• https://www.dead.net/features/tapers-section/august-27-september-2-2007
    August 27 - September 2, 2007

    I undertook the Taper's Section last November with a pretty simple vision: to have fun providing folks a regular opportunity to hear vault material that kept their interest in Grateful Dead music fresh.

    Recently, I and others that work on dead.net became aware that certain fans had been regularly downloading the tracks offered in the Taper Section. From the very beginning, this program has always been intended to be a "for streaming only" service. Downloading was never announced, described or promoted in any manner. The situation that developed over the past months is very different than my original plan.

    Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you. In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that dead.net's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged. We’re very excited to be hard at work with Rhino on a number of very cool releases and programs that you’ll be hearing about soon. Please bear with us until then.

    See you next week,
    David

    This week, we’re going to explore some cool moments from the Family Dog in 1969, as well as some great material from 1980 and a taste of 1972.

    Although most shows in the Bay Area in the late 1960s were BGP-produced concerts, there was a very hip alternative promoter, namely Chet Helms and his Family Dog at the Great Highway. At the end of the summer of ’69 (no Bryan Adams jokes, please), the Grateful Dead played a few shows at Chet’s cool venue, and from those shows we have some interesting material. From 8/29/69, we have a nice Easy Wind, Me and My Uncle>High Time, as well as the show-closing Lovelight, and from the next night, 8/30/69, we have a very good Morning Dew from early in the show. Be sure to check back next week for another rare track from the Family Dog in 1969.

    One thing we always get excited about is a great tour with consistently great performances, with highlights too numerous to list. The mid-August to early-September 1980 tour is one such stretch of shows, and we have a few examples of great material from this tour this week. Unfortunately, two of the best shows from the tour are not in the vault (9/6 at Lewiston and 9/2/80 at Rochester), but what does live in the vault is exceptional. From 8/27/80 at Pine Knob in Michigan, the second set opening trio of China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider>C.C. Rider (or China>Rider>Rider, if you will) is as high energy as they come. From three nights later in Philadelphia we have the ending sequence of the show on 8/30/80, featuring Space>Not Fade Away>Black Peter>Sugar Magnolia, One More Saturday Night. A classic 1980 sequence if there ever was one. Unfortunately, the first set of this show is not in the vault. Finally from this tour, we have the show opener on 8/31/80 at the Capital Center in Landover, MD, with a rocking duo of Alabama Getaway>Promised Land. As the flipside to the Philly show above, the second set from this Cap Center show is not in the vault.

    Lastly this week, we have a couple of tracks from the first night of the Europe 72 tour, the first two songs played on the tour, in fact. Both of these songs from 4/7/72 in London have a little extra something, as the band was clearly happy to be playing in Europe, a feeling that would evidently continue through the final show on 5/26/72 in London. Oh, yes, the songs: Greatest Story Ever Told and Sugaree. Enjoy.

    Be sure to check back in next week when we’ll have some music from 1969, 1972, 1973 and 1985. It’s going to be a busy week. Feel free to write anytime with questions or comments.

