• 1,034 replies
    clayv
    Default Avatar
    Joined:

    "Welcome to the 10th year of the Dave's Picks series! We're amazed and humbled that this community of Dave's Picks fans keeps growing, and we just wanted to let you know how much we sincerely appreciate your support of and interest in the series. We started in 2012 with 12,000 of each release, and now we've more doubled that, with 25,000 in 2021. Wow! We keep working as hard as we possibly can to bring you the best, most exciting Grateful Dead shows in the vault. Our 2020 releases included music from 1977, 1974, 1984, and the latest, biggest release yet in the series, the two complete Hartford shows from 1987. Looking ahead, we've selected two exceptional, A+ Dead shows for Vol. 37 (more on that in the video below) and 38, as well as the Bonus Disc that will come with Vol. 38. Big year ahead! As we head into the 10th year of the series, there's no end in sight. We love what we do, and have loads of plans and ideas for the next few years. Onward to more great music!"

    David Lemieux
    October 2020

    Times may be trying but the music has never and will never stop! Keep the momentum going by doing the Dead all year long with a Dave's Picks 2021 subscription. We're taking the production run up one final time - to 25,000 - for each of the four Dave's Picks 2021 releases. We'll also be doing things a wee bit differently this year - subscribers will be the first to receive their Dave's Picks. A la carte sales will go up on street date (no more pre-orders) and if you don't subscribe - we highly encourage you to - you'll want to be ready and waiting because these releases sell out within hours. Hours - no hyperbole.

    In addition to the four releases in 2021, totaling 12 CDs, you’ll also get the subscription exclusive bonus disc, which has proven to be one of the most highly sought-after collectables we release, and free domestic shipping. Subscriber bonus discs will not be released outside of this offer. Early bird subscribers can nab a sub at $99.98 (regular pricing will be $115.92).

Comments

sort by
Recent
Reset
  • hendrixfreak
    Joined:
    Need-a-new-release syndrome...

    If I recall correctly, the apogee of this syndrome occurred perhaps 5 years ago when the discussion veered toward whether to let the mashed potatoes touch the pork chops as one chowed down on dinner.

    Blew my mind. Yet, I'm still undecided on that point....

    Next up: the DaP 38 reveal, sometime in December, which starts Tuesday. I'm all ears. And looking forward to that flamethrower discussion... if we have weeks to go to word on DaP 38, I'm all flamethrower all the time.

    Whatever that means.

  • JimInMD
    Joined:
    Guitars Hand Grenades and Grateful Dead

    It's all about the aim, Oroborous.. When used properly and with good aim, hand grenades will cause no harm to the vermin that annoy you and will usually convince them to relocate to a different part of the county. The same can be said about deft usage of a high quality, accurate flamethrower (which gets considerably harder when the mice make it indoors..) perhaps a topic for another day perhaps.

    I knew you techies would have more to say on tone and style over the years. Interesting discussion, many thanks.

    A little more on the modifications made on the Nash Strat over the years.. the first guitar Jerry began to heavily modify.

    https://www.guitarworld.com/news/jerry-garcias-alligator-fender-strat-i….

    When vermin control takes center stage.. yes, we need a new release.. (or at least word of what the new release is going to be)

  • hendrixfreak
    Joined:
    I think I inadvertently dropped a grenade...

    Okay, a couple comments. Yes, Oroborous, the flip side of getting different sounds with different guitars is the way a player can sound like him or herself on different axes. True and good point.

    Um, Keef has 500 effin' guitars?! Okay, that's just ONE TOO MANY.... 499? Okay. But 500?? That's just over the top! (Confession: I have three useful acoustics; my fav is a Martin D-35. I have five electrics and have been playing the '64 Gretsch 6120 hollowbody a lot lately, and the aforementioned SG in open D.)

    Lastly, LedDed, I too -- if forced -- would pick Jer's Nash Strat on the Euro tour as my favorite sound, but you're right, one can't separate the Strat from the peak music and improvisation.

    I do own an American SG and an American Strat and love playing both (if crudely). I'd say, the Fender needs more power to achieve its signature tone, while the SG kinda needs to be restrained. The SG was more expensive and I feel the components are of higher quality. To me, the SG stays in tune better. I can tune from standard to, say, open D, on the SG for some fingerpicking and the SG holds the tuning more accurately than the Strat.

