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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • icecrmcnkd
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    Per your suggestions, doing the 9-18-87 anniversary.

    I suspect that everything in the Vault that sounds good will get digitized, and a lot has probably been done already since the tapes are degrading and the job needs to get completed. Also, storing digital copies at various geographic locations can be an insurance policy against things like the Universal Music warehouse fire, California Earthquake(s), etc. Futhurmore, I assume that when Dave is perusing potential releases he listens to a digital copy, not a cassette copy, then he picks a few shows to discuss at the next business meeting.

    Some will get the Full Norman.
    Some will even get Plangentized.
    Everything that gets digitized will be available for download and/or streaming in the future, we may just not be alive to spend the money on such.
    The Vault will become the Catalog.
    We are financing the digitization of the Vault by buying the new releases.
    So bust out Dennis’ wife’s credit card and keep buying.
    (Well, at least Dennis can bust out the credit card)

  • Oroborous
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    Misery loves company, JK

    Yeah 1stshow I hadn’t planned to do it.I mean I’ve been meaning to, but, like many things nowadays, always low on roundtoits ; ). Reminds me of this guy we picked up on Ziggy Marley tour doing merch back in 96 I believe.
    Flew into DC, met PK from Jersey, counted stuff in at the 9:30 club, then just tried to keep up with ole PK. Out on town all night, then immediately had to drive to next show etc…
    Dude knows everyone everywhere and can get you ANYTHING you need in almost any city!
    Damn Rastas were asking him to get them weed everywhere as he had better connections lol
    Been a road dog forever! Anywho, somewhere in the mayhem we ran into a buddy of his from Virginia who decided one show wasn’t enough fun. He only ment to go to the next one, and every night kept saying “ok, this is the last one, then I have to get back”…we’ll this went on for over a week until finally, after Panama beach show we literally had to make him get on a bus and go home lol. Guy was helpful and we all had big fun, but the poor bastard was wearing the same clothes etc and didn’t have anything with him, totally spontaneous trip. Think after a couple daze we bought him some fresh underwear and gave him a couple tour shirts to change into lol.
    So that’s kinda how I started E72 this time, ok, I’ll do one more. Finally, though this isn’t a good time, time wise etc, figured, fug it, buy the ticket, take the ride! So, always more fun with a tour buddy!

    Yeah, I’m with you on 5/3. It is a damn good show, but I didn’t get as blown away as some…
    But I’ll need to reacquaint with it…top five, good luck. I can’t do it. Their all so good, sure I like some perhaps more, but their just different enough I can’t pick a top dog…
    Yeah, what a surprise, the French were the most vocal lol

    Yeah DV, im worried about the VIKS, Bills too, though they seemed like their old selves again this week. But like the Viks, ya never know what’s next lol. Rootin for underdog Lions, and Falcons, though I really like this kid Field with Da Bears…
    I’ll have to try and find that Dave article. He always says that and he doesn’t do it all the time, and they have mostly stayed clear of anniversaries, but he has been dipping liberally from that early possibilities list he mentioned back at the start of DaP.

    Those all sound familiar Jim, but I’m on a job site so can’t look up in my Db.
    Tempting all, but I’m on tour in Europe with ole 1stshow and don’t like to listen to other Dead until the trip is over…
    1970 is perhaps last frontier I haven’t really got the toe wet yet. Need another roundtoit!

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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

  • Oroborous
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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

  • Oroborous
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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Good call for today!! Just got done biking. Trees here in Rhode Island are looking like the cover of Dick's Pick that has the Landover and Syracuse September 76 shows!! We'll see summer come again.... Feel ambitious also am going to put on the LSU birthday show after from 77... enjoy the weekend everyone Bob t

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Though Donna Summer does have many fine tunes, I’m specifically referring to I Feel Love.
Smoke a fatty, or perhaps just as the trip is starting to take hold, sit dead center with a good system and crank THAT song.....it’s a stoners delight I tell ya, Healy would be proud of all that auto panning goodness, lol......seriously, this tune is sixteen seventies stoned in your room with your black light and posters groovy cool!

