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June 11, 2009 - 9:46am

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marye

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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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July 28, 2009 - 2:42am

#1211

stuman

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November 21, 2007

don`t feel bad man

You explained your intent from the very start of your shn/flac vine series .crap it saves a TON of money on postage ! I had to step away from the NNWL vine because someone converted it , Luckily our freind Andy sent me the dvd`s for that one . And I have been walked through Traders little helper and I have walked others through it too . And I am more then happy to help even more understand it and how it works . Just shoot me a PM I`m more then happy to help anyone ..
July 27, 2009 - 6:24pm

#1212

marye

Joined:
May 26, 2007

I think...

the Grateful Dead has never been a one-size-fits-all experience, and neither is the Vineyard!
July 27, 2009 - 2:45pm

#1213

dstache

Joined:
September 10, 2007

WAV folks

I feel a little bad now. As everyone probably knows, I am not trying to exclude anyone. I guess that sometimes once you finally give in and do something, you get to thinking that everyone else has already done it. So when I finally decided to start doing lossless, I figured everyone else did it (or could do it). If you don't have a DVD reader, you can't do it, and if you don't have a burner (a la Hippy) it makes it difficult as you have to burn onto CDs, which hold a lot less. But if you do have a DVD burner, let me tell all you luddites (technophobes) it is SO EASY. People use different software, but I highly recommend Trader's Little Helper. One download. Free. All you need. I don't even have an IPod. I don't have a flat screen. I have a mini stereo system (which ONE DAY will be massively upgraded). I am not into technology. And I did it. Many of the 73 shows I have in my lossless vines have already been vined, either by me in my early Cream Filling vine (11/14, 11/17, 11/20), by Bob in his 73 Eurovine (4 Sept shows), or by others (3/28, 3/31, 5/26). But I am willing to start a few WAV vines containing 3 shows each. WAVers should post here the shows they want vined and I will do that. As for 1977, I am going to let someone else do that. Again, much of 1977 has been vined in WAV (Stache Rides 77, most of the May shows, Winterland 77, Fall 77 Parts 1 and 2). I do feel the need to tell you that from MY EXPERIENCE, it will behoove you to make the switch. I wish I had converted to lossless earlier as I am now slowly trying to replace the WAV shows that I have. The number of people who trade WAV is rapidly shrinking, just as cassette traders have in the past. If you just want to have a small collection, WAV is probably fine. If you want a lot of shows, you definitely should do lossless.
July 27, 2009 - 1:11pm

#1214

stuman

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November 21, 2007

I`m with dstache & JackstrawfromCo...

I have no interest for much of anything in wav format , however i will be adding to a vine here soon that will be in wav format . I don`t have a dvd burner at this time . But yes if someone wants to convert from a large dvd vine , and make a seprate vine out of it thats cool . Maybe just use part of the name of the dvd vine in the name of the wav vine . like 3-18-xx wav from shn/flac #x or something like that . that might help clear some confusion on the folks signing up for the same shows twice thing . I dunno , just a thought .. But yes we can`t exclude the flacless folks here . I beleive dstache has mentioned that once before ..
July 27, 2009 - 1:01pm

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JackstrawfromC…

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January 2, 2009

dstache

I was going to wait a bit for the smoke to clear from the last new vine installments but am ready to start a May 1981 sbd vine here really soon. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
July 27, 2009 - 12:56pm

#1216

JackstrawfromC…

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January 2, 2009

Marye - That's a tough one

I have noticed that the larger vines usually contain shows that have already been vined as smaller versions. The only problem with that I see is that you end up signing up for and receiving the smaller vines without realizing that you already have or will have it from the larger vine - so it's kind of a waste in that sense - waste of postage, time etc. That's why I have created my own spreadsheet to keep track of all the shows I have to avoid repeats. I personally enjoy and look for flac/shn vines. I don't really care how big they are as long as it is flac. But for the folks without flac capabilty (and really it is the folks without DVD-roms because it is so simple to convert flacs, that should not be the problem, it's not being able to read the DVD's that's the problem), I understand that they should be able to enjoy these vines too. So I think the only way around that is like Marye suggests (and dstache has mentioned this too) for someone to take the flacs and convert them into smaller (separate) audio CD vines. Problems I see: 1.How would we know someone wants a particular show converted to wav? How would we know to start a new, separate wav vine? Which shows do you convert? 2. You could have a bunch of small vines come off of one large vine - that seems like it could get chaotic, like someone would need to manage that.. 3. There's really no feasible way to convert an entire flac vine into wavs - going from a couple of DVDs to a stack of CDs, that would be an insurmountable amount of work and postage. If I could find a full time job that would pay me to do that ... hmmmm :-) "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
July 27, 2009 - 12:50pm

