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    "And with this incredibly tight batch of prime 1987 Grateful Dead, we’re thrilled to bring you Dave’s Picks Vol. 36, matching the number that will be forever tied to Dick’s legacy. Thanks for sticking around this long, and for joining us through these past nine years of archival live Grateful Dead releases." - David Lemieux

    We're doing things a bit different for this one - two complete shows on four CDs, bringing you one of Dave's faves and what very well could have been one of Dick's Picks. Yep, back-to-back nights from peak era 80s - the furthest we've gone into the decade, in fact - that will bring you to joyful tears. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) delivers emotional takes on tracks like "Row Jimmy," "Black Peter," Uncle John's Band," and serves up a hit list of covers ("In The Midnight Hour," "Good Lovin'," "Desolation Row," "Promised Land," "Little Red Rooster," "Morning Dew," Johnny B. Goode") that'll have you hootin' and hollerin'.

    Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, this one has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    one slight relocation of a letter, and you have a completely different meaning.

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    Are you now, or have you ever been a robot?

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    Giving the release a first, casual listen. Using When Push Comes to Shove to get me mentally settled in for a date tonight.... been quite a few years since I've done this!

    So a closer listen will have to wait until the weekend (but I did catch a perfectly placed Phil bomb in Row Jimmy).

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    ....you make an excellent point; I see what you did there.

    We'll need to get Jimmy's word on this once he has consumed the sauce and reports back.

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    So this is an audience recording made at the mixing board instead of the taper’s section?

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    I had a chance to listen to the first show through my stereo system last night. Usually I listen through headphones, so it was harder to gauge the sound quality, but i still got a good handle on the show overall.

    Midnight Hour - Great surprise to open the show and the crowd loved it. According to Deadbase they played this about 30 times, with half from 66-71 and the other half scattered about from -'82-'93, but 7 times in '85. Bobby gets the vocal chords stretched out early.

    Cold Rain - The crowd is clearly pumped to see and hear Jerry and he gets a big cheer for his first tune and his first and second solos. This is one of my favorites and its well played.

    CC Rider - In the standard position. I can hear Phil's bass well and Brent has a nice solo about halfway in. The energy level is still up until

    Row Jimmy - kid of plods. I was never a huge fan of this tune, but its pretty well played.

    Esau/Push Comes to Shove - gets the crowd back into it. Two newer tunes both played well and the energy level rebounds. Jerry has to nail the lyrics on PCtS for a good version, and he does it pretty well here. Not as good a version as 7-12-87, which is the best i've heard them play the tune. Always great to hear Esau.

    Desolation Row - Well played and sung and it moves by pretty fast given how many words are in it. For my money, no version will ever touch the Dylan studio cut, with Bloomfield's fills and Dylan's delivery, but Bobby does the tune justice.

    Bird Song - Nice jamming here. Solid non-72 Bird Song.

    Promised Land - Promised Land is Promised Land.

    I got a beer and took a wiz during set break. No lines was nice. The dog was in my seat but I asked him nicely and he moved.

    China/Rider - Always welcome. I prefer '73-'74 but this was nice and smooth.

    LLR - I really like this tune and this version stood out to me. The pace was a little faster than usual and the song was very well played. Good solos. Good bobby vocal embellishments.

    He's Gone - Crowd was into this one. Nice placement and playing.

    Drums -> Space - Drums was pretty uneventful for the first half. I can get into a good drums but this one didn't really do it for me, at least until the second half. Space was perfunctory.

    Miracle - Well played. Short and to the point.

    Black Peter - Crowd was into this one, along with He's Gone the crowd was feeling this, given Jerry's comeback. Always nice to hear this tune in place of Warf Rat or Stella.

    Around/Good Lovin - Double dose of Bobby to close out the second set. Good energy and playing.

    Quinn - Great encore.

    I think the crowd noise really added to the good vibe of the show. The more I hear '87 the more i like it. I'm happy to have this show. Ill revisit along with the Giant's stadium show and the Sept 18 MSG 30 trips show.