Polished Jim, that’s the word. The Hampton shows from my POV are better, say as a concert going DH freak, but as a finished, professionally produced product for market, I think Nightfalls is better. The song list, the flow, tightness,(perhaps their playing more to the recording so a tad safer?), and yes, as good as Hampton sounds, it’s yet another one that frustratingly just doesn’t come through on tape and do the shows justice. We’ve touched on this before about similar feelings with 10/14/83, and 3/27/88 for starters. 10/16 does seem to breath better and is perhaps mastered better? Again, this is probably splitting hairs as all four 89 fall releases sound good, just not the same...
So big 10/16/89 tonight, need to wait for proper conditions to manifest and align with the flux capacitor etc. Maybe I’ll go for that 84 show, or sometime this WE I’ll have to spin some of that awesome Acoustic Warfield stuff from last year. Still have some killer 74 someone generously sent me to rip and crank, need to find that Dico 78 Dead that was the impetus for this ramble, and probably will start the Spectrum 89 shows to keep on the path....
Speaking of, spent a couple rotations with 10/15/89 yesterday whilst continuing my Swiss madness in the basement. Another perfectly good 89 show, but it didn’t move me as much as 10/14, which is funny cause that one had to grow on me a bit. Some of it is probably just set lists, but 10/14 seemed to build up nicely overall. 10/15 has some notable tunes for the time; Standing on the Moon, Just a Little Light, Crazy Fingers, Victum, Stella, Box oRain, and even a Far From Me! Like I say, good show, just didn’t flow for me? Probably just me....
GOLLUM, you still along for this ride? What say you old chap? And I think Jim needs to fire up the Deer and head back to fall 73 as we appear to have lost ole Bluecorn chasing some minx in the parking lot after the Syracuse show???
Ok, ONWARD!

Jim, I’m still laughing hours later after going to 36 and then rereading your hilarious but unfortunately accurate description of said stench. Oh if only Jim Lehey was still around to critique and categorize the Winds of Shit that only seem to strengthen with time throughout 2020!

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Chortled my coffee on that one. Too funny.

Living in Appalachia.., four miles from the WV border.. well, I can say is I run into Mr. Lahey (or a guy just like him) all the time at the corner beer store.

Q: What does a tornado and a redneck divorce have in common?
A: In the end.. someone is going to lose a trailer.

I need to check out 10/14/89 Oroborous, so many great shows, so little time, or maybe too much time.

Finished up this wonderful show of 10/16/89. Sound quality is A+ and I have to say for a 2001 release, unbelievably good.

I still will give the slight nod to the Hampton shows, but all three are top notch.

If you don't have NFOD, do yourself a favor and get a copy, they are still cheap on the secondary market.

I guess the Eyes have it based on the sell out speed of Dave's 36.

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Listened to 10-16-89 in the car this week, started Tuesday and since my commute is usually about 20 min each way it took until Thursday to finish the show. Yeah, I didn’t get to listen to it uninterrupted but I have listened to that show many times since getting it when it was released. At that time I was disappointed that they didn’t release 10-9-89, since I already had that on cassette. Of course, when they did release Hampton I was disappointed that I paid $60 for a release that didn’t sound better than the CD-R copies I had.
Anyway, 10-16 sounds better than Hampton but Hampton has the aura going for it. Both worthy listens in my book.
Of note, after listening on 10/9 I jumped to 3-15-90 for comparison and that made Hampton seem like training camp, performance and sound quality wise.
I didn’t make it to Hampton but my friend did and he said that there were tickets taped to the outside doors of the venue and he just grabbed one and walked in. They didn’t tear the ticket as he entered so it is still whole like the one in Oroborous’ picture.

So, I’m ahead of schedule again for an anniversary listen because I’ve got 10-19-73 playing.
Then I come here and Oro mentions Fall ‘73.....