    Of course, Jer's choice of instrument -- as someone pointed out -- also must be evaluated/enjoyed in relation to the instrument choices of the rest of the band, particularly Bobby. And yes, I liked Bob's ES335 tone best in the Euro setting. Gawd, what a tour! Maybe time for another full show from that insane run. I still marvel that me and two pals took 2 1/2 years to work through that 22-show box. Some of those four-disc shows required sleep-overs, though I do recall a few moderately perilous drives home after a 3 1/2 hour Euro show.

    Good stuff. What's next? Oh yeah, DaP 38 (big '73 show) and that 2021 fall '72 box! (I need to get out and socialize, obviously....).

  • daverock
    Joined:
    Guitars

    I wonder if Jerry changed guitars at all during individual sets? He doesn't seem to have done, although as I write this, I do have a distant memory of him changing to a strat for Space in one of the late period dvds - maybe in the View From the Vaults series.

    I agree that Bob's guitar playing sounded much stronger when he was playing the Gibsons. Watching that Egypt show, one of the factors I am not so keen on is his sound. It looks as though he is playing an Ibanez. The sound is quite cheap and tinny. And if that wasnt bad enough, he also plays lot of slide on it.

    Imagine what Jerry could have done with a guitar like the one pictured to the left of this message. Big River etc could have really shone.

  • Oroborous
    Joined:
    UJB playing to the times

    LD, I agree with much of your post Sir, but feel I must respectfully disagree and provide rebuttal about the slanderous over generalization about JGs diminishing skills, sloppiness, and laziness in the eighties.
    I will fully agree that his personal issues and overindulgences could negatively impact his proficiency at times.
    But I believe he, like most that play that much for that long, continued to grow in versatility, ability, and knowledge.
    Yes the overall arrangements and cohesiveness of songs was affected due to lack of band rehearsal, they’ve all admitted to that, and yes this could be attributed to him, and yes he unarguably had occasions of terribleness, but even during his worst times he always had a guitar with him...name a era and his M.O. was always a tv, a guitar, a pack of smokes, and yes sometimes other more destructive things. But he always kept playing! His supposed only complaint about E72 was they didn’t play enough. He always played as much as possible, and when you did get the real deal I argue he was continually evolving.
    As far as gizmos and distortions;
    1) he always loved that sort of thing, there just was way less reliable stuff back then, and
    2) they always played to the times!
    Whether consciously or not, from sixties psychedelic, to early 70s “country” rock, disco, to yes, harder rock, they always tastefully reflected the times without selling out or over doing what was en Vogue. So I think his use of such was for these reasons rather than being “lazy and sloppy“.
    Personally, I argue they OVERALL became a more professional, including lights and sound, band. There were times in the seventies when they'd tune before almost every song, for longer then the song, and still be outta tune. That didn't happen much later on. They’d tune less often and in less time.
    Certainly everyone has preferences and is entitled to their opinions, I’ve just never liked generalizations, either pro or negative. No offense, for the sake of conversation just contesting that point.
    Peace!

  • LedDed
    Joined:
    Close Encounters

    Remember, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

    Chiming in on Jer's ever changing stable of axes, the best playing I ever hear out of him is on Europe 72. The whole tour, with Bickershaw Festival being to me the all-time high water mark for both he and the band. That cream colored Strat originally gifted him by Graham Nash is my all time favourite Jerry sound. But it goes hand in hand with his playing; he was then at the very height of his powers.

    Gibsons, to me, sound fuller and thicker than Fenders due to their humbucking pickups (sometimes P90's) which tend to be less trebly. The stock single coil bridge pickup on a Stratocaster will slice your head clean off. It's a nearly useless sound... got to at least get into one of the clucky positions between bridge and mid, or neck for a little more warmth. Unless of course you're playing surf guitar or country twang.

    Gibsons also generally prefer heavier strings, .010's at least due to their shorter scale length, whereas your typical Strat-style is usually set up for .009's. This is the gauge of the thinnest, high E-string for the uninitiated. The heavier strings also stay in tune better, along with the hardtail or stop-tailpiece/bridge on a Gibson. Fenders tend to be harder to keep in tune particularly if one uses the original tremolo bar mechanism (just listen to Hendrix live). Unless your name is Jeff Beck or David Gilmour, and you are a tone magician of the highest order.