#1217

dstache

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September 10, 2007

excerpting

I am all for someone taking a vine, selecting the best shows, converting them to WAV, and vining them. I have asked that my recent vines be lossless ONLY so that the vines will be less cumbersome and expensive to post. But by all means, please convert these vines to WAV and start a NEW vine. If someone does SHN/FLAC, but can't handle a 4 disc vine, I suggest PMing someone who did sign up and offering to trade. I have lost interest in WAV trading but I am always up for lossless trading. I am especially looking for Fall 79, early 80's and Brent 1990 shows.
July 27, 2009 - 11:50am

#1218

marye

Joined:
May 26, 2007

alternative versions

Folks, I'm sure I speak for all of us in giving amazed thanks to dstache and his merry crew for the lossless mega-vines they're putting together. Community, collaboration, and love for the music at its best. Way to go! Some folks have privately expressed concern that these huge vines will stifle the growth of smaller ones and we'll lose folks who aren't set up to handle the big ones--maybe they can only handle CDs, maybe they only want a show or two, and the shows will only be available in the huge collections. I'm not telling anybody what to do here, but it seems to me the fix for that is fairly obvious--someone gets the big vine, excerpts it, and vines that. I'm pretty sure no one here is interested in keeping fellow Vineyard folks from vining in the format of their choice. I mention the issue because it's come up once or twice in the background lately. What you guys want to do about it is up to you! Thanks! ME
July 27, 2009 - 6:53am

#1219

Birdsong1969NJ

Joined:
July 7, 2008

I will be away.

After checking, I do not believe I am up soon on any vines. I will be out of town 7/31-8/15 and 8/22-8/30. If I lag (more so then usual!) that is why. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
July 26, 2009 - 6:06am

#1220

JackstrawfromC…

Joined:
January 2, 2009

Vine status

I looked over my list (this is the smallest its been in months - 26!) and came across vines that are totally dead, trust me, and need to be re-seeded in order for them to continue: 1) 3 from 82 and a 78 too (dead only 3 into the list, sad) I did pm gdhead77 about a re-seed 2) Augusta 10/12/84 3) Buffalo Springfield 4) Santa Fe 83 Then the ones held up by gratefulmikes: 1) Summer 82 2) Greek 84 3) Jimi HendriXmas I spoke with him about a month ago and he was back from being on the road and was going to send out the pile of vines in his possession. Now its a month later and still no movement/communication. Come on gratefulmikes help us out bro! This is just the ones on my list. The overall list is ridiculous. I think dstache has one but I'd also like to consider non-Grateful Dead vines too. Can anybody help re-seed the first 4 on my list?? Please, I'd really appreciate it! I'm always willing to re-seed any lost vines, I just don't have a copy of these yet :( Thanks for your help!! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

takin a break

I am still around but I'm gonna sit back and relax a little, maybe sign up for a vine here or two. I have more stuff than I know what to do with. :-) Been busy on other projects. I'll be checkin in a few days a week.

Video help

got this shn/flac business down pat.. haha need some pointers on making better copies of videos Nero? thanks to all my good friends here!!!

New Vindex

just posted. Sorry it took so long!

Taking a break

Thanks cosmicbadger for all that work!

Farewell my friends

Once I mail out Red Rocks 83 and Soldier Field 1995 that will be it for me for awhile. Kinda weird I'm leaving the vineyard seeding the last Grateful Dead show. However, there will be a few more vines coming out that I would have a part in but I will not be seeding. It is with great regret that I am removing myself from the vines I have just signed on. In addition. if there are any vines that I am on that get restarted, you can skip over my name or put me on the bottom of the list. I will be on an extended hiatus from the vineyard. Much thanks goes to Ltapilot, JackstrawfromColorado, stuman, and dstache to name a few of the actives here who have really done something amazing here. This is a great community with great ppl and great music. I'll check in once in awhile so I hope to see you guys around but until then, listen to the music play.

well

don't forget to come back after that hiatus! take care!

Peace Jake

Thanks for guiding me in the right direction here at the Vineyard. Hope to see you back soon

JakeR

Drop on in and say hi every now and then.This place can be one more shining facet in a full and joyful life. Thanks for all you have done to keep the music going out to the community. We are all on the bus, just at different stations. Peace Rick Reach out your hand if your cup be empty If your cup is full may it be again

Peace, Jake!