And Jim mentions stink bombs.....

That board is actually entertaining.

Great show. I can't say any of the three we are comparing are better than any of the others. Perhaps we are splitting hairs. I am a bit biased, but that aside NFOD has a better mix.

What are we listening to tomorrow? I am going to hit DaP 35 again tonight before I probably put it down for a while. Wouldn't mind setting the wayback.. well, way back.

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hey Oro! I'm still here. I'm trying to keep up with you guys but dragging ass again. I missed 10/14/80 but will catch up to it soon. I'm still focused on the 4 released Oct '89 shows. It IS hard to pick a fave they are all so good. Hampton has the best sound for my ears. Phil's bass sounds so rich, I can just imagine it rumbling the walls of the Hampton coliseum. I'll say I prefer all of these shows to Spring 90, for the reasons we've talked about. The band sounds less polished and the jams looser and more psychedelic. I have a sneaking suspicion my favorite might wind up being 10/26, with that mind bending 45 minute Dark Star- Space. I'm still getting acquainted with it!

Ain't it grand that we have all 3 Fall '89 Dark Stars in great sound quality and they are all inspired!

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....ill spell it out because acronyms are for the lazy. FFS.
The next skull on your necklace is mine.

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10/15/84 ✔️
4/24/78 ✔️
10/16/77 (part of ) ✔️
10/16/89 ✔️
RT 2.3 Bonus 😉 ✔️
My ears are bleeding.....but in a good way!

Yeah I’d say we’re all on the same page with 10/16 “versus” Hampton.
10/16 great show, but didn’t move me as much as Hampton either night.

Manana: I think I’m going to work in those Warfield acoustic shows from last year, start early on Philly 89, and see what pops up here...

GOLLUM: glad your ok, last we saw ya you were at some rest area on the Jersey pike, “what exit“ I’m not sure...

....that reminds me. We need to start a bracket system for shows. Ala sports.
Just a random thought.
I hope I didn't start something I cant finish.

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“LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IN THIS CORNER FROM THE YEAR 1972 we have.....“.

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yep Oro, i was with my sweet mountain wildflower, far from the maddening crowds (and the DaP 36 thread.) now back in my cave in the hills. lately been diving in to the Grateful Deadcasts on Workingmans and American Beauty. I'm into that style of deep history and every episode is chock full of cool and crazy stuff. still haven't downloaded the Angel's Share for either but maybe after work today. mention here of that 1st set closing sequence for 10/14/80 piqued my interest. Jed > Let It Grow > Wheel > Music??!! that is simply amazing!!
My friend's ex (who wasn't a head like him) phoned him (he had moved to AZ) after 10/16/89 to let him know that she heard a Dark Star and that it started to snow in the Meadowlands when they were playing it.
One of the reigning champions in my corner is 10/19/73 - that'll get a deep listen later this weekend. have to put in some work hours today first.
have a great weekend everybody.

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Are The Grateful Dead Mainstream in 1989?
We’ll see, if this record does really well… - Jerry 10/13/89

Dug into some supplemental stuff while digging the Nightfall of Diamonds and there’s some pretty interesting things to check out.

As you all probably know 10/16 is the last night of the Dead’s five night run at Meadowlands, the longest run of the year, with one day off on 10/13/89.

But 10/13 was not a day of rest for Jerry.
1. Jerry does an interview for CBS This Morning with Mark McEwen in a NYC Hotel Room. He graciously sits through and thoughtfully answers questions he must’ve had to answer 100s of times over the years, nothing really new or revealing here, but it’s fun to watch & listen to Jerry. The interviewer is total cheese (sorry Mark). Jerry seems a little miffed that the Album hadn’t been released already, and says “It’s pretty good.”