    David Lemieux
    vault [at] dead.net

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    captnstubbs
    17 years 3 months ago
    How about this then?
    Boycott Rhino, they own the rights to just about every '80's cartoon. Transformers, G.I Joe. They bought up the rights to the dead's treasure trove. They want to treat their consumer with contempt. So I'll treat them by being content to put my wallet back in my pocket. The new motto. So if it says Rhino on it........ Stick it back on the shelf!
  • dead tanuki
    17 years 3 months ago
    The Starbucks thing
    People keep alluding to this, and of course a vehement comment about the Starbucks release is what prompted David Gans's heated response last week... I think there are real reasons why the Starbucks release concerns many Dead Heads. They may not be fair reasons, but they're valid from a certain point of view, and I don't think they've been aired in a calm way yet (I might have missed a post, though). First, rightly or wrongly, I'd imagine that for a lot of us, Starbucks represents a certain kind of corporate, yuppie mentality--huge international chain, highly standardized product and merchandizing environment, etc. The opposite of what the Dead stood for in many of our imaginations. That's a romanticized image: the Dead have been a big (or at least mid-sized) business for a long time now. And a negative attitude toward Starbucks may be unfair. But still, there have to be at least a few unreconstructed hippies around the Dead organization who could tell you that the Starbucks alliance would cause a gut reaction in some fans. That gut reaction is not necessarily a reason for Rhino/GDP to refrain from putting out a Starbucks release, but it does, I think, explain at least some of the negative response to it on these boards. Especially combined with (and this is my second point) the fact that the new Starbucks release comes at a time when archival releases are few and far between. This is two best-ofs released in the last four years. Obviously, it took somebody some man-hours to put the new one together, and I imagine many fans wish those man-hours had been spent on a release that they could appreciate, instead. This combines with some frustration about Three From The Vault, which many found to be a less-than-overwhelming release, but which seems like it may have been easier to market to a mass audience than, say, the once-rumored Winterland '73 box would have been. In other words, there seems to be a perception, not entirely unjustified, that more effort right now is being put into trying to recruit new fans/customers than trying to please the faithful. (To be fair, the faithful can be very hard to please--we're loyal, but veeeery cantankerous, and often passionate rather than considered in our responses.) There's nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with Rhino/GDP trying to enlarge the audience for Grateful Dead music. It's not like '87, when there was a delicate ecology to the scene that was thrown out of whack by the arrival of the "Touchheads" (then again, that's when I first got into the Dead, and here I am still, twenty years later). Now, it's just a question of how many people are going to buy each new vault release, and so it's truly the more the merrier. Right? Maybe. Again, I would never argue that Rhino/GDP should NOT try to increase their audience. But from the hardcore fan's perspective, there can certainly be a difference between a label that's dedicated to serving an existing, knowledgeable fanbase and one that's dedicated to appealing to as broad a market as possible. I'm a big Dylan collector, and I don't think I'm alone in feeling that the big problem with Columbia/Sony's approach to Dylan archival sets is that they're trying to appeal to a broad, uncommitted audience, rather than the real hardcore fans. It's no coincidence, I think, that Starbucks also released an exclusive Dylan album, Live At The Gaslight 1962--and Dylan collectors were wildly disappointed with this. What was on it was great, but it left off a good chunk of what's on the circulating Gaslight tape, maybe so as not to scare off casual purchasers with too many unfamiliar songs. Again, Columbia/Sony's Dylan archival releases always seem calculated to rope in as many casual fans as possible, rather than trying to get it right (if I may say so) for the hardcore fans. It's possible that some of us have reacted to the Starbuck's set, 3FTV, and the discontinuance of the DPs and Download Series as Rhino's steps in that direction, as trying to appeal to a broad but casual audience at the expense of the faithful. I take DL2's and everybody else's word for it that this is not the case--that it's just taking a while for Rhino to get all its cylinders firing, and that there will be lots of things to make us hardcore fans very happy (something that the Taper's Section mp3s were doing, incidentally--one reason why taking them away provoked such a reaction). I live in hope. But I just thought I'd point out that the reaction to the Starbucks set was not entirely paranoid or silly. Let's hope the Starbucks set creates thousands and thousands of new Dead fans, and that all of them are ready to make a big box o' '73 their next purchase.
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    caroline
    17 years 3 months ago
    it's working for me, however...
    ok, i too was a downloader- but i feel no guilt for it. if no one running the show knew until recently about the downloading, the people running the forums (what are you currently listening to? what's in your mp3 player?) certainly did and mercifully weren't telling!!! if my downloading was a contributing factor, i will line up for my lashes with the wet noodle... or for streaming poor quality sound... but i can live with it. it isn't ideal- but, as willie nelson says, 'thankfully, i am not in charge' so, my new thing on mondays will be to tune in and enjoy while grading papers instead of tuning in, downloading, giggling like a little kid on her birthday, and loading up my mp3 player will new goodies to take to school to play for myself and all the impressionable young minds... in an ironic twist, our school has prohibited teachers from bringing in music (or film, etc) to use in the classroom for either academic or recreational purposes. the reason given is that the teacher and the school may be sued for copyright infringement (can you smell the disney attorneys in the air there???) and the school can't pay the fines (up to 10k)... so my plan was to continue my old plan: all dead, all day... and this decision to drop mp3s has NOT changed my plan at all (unless the suits come knocking on the door of 1607 looking to take me for all the $500 i'm worth...). although my other plans for an all sugar mag or all shakedown st cd will probably not pan out... i don't want to pour gas on the fire! anyway, david, you have been more than kind to me (and to the collective 'we') in your choices and in your generosity. i have no complaints, only compliments to you on your fine taste in music and your vast knowledge on the band. thanks for all if it. caroline
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I undertook the Taper's Section last November with a pretty simple vision: to have fun providing folks a regular opportunity to hear vault material that kept their interest in Grateful Dead music fresh.