    There are exceptions... Stevie Ray Vaughan played with very heavy strings on his Strats, got a fat tone and generally stayed in tune. Stretching your strings is also one of the most important things in keeping an axe in tune throughout the rigors of a live set.

    Jerry began putting a lot more gizmos into his signal path as time went on and his skills diminished, as well. He began to hide his sloppiness and lazy playing behind a wall of distortion and effects throughout the later 1980s and especially into the 1990s. Hell, Brent even began taking solos that used to be the exclusive territory of one Jerome John Garcia.

    I still love all the music, and I enjoy Jerry in his later years, but nothing tops the man on fire around E72 era for both tone and technique. I also like Bob backing him on on the ES335 before he went all trebly and transparent, a sound that he maintains to this day.

    \m/

  • Oroborous
    Joined:
    Guitars and Cadillacs and hippie music...

    Sorry Dwight lol.
    HF your both correct and not...
    What you said is true, but I’d argue that an instrument pared with the right player can plug into any rig and do there thing! Conversely, much of the sound/tone that we dissect is due to the technology. Like can you imagine what JG would of sounded like on Live Dead plugging that SG into his 1990 rig? And to those that hate the midi etc, do you really think they wouldn’t have used the technology in 1969 if it was available? So it’s a complicated interesting thing.
    I do like the biting sound of the SG in JGs hands, but it’s often too thin sounding to me via others use. That was another of his great qualities; getting awesome tone and finding ways to make what ever axe he was using sound better than the same one used by others.
    My only problem with the Gibson’s etc, was they were out of tune too much. Just like some folks can’t take his vocals after “x” (critics can fill in their date) It’s hard for me to listen to out of tune guitars and vocals. Now I’m not talking the occasional instance, but when I notice enough instances during a particular show that it colors my recollections it. Unfortunately, this is why I dont dig 70-71 as much as most. Great set lists, ultimate creative period, amazing versatility (acoustic, pedal steel, and electric all in one night...foe git about it!) but sorry to be a bummer but a lot of that era is outta a tune! The vocals are more noticeable on 2 trac only, as multitrack allows later manipulation and blending; just listen to the awesome new Capital theater releases! I wonder if they’ve used a touch of auto tune to clean em up too?

    Eventually, the advent of the electric tuner would help, but if instruments don’t stay in tune while your playing.....
    This was one of the big reasons Bob and Phil started using Modulus Graphite instruments; The carbon fiber wasn’t as susceptible to extreme temperature shifts etc so they stayed in better tune.
    So it’s a the ole yin yang again; you love the era but have trouble with the tuning etc, or you love the more professionalism, sound, and effects, (and yes I think they got way more professional as years went by) but you don’t dig the R&R Cocaine train energy etc....that’s our boys, never perfect, but always great! Lol
    Speaking of the Bean, I believe it’s more the equipment that your referring too as the purpose of the Bean with its metal neck was to facilitate huge sustain (density of wood does so too, but not as much as metal!) Reverb wouldn’t be a characteristic of an instrument but a product of a reverb unit or setting on the Fender Twin Reverb and ultimately the room. Both kinds would be affected somewhat by recording techniques.
    My understanding of the main reason he used the Beans was to supposedly have more reliability on the road. Not being fully customized you’d be able to carry replacement parts could be easily swapped out on the road, where as the Irwin would have to go to the shop. I don’t dig the Bean as much as I used to, but again, if you plugged it into later years it probably would not have the same issues...
    All that being said, I like the Tiger best! I loved the Wolf, but the Strat has really grown on me over the years, again more because of the hands it was in than it being a Fender. Totally dig the Gibson’s for the more hard rock 60s psychedelic sound, and with the extra distortion you don’t notice when outta tune as much, but as I say it’s hit or miss for me later on, but that’s just me...
    Didn’t dig his later years sound as much but that’s more a product of the tech involved than the instruments.
    I thought contrary to the company line that when they stopped using actual speakers on stage and ran direct even with the speaker simulators it didn’t sound right. I understand totally why they did it, and it did help to address those concerns, but I think it lost some of the naturalism and that perfect R&R blend of clean and dirty etc, but agin, that’s just me....I thought they started getting too convoluted near the end and sounded too plastic? or clean and not enough like a R&R band. I know this is why Doc and others love 71 so much. That hard slightly dirty, not so techie R&R sound that became too clean for some. The sound of a bar band pushing the timeless simple set up of a good tube amp slightly overdriven! Like the sound that sucked me in: Johnny B Goode from Skullfuck! Tasty !
    But my favorite everything GD wise will always be 89-90 because of the versatility to be able to get the whole sonic spectrum, but again, that’s just me...(Interestingly, JGs core infrastructure, unlike Phil and more so Bob, didn’t change that much after he started using the Twin/MC 2300/ JBL E120 set up, just the effects etc changed)
    Ultimately, the truest form of greatness is the ability to plug into anything, and immediately be recognizable because of the signature uniqueness, tone and style!
    JG of course, Hendrix, Page (usually), Clapton (usaully), Santana, Miles, hell even the edge and Slash. You can tell the great ones instantly!
    Lol, ok, sorry, too much coffee and nothing to do here too!

