• https://www.dead.net/features/tapers-section/august-27-september-2-2007
    August 27 - September 2, 2007

    I undertook the Taper's Section last November with a pretty simple vision: to have fun providing folks a regular opportunity to hear vault material that kept their interest in Grateful Dead music fresh.

    Recently, I and others that work on dead.net became aware that certain fans had been regularly downloading the tracks offered in the Taper Section. From the very beginning, this program has always been intended to be a "for streaming only" service. Downloading was never announced, described or promoted in any manner. The situation that developed over the past months is very different than my original plan.

    Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you. In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that dead.net's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged. We’re very excited to be hard at work with Rhino on a number of very cool releases and programs that you’ll be hearing about soon. Please bear with us until then.

    See you next week,
    David

    This week, we’re going to explore some cool moments from the Family Dog in 1969, as well as some great material from 1980 and a taste of 1972.

    Although most shows in the Bay Area in the late 1960s were BGP-produced concerts, there was a very hip alternative promoter, namely Chet Helms and his Family Dog at the Great Highway. At the end of the summer of ’69 (no Bryan Adams jokes, please), the Grateful Dead played a few shows at Chet’s cool venue, and from those shows we have some interesting material. From 8/29/69, we have a nice Easy Wind, Me and My Uncle>High Time, as well as the show-closing Lovelight, and from the next night, 8/30/69, we have a very good Morning Dew from early in the show. Be sure to check back next week for another rare track from the Family Dog in 1969.

    One thing we always get excited about is a great tour with consistently great performances, with highlights too numerous to list. The mid-August to early-September 1980 tour is one such stretch of shows, and we have a few examples of great material from this tour this week. Unfortunately, two of the best shows from the tour are not in the vault (9/6 at Lewiston and 9/2/80 at Rochester), but what does live in the vault is exceptional. From 8/27/80 at Pine Knob in Michigan, the second set opening trio of China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider>C.C. Rider (or China>Rider>Rider, if you will) is as high energy as they come. From three nights later in Philadelphia we have the ending sequence of the show on 8/30/80, featuring Space>Not Fade Away>Black Peter>Sugar Magnolia, One More Saturday Night. A classic 1980 sequence if there ever was one. Unfortunately, the first set of this show is not in the vault. Finally from this tour, we have the show opener on 8/31/80 at the Capital Center in Landover, MD, with a rocking duo of Alabama Getaway>Promised Land. As the flipside to the Philly show above, the second set from this Cap Center show is not in the vault.

    Lastly this week, we have a couple of tracks from the first night of the Europe 72 tour, the first two songs played on the tour, in fact. Both of these songs from 4/7/72 in London have a little extra something, as the band was clearly happy to be playing in Europe, a feeling that would evidently continue through the final show on 5/26/72 in London. Oh, yes, the songs: Greatest Story Ever Told and Sugaree. Enjoy.

    Be sure to check back in next week when we’ll have some music from 1969, 1972, 1973 and 1985. It’s going to be a busy week. Feel free to write anytime with questions or comments.

