Grateful Dead

Man, I sure hope that I haven't inadvertently vined anything that was once MP3. Most of the lossless I have vined I received from another source, and I don't think it was ever MP3, and I KNOW I didn't convert it to MP3. That would really suck. I wish someone else would post on the WAV v lossless topic, especially regarding my statement that a WAV copy of a copy of a copy of a copy etc of a WAV copy converted from lossless has more loss than the original WAV copy. I might be wrong there. But, I will admit, I was a little irritated by the WAY I was told I was wrong. That may be oversensitivity on my part, or even the fact that posts, like emails, can be easily misinterpreted. I have been busy with other stuff and haven't posted some things I wanted to post. The 68 vine will be posted soon. All I have to do is copy and burn CB's disc. Oh Yeah has not gotten back to me about the burning speed or whatever the problem he and other MAC users are having with how my PC/Vista burns DVDs, so this will go out as my past vines have gone out. I will finish up the 77 after that and then take a little break from posting vines. So, although I said I would reseed the Nov 72 vine, I am going to bow out on that and hope someone else fills that hole. I have some other stuff to vine (I just got ALL of 1979), but am going to hold off for a while, though I will eventually vine it.

let's get back to the nuts and bolts of why we're here...the music...if you want to confirm that a vine has been converted from MP3 to lossless there are several ways to do that. I am guessing 95% of us take on faith that the vines circulated as lossless are lossless - and the rest have the means to check that they are the real deal. On that note...how about a vine a la the '77 lossless project? I propose the Garcia '74 shows all lossless and on DVD only. This would be in 5 installments. Many of them will be audience shows recorded by one of our great preservationist brothers (along with others), the recently deceased Jerry Moore, along with a large number of SBD recordings. Much of this material are the shows recorded with the late Merl Saunders. In my humble opinion, '74 was one of Jerry's best years, if not his best year for solo non-GD work. Below I list the 5 installments of this collection, if any one has any improved/additional shows to add let my know via PM and I will add them. As far as I know, these represent the best of what is out there, but again, what the hell do I know? Installment One (of Five) '74 Garcia Project: jg74-01-17.jgms.aud.tobin.76471.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-17.jgms.dts-corrected.tobin.90398.flac jg74-01-17.jgms.mtx.tobin.90365.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-17.jgms.sbd.kaplan.20678.sbeok.shnf jg74-01-17.jgms.sbd.tobin.76474.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-18.jgms.aud-falanga.jupille.8873.sbeok.shnf jg74-01-19.jgms.sbd.jjoops.8064.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-05.jgms.sbd.jjoops.11254.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-05.jgms.sbd.ladner.32088.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-09.jgms.partial.sbd.seff.6381.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-09.jgms.sbd.jjoops.17787.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-09.jgms.sbd.kung.30597.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-16.jgms.aud.falanga.jupille.8063.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-16.jgms.sbd.gems.91471.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-xx.jgms.aud.falanga.warner.8654.sbeok.shnf jg74-03-08.partial.kpfa-gans.32377.sbeok.flac16 jg74-03-09.jgms.sbd.unknown.33750.sbeok.flac16 Installment Two: jg74-04-20.gamb.sbd.smith.93823.sbeok.flac16 jg74-04-20.gasb.sbd.tamarkin.20699.sbeok.shnf jg74-04-27.oaitw.aud.unknown.21525.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-04.jgms.sbd.gmb.90003.sbeok.flac16 jg74-06-04.jgms.sbd.unknown.6379.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-05.jgms.s2.sbd.jjoops.8062.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-06.jgms.aud.falanga.jjoops.6375.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-12.gasb.aud.falanga.moore.berger.83232.sbeok.flac16 jg74-06-12.gasb.sbd.jupille.83290.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-12.gasb.sbd.shriver-jjoops.7331.sbeok.shnf jg74-06-13.gasb.sbd.jjoops.13768.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-02.jgms.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.14984.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-03.jgms.aud.jazzy.6611.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-03.jgms.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.14985.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-12.jgms.aud.falanga.jupille.8072.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-13.jgms.sbd.misshn.25623.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-22.jgms.sbd.gmb.86198.sbeok.flac16 jg74-07-22.jgms.sbd.sacks.10127.sbeok.shnf jg74-07-22.jgms.sbd.unknown.4488.sbeok.shnf Installment Three: jg74-08-09.jgms.aud.falanga.jjoops.8073.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-11.jgms.aud.falanga.warner.jjoops.6382.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-15.jgms.aud.falanga.8650.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-23.jgms.aud.unknown.9416.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-24.jgms.sbd.jjoops.10612.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-30.jgms.sbd.sacks.6380.sbeok.shnf jg74-08-31.jgms.aud.falanga.8078.sbeok.shnf jg74-09-02.jgms.sbd.gkelley.8652.sbefail.shnf jg74-09-02.jgms.sbd.sterchele.76174.sbeok.shnf jg74-09-02.jgms.sbd.unknown.31903.sbeok.flac16 jg74-10-04.jgms.aud.falanga.jjoops.8649.sbeok.shnf jg74-10-05.jgms.aud.falanga.warner.8665.sbeok.shnf jg74-10-06.jgms.partial.sbd.unknown.9026.sbeok.shnf jg74-10-27.jgms.late.aud.powell.ladner.23676.sbeok.shnf jg74-10-31.jgms.sbd.cousinit.19436.sbeok.shnf Installment Four: jg74-11-05.jgms.early.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.16806.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-05.jgms.early.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.16806.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-05.jgms.early.aud.moore.minches.jjoops.16806.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-07.jgms.early.aud.moore.weiner.jjoops.14306.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-08.jgms.aud.moore.9711.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-08.jgms.aud.moore.jjoops.16839.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-08.jgms.sonyecm.moskal.94547.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-09.jgms.late.slabicky.jjoops.8661.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-10.jgms.sbd.lemarre.18202.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-10.jgms.sbd.unknown.95767.sbeok.flac16 jg74-11-13.jgms.early.aud.uher.siniawski.merin.10128.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-14.jgms.early.aud.warburton.weiner.jjoops.16461.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-14.jgms.late.aud.uher.siniawski.merin.6383.sbeok.shnf Installment Five: jg74-11-15.jgms.late.sbd.lai.4487.sbefail.shnf jg74-11-15.jgms.sbd.late.misshn.8071.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-16.jgms.aud.early.moore.minches.jjoops.16808.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-16.jgms.aud.late.moore.minches.jjoops.16809.sbeok.shnf jg74-11-27.jgms.sbd.gems.91343.sbeok.flac16 jg74-11-27.jgms.sbd.partial.gems.89216.sbeok.flac16 jg74-11-28.jgms.sbd.gmb.85987.sbeok.flac16 jg74-11-28.jgms.sbd.lai.4486.sbefail.shnf jg74-12-15.jgms.sbd.jjoops.8177.sbeok.shnf jg74-12-28.jgms.aud.misshn.24317.sbeok.shnf jg74-12-29.jgms.early.aud.disalvo.taperpat.93978.sbeok.flac16 jg74-12-29.jgms.late.shure.disalvo.jjoops.8643.sbeok.shnf jg74-12-29.jgms.shure.cbass.17019.sbeok.shnf May the music live on...Peace UJ. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