2. Jerry and Bob appear on David Letterman and play Second That Emotion with Paul Schaffer and band. Odd song choice, last time played 4/29/71. They briefly mention a tour of Russia in May ’90 that obviously never happened. Dave asks “How long will you be there?” Answer “Until they let us out” - Jerry

There’s also a little 5 minute clip of the Today Show from possibly 10/13 or 14 with Bob & Jerry with Rona Elliot, typical of the time, focuses on the Dead Heads and why the Dead are still touring.

I believe the Foolish Heart Official Video had been released already, so I watched that too. Interesting.

And lastly and possibly most telling, Jerry makes an appearance on WNEW on 10/16 and answers questions from callers.
Fan Question - “You thinking of pulling Dark Star or Death Don’t or any of that out of your hat tonight?”
Answer - “Probably, those are kinda going into an active rotation.” - Jerry on WNEW 10/16/89

Fans hearing that, had to be pretty stoked about this final night of the run.

Anybody got a line on the full WNEW interview?
I could only find a short excerpt of the questions.
All the above is on YouTube if you want to check it out.

I dig this show, not sure I can make a worthwhile comparison to Hampton shows, other than they’re both hot and fun to listen too. But I think I like this set lists’ flow better. Dark Star opening the set seems to keep it light and peppy and then the Playing > UJB > Playing sequence is killer. Great Pre-drums sequence and the post drums return to Dark Star > Attics > Playing and WBYGN encore, I’ll take that any day over Dr. Mr. Fantasy > Throwing > Good Lovin’. Now if they’d only played Death Don’t out of space instead of I Will Take You Home > Miracle..

I had to check out Miami 10/25 Playing > UJB > Playing after hearing this. Good stuff there too. The Set list heads in the audience of 10/25 had to be holding their breath after that, hopefully they stuck around for the next night. 10/25 is real good. Thinkin’ I’ma gonna spend some time with it today

For you Tour heads any other stand outs you want to give a shout out for at the Meadowlands? I can’t remember any in particular, you all mentioned digging 10/15?

I agree with Gollum, it's pretty dope that they've officially released all 3 versions of the return of Dark Star from October. 30 Trips boxset sure was good for filling in some holes.
Just need the 12/31/89 Dark Star to complete the year officially. '81 & '84 Dark Stars should get that treatment as well IMO. But I guess the tapes are good for now. Speaking of '81, I knew that date was in the cosmos yesterday.. 10/16/81!! How could I not remember that connection.

I like this 1989 trip... pretty neat.
Bluecrow I’m with you on the Deadcast, check out the supplemental material, highly illuminating. Sounds like 10/19/73 is getting some play and icecremcnkd you are correct it is entertaining!
Good stuff you all.

Be Well and Enjoy Your Weekend.

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So far I’ve done every show through the 16th in order. Though their all good shows, the 14th is the one that I liked best so far (other than the 3 big dogs obviously). Really looking forward to Philly and then the 3 shows I’ve never heard.
Really curious about 10/25 as I had tickets and was originally going to Philly then Miami since we had such a good time at the 88 shows down there. But when Hampton popped up, especially as “the Warlocks” I knew I HAD to get there, which is a whole other 2 stories, one for each ticket lol. But I had been working less than a year at my job and just couldn’t swing all three. Looking back on the overall situation 31 years later I should of just gone....sigh...but given the choice, I’d still take Hampton!
So I did all three Dark Stars in a row last week and I like Hampton best. Jersey is tight, short and sweet, while Miami is a bit ruff until about ten minutes in, but as soon as the vocals are finished its like a hard left turn into amazing groovy psychedelic madness!
What’s on tap today? Bluecrow brought up 10/19/73, perhaps my favorite DPs and a top Dark Star for sure. Have to fit that in sometime soon, but when I can give it a sit good sit down. Need to finish paint & patch then straighten up the garage so want to hit some 8os acoustic, but I think y’all already went there....going to start the Philly run later as I’ve been trying to give some of these multiple plays, especially the shows I’m not familiar with. But need something short and sweet, perhaps some primal dead just to mix it up?

