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June 11, 2009 - 9:46am

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marye

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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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August 16, 2009 - 1:17pm

#1151

noonie

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July 31, 2007

my thoughts......

the whole shn /flac /mps things it just a matter of personal taste...some people care some don't..personally i am in to shn/flac just saves of space, time copying, and it sounds better but that is my opion....we are are all here as a community to share the music of the grateful dead......the one thing i think all of us needs to remember is, its not our music we did not createt it we do not own it as a personal possesion, but we do looooove it and cherish it . The grateful dead where nice enough to allowing tapeing and tradeing. Lets just all sit back and enjoy this precious gift we have been given....i remember listening to tapes all warped left in the sun, some one spilling bong water on them, and just dancing my ass off and just digin every fuck up sound coming from my speakers. so i remember we had this one tape that cut out right in the middle of drums blank for about 1 1/2 so we decide that was when the audiance was suppose to play and we would drum on anything around us...fun times .anywhooo...thats my opion let you life proceed by its own design fare the well now
August 15, 2009 - 8:23pm

#1152

Ursa Minor

Joined:
July 19, 2007

mp3 format converted to flac?

WHOA HOLD UP... this is a big no no...mp3 could be traded or vined...but that needs to be listed as such...not only did the Grateful Dead standardize the quality of many things in popular music...so did the taping community...frankly, mp3 is what it is...a super compressed digital format...I mean really digital is bad enough for frequency range, so for somebody to actually seed something that was MP3 and encode it to flac...that's really , really lame...and if done on purpose is tantamountly lame... This really should not happen whatsoever, I did see a "best of summer" DVD as a add on from a vine as MP3 , and that was OK, but I passed...as I don't really need to listen to that format and if I do : I will convert whatever music as I see fit... It really comes down to quality...I KNOW MP3 is convienent but as a standard of quality it really pales in comparison to .wav files or lossless files converted to .wav aka "standard red book CD format quality" - now some 24 bit at 96 kHz stuff might be interesting to seed later....but this would be played through a DVD player to handle such encodement... MP3 SEEDS AS FLAC IS WAY WAY LAME - KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN SEEDING - PLEASE FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE.... Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
August 15, 2009 - 8:08am

#1153

johnman

Joined:
December 26, 2007

oh my

i don't understand a word of the computerspeak goin' on here, but i wanna say thanx to all who have sent my son and i shows on cd. i have hours of audio on video tape cuz it was a convenient way to record stuff off the radio, either fm broadcasts, or gd hour marathons. someday when my brain is not so mushy (ha!, like that's ever gonna happen!) i can solicit help in transferring the info to a more modern listening format but it's like trying to learn a new language with a knot yanked in yer tongue!
August 15, 2009 - 7:05am

#1154

JackstrawfromC…

Joined:
January 2, 2009

Rockbox ehh?

Thanks for the info CB! Man that would be perfect! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
August 15, 2009 - 7:00am

#1155

cosmicbadger

Joined:
June 13, 2007

..and also

1. flac files can of course easily be converted to WAV and burnt to CDs. That is what I do for the car stereo and for favourite shows 2. The Cowon iaudio series of portable players can play FLACs (and WAVs but not SHNs) directly. www dot cowonglobal dot com If you are buying a new player it may be worth considering. Greg MacFarlane has one. 3. It is now possible to convert many MP3 players to play FLACs and SHNs (as well as MP3s) by installing a cool and free programme called Rockbox. www dot rockbox dot org I converted my ipod to Rockbox just by following the instructions and can now load and play flacs and shns directly for mobile lossless listening pleasure without having to convert to MP3. Of course they take up a lot more disc space hth CB
August 15, 2009 - 6:54am

#1156

UncleJon

Joined:
June 26, 2007

Footnote...

I agree with Cosmic, any shows that are sourced from Lossless Legs are not MP3's converted back to a lossless format. The folks there would never permit this to happen - the hard core traders run a spectrum analysis on the music and if it were Lossy data they would yank that torrent right down. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
August 15, 2009 - 6:10am

#1157

Oroboros

Joined:
June 4, 2007

Just to jump in,

I echo the sentiment of cosmic badger and offer thanks to all who share this wonderful music so well in this forum (and thanks to marye for her kind assistance). That said, I also state that I am not big into the flac offerings. My computer is not hooked up to my stereo in any fashion and when I want to listen, I pop one the grate shows I got from the vineyard into my stereo and crank it. I am not a big 'headphones' kind of guy (unless it is late night listening, out of consideration for my wife.) I do see the value of the flac and even loading the shows into the computers 'hard drive' for storage. Forgive me, like some of my other cohorts (dwindling numbers as we speak), I appreciate and will continue to sign up for the CDs, as they are most conveient for my uses (in my recent trip to Minn we listened to the vineyards aural treasures for 10 hours). Maybe in the future I will take up some of the offers to send 'hard drives' to have years of GD or JGB 'loaded' onto them. Where I sit right now is being thankful to all who share, grateful that I was able to share, and just got to smile, smile, smile, when I think of what trading and sharing consisted of in the old daze. We got it good people. Let's maintain the positive vibe and continue to spead the joy. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
August 15, 2009 - 5:03am