    Show packaging is nice. The 4th disk has a proper home. They didn't try to jam the disc in the usual format Dave's picks - they redesigned it for 4 discs. One might expect this, but given some of the customer service snags we've seen over the years, it wasn't a guarantee. Solid late 80s Hartford hippy pics and a Lemieux narrative rounds out the accotrements. And I suppose i'd be remiss to not mention the pic of the 3-26 setlist at the end of the booklet, which I hope was scribbled by an offspring of the band or crew, but fear could be the handiwork of one of the band members themselves.

    On to 3-27!

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    I do a lot of audio recording and post-show mixing for a live band, and I'd like to respond to a few comments about the audio. One person said with certainty that unrelated audience noise was patched-in (like a laugh track - LOL), others not happy that the audience noise is so high.

    I can tell you that it's not that easy to manipulate the audience noise itself. I haven't gotten the release so I haven't read the liner notes, but I'm guessing they "matrixed" this mix from the soundboard and a separate audience taper recording. "Matrix" means they sync up the two recordings so you get the best qualities of both recordings. Soundboards tend to have great vocals, keys and drums, but the recordings tend to be very bland, with keys and vocals much higher in the mix (since the guitars' stage amps are already blaring). But when you add in the audience recording to balance out the instruments (pulling the guitars forward in the mix and adding room ambience), you're necessarily adding audience noise as well... you can't suppress it.

    The exception to the "soundboards usually don't sound great" is, of course, Betty's mixes from the 70's, but that's because she was NOT mixing the room sound/PA. Her husband was doing that. Betty ran a parallel board and mixed to the headphones only, balancing the instruments perfectly and then adding reverb to make it sound like a big hall (listen to Cornell where she admits she was a little generous with the reverb - think Jerry's vocals on Scarlet>Fire).

    The 80's recordings didn't have the benefit of Betty's parallel board, which is why 80's sbd's by themselves generally sound, um.... "not as good as the 70's Betty shows". (Spacebro may disagree, which is fine - respect)

    So basically the point is that the audience is likely that loud because they were focused on balancing the sources to get the music (regardless of the audience bleed thru) sounding as presentable as possible. I agree that made the audience a little louder then I'd like - kinda distracting. This is why we should all say a little thank you to Betty Cantor Jackson every night before we go to bed.

    EDIT - I just re-read JimInMD's comment. He said Healy would use an audience mic and add that to the room mix DURING the show... I may be wrong Jim but my understanding is that the matrix (or "ultramix") recordings were created after the show so they didn't sound like sh__ on playback. I'd be shocked if they were feeding the audience mics back into the PA - that would invite feedback, echo, and time-blur headaches. But I could be wrong.

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    A true matrix is using a soundboard recording and a mic recording and blending them to compensate for the inherent idiosyncrasies in both. If it’s done well it’s awesome, if not.....

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    When you say a "PA recording…

    When you say a "PA recording" does that mean Healy recorded the sound coming over-the-air just like any taper? It does sound that way. Why would he do that if he was at the soundboard and could have just recorded the mix directly and then patch in the audience levels to his liking?

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"And with this incredibly tight batch of prime 1987 Grateful Dead, we’re thrilled to bring you Dave’s Picks Vol. 36, matching the number that will be forever tied to Dick’s legacy. Thanks for sticking around this long, and for joining us through these past nine years of archival live Grateful Dead releases." - David Lemieux

We're doing things a bit different for this one - two complete shows on four CDs, bringing you one of Dave's faves and what very well could have been one of Dick's Picks. Yep, back-to-back nights from peak era 80s - the furthest we've gone into the decade, in fact - that will bring you to joyful tears. DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 36: HARTFORD CIVIC CENTER, HARTFORD, CT (3/26/87 & 3/27/87) delivers emotional takes on tracks like "Row Jimmy," "Black Peter," Uncle John's Band," and serves up a hit list of covers ("In The Midnight Hour," "Good Lovin'," "Desolation Row," "Promised Land," "Little Red Rooster," "Morning Dew," Johnny B. Goode") that'll have you hootin' and hollerin'.

Limited to 22,000 numbered copies, this one has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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So my copy of DaP 36 is in limbo. For me like those in the US, these are shipped initially through UPS and the transfered to USPS for the final leg of the delivery. The UPS tracking lists mine as out for delivery on 10/30/2020. The USPS tracking states it is waiting on its arrival - shipping label created on 10/30/2020. Can't win for tryin'.