Take care and be well. Thanks for all your great work here in the vineyard. It is much appreciated! Joe

Thanks Jake

Don't disappear for good! I have found it harder and harder to make it on here myself. I am hoping to spread another vine or 2 before I ride off into the sun set. =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Shipping to Canada

Apparently any postage going to Canada is on hold since the post office is on strike. I guess this goes for outgoing mail as well. So the Furthur Fest 2010, Warfield 1980, and Garcia and Saunders 73 are stuck in the Terrapin State for a little while longer. Sorry for the delay.

stuck in the Terrapin State?

probably better than stuck in Lodi.... :D

lazy

I am burned out...but I am still here and check in once a day. I have accumulated so much "stuff" here thanks to everyone. From an organizational standpoint, I am completely disorganized and need to take a time out and burn some of this flac stuff to CDRs to listen to. I am still here, not just signing up for a lot of vines.

EDAD

Hope you're having a grateful summer brother! Keep those flacs a burnin! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Head's up folks

The government has stepped in and ordered Canada Post to get back to work. I have received mail this week. If any vines are in the mail, there might be delays. But I will be prompt in turning them around. Sorry guys.

Thanks Jake.

Thanks for taking the time to help me get started on here. Take care and I plan on being here for awhile, so cya when you get back!

Hey Everyone!!

Just a heads up. I was camping over the long weekend and got back earlier today, just to rush off to work. I had a couple pkgs in my mail I surmise to be vines. I will rip them tonight and do proper turnarounds tomorrow. I have the tivoli video ready to go to Zep and also a pkg ready for Decola. Thanks for your patience guys. Also, I extracted the Tivoli files, burned a DVD and included it in with the original files, so someone can now just copy DVD if they choose. Anyways, I'll make proper posts when things are in motion tomorrow. Thanks all!! Big ups to to the seeders of all these new vines!! Excited and appreciated

takeing a break...

Hey everyone i will be taking a break for awhile just getting busy around here and i am using any free time towards learning to tape shows... so maybe i can seed some next year...so long for now and THANKS to all who have expanded my collection of shows....hugs to all

Stay in touch Aaron

Are you gonna send out the vines you're sitting on like nov 72 and 3 from 75 before you hiatus? Good luck with taping. Bless the tapers!!

Also...

Unless someone didn't post, noonie has parts 2 and 3 of the 1969 vine as well. I hope these get sent out before the self imposed hiatus as I have sent at least a few PM's checking on status of the 2 vines I follow him.

Hey guys

Canada has been receiving postage (as Poncho said) and I just sent mine off to him today.Furthur Fest 2010, Warfield 1980, and Garcia and Saunders are enroute to the Great White North today.

Also

I know maustin has been on and off here as of late. He used to be a good viner and I remember months back weird things happened here in the vineyard. Birdsong had some issues come up and some vines were lost on him (if I remember correctly) which is very out of character for him. LIG71 showed up, signed up and disappeared again. Smileydave was put in the hospital and his nephew came onto post to let us know of it (I hope Dave is doing alright. Anyone heard from him?). Longrifle has a couple vines stuck on him and I know Canada had some postal issues but still let us know if you have any or passed them on. maustin started a couple of vines and then something happened with him too and now, as ADAWGWYO posted he posts once in while but no response to any pm's. I've sent him a couple and I've offered to send him his own copies of vines he has signed on so he won't hold them up and he has taken the offer for the 1972 vines I reseeded/started (with a little help from my friends) months ago now. He has responded semi-recentrly saying he is doing better but he doesn't say anything about the vines he has/will be receiving so idk whats up. All I can say is we had a similar issue before with vines being sent and no update as to of where there were sent to or whether they were received. So please for any vine pm the next in line (unless you know for sure they are active which I think we are down to around 10 ppl now) and the older vines that get reseeded pm anyone after you, whether or not they are active cause if enough time passes, some of us aquire copies through other means. Sorry for the long winded rant but I and other long time vineyard users have seen the same thing. This wasn't meant to blast anybody just provide a heads up of some ppl who may need to be dropped down on the list until they are ready to receive the vine.

Hey Jake. Are you still

Hey Jake. Are you still going to leave for awhile? This summer I am swamped. I have been on other projects. I have been looking for bigfoot, doing a bunch of firearms youtube videos, and just all-around staying busy. But I am still here on the sideline.

EDAD

I am still taking a break. I just have very lil free time now and tryin to smooth some things out before i go. Have a good summer everyone

I have to agree with Jake

But it is a hard message to get out to everyone so we'll always have these issues. Anyways ... hope everyone is having a grateful summer... =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

Hey all

I will be out of town tomorrow through Sunday. I have 2-3 vines right now and should have the two more from ADAWGWYO by the time I get back that I will need to send out. I will get all of those copied and out very quickly when I return and if I have time I will get them out tomorrow before I leave. Anyway, just wanted to let you know you won't be hearing from me for about 5 days. Everyone have a great rest of the week and weekend!