  • Oroborous
    Joined:
    Advice and Vermin

    Uncle Sammy is both humorous and right on about vacuuming being best, but I’m curious if you have a special device? I’ve only tried my household vac with the smallest attachment, which helps, but doesn't really do the job. That’s where I find using the air to blow out the hard to get stuff in conjunction with vacuuming is best, but I need to investigate some sort of small precision vacuum?

    CONEKID: wonder what kind of range it has? I need something like that for prairie dogs, moles and field mice, not to be mistaken with Mayor Field!
    I was looking into water guns but was disappointed by the inherent idiosyncrasies of most, and that the one that would of worked is no longer available except on the black market for too much...
    I don’t want to kill em for various reasons, but I’ve read that if you make them not welcome they will retreat a bit which is all I’m looking for: “damn kids, get off my lawn!”
    I need something quick; as the enemy is lightning fast!, versatile, most importantly accurate with enough range and power to get the job done but not so much I’m killing them? Currently I try and hose em but their so damn quick and smart that I don’t often get a good shot...“Remember, to kill the gofer you have to be the gofer!”

  • daverock
    Joined:
    Gibson SG

    That is my favourite Jerry Garcia tone-the one recorded on Live Dead. It seemed quite a popular choice on the West Coast in the late 60s-incredible tones on the same instrument by Barry Melton, and especially John Cippolina..
    The other ingredient in defining sound is the player, of course.
    One of the interesting things about watching a post 1989 Stones show is how often Keith Richards changes guitar within one set. He typically plays various telecasters-some in open G with only 5 strings, to Gibson 335s, to Les Paul Juniors to strats. I think he's got about 500 at home.

  • JimInMD
    Joined:
    Ok

    The SG is in, I had to sleep on this one.

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

6 years 3 months

"Welcome to the 10th year of the Dave's Picks series! We're amazed and humbled that this community of Dave's Picks fans keeps growing, and we just wanted to let you know how much we sincerely appreciate your support of and interest in the series. We started in 2012 with 12,000 of each release, and now we've more doubled that, with 25,000 in 2021. Wow! We keep working as hard as we possibly can to bring you the best, most exciting Grateful Dead shows in the vault. Our 2020 releases included music from 1977, 1974, 1984, and the latest, biggest release yet in the series, the two complete Hartford shows from 1987. Looking ahead, we've selected two exceptional, A+ Dead shows for Vol. 37 (more on that in the video below) and 38, as well as the Bonus Disc that will come with Vol. 38. Big year ahead! As we head into the 10th year of the series, there's no end in sight. We love what we do, and have loads of plans and ideas for the next few years. Onward to more great music!"

David Lemieux
October 2020

Times may be trying but the music has never and will never stop! Keep the momentum going by doing the Dead all year long with a Dave's Picks 2021 subscription. We're taking the production run up one final time - to 25,000 - for each of the four Dave's Picks 2021 releases. We'll also be doing things a wee bit differently this year - subscribers will be the first to receive their Dave's Picks. A la carte sales will go up on street date (no more pre-orders) and if you don't subscribe - we highly encourage you to - you'll want to be ready and waiting because these releases sell out within hours. Hours - no hyperbole.