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OB - 10/14 you say.. all right, loading it up on the phone for some exploration. Taper's Compendium mentioned that one as well, I think DV too, so it's confirmed.

I'd say 10/14/80 for you, make an acoustic set out of the SBD of first two tracks, 4 songs on Reckoning and 4 songs from Audience, or just do the audience tape. Unless you want the whole meal deal, which is good or did you already listen to it the other day? If that's the case dive into 10/9 & 10/10. Or yeah, primal is never a bad option.

Alright my friend. Miami 10/25 sounded pretty hot from what I heard yesterday, the 10/26 Dark Star is a dark monster. Hampton was historic, so you made the right pick between the two, but yeah you probably should've gone to see them all ;)

Who am I kidding, I didn't see any shows in 1989!
Found out they were playing Dark Star again right before the show on 10/22/90. Talking to this American head who said, yeah man they played Dark Star the other night in Berlin. What have I been missing I thought?!?! Ah pre-internet days... I kinda miss them, then again, what would I do without all my time?!?!

What a trip to think about!

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For those who do torrents the 1980 project folders were recently put up on etree.
There were a couple of 79 folders too.
That was last week, haven’t checked back to see what came this week.

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I have the project folders if anyone is interested...

Have we done Two From the Vault here yet?

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Come in JiminMD

That'd be a negative on TFTV, repeat that has not been listened to yet, over.

Eyes on... and it appears to be a go.

What's your 20?
Do you copy?

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Yes, let's do it. Another Pearson Healy masterpiece. I need to find my copy from 1993. Have not listened to this one in a while.

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Sounds like a well rehearsed Grateful Dead on a mission here.. over.

Might need to include the Anthem Bonus Material from 8/23/68 as some extra credit.

Primal Sunday Morning.

so....
two from the vault
aoxomoxoa bonus
10/19/73 knocking on the door with its amazing soft moon, mist, fog, spirit-filled fields of Dark Star > Mind Left Body > Morning Dew, Sugar Mag, Eyes > Stella Blue
and . . . .
thinking this morning that in the midst of anniversary for Winterland '74 shows - so spun that always sweet first disc of GD Movie Soundtrack 'cause its starts with exuberant and joyous US Blues from 10/18 and finishes with cherry Playing in the Band from 10/16.
and then ...
1st disc from that sweet little Warfield acoustic release
and...
yesterday totally digging the latest Grateful Deadcast on Warfield '80
and....
can't say enough about Deadcast deep dives into Workingmans and American Beauty - bringing even stronger appreciation to already sacred albums
and...
typing this while listening to the listening party for Daves 36 yeefreakinghaw - Esau, Birdsong, Touch - arriving at the doorstep shortly

Ken Nordine before 8/21/93 Eugene - "you are the cinematographer"

here comes sunshine, here comes sunshine!!

I had to moooooovvvvveee,
Dooah, went from Hatrick plus on Friday to basically the bench yesterday, only got to listen to part of acoustic Warfield.
Did watch awesome documentary Marley on Bluray so great audio. Really interesting doc if you haven’t seen it.
But now I have to get going as I’m way behind. Prolly have to skip vault dos which blows cause I love that one and haven’t heard in a while. Ok, hup, hup off to it.....

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Bill Graham pulling the GD crew out on stage Winterland '74 = classic.

Nice call on the GD Movie Soundtrack. Possibly my favorite GD compilation.

Such a distinct sound to these shows.

Strider we need an October '74 at Winterland story to go along with these tunes.

Bonus Anthem / TFTV material on hold until after 4:20 ;)
8/24 is just plain great, I might give it another spin too.
And 10/19/73 tomorrow!

This GD Movie soundtrack is sounding amazing!

It's gonna be a good day.

Putting that on the docket for next Saturday.

Went to etree today and the 1981 and 1982 project folders are there.
Also a few more Millers, including a cassette master of 6-22-91 which says that tape flips were patched with the DAT SBD. Why not just put out the DAT SBD?