Wow

I got an e-mail from deadnet about gathering of the vibes and somehow I clicked or did something, and I ended up at the Further page. I can't remember. Holy crap. I saw they are playing here, about 3 miles away next week so I just got a ticket for the lawn--not too expensive :-) . I have not followed Further, although I got some of their shows, so this was a huge shock. Glad I looked. Almost missed the bus.

well

there you go! have fun!!

and hey

take a few pictures and post 'em!

EDAD

Dude what the heck you waiting for?? =) Get your butt on that Furthur bus man!! I bet you will be pleasently surprised. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"

1977

There is a relatively new upgrade to 10/14/77, sbd.miller.110419, that I would very much like, if anyone has it. Also, the 77 megavine did not include 10/15/77. The best version looks like sbd.cotsman.19154 if anyone has that. My WAV copy isn't right; maybe it is the other version. PM me if you want to trade. Thanks!

Lots of strange things going

Lots of strange things going on with this web-site...can't log on, avatar gone, can't upload photos....can't send PMs.....etc I guess the folks at deadnet are doing upgrads or something

yeah

this too will pass, but it's happening for me too, if that's any consolation!

Weird!

> Lots of strange things going on with this web-site...can't log on, avatar gone, can't > upload photos....can't send PMs.....etc Wow, what a relief. I thought it was just me. I can't log OUT, and I don't think I'm receiving all my PM's. Everyone's avatar is gone. Can't see any new posts in the Vineyard since the NY Eurotour a couple days ago. Hope I'm not holding anyone up. Peace, Chris

Hey everyone!!

Whewww. Glad that's over. Well, I have some vines and I need to send some out and update. I put everything on hold until things got back on-line. Hope all is well and I'll get everything updated tonight when I get home from work. Peace

changes

avatars gone....and I am now getting "thread subscription" sent to my e-mail. :-(

no harm no foul

Ok. You can unsubscribe from the e-mail notitifications.... :-) I get "notified" from so many list I am on; I just don't need to be "notified" about posts here....however it may come in handy monitoring a vine..

Turn off the e-mail subscriptions

Is there a way to turn off, or prevent, the new "improved" e-mail notifications? The "Unsubscribe" feature rarely works and usually results in an error message. Please advise! Best Wishes-Jimmy

The "Upgrade"

Or whatever they did really screwed this site up. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"

sick cuz

my first thought was, "they're doing a dry run for how they're going to handle the end of Aug. going into the E72 shipment." :-) :-) ;-)...... they better not!

UNSUBSCRIBE!!

Please fix the UNSUBSCRIBE feature in the "New, Improved, Annoying!" e-mail feature!! I really don't need my inbox clogged with every comment made on certain vines!! Best Wishes-Jimmy

we think

we have stopped the onslaught on this. Sorry for the trouble.

this is odd ,,,

As I click on any forum topic or vine it opens in a new window ? It's never done this before,, could it be my phone ? Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!

I just posted this...

in the Some Missing Pieces of 1972 Vine thread but I'll post it here as well. There is a new aud tape of 6/17 that came to light in July of this year which is a vast improvement to the circulating copy and the COMPLETE show. The taper has sent it to Charlie Miller so he can work his magic on it. In the meantime check out the new aud here:http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-06-17.GratefulDead1972-06-17

6/17/72

Would love to see it vined when Charlie releases it. Thanks!

I've noticed

that copies of the 6-7-2011 Experiments at Talampais Research Institute are starting to circulate. The copy I have is ripped from a dvr, sounds good though.

My apologies

Hey all I have been a little behind the past month and haven't been quick to turn around some vines. I know I have the Clapton and bicentennial vines to go out tomorrow. Other than that I have about 20 vines that I believe no one has signed up for after me, so if I have one that you are waiting on please let me know. thanks and I appreciate everything everyone does on here!

update

Hi everyone !! well after a year of being out on this big road i finally was able to get a brand new laptop ,, whoo hoo for me .. now im getting back up to where i was,, using my phone for a wifi hot spot im back to downloading and can get on dead.net more often,, hmm i think i smell a new vine from me in the near future .. bty im still out here on the road but whatever vines i sing up for will be handled just the same as they used to be..hope all is well on the east coast ,, take care folks !! Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!

Hey

Hey Stu. Stay safe and keep truckin

Anyone else...

...not finding the most recent vinedex that Cosmic Badger did back in June?? His post is there, with nothing under it!?!?