Recently, I and others that work on dead.net became aware that certain fans had been regularly downloading the tracks offered in the Taper Section. From the very beginning, this program has always been intended to be a "for streaming only" service. Downloading was never announced, described or promoted in any manner. The situation that developed over the past months is very different than my original plan.

Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you. In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that dead.net's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged. We’re very excited to be hard at work with Rhino on a number of very cool releases and programs that you’ll be hearing about soon. Please bear with us until then.

See you next week,
David

This week, we’re going to explore some cool moments from the Family Dog in 1969, as well as some great material from 1980 and a taste of 1972.

Although most shows in the Bay Area in the late 1960s were BGP-produced concerts, there was a very hip alternative promoter, namely Chet Helms and his Family Dog at the Great Highway. At the end of the summer of ’69 (no Bryan Adams jokes, please), the Grateful Dead played a few shows at Chet’s cool venue, and from those shows we have some interesting material. From 8/29/69, we have a nice Easy Wind, Me and My Uncle>High Time, as well as the show-closing Lovelight, and from the next night, 8/30/69, we have a very good Morning Dew from early in the show. Be sure to check back next week for another rare track from the Family Dog in 1969.

One thing we always get excited about is a great tour with consistently great performances, with highlights too numerous to list. The mid-August to early-September 1980 tour is one such stretch of shows, and we have a few examples of great material from this tour this week. Unfortunately, two of the best shows from the tour are not in the vault (9/6 at Lewiston and 9/2/80 at Rochester), but what does live in the vault is exceptional. From 8/27/80 at Pine Knob in Michigan, the second set opening trio of China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider>C.C. Rider (or China>Rider>Rider, if you will) is as high energy as they come. From three nights later in Philadelphia we have the ending sequence of the show on 8/30/80, featuring Space>Not Fade Away>Black Peter>Sugar Magnolia, One More Saturday Night. A classic 1980 sequence if there ever was one. Unfortunately, the first set of this show is not in the vault. Finally from this tour, we have the show opener on 8/31/80 at the Capital Center in Landover, MD, with a rocking duo of Alabama Getaway>Promised Land. As the flipside to the Philly show above, the second set from this Cap Center show is not in the vault.

Lastly this week, we have a couple of tracks from the first night of the Europe 72 tour, the first two songs played on the tour, in fact. Both of these songs from 4/7/72 in London have a little extra something, as the band was clearly happy to be playing in Europe, a feeling that would evidently continue through the final show on 5/26/72 in London. Oh, yes, the songs: Greatest Story Ever Told and Sugaree. Enjoy.

Be sure to check back in next week when we’ll have some music from 1969, 1972, 1973 and 1985. It’s going to be a busy week. Feel free to write anytime with questions or comments.