However as often, I like to go with the sci fi time travel theory explanation: I think my copy of DaP 36 is stuck in a time vortex in 1971. In this very vortex, my DaP 36 dislodged my AB 50th copy which has arrived 2 days early of its targeted date. I am spinning the 2/18/71show now. I am following that up with Duane Allman's last 2 shows 10/15/71 (which was delivered today too) and 10/17/71. So yeah, I think I will let the good year of 1971 keep me busy.

I am thinking that the secret to getting my DaP 36 may be somehow encoded in the "Beautiful Jam" segment of the 2/18/71 Dark Star.

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I was wondering now that Dave's 36 mached Dick's full output at 36 whether they would issue a similar version of the booklet covering cross referenced of the output. I understand Dick's was over but this is the 10th year. It would be nice

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About what I expected. I heard this on Sirius a few weeks back and was concerned about the crowd noise. It was a bit much during Midnight Hour, but overall not as bad as I feared. I’ll take the audience noise all day long over those horrid keyboards from DaP35. In the end it seems to me that Dave wanted to recreate his first concert experience as closely as possible. God Bless. He’s entitled and he did a fine job.

For all you LLR haters out there, I actually like this one.

I expected to shelve this one, but it will certainly get a few more listens.

As far as the muddy sound, every time I attended a show in Hartford, the first few songs always sounded terrible. Not sure why. Aiko in 86 was barely audible.

By the way, 12/10/69 was on Sirius today. Why the hell wasn’t that released?

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Just curious if I'm the only one who's gotten a shipping notification but a failure to detect the actual package within the USPS system, I JUST got the Colored American Vinyl shipped to my local distribution center so hoping no funny business is going on with the Dave's Picks...otherwise keep it easy folks we're in for a bumpay ride =)

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Pick 36. Thanks - four sets of the classic mainstream rock GD recorded in a live Matrix-mix by house engineer of the time, Dan Healy.

It is workin for me. Bass is deep, reverberated and vocals are present with clarity and detail, but not too dry... instruments audible and dynamic. Kick Drum kicks. Cymbals slash and shimmer and splash and crash. Big crowd sounds as nature intended. -- And I only just got to Black Peter so far!

The fact is to do the archivists job and present Rhino with approved product is a hard enough job. but we're all experts too. Watching the promos for the releases, one gets to expect, like any issue of The Amazing Spider-Man Comic - we'll be told only the next issue will ever possibly outmatch the one you have in your possession now...

Well here, all be told Dave has bared his teenage soul and shared the first and it is no hyperbole...Bird Song 12-26-1981 is still my favorite, but had I been an attendee, 3/26/87 might easily eclipse it in hindsight!

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Just delivered by the postman. That is remarkably fast, especially in these strange times. As the tracking had said that it had arrived in the Netherlands yesterday morning, it was obviously not held up by customs. For other Europeans anxiously waiting to see what the customs will do, maybe it is reassuring to hear that the value stated on the customs declaration on the packet was $10. This explains why the Dutch customs were not interested and I had nothing to pay. Now all I have to do is listen to it. 😛

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WOW! The mix of this release is absolutely OUTSTANDING. I consider this to be one of the best mixes of any of the DP Series (and all are done masterfully), but this one has just the right about of Audience to add an ambience not previously attained by any of the other releases. "Wish I Was A Headlight On A North Bound Train > Crowd Scream" gives me goosebumps...

Well done!!!

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From 1 January 2021 the existing VAT exemption for goods up to 22 € will disappear. In order to allow VAT to be levied, all imports into the EU will have to be declared at the border using an electronic customs declaration.''

Latest news say rule is postponed to July 1, 2021.
Is that 'globalization' for the common man? Or is it EU at its best?

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As usual, it simply means that we will be required to pay even more taxes. Low value imports from outside the EU were one of the few things that were not taxed. What is even worse is that while the amount of VAT is not a lot, maybe €4 or €5, the administration charge from the customs is around three times as much again. The total amount we are taxed is eye-watering and it seems it will only get worse.

Sorry to hear.. toss some tea in the harbor. That e'll teach em.

Glad you got yours before I got mine. That's twice this has happened. The times they are changing.