    David Lemieux
    vault [at] dead.net

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    17 years 3 months ago
    Why?? Why did the tapers
    Why?? Why did the tapers section downloads have to stop? Did corporate greed take over everything we felt dearly to. I know everyone wants have a cash flow in but this is ridiculous when you can go archive, Bt-etree and numerous other sites for music. This wasn't whole shows but nuggets -- but wait some corporate Rhino person pitched some lame presentation that showed giant $ graphics that you can make all this money based on the download traffic for tapers section. Thank you for selling out and let alone not let the Tapers section program be what it was meant to be!!!!!!! (Not against you D.L. just these corporate greedy guys marketing some charts to pinch every penny possible out of us - BTW thanks for the nuggets) BTW I will never support this Rhino effort if this is the way all decisions are going to be made based on increasing cash flows in at the expense of the fans. It's another Archive Part II. Hopefully the fans will be heard and bring tapers section back! I have two words for Rhino and they AREN'T Happy Birthday! Go Archive and other great sites. The music never stopped.
  • Anomalator
    17 years 3 months ago
    Answers, please!
    First off, I'd just like to say thank you David for all the very enjoyable Taper's Section postings since last November. I've read every one of these informative jems, and it was always the highlight of my Mondays. But I must confess, I too am one of those "certain fans" that downoaded all the mp3's in the TS postings. I found the sound quality to be quite decent, and the convenience was very much appreciated. Having said that, I would like to respectfuly ask a few questions. 1. What's so wrong about offering mp3 downloads in the Taper's Section? I've been reading the postings in this forum for the past few weeks in which some fans are just fine with change to streaming (when it works), and others are outright pissed. But I have yet to read and explanation of WHY the mp3 downloads were a problem at all. Did Rhino somehow feel they were losing revenue? Or potential revenue even? I can assure you that they were not missing out on any revenue from me, and probably many others as well. I've purchased hundreds of dollars worth of GD CD's, videos, and downloads, and I will continue to do so. The downloadable mp3's didn't discourage me in any way about wanting to buy more GD mercandise. If anything, it made me want to buy MORE. Also, I do not feel that I am somehow entitled to the Grateful Dead's music just because I am a long time fan, but it sure was a nice gesture of kindness to have those fresh mp3's every Monday. So why the change of heart? 2. Have we reached the point with the Grateful Dead's music that none of it should be had for free? I realize and respect the fact that the Dead's music is their property and they have every right to do with it what they please. But some of the changes that have taken place in regards to access of the music over the past couple of years seem very alien to what the whole Dead community is, or at least was. Was archive.org really that much of a threat to the income of GDM? And if so, what's next? Are the bit torrent downloaders next on the hit list? I've also noticed that GDlive is now gone, which, in all honesty, may or may not be the fault of GD/Rhino. But it does make me wonder. And was it really that much of a problem that people downloaded the mp3's from the Taper's Section? What did you think poeple were going to do with these except just enjoy them? 3. And finally, why are Deadheads getting the silent treatment from Rhino? I understand that selling the Vault was a major deal, and I'm sure it's a big job getting things in order, but there has been absolutely no word from Rhino about any future developments or releases of GD material. Why? What purpose does it serve to give the cold shoulder to the most loyal fanbase in the history of music? Does Rhino think this is going to build anticipation? Do they care at all about what we think? It's very confusing, and a bit alienating to Deadheads. How about wetting our appetites with some info, a tease, or something to get us excited about the GD's future with Rhino. A little communication from Rhino would go a long way towards fostering goodwill and making Deadheads feel better about this whole undertaking. I will always be a deadicated fan of the Grateful Dead, and nothing is ever going to change that, but there does seem to be a lot of changes happening in regards to how the Dead's music is being handled without any reason being given as to why. I know that no one in the GD/Rhino management owes us an explanation, but it sure would be nice if we were given one, if for no other reason then to keep things open and positive. Otherwise the result is a flood of harsh criticism and angry comments like what we've seen over the past few weeks. And that doesn't do anybody any good. The whole GD scene works as a symbiotic relationship, one that's been going strong for over 40 years now. I sure would like to see it stay a healthy one. Thanks again David.
  • Steve-O
    17 years 3 months ago
    Yawn
    Blah Blah Blah, Yadiyadiyadi. Is this over yet, or should I stay tuned till next week and hear this bull all over again? Some are a little entertaining though. I hope that I spelled everything ok.
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I undertook the Taper's Section last November with a pretty simple vision: to have fun providing folks a regular opportunity to hear vault material that kept their interest in Grateful Dead music fresh.

Recently, I and others that work on dead.net became aware that certain fans had been regularly downloading the tracks offered in the Taper Section. From the very beginning, this program has always been intended to be a "for streaming only" service. Downloading was never announced, described or promoted in any manner. The situation that developed over the past months is very different than my original plan.

Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you. In the meantime, we ask that you all realize that dead.net's and GDP's commitment to the Dead Head community is unchanged. We’re very excited to be hard at work with Rhino on a number of very cool releases and programs that you’ll be hearing about soon. Please bear with us until then.

See you next week,
David

This week, we’re going to explore some cool moments from the Family Dog in 1969, as well as some great material from 1980 and a taste of 1972.

Although most shows in the Bay Area in the late 1960s were BGP-produced concerts, there was a very hip alternative promoter, namely Chet Helms and his Family Dog at the Great Highway. At the end of the summer of ’69 (no Bryan Adams jokes, please), the Grateful Dead played a few shows at Chet’s cool venue, and from those shows we have some interesting material. From 8/29/69, we have a nice Easy Wind, Me and My Uncle>High Time, as well as the show-closing Lovelight, and from the next night, 8/30/69, we have a very good Morning Dew from early in the show. Be sure to check back next week for another rare track from the Family Dog in 1969.

One thing we always get excited about is a great tour with consistently great performances, with highlights too numerous to list. The mid-August to early-September 1980 tour is one such stretch of shows, and we have a few examples of great material from this tour this week. Unfortunately, two of the best shows from the tour are not in the vault (9/6 at Lewiston and 9/2/80 at Rochester), but what does live in the vault is exceptional. From 8/27/80 at Pine Knob in Michigan, the second set opening trio of China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider>C.C. Rider (or China>Rider>Rider, if you will) is as high energy as they come. From three nights later in Philadelphia we have the ending sequence of the show on 8/30/80, featuring Space>Not Fade Away>Black Peter>Sugar Magnolia, One More Saturday Night. A classic 1980 sequence if there ever was one. Unfortunately, the first set of this show is not in the vault. Finally from this tour, we have the show opener on 8/31/80 at the Capital Center in Landover, MD, with a rocking duo of Alabama Getaway>Promised Land. As the flipside to the Philly show above, the second set from this Cap Center show is not in the vault.