David Lemieux
vault [at] dead.net

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You will never be "satisfied". Moments of momentary bliss will only drive the urge to hunt down more. Like many things, now that I think about it...
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I really enjoyed the downloads but I also enjoy the streaming....thanks a million for all your hard work and providing some really fantastic music....
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If I could click one time and stream all the selections sequentially, I might still listen to them. That way I could listen through the headphones while performing other tasks on my computer. But if I have stop what I'm doing each time a selection ends, flip through several windows, find my place in the list, then click on the next selection - well it's just too much trouble. Listening becomes a chore rather than a pleasure. For what it's worth, Richard
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Open up a second browser window, like I do. That way, I can still surf the net, and still go back to the TS page, as I need to.
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In IE7 and firefox you can just open it in a new tab. Another good tool is "Rocket FM" an FM transmitter that connects to your computer via a USB port. You can set it to any FM frequency, to take advantage of the best in your area. I can listen to the streaming, as well as files on my computer, in any room of my house with no problem. However, I too would like a link to listen to the whole enchilada without having to load each one individually.
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Will we have new selections tomorrow? What did DL do on Memorial Day?
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Seems like the powers that be never learn. Why do you continue to alienate the very people that support you? I really enjoyed the Tapers Section but I run Linux and Opera and I cannot stream from this site (apparently others can't either). I also listen to most music in my car or on my ipod so streaming does not excite me. The main problem you all have is you give something then take it away and wonder why people are upset. In spite of what you all might believe, most Deadheads do not believe we are entitled to this music - we realize this is a great gift the band has given us and we try to do the right thing. We support the band members by purchasing official merchandise and buying tickets to shows for P&F Ratdog etc. I have purchased many official cd's and downloads (including the entire Three From The Vault") even though I have many of the shows already. We also support the community - I have given away extra tickets to shows. I donate to the various download sites. I have purchased official CD's and DVD's for friends that can't afford them and given them as gifts I have downloaded shows for friends (and in some cases people I do not even know) because they cannot do it themselves. I am not writing this to brag (I know a lot of other people that do the same) but to illustrate how the community works- you help a brother or sister when you can and believe that kindness is re-payed in some form or another. You would get much greater support from the community if you took the time to understand it. In business terms, it's called market research. As many others have stated, the answer is not to take away access to the Tapers Section but to make it as accessible to as many as possible. I would pay a monthly fee to be able to download and I would be glad to donate a little more to keep the Tapers Section open to all so someone that can't afford it will still have access. Let people download and share - these are mp3's so they won't end up on torrent sites. This is a good way to introduce new people to the music and expand your market. Stop focusing on the fact that a few people may be downloading music without paying and instead come up with creative ways to bring the best product to the most people. You may be surprised that you can actually make more money by not focusing on making money.
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My earlier message/method also works with the GD Radio Hour if it matters. The idea for streaming would make far more sense if a GD station was (again) established via iTunes. That lil' Phish band had it too before they officially went their own ways. Luckily Rhino has nothing to do with their back catalog.
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The mp3's were reason enough for me to come by every Monday, or if I forgot one week it was extra exciting for two weeks worth of taper's section. The streaming requires that I gotta stick around rather than listen when I please. I'm the type who bought many of the downloads when it was second Tues. every month or whatever that was. I purchase EVERY release. I don't mind paying money but streaming is a big yawn for me. Just for what it's worth, put stuff up often, even if I have to pony up $$, and make it downloadable so I can listen when and where I want, I'll keep coming around. Weekly streaming just won't keep me excited enough to check every week. One more thing, I much prefer the flac format so if you are going to have some kind of pay download thingy, please include flac, not just mp3.
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......take another step back...and another step back........
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i don't get it. the band would let us bring a tape deck in and record the whole show,BUT you won't let us have a couple of songs a week
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David.Please understand that certainly a few songs that we could download and listen to whenever we like, makes us enjoy the dead even more. Hearing a great song from a great show makes us more keen to do just that. What you guys seem to be doing now is turning people off, rather that turning people on with some juicy little nuggets. The downloads make us buy more man... isn't that what its all about??????? Peace