Are there really vines that have been downloaded as mp3 and encoded it flac? I use Cool Edit Pro to find this out when I download. If a file has already been changed to mp3 it doesn't improve when its coverted back. If people do not check for this, music can really get polluted! If its in mp3 format so be it, everyone will know what they are getting. Please do not them back to flac.

sorry for the negativity...I've said my peace and will now get out. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

and that's great of him, Brother...I'm not at all saying his contributions aren't appreciated...quite to the contrary....it's his critical actions are what I take issue with....perhaps I'm just interpreting his post(s) wrong....his posts, in conjunction with his past comments towards me, have certainly shaped my opinion of him....perhaps I'm being too harsh but even after re-reading his post I still get the same vibes...I do *hope* I'm wrong. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

enough with the posturing and name-calling. Let a thousand flowers bloom. Thank you.

i musta missed sumpin....dont remember anybody insulting any body...i do know erickat has sent me copies of shows as i am too dense to figure out how to copy this stuff. thanx man!

Raise your hand if you truly *missed* Erickat while he was "gone"? Perhaps he rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning with his unjust and prejudice actions towards me (with no apology).... but I just get blow-hard vibes from virtually *all* of his comments... (i.e. "I've been here, and have been listening, and responding and will continue, dispite the lack of "superstar" status that has been conferred upon some who have arrived after me & sought the limelight to their own supplication - e.g. putting their name into each vine they seed, even if it's a group effort.") Nobody's trying to steal your "limelight" Bro...and you are/were hardly a "superstar"....Dstache takes that cake...he has streamlined the vining process and at the same time he's caught it up with the times (someone had to do it)...you're vining, and probably living, in the past, Man. Times have changed since that picture was taken... ;) Don't be mistaken though my fellow music lover...your logic is valid....but only in the days of Great Wizards and Masters, neither of which apply to this century or to reality in general. Sorry if you do not feel as important or relevent as you have in the past but that is something only you have control of...it's *your* legacy, and yours alone...live and let live...If you don't want to sign up for specific vines, don't. But insulting and demeaning comments towards individuals who have done absolutely nothing to you to warrant such actions is immature and honestly makes me wanna vomit. I have contributed my 2 cents and hope they are well spent. ...I would like to give a special thank you to Dstache for all he has done for my, and many's, collection of Good Ol' Grateful Dead!!!! I (we) now have a collection that will last the test of time without having to spend hours of our time trying to obtain it....now we can use that time to ENJOY it!!!! And for that, "Great Wizard"...your "apprentices" are....eternally grateful. anywho...back to LIFE. :) and try to smile a lil bit...it feels MUCH better :)

On shn/flac.net that have been downloaded from archives.org as mp3 , then converted to lossless re-uploaded to shn/flac as lossless .. That one kinda gets me wondering uumm whats the point in downloading mp3 converting to LL then spend twice the time or more to download it from shn/flac as shn/flac. I can just download the mp3 then convert it to shn/flac myself ,.? thats a whole lot of time converting downloading/uploading , so how much if any data is lost doing things this way ?

Raise your hand if you've circulated a Vine with an mp3 suffix converted to a wav, shn or flac?