In addition to the four releases in 2021, totaling 12 CDs, you’ll also get the subscription exclusive bonus disc, which has proven to be one of the most highly sought-after collectables we release, and free domestic shipping. Subscriber bonus discs will not be released outside of this offer. Early bird subscribers can nab a sub at $99.98 (regular pricing will be $115.92).

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

6 years 8 months
Permalink

Where's the vid?

PS: See it!

user picture

Member for

3 years 11 months

In reply to by mcgrupp216

Permalink

:)))

ordered!!!

my birthday and Christmas come early :)))

user picture

Member for

15 years 9 months
Permalink

didn't even look at the video, thanks for my yearly Dead fix.

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

12 years 6 months
Permalink

Let's do this!!!!!
PLAY DEAD
PLAY DEAD LOUD

user picture

Member for

14 years 5 months
Permalink

The only thing that would have me more excited is a release from nineteen-SIXTY-eight . . .

Looking forward to sweet sweet Grateful Dead showing up hither and yon in my mailbox.

user picture

Member for

17 years
Permalink

Had to. The choices get more interesting and diverse. Now to watch the video.

user picture

Member for

13 years 7 months
Permalink

Yeeeehaw!!!

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

12 years 2 months
Permalink

When Dave said Spring 78, I immediately hoped for 4/16... Hmm, but the stretch from Peggy-O through Eyes is approximately 90 minutes. Hate to see a personal favorite chopped up, but that would be some killer Philler.

user picture

Member for

13 years 7 months
Permalink

William and Mary. Yup, I was at that one. Haven't ever heard a recording of this show. I do remember that it was along day. Drove up from Durham, saw the show, drove back. I don't have that kind of stamina any more.

user picture

Member for

14 years 9 months
Permalink

Subscription via PayPal worked first time. Something to look forward to for next year.

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years 5 months
Permalink

Thank you Dave and everyone for doing what it takes to make these possible. To the Deadhead family at large Peace, Love and Happiness to you all!
ClayH

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

13 years 8 months
Permalink

Thank you Dave for putting out William & Mary 1978! It was my 4th GD show and remains my personal favorite. It was an incredible experience. The show just drips with intensity. I've been waiting years for this!

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

11 years 10 months
Permalink

ordered ! how about 2/11/79 my 1st show.

user picture

Member for

17 years
Permalink

Well actually no time. I ordered via PayPal. Boom! I am looking forward to #37 and beyond. Dave L did not tell us the what the bonus material will be that is included on #37. It will be fun to guess on that but he said it was about an hour and a half from an under-the-radar show from this tour. We should run a poll for fun.

Dave also mentioned that Mr. Norman is working on the 2021 box and DaP #38 as well. The surprise is fun but I am a spazola so the wait gets to me too.

I...declare...a 1985 show(s)! (for any Office fans out there).

user picture

Member for

8 years 3 months
Permalink

As long as we’re requesting an official release for our first show, mine was 2/19/91. Come on, release some 1991 Dead.

On second thought, forget it. It’ll never happen. I had a great time though. I was 17 & finally got to see the Dead. The Greatest Story Ever Told sticks with me.

Only got to see them one more time with Jerry. 11/3/91 at the Bill Graham benefit in Golden Gate Park. After a few songs, John Fogerty came out and the Dead backed him on four CCR songs. Then after more Dead tunes, Forever Young with Neil Young. I do have an import cd of the radio broadcast, but once again, I doubt there will ever be an official release of that show either.

So happy the Dead keep releasing great shows. Even if I wasn’t there, I can still listen, dance, and shake my bones!

user picture

Member for

4 years 6 months
Permalink

Hey Dave, please release my first show 6/17/75. But you know what Dave, I would rather you release 10/31/69, 6/27//69, 6/28/69, 9/20/70, Ark 1969, Avalon 1969 . Thanks Dave for whats been released. Oh Dave I forgot, you have to release the October 1974 Winteland shows audio and video. Hey big Dave, I'm into Salmon fishing too, I used to go salmon fishing all the time out of Santa Cruz with my dad on his boat.

user picture

Member for

7 years 2 months
Permalink

Let's rock!

user picture

Member for

7 years 4 months
Permalink

2021 has to be shaping up to be a better year than 2020, right? I am actually blessed to have had a tremendously fortunate 2020, but all around us the fires are burning and it is getting hot in the kitchen.