#1158

cosmicbadger

Joined:
June 13, 2007

1. IMHO everyone who takes

1. IMHO everyone who takes the trouble to assemble some shows and share them on the vines is a superstar (whatever the content, quantity or name of the vines). Establishing hierarchies, competing and bitching are unnecessary and undermine the integrity of this place. Why do it? 2. It all boils down to this. Trade losslessly and do not insert MP3 generations. WAV, FLAC and SHN are lossless formats. FLAC is the most convenient and the most popular because the data files are smaller and easy to copy and convert to anything else. It takes 30 minutes to learn how to deal with FLACs 3. The shows traded losslessly on LL were not downloaded from Archive as MP3s. If there was an MP3 generation in those files it would be shown in the provenance of the show. Before the clamp down on Grateful Dead SBDs all those shows were uploaded (and downloadable) as FLAC or SHN files by a wonderful community of people wishing to share and archive everything in perpetual lossless format. In fact the auds on archive still are downloadable in Lossless formats but only on a file by file basis; just scroll down the page and you will see that you have a choice of formats. It was once like this for the SBDs too. If you want the FLACs you can save yourself a lot of time and trouble by using the ‘Down’ em all’ plug in for Firefox, which will grab all the files for you in one go. Have a nice weekend CB
August 15, 2009 - 4:17am

#1159

stuman

Joined:
November 21, 2007

JGB 74 and all of 77

Hell yea I`m stoked for that too !! and a 68 vine , oh yea that too I can`t wait for !! Back to mp3/shn/flac for a momemt , all I know is that shn/flac does in fact sound better to me as of my recent discovery of Foobar 2000 . But I guise it also depends on the systme you are using to play said music . I don`t know too much about WAV formats . But I do know that there are people seeding shn/flac on shn/flac.net that have been dowed from arcives.org , wich we know that is all mp3 format .. to my ears shn/flac does sound better to me then mp3 and with the correct equipment it can be played on my car radio . And I`m quite sure that some vines that where seeded here have been in mp3 format at one time or another . now that I think of it I`m sure I seeded shn/flac vies that where mp3 at one time and not even realize it at the time , but i do keep a better eye out for the mp3 to shn/flac when i down anything from shn/flac.net or any other site . Man this can all get way to confusing for me so I think I`ll exit this conversation . Way too many different formats !! I agree with Unclejon lets just enjoy the music as it is ( was ) intended to be .. Hope you all have a Grate weekend !! Peace .. Stu ..
August 14, 2009 - 10:29pm

#1160

fluffhead042

Joined:
April 6, 2008

Stoked...

for JGB '74...and can't wait for ALL of 1979 (all good things in all good time). "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

takin a break

I am still around but I'm gonna sit back and relax a little, maybe sign up for a vine here or two. I have more stuff than I know what to do with. :-) Been busy on other projects. I'll be checkin in a few days a week.

Video help

got this shn/flac business down pat.. haha need some pointers on making better copies of videos Nero? thanks to all my good friends here!!!

New Vindex

just posted. Sorry it took so long!

Taking a break

Thanks cosmicbadger for all that work!

Farewell my friends

Once I mail out Red Rocks 83 and Soldier Field 1995 that will be it for me for awhile. Kinda weird I'm leaving the vineyard seeding the last Grateful Dead show. However, there will be a few more vines coming out that I would have a part in but I will not be seeding. It is with great regret that I am removing myself from the vines I have just signed on. In addition. if there are any vines that I am on that get restarted, you can skip over my name or put me on the bottom of the list. I will be on an extended hiatus from the vineyard. Much thanks goes to Ltapilot, JackstrawfromColorado, stuman, and dstache to name a few of the actives here who have really done something amazing here. This is a great community with great ppl and great music. I'll check in once in awhile so I hope to see you guys around but until then, listen to the music play.

well

don't forget to come back after that hiatus! take care!

Peace Jake

Thanks for guiding me in the right direction here at the Vineyard. Hope to see you back soon

JakeR

Drop on in and say hi every now and then.This place can be one more shining facet in a full and joyful life. Thanks for all you have done to keep the music going out to the community. We are all on the bus, just at different stations. Peace Rick Reach out your hand if your cup be empty If your cup is full may it be again

Peace, Jake!