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Favorite 2 Dead shows of all time, 3/1/69 & 5/2/70. Top 3 venues to see the Dead. Orpheum Theatre, Greek Theatre, Ventura County Fairgrounds. Favorite Dead song, Cumberland Blues, favorite version Europe 72.

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One more thing on this great release. I love that they put Latvala on the license plate in the liner notes-- a throwback to the Dick's Picks series where they all had 'Latvala' edited into a sign, license plate or something on all the releases. Just gotta poke around. Got through all of the release last night and I stand by earlier comments-- really solid release.

Billy the Kid - I could go along with that-the best two shows being 3/1/69 and 5/2/70. 3/1 is my favourite show from that run, and I am hopeful it will come out on vinyl next year. Before logging on, coincidentally, I started listening to 5/2/70 again - fantastic from start to finish . With Cumberland, I always liked the one on 4/28/71-I think this is the one on the box Ladies and Gentlemen.

For those of you that have your DP36 sitting in limbo between UPS and USPS, my copy finally arrived today after it was suppose to arrive last Wednesday. It was stuck between UPS Mail Innovations and USPS since last Monday 10/26/20 and tracking did not update until this morning right before it arrived. I was getting worried. So, be patient. I guess this election and Covid-19 has slowed the postal service down considerably. Time to dig in!

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Too much crowd mixed in. It's like listening to a really good audience tape at times. I look to the Dave's Picks series for a cleaner, soundboard type recording. And proximity to NYC meant a noisier crowd in general. Still great, but I hope it's not indicative of a trend...lol

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Easy paper ballot, no hanging chad, just fill in the circle like standardized testing.

Made it through 3-26 last night.
Yes, lots of audience at the beginning of set 1, a little less at the beginning of set 2, but at one point during Miracle there was very little. Sounds like someone was adjusting the %AUD at times along with crowd enthusiasm.

Sound quality is good in terms of being able to hear instruments, and Phil has rattled the house at times.

I’m not shocked at the way it sounds because I had several pretty good sounding UM’s during tape trading days including Laguna Seca and Angel’s Camp 87, and I think 3-27-88 was also a UM.

Dave had some leeway this year since 2-18,21-71 were able to appease some of the less-than-enthusiastic subscribers regarding his choices in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

Looking forward to seeing what Dave pulls out of the vault in 2021.
Bring on the Knock Your Socks Off Box.
And what about 2020 Black Friday RSD?

Now on 3-27 Rooster and there is very little crowd noise, all instruments can be heard.

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Arrived today. Some days we get no mail, others, like one letter, and then days like today the wife's Lands End bag and a ton of mail, the new Guitar World with Angus on the cover... and this little number.

Well, a bit of a high number only 1,110 from the end but no matter.

This release sounds - and feels - very "alive" to me. I love, love the enhanced crowd ambience. Dead & Co. shows have a little more of this, as well... I don't find that it detracts from the overall listen, in fact it draws me in and makes me feel more present.

Live shows, even those with respectful audiences still carry that magic background noise, and that's a big part of attending concerts. Here's to hoping we get that back on a large scale sooner than later. I really want to see Dead & Co. a few more times.

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Why not include the bonus disc art? Just noticed that. Missed opportunity there I guess...still a cool poster though.

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We'll get there soon enough.

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on the ballot in many places. Here in MN it's somewhat decriminalized, and we have (very-restrictive) legalized medical marijuana. Public opinion and one party (the governor is from that party) favor legal recreational marijuana here, but one party consistently blocks it; MN currently has the nation's only divided legislature, in that our house is controlled by one party, and our senate by the other. So one party passes legalized marijuana in the house, with the governor's promise to sign that bill into law, and then the other party in the senate votes it down.

AB sounds good, as AB should.

2/18/71 is in process right now (on a small tunebox, not the car stereo), and sounds good, as 2/18/71 should.

God bless the Grateful Dead

I tried Spring 90 yesterday (3/14, 3/16), and it sounded flat to me. My opinion.

I also listened to 11/2/85 (quiet backgound music), and it sounded ok. Morning Dew... :)))

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Came through the letter box this morning. I wasn't asked to pay any duty or extra costs either. This is the first time for a year or two, and it has improved my mood on receiving it. In the recent past, I had a sense of paying for Dave's cds twice with the additional postage costs-but having paid the subscription this time last year, this one feels almost free.

