

both days Sante Fe 83 Dave...please make it happen

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zqj358anp3k6ji0/AABhgpWK9YkSSSgO01EihjBUa?dl…

Onward ;-)

i don't want to come off too picky, but it would be great if future CD releases come with metadata included on the CD so we don't have to manually fill in the artist, track, and other info. It's a minor issue, but other than that great job on the box sets, and Dave's Picks. Keep the music flowing. Peace...

Dan R, great phrase. Truly at the heart of some of the angst about era's. I have always heard Jerry and Bob talk about that they were trying to get the shows better, tighter, not as much down time between songs. Now I know the phrase for that "linear jamming." Although in some of that 89-90 rebirth they do play some shows with psychedelic freak outs. This weekend I plan to run back thru the 89 Miami Dark Star in the 30 Trips box.

fir the glass washing tips

At Proudfoot's suggestion , I'm enjoying 10/8/84 as I type this, with headphones, while watching the Bills/Chiefs game. Definitely a fun time. I didn't skip the first set, though, ad definitely enjoyed the Iko opener...

Lately I've been doing this: watching football games with the sound turned off, listening to Dead shows from the archive. Somehow it works... so wrong it's right...

I might even try it with the next Presidential debate! (*ducks head, runs for the door*)