ICECRMCNKD: Yeah, that SBD > Cassette Master recorded by Pearson & Healy is dope, the SBD > Dat patch source has been circulating since like 2011, but this new source sounds better to me.

Maybe it's something to do with the Transfer equipment upgrades in the 9 years since that SBD > Dat source originated. I know Gans mentioned he'd just go in there and try and get as much as he could transferred and probably didn't have the super dope equipment.

Or maybe I just like the Analog gen sound, but again to me this new one sounds like an upgrade and I dig it!

Check em out and let's hear the feedback:
(NEW) SBD > Cassette - https://archive.org/details/gd1991-06-22.150648.sbd.pearson-healy.mille…
(OLD) SBD > Dat - https://archive.org/details/gd1991-06-22.sbd.gans.miller.112775.flac16

I vote Cassette Master.

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back when they first released the Grateful Dead Movie on dvd they included as bonus material honest to god ~5" section from original copies of the film in a generic small postal envelope. which strikes me now as a completely crazy dead thing. I received a section (7 complete frames, 2 partials) that is a tight close-up sequence of Jerry's hand, emphasis on hand, playing the Wolf. years ago I studied the movie long and hard trying to figure out what song it was from and as far I can tell its from the jam out of Eyes (!!)
did any of you folks out there get a snip of the film, and if so, from where in the movie?

I’ll have to compare my copies sometime. Before this new one I know I had more than one copy on a HD and the CD-R copy in my living room is around 10 yeas old.

Edit:
Hah!
Stupid reCRAPTCHA thinks that a mailbox is a parking meter.

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Luckies!

Cool collector head bonus.

Take some pics. I wanna see.

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I’ll try to figure out the scene I have next week when I watch the Movie.

Mine has pink/purple lighting and is a shot of the stage that shows part of the crowd, the front end of Keith’s piano, and several people on the stage. It looks like they are tuning up because Phil is facing his equipment and it looks like a crew member is doing something to a microphone. It’s hard to tell, I had to use a magnifying glass and a white paper background.

Note that these strips came from the film reels that were sent out to theaters when the movie was released. They’re not scraps from the cutting room floor.

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If you haven’t noticed it before, sometimes there is a SYF flag draped over Keith’s piano, and it gets rotated by 90 degrees.
I always wondered if they used that as a way to know which night the film was from.

On my film strip I can’t see enough of the piano to know if the SYF flag is there.

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Ended up playing family peacemaker today.. which involved extracting my teenage son from the grips of his foaming from the mouth mom before one of them killed the other.. decided to drop what I was doing and do some fly fishing upstream with the boy, basically get him out of the house pronto.. took the mountain bike, ebike for the kid, my mac daddy device and began the bike ride upstream to where the rapids start (really end as you come downstream). Low and behold.. no Two From the Vault loaded!! argh, thought I had that one with me.. by the time I realized this we were miles from home so no turning around.

Also had my waterproof device with me and since we were wading anyway, used that in case I slipped and fell in. It's an unlabled IPod shuffle.. I have several, so what will play is always a pleasant surprise and takes a little guesswork. They are essentially river tunes.

It took me until Bobby set a cluster of tarantulas loose on the crowded folks in the front row to figure out the show for sure.. but I knew it was 73, it was an excellent recording and I had a strong hunch it was 4/2 Boston.. and yes.. it has pleasant Bobby McGee out of space so there's that.

My favorite Bobby cover might just be Desolation Row. Haven't given that much thought but that song comes to mind.

Beautiful fall day.. got a few bites but no keepers, most importantly everyone is safe and sound.. egos restored, blood pressure down, power tools away.. knives carefully stored.. hair unclenched from the grips of the others hands.. I'm calling it a win.

So I am doing Two From the Vault tomorrow. My day was shot before it even got started. At least I got to test out some new flies and found a new absolutely gorgeous deep hole to fish next year...