Dave's 2021 sub and Garcia Live vol. 15 both on the same day... so much to look forward to.

Be well everyone.

\m/

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

3 years 8 months
Permalink

I had a blast at my first show 12/8/93, though maybe the performance isn't quite up to "official release"-quality. Well perhaps for Dave's Pick 100, LOL. In any case, really enjoying the quality of recent releases. I just subscribed for the 2021 series.

user picture

Member for

9 years 10 months
Permalink

Subscription acquired.

I've had this show uploaded to my phone for a while. I haven't listened to it but I like April 78. At this point I guess I'll just wait for the real version. Odd setlist, but definitely looking forward to the second 78 Mississippi Half-Step and The Morning Dew of course. Dave really talked up the Brown-Eyed Women, and that's one of the songs out of the 1 drummer era that I think actually got better post hiatus. Strange that there's no Scarlet Fire, Estimated Eyes, or Franklin's Tower. NobMusic Never Stopped orvTerrapin Station. Odd setlist

Billy the Kid - great track, thanks. That's the way to do it ! Also, looking at your recent suggestions for upcoming releases, if ever Dave lets go, you would be a good candidate for the throne.

Speaking of which, I'm not too cock a hoop over Dave's 37. It looks better than the last two-but that's not saying much. Haven't we already had two from April1978? I wonder if he has ever heard anything from 1968.

user picture

Member for

17 years
Permalink

This show gets some fine shout out's on heady version. http://headyversion.com/show/479/grateful-dead/1978-04-15/

As for the show to fill out the rest of the disc, I'm going with 4/16/78. My guess is he'll save 4/21 for a stand alone release as that show was originally slated for a 3-show box treatment with Normal and Nashville and those 2 shows have already been put out.

I am a bit surprised that they went with this show as the first of 2021 Subscription Plan though despite the high ratings it gets from those that attended.

I am looking forward to a re-listen since it has been awhile for me on this one...

Have a Grateful Day all! :-)

user picture

Member for

14 years 8 months
Permalink

I subscribed as I do every year (except the 1st ... got Dave's 1, 2, 3 off eBay over the years ... still need Dave's 4, the other William and Mary). 4 15 78 is probably a great show ... but, this is the 3rd Dave's from April 78 ... this is a short show ... honestly, I felt deflated when Dave announced this show. When we have historic gems like 5 26 73 still unreleased, and the last two Dave's are from the 1980's, a short 1978 show just doesn't strike me as First Release of the Year worthy. Now if the second release in 2021 is also uninspired (like say Dave's 22, 12 7 71), and Picks 3 and 4 of 2021 don't yield something like 5 26 73, then it's shaping up to be something of a down year for Dave's Picks. If Dave's 38 is at the level of 6 23 74 and bonus, then it's all good ... but if not, :-(
Imho ✌

user picture

Member for

13 years

In reply to by wilfredtjones

Permalink

I sure do hope they save this one to get the complete show treatment. Just my preference, but I always really liked this show.

Yea, April 78 is well represented in the Dave's Picks series, but so is 77. I have listened to this show before, but not for a while. I also expect they will do magic on the sound quality. An odd choice perhaps but I will keep an open mind. I am reserving a healthy dose of optimism for 2021 in general.

Hope everyone has a great weekend.. I haven't ponied up yet for the subscription, I am certain to get to it before the early bird pricing expires..

user picture

Member for

13 years 8 months
Permalink

I’ll throw out a guess...
The entire second set of Pittsburgh - 4/18/78
Would fit perfectly- no duplication of songs - under the radar show - amazing performance...
Here’s to hoping...

user picture

Member for

9 years 10 months
Permalink

I was definitely expecting something from the Kill Zone 1969-1974. At this point in time, I am glad it's not another 77 show. There Isn't much left in 77 I'm interested in right now except those March and December Winterland shows.

While it is the 3rd April 78 show, there are some things is a bright side:

* The 3 set lists offer a lot of varier, so that's a plus in my book

* It's been 6 years since the last one came out

* April was a strong month in terms of tightness from night to night. They hadn't quite turned that corner of unpredictableness.

* Dave contends the set list comes off strong.

On the downside I have no interest in the long Rhythm Devils, especially in short show.