Take care and be well. Thanks for all your great work here in the vineyard. It is much appreciated! Joe

Thanks Jake

Don't disappear for good! I have found it harder and harder to make it on here myself. I am hoping to spread another vine or 2 before I ride off into the sun set. =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Shipping to Canada

Apparently any postage going to Canada is on hold since the post office is on strike. I guess this goes for outgoing mail as well. So the Furthur Fest 2010, Warfield 1980, and Garcia and Saunders 73 are stuck in the Terrapin State for a little while longer. Sorry for the delay.

stuck in the Terrapin State?

probably better than stuck in Lodi.... :D

lazy

I am burned out...but I am still here and check in once a day. I have accumulated so much "stuff" here thanks to everyone. From an organizational standpoint, I am completely disorganized and need to take a time out and burn some of this flac stuff to CDRs to listen to. I am still here, not just signing up for a lot of vines.

EDAD

Hope you're having a grateful summer brother! Keep those flacs a burnin! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Head's up folks

The government has stepped in and ordered Canada Post to get back to work. I have received mail this week. If any vines are in the mail, there might be delays. But I will be prompt in turning them around. Sorry guys.

Thanks Jake.

Thanks for taking the time to help me get started on here. Take care and I plan on being here for awhile, so cya when you get back!

Hey Everyone!!

Just a heads up. I was camping over the long weekend and got back earlier today, just to rush off to work. I had a couple pkgs in my mail I surmise to be vines. I will rip them tonight and do proper turnarounds tomorrow. I have the tivoli video ready to go to Zep and also a pkg ready for Decola. Thanks for your patience guys. Also, I extracted the Tivoli files, burned a DVD and included it in with the original files, so someone can now just copy DVD if they choose. Anyways, I'll make proper posts when things are in motion tomorrow. Thanks all!! Big ups to to the seeders of all these new vines!! Excited and appreciated

takeing a break...

Hey everyone i will be taking a break for awhile just getting busy around here and i am using any free time towards learning to tape shows... so maybe i can seed some next year...so long for now and THANKS to all who have expanded my collection of shows....hugs to all

Stay in touch Aaron

Are you gonna send out the vines you're sitting on like nov 72 and 3 from 75 before you hiatus? Good luck with taping. Bless the tapers!!

Also...

Unless someone didn't post, noonie has parts 2 and 3 of the 1969 vine as well. I hope these get sent out before the self imposed hiatus as I have sent at least a few PM's checking on status of the 2 vines I follow him.

Hey guys

Canada has been receiving postage (as Poncho said) and I just sent mine off to him today.Furthur Fest 2010, Warfield 1980, and Garcia and Saunders are enroute to the Great White North today.

Also

I know maustin has been on and off here as of late. He used to be a good viner and I remember months back weird things happened here in the vineyard. Birdsong had some issues come up and some vines were lost on him (if I remember correctly) which is very out of character for him. LIG71 showed up, signed up and disappeared again. Smileydave was put in the hospital and his nephew came onto post to let us know of it (I hope Dave is doing alright. Anyone heard from him?). Longrifle has a couple vines stuck on him and I know Canada had some postal issues but still let us know if you have any or passed them on. maustin started a couple of vines and then something happened with him too and now, as ADAWGWYO posted he posts once in while but no response to any pm's. I've sent him a couple and I've offered to send him his own copies of vines he has signed on so he won't hold them up and he has taken the offer for the 1972 vines I reseeded/started (with a little help from my friends) months ago now. He has responded semi-recentrly saying he is doing better but he doesn't say anything about the vines he has/will be receiving so idk whats up. All I can say is we had a similar issue before with vines being sent and no update as to of where there were sent to or whether they were received. So please for any vine pm the next in line (unless you know for sure they are active which I think we are down to around 10 ppl now) and the older vines that get reseeded pm anyone after you, whether or not they are active cause if enough time passes, some of us aquire copies through other means. Sorry for the long winded rant but I and other long time vineyard users have seen the same thing. This wasn't meant to blast anybody just provide a heads up of some ppl who may need to be dropped down on the list until they are ready to receive the vine.

Hey Jake. Are you still

Hey Jake. Are you still going to leave for awhile? This summer I am swamped. I have been on other projects. I have been looking for bigfoot, doing a bunch of firearms youtube videos, and just all-around staying busy. But I am still here on the sideline.

EDAD

I am still taking a break. I just have very lil free time now and tryin to smooth some things out before i go. Have a good summer everyone

I have to agree with Jake

But it is a hard message to get out to everyone so we'll always have these issues. Anyways ... hope everyone is having a grateful summer... =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Hey all

I will be out of town tomorrow through Sunday. I have 2-3 vines right now and should have the two more from ADAWGWYO by the time I get back that I will need to send out. I will get all of those copied and out very quickly when I return and if I have time I will get them out tomorrow before I leave. Anyway, just wanted to let you know you won't be hearing from me for about 5 days. Everyone have a great rest of the week and weekend!