Lastly this week, we have a couple of tracks from the first night of the Europe 72 tour, the first two songs played on the tour, in fact. Both of these songs from 4/7/72 in London have a little extra something, as the band was clearly happy to be playing in Europe, a feeling that would evidently continue through the final show on 5/26/72 in London. Oh, yes, the songs: Greatest Story Ever Told and Sugaree. Enjoy.

Be sure to check back in next week when we’ll have some music from 1969, 1972, 1973 and 1985. It’s going to be a busy week. Feel free to write anytime with questions or comments.

David Lemieux
vault [at] dead.net

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You will never be "satisfied". Moments of momentary bliss will only drive the urge to hunt down more. Like many things, now that I think about it...
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I really enjoyed the downloads but I also enjoy the streaming....thanks a million for all your hard work and providing some really fantastic music....
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If I could click one time and stream all the selections sequentially, I might still listen to them. That way I could listen through the headphones while performing other tasks on my computer. But if I have stop what I'm doing each time a selection ends, flip through several windows, find my place in the list, then click on the next selection - well it's just too much trouble. Listening becomes a chore rather than a pleasure. For what it's worth, Richard
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Open up a second browser window, like I do. That way, I can still surf the net, and still go back to the TS page, as I need to.
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In IE7 and firefox you can just open it in a new tab. Another good tool is "Rocket FM" an FM transmitter that connects to your computer via a USB port. You can set it to any FM frequency, to take advantage of the best in your area. I can listen to the streaming, as well as files on my computer, in any room of my house with no problem. However, I too would like a link to listen to the whole enchilada without having to load each one individually.
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Will we have new selections tomorrow? What did DL do on Memorial Day?
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Seems like the powers that be never learn. Why do you continue to alienate the very people that support you? I really enjoyed the Tapers Section but I run Linux and Opera and I cannot stream from this site (apparently others can't either). I also listen to most music in my car or on my ipod so streaming does not excite me. The main problem you all have is you give something then take it away and wonder why people are upset. In spite of what you all might believe, most Deadheads do not believe we are entitled to this music - we realize this is a great gift the band has given us and we try to do the right thing. We support the band members by purchasing official merchandise and buying tickets to shows for P&F Ratdog etc. I have purchased many official cd's and downloads (including the entire Three From The Vault") even though I have many of the shows already. We also support the community - I have given away extra tickets to shows. I donate to the various download sites. I have purchased official CD's and DVD's for friends that can't afford them and given them as gifts I have downloaded shows for friends (and in some cases people I do not even know) because they cannot do it themselves. I am not writing this to brag (I know a lot of other people that do the same) but to illustrate how the community works- you help a brother or sister when you can and believe that kindness is re-payed in some form or another. You would get much greater support from the community if you took the time to understand it. In business terms, it's called market research. As many others have stated, the answer is not to take away access to the Tapers Section but to make it as accessible to as many as possible. I would pay a monthly fee to be able to download and I would be glad to donate a little more to keep the Tapers Section open to all so someone that can't afford it will still have access. Let people download and share - these are mp3's so they won't end up on torrent sites. This is a good way to introduce new people to the music and expand your market. Stop focusing on the fact that a few people may be downloading music without paying and instead come up with creative ways to bring the best product to the most people. You may be surprised that you can actually make more money by not focusing on making money.
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My earlier message/method also works with the GD Radio Hour if it matters. The idea for streaming would make far more sense if a GD station was (again) established via iTunes. That lil' Phish band had it too before they officially went their own ways. Luckily Rhino has nothing to do with their back catalog.
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The mp3's were reason enough for me to come by every Monday, or if I forgot one week it was extra exciting for two weeks worth of taper's section. The streaming requires that I gotta stick around rather than listen when I please. I'm the type who bought many of the downloads when it was second Tues. every month or whatever that was. I purchase EVERY release. I don't mind paying money but streaming is a big yawn for me. Just for what it's worth, put stuff up often, even if I have to pony up $$, and make it downloadable so I can listen when and where I want, I'll keep coming around. Weekly streaming just won't keep me excited enough to check every week. One more thing, I much prefer the flac format so if you are going to have some kind of pay download thingy, please include flac, not just mp3.
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......take another step back...and another step back........
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i don't get it. the band would let us bring a tape deck in and record the whole show,BUT you won't let us have a couple of songs a week
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David.Please understand that certainly a few songs that we could download and listen to whenever we like, makes us enjoy the dead even more. Hearing a great song from a great show makes us more keen to do just that. What you guys seem to be doing now is turning people off, rather that turning people on with some juicy little nuggets. The downloads make us buy more man... isn't that what its all about??????? Peace