KJOHNDUFF1: I like the direction of this discussion on DaP V37 bonus material. 4/18 set 2 would be cool. It is on Dave's radar as he's played quite a bit of it on the Taper's Section. I also like the idea of a complete Set 2 on 1 disc, and you're right that set is like 82 minutes.

Nice!

Also I agree with Jim I'd like to see 4/16/78 get the full meal deal treatment.
I'm pretty sure Dave wouldn't break up that lil beauty now would you Dave?

April 78 is a strong month.

Cool thing about this announcement, got me wanting to hear '78, doesn't always happen. Dusted off 2/4/78, hot show! I love Jerry's voice in '78. It seems like the laryngitis in January forever changed his timbre. And the rest of '78 has a real unique quality.

Good Stuff, getting excited for the Capitol Theatre '71 & Hartford '87.

Now, what should I listen to in the meantime. Hmmm...

user picture

Member for

13 years 8 months
Permalink

The Good Ole....
I’m with you and Jim - I can’t see them chopping that show up for bonus material. That’s one of the tent-pole shows for that tour and would make a perfect full-treatment DaP release on it’s own someday. Whatever is is, I can’t wait to find out!

user picture

Member for

4 years 6 months
Permalink

I bought two subscriptions, one for me and one for my brother. It seemed easier than the alacarte option. Hopefully, we will get two full shows from 1969 for the 2nd release.

user picture

Member for

10 years 4 months
Permalink

I'll bet that 4-15-78 is a returned Betty Board and will be credited to ABCD Enterprises, the guys who arranged the return of the boards to the vault. We've had quite a slew of them in recent years and, after DaP 35 and 36, Dave is returning to the release of ABCD material either due to an agreement with the guys behind ABCD or simply because the returned boards are so numerous he can keep putting them out while holding back on the rare '68s, '69s, '70s etc.

Just an observation, not a complaint. But after two mid-80s releases, there's a lot of PRESSURE on DaP 38 -- that's gotta be a long '73 show or a couple of fall '72s, no?

Meanwhile, I return to my fantasy that the 2021 box will be 5-6 shows from fall '72 and that Wake of the Flood will get the 50th treatment "early." BUT that'll be tricky, as even two discs won't be adequate for a '73 bonus show. So, hopefully, that'd be a four-disc set. Say, pack it with the original record and outtakes and a 3-CD show.

Dreamin' is groovy, especially under the viral circumstances.........

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

6 years 8 months
Permalink

Was expecting the typical '73-74 or '77, so I'm pleasantly surprised with '78 as first pick of 2021. That said, I'm with KEITHFAN, I don't love these long '78 Rhythm Devils. (And I'm a huge fan of Drums/Space from the Brent-era and beyond- '93-95 being my favorite.) Also, yeah, we haven't gotten a '78 pick for a while: Vols. 23, 15, 7.

Maybe we get some filler from 4/14, another returned Betty, from the night prior. Or 4/16? Had that Huntington Civic show on tape back in the day and agree it would be sweet for full release. Did he say the filler was from '78?

user picture

Member for

13 years 1 month
Permalink

I try to keep things positive, but I am also kinda bummed at this pick. I find that I just don't really love April of 78, (or a lot of 78 in general,) and both Nashville and Normal are towards the bottom of my Dave's collection - Normal perhaps my least favorite show released in the series so far.

I hope a lot of heads are happy with this selection, and I am of course looking forward to it - but... c'mon Fall of 72! And, can we PLEASE get a dope Shakedown Street already?! I feel like I started ringing that bell four years ago, and still nary a one? Even after back to back 80s releases!

Apologies for the rant. Of course I subscribed. Even though I don't love April of 78, I love it more than 90% of all other music.

Peace

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

6 years 8 months
Permalink

Just noticed this, here's the top ten "Favorite Tapes" of 1978:

7/8 (87)
12/31 (81)
7/7 (42)
1/22 (37)
10/21 (31)
10/22 (31)
11/24 (30)
4/15 (21)
4/8 (15)
9/16 (14)

It’s been speculated many times before on these boards that there is a stipulation in the agreement with ABCD that the shows have to all be released within a set amount of time.
I’m fully supportive of that. Keep them coming Dave.

My list says that I have a Miller copy of 4-15-78 on a HD, but I don’t know if I’ve ever listened to it.
Had 4-16-78 on cassette and played it many times.