Wow

I got an e-mail from deadnet about gathering of the vibes and somehow I clicked or did something, and I ended up at the Further page. I can't remember. Holy crap. I saw they are playing here, about 3 miles away next week so I just got a ticket for the lawn--not too expensive :-) . I have not followed Further, although I got some of their shows, so this was a huge shock. Glad I looked. Almost missed the bus.

well

there you go! have fun!!

and hey

take a few pictures and post 'em!

EDAD

Dude what the heck you waiting for?? =) Get your butt on that Furthur bus man!! I bet you will be pleasently surprised. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

1977

There is a relatively new upgrade to 10/14/77, sbd.miller.110419, that I would very much like, if anyone has it. Also, the 77 megavine did not include 10/15/77. The best version looks like sbd.cotsman.19154 if anyone has that. My WAV copy isn't right; maybe it is the other version. PM me if you want to trade. Thanks!

Lots of strange things going

Lots of strange things going on with this web-site...can't log on, avatar gone, can't upload photos....can't send PMs.....etc I guess the folks at deadnet are doing upgrads or something

yeah

this too will pass, but it's happening for me too, if that's any consolation!

Weird!

> Lots of strange things going on with this web-site...can't log on, avatar gone, can't > upload photos....can't send PMs.....etc Wow, what a relief. I thought it was just me. I can't log OUT, and I don't think I'm receiving all my PM's. Everyone's avatar is gone. Can't see any new posts in the Vineyard since the NY Eurotour a couple days ago. Hope I'm not holding anyone up. Peace, Chris

Hey everyone!!

Whewww. Glad that's over. Well, I have some vines and I need to send some out and update. I put everything on hold until things got back on-line. Hope all is well and I'll get everything updated tonight when I get home from work. Peace

changes

avatars gone....and I am now getting "thread subscription" sent to my e-mail. :-(

no harm no foul

Ok. You can unsubscribe from the e-mail notitifications.... :-) I get "notified" from so many list I am on; I just don't need to be "notified" about posts here....however it may come in handy monitoring a vine..

Turn off the e-mail subscriptions

Is there a way to turn off, or prevent, the new "improved" e-mail notifications? The "Unsubscribe" feature rarely works and usually results in an error message. Please advise! Best Wishes-Jimmy

The "Upgrade"

Or whatever they did really screwed this site up. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"

sick cuz

my first thought was, "they're doing a dry run for how they're going to handle the end of Aug. going into the E72 shipment." :-) :-) ;-)...... they better not!

UNSUBSCRIBE!!

Please fix the UNSUBSCRIBE feature in the "New, Improved, Annoying!" e-mail feature!! I really don't need my inbox clogged with every comment made on certain vines!! Best Wishes-Jimmy

we think

we have stopped the onslaught on this. Sorry for the trouble.

this is odd ,,,

As I click on any forum topic or vine it opens in a new window ? It's never done this before,, could it be my phone ? Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!

I just posted this...

in the Some Missing Pieces of 1972 Vine thread but I'll post it here as well. There is a new aud tape of 6/17 that came to light in July of this year which is a vast improvement to the circulating copy and the COMPLETE show. The taper has sent it to Charlie Miller so he can work his magic on it. In the meantime check out the new aud here:http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-06-17.GratefulDead1972-06-17

6/17/72

Would love to see it vined when Charlie releases it. Thanks!

I've noticed

that copies of the 6-7-2011 Experiments at Talampais Research Institute are starting to circulate. The copy I have is ripped from a dvr, sounds good though.

My apologies

Hey all I have been a little behind the past month and haven't been quick to turn around some vines. I know I have the Clapton and bicentennial vines to go out tomorrow. Other than that I have about 20 vines that I believe no one has signed up for after me, so if I have one that you are waiting on please let me know. thanks and I appreciate everything everyone does on here!

update

Hi everyone !! well after a year of being out on this big road i finally was able to get a brand new laptop ,, whoo hoo for me .. now im getting back up to where i was,, using my phone for a wifi hot spot im back to downloading and can get on dead.net more often,, hmm i think i smell a new vine from me in the near future .. bty im still out here on the road but whatever vines i sing up for will be handled just the same as they used to be..hope all is well on the east coast ,, take care folks !! Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!

Hey

Hey Stu. Stay safe and keep truckin

Anyone else...

...not finding the most recent vinedex that Cosmic Badger did back in June?? His post is there, with nothing under it!?!?