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...Cowboy Bob...especially on El Paso...

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Me & Bobby McGee is a good one for sure.

If I had to pick an all time favorite Bob Cover it'd be Me And My Uncle, probably for nostalgic reasons.
1st GD Album I had was WALSTIB and I remember vividly playing LP 3 and going from the worlds of St. Stephen, Jack Straw to Me & My Uncle. And within those 3 songs I'd traveled to more places than my 15 year old pointed head could've dreamed up on my own. I guess riding the plains that day with Bob's Character & his Uncle made a profound impression on me. Too bad... he taught me so well that I grabbed that gold and left his dead ass there by the side of the road.

Doesn't get much better than that!

Fun to think / muse about.

And wow Wee wow wow... That GD Movie Soundtrack is awesome!
Hadn't listened to that in forever, speaking of forever... Tomorrow is Forever, I dig Jerry & Donna's version.
Jerry was a big Dolly Parton fan!
That He's Gone > Caution Jam > Truckin' is sick!!
And both PITB on that there gem are top notch.

And yeah TFTV continues to be awesome.

So it sounds like 10/19/73 today?
Looks like we dusted this puppy off about 5 months ago on 5/23/20 so yes.. it's due for it's Anniversary Trip!

PS - BlueCrow you all are peaking my interest in checking out that August '87 Telluride run through Utah, I don't think I've spent much time with those tapes. Sounds like you dig 'em? Might have to make some room for those this week. Spent a lot of time in Calaveras County with Carlos, but not so much in the Majestic Mountains.

This release kills it. Disc 4 is super hot. Probably one of the best UJB I have ever heard. The energy is so high. The He's Gone, into a Truckin tease, to Caution, then weaving back into Truckin, Black Peter! Some of the best performances I have ever heard.
And of course this is 74 Multi Track. I listen to this release quite a bit. That disc 4 is great for work outs.
As others have mentioned put the whole run out with video as a box set, it would be mind blowing. Dave has indicated they have even more video for future releases. It is time.

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DV - Definitely agree on the GD Movie Soundtrack. Kills it!
Made for a great listen yesterday. Could probably stay there all week.

Not sure how that got so buried in my collection... oh yeah, they keep releasing stuff every other month and there's upgrades and new stuff all the time!!

I've said it before, but if there's one good thing about the current times we live in, it's that it's the Golden Age of Collecting The Dead.

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I split mine up by date, so it’s 10-19% today. Sounds mighty fine.
(I did 10-19-73 on Friday and then redid Dark Star to end on Saturday for good measure).

Winterland in October....
Got to get the From Egypt With Love anniversary in too.
It’s not a bad predicament to be in.

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GOGD - somewhere in my vault is a cassette of Set II from the Park City show. Might just have been my favorite tape from '87. Super big rich sound and a great set of music. Not sure of the source, not even sure if it's been uploaded, but I think possibly one of the FOB sources, not the ultramatrix.

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Okay, how does 5/6/81, Dick's picks #13 strike you all?

The hidden bonus tracks on disc 2 are wild.

Everybody hang loose.

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POD first "official" pick from 1981. I'm hip, DL been playing some May '81 on Taper's Section recently.

1st night of three nights at Nassau with the off night Tom Snyder show appearance on 5/7/81.
Saw an interview with Jerry in '81 and he was talking about Snyder and appearing on the show. It's rich.

BlueCrow: Park City 8/20/87 you say? Best of '87, back in the day huh?
Alright, I'm gonna get that playing this week, maybe we can make that a pick this week or like tomorrow?

Good stuff!

Playing the Snyder '81 as we speak to give me a little '81 acoustic palette cleanse. Plus acoustic Dead at 6:20am is good ;)

EDIT: For any stat geeks out there keeping track, 9/10/81 was floated on 5/19/20 but I think the "official" pick was 5/19/77 that day.

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Still on 10/19. Just getting to the DS now.