I think Dave said filler from 78.
He also mentioned a Box.

user picture

Member for

9 years 10 months
Permalink

just put on Music Never Stopped from the Normal show - will change your life.

user picture

Member for

17 years
Permalink

I lovebthe '84 pick. Haven't received the '87 pick yet and will undoubtedly get a lot of play out of it.

78 for the first of 2021 is fine with me. Glad to see a change up.

RFK 73 would be sweet for 38. I actually liked all of the 71 Picks.

What we need for the later half of 2021 is 4/1/91 or 9/26/91 or anything from that December 90 Tempe/Denver run. Eugene 93 were great. Deer Creek 92 and 93. I could go on...

Glad to see the variety in this series finally so my disappointments are almost nonexistent now.

user picture

Member for

13 years

In reply to by hendrixfreak

Permalink

I am not sure I see the point of specifying the release density of the ABCD returned reels over time. Not to be contrary, but it just doesn't make sense. It's in Dead Merch/Rhino's interest to control when things get released compared to the non-ABCD's that are in the vault. It's in the other parties interest to get paid in one lump sum and not base payment on some unknown variable (like sales at a future date, etc.). I just couldn't see this being in either parties best interest. Plus it makes the deal more complex.

Then again, all this is pure speculation. Just a different perspective, regardless of the facts I am so glad the tapes made their way home. Have a great weekend.. as you were.

"I'm Finally Going To Make A Correct Prediction: Dave's Picks 38 will be RFK 6/10/73."

Seems like this show is overdue and after two '80s shows and a spring '78, ya gotta figure Dave's gonna throw us something truly vintage.

I read that the PTB had indeed mixed a small box of GD and ABB from the (2) RFK shows, plus Watkins Glen -- just selections of the hottest stuff. That project got shelved, but I never learned why.

And you may recall that I attended 6-9-73 in fine fashion and had to walk away from 6-10-73 because a) we were 15 years old and shouldn't have been loose on the town hundreds of miles from home with blotter and opium, b) we had zero money, food or water, c) we were supposed to be in school the next day, and, of course d) we were idiots.

I'll never that one down. So, um, DAVE??? Can you help us out???

Edit: JimInMD, my "thinking" is that ABCD simply got their cash costs covered in one fell swoop, and that they don't get royalties. Dave doesn't have to commit to ABCD releases. It's just that he has ~100 shows from the returned ABCD tapes to play with and they're primarily from 1971 to 1978, thus providing Dave with a shit ton to leaven the more esoteric/rare shows as he goes forward on his mad plan to keep this going until I need a walker. That was my thought... but we're too far along in this weird year for me to be confident that I'm making any sense.

Is in a Box containing 6-9,10 and 7-27,28 ABB and GD shows.
Not a limited release, online and in store sales.
ABB fans will buy it whether they like GD or not, which will drive more sales and all parties will make money.
And we come out the winners.

Plus, that means that DaP 38 with bonus can be a Pigpen release.

user picture

Member for

10 years 10 months

In reply to by icecrmcnkd

Permalink

4-12....Cameron Indoor Stadium~Duke University?
I'd be plenty torn between the joy of a Normanized Duke, and the horror of it being a chop job.

Stay safe out there folks...

At this point.. this might just be the holy grail of what's left. I can't see it becoming a Dave's Picks either, but I like the way you think, KF.

12/18/73 might be a better tent pole for a DaP subscription year. I bet there is at least one show per release year of this quality, give or take no more and no less. It would be interesting to look at what's remaining this way.. Call shows of this caliber A+ shows and estimate 15 more years or so.. I would put the 77 Swing, 1/2/70, 1/22/78, Richmond '77, Winterland 74, etc. in this category. Toss in an A or an A- each year and spread in the best of what's left and that's probably what the next decade and a half are going to look like.

By the time we receive the last Dave's Picks I expect to be receiving my last morphine drip in hospice care.

Right there with you, JRF.. avoid the chop job. I think there is black and white video of the Duke 78 show, and it's quite good. The more I think about it the more Spring 78 makes sense for the first pick next season.

product sku
081227891671
Product Magento URL
https://store.dead.net/music/dave-s-picks/dave-s-picks-2021-subscription.html