I am still not opening post for a few days after receiving it, but come Friday I will crack it open and give it a spin. I' should be getting American Beauty and 2/18/71 tomorrow, too, so its all system go. Or will be soon.

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Finally landed here in NC with the AB 50th. Tracking was lost in limbo on both, but so glad they're here safe! Hope everyone receives their copies soon! Nothing left to do but smile smile smile!

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I didn't receive a mailing notice but they sent 3 sets today

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Boy this set has such great energy - China Rider is hot! I’m good with the matrix recording because I’m especially glad to feel like I’m back at a live concert, especially when I’m cranking this one up. There’s something different about this one - electric, toe tapping even more than usual. Nice work, stay safe out there!

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Just finished listening to 36. I really liked it. Great job, David and Jeffrey!

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Listening for the 1st time. Matrix definitely works. You are there! Purity you've been locked up to long

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Thanks so much for this set, I love this era more than I ever did now. Totally floored by Black Peter and I had only recently heard it with new ears on the San Diego '74 set released earlier this year.

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After 8 days in limbo, not counting the 4 days before it was handed to UPS, UPS tracking now says they have transferred the package to the post office for delivery. USPS tracking says they haven’t received it! I’m sure it’s sitting in a tray somewhere waiting to be processed but I don’t see it reaching me in the UK anytime soon. Perhaps in another week?
Stay safe and stay healthy.

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This is great, better than I had expected. The ultramatrix thang mostly works. Here and there, mostly towards the start of proceedings the audience level is too high but it settles down to a reasonable level fairly quickly. Sometimes when the audience goes nuts, it is obvious why from the music, sometimes there must have been a visual stimulus because it seems to have nothing to do with the music at that moment. I guess you had to be there. The band's performances are great. There are few flubs and the energy is high. The versions of some songs are top notch. The mix of the instruments is pretty good. Everyone can be heard though some instruments are a bit low in the mix. All things considered this is a fine release and a big improvement over Dave's Picks 35 where the sound quality of the cassette recording was definitely low fidelity and sounded muddy to these ears.

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with everything Simonrob said except that I really liked #35 too :)

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The end of the Dew falls a little flat for me. Jerry usually would draw out that last syllable of 'I guess it doesn't matter anywaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy', but here he doesn't. Small thing, but noticeable. The '87 happy and present Jerry is a plus for me though.

P.S. I found all the taxis. :-)

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In London in 1990, the crowd cheering seemed to bear no relation at all to what was being played on stage. It was very loud before they even came on stage, and carried on during both sets ebbing and flowing.. Maybe on occasion a few people started shouting and others picked up on it and then everyone was at it. It reminded me a bit of being at a football game. It was far louder up in the balcony, where I was on the third night, compared to in the stalls at the front, where I was on the first.

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I have traditionally been a "give us more 1967-1974"-type Grateful Dead fan but I must add to the chorus of people praising Dave's 36 (and 35, for that matter). Listening to Dave's 36, the first show, then the second, inspired me to finally open Dave's 35 (4 20 84), which had been sitting on the shelf in brand new unopened condition for the past several months. And that too is superb ... thank you Dave.

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I paid $40.00 for a grade D audience tape that I can listen to for free on archive.org!
The only thing missing from this steaming pile of SHIT is the super dosed freako in the audience screaming "Jerry" on EVERY track!
COMPLETE RIPOFF!

....anyone can listen to pretty much any show, any grade, on archive.org. For Free.

Nothing new here....except varying expectations and ongoing personal demands.

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Three toed sloth is ANGRY!

I guess the good news for Dave and Company is that he doesn't move all that fast :)

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I had heard that Oregon decriminalized all illicit drugs Tuesday, but just now learned that in conjunction with that, they also legalized psychedelic mushrooms.

And in Arizona, until Tuesday, it apparently was a felony to possess marijuana; it no longer is.

Oregon Measure 109. Legalize Psilocybin
Permits licensed service providers to administer psilocybin-producing mushroom and fungi products to individuals 21 years of age or older.

Not sure what licensed service providers means.. the old and wise hippie shaman down the street or a licensed psychologist that would only prescribe under controlled / supervised conditions, etc.

In any case, I am jealous.

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Hopefully, it will eventually be for recreational use, but this is certainly a start.

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