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    marye
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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • UncleJon
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    Well said Cosmic! After all the years of trying to get the highest generation tapes it is so amazing that we can now get the original recordings at the same quality as a first generation tape, all in the blink of an eye. Everyone, please don't convert back and forth from FLAC/WAV to MP3 and back again unless it is solely for your own personal use. When you do convertback and forth what goes missing is the high and low end range of the music. MP3 essentially chops off half the sound so it can compress the files and fit them onto your ipod, etc. The hardcore traders can analyze this and see that the dynamic range has been cut off. The reason all this works is because as we get older we lose the ability to hear some of that range, but simply put, the music isn't as pure as the day it was played anymore - you are only robbing yourself! I'm not trying to be a taper snob, I have been known to use MP3 to burn discs for long road trips, etc. Much easier to manage. But, when at home, it is FLAC all the way... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I don`t trade mp3 , just use it for my own personal . I prefer to store everything in shn/flac.(if it comes that way) plus shn/flac takes up less space on the old hard drive . Thank you for the imfo CB . Thank you too Hal .
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    you can have WAV discs with itunes
    Click Edit, then preferences, , then advanced, then importing, then on import using you can set on WAV encoder. I use Traders Litlle Helper and then burn discs using this method, also make sure and set for no gaps between songs. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    If you get sent wav files on CD and want to make CD copies there is absolutely no need to convert them to MP3s and then back to wavs.There are plenty of programmes (such as EAC) that will just let you rip the files and then reburn them directly as wavs. The trading community strongly discourages (to say the least) converting wavs or flacs to MP3 and then converting back to wav and other formats. Why? Because people have gone to all the trouble to unearth and prepare digital copies of all these shows and to distribute them so that every copy is the same quality as the original (using lossless formats such as wav or flac). If you convert these to MP3s for your ipod that is fine, but there will be some loss of quality. If you then covert them back to wav (or flac) you lose even more quality. If you then trade those copies you are putting inferior quality versions of shows back into circulation. Having finally got the means to avoid the loss of quality across generations, we should all try to use it. Indeed the trading community also tries to discourage seeding shows saved as wavs. Ideally all trading would be from flac to flac. Similarly if you receive flacs you can either -copy the flacs to your hdd and play them using programme like foobar2000 -Convert them to wavs using traders little helper and then burn them onto CDs -Convert them to MP3s for use on ipods etc....but these should not be traded. It is best to keep a copy of the flacs to use for trading and as a back up. Then if you lose any shows you have an original quality back up standing by. You can see a better and brief explanation of this here http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio or visit the various forums in etree
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    i agree....
    for collection purposes I prefer FLAC but I always convert another copy to mp3 so i can load up a fatty disc chock full of dank shows and just groove all day without breaking the flow of energy by changing discs....kills the bzzzzzzzzzzz "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    I hav`nt noticed difference
    in quality of sound . in fact I have some cd`s burned in data format where i have numerous shows burned on one disc .I used both windows media and i-tunes for that. one disc plays for hours, but only on my computer.mp3 discs only seem to play in select newer cd players.data discs only on the computer. but hey it sounds grate to my old ears . peace..
  • fluffhead042
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    I recommend...
    switch sound file converter trader'slittle helper FLAC Frontend "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    The reason I ask
    Is because when I get an audio CD vine, the easiest thing to do is rip it to iTunes. But you know, it then is converted to mp3. So I was wondering if folks then go through the hassle to convert back to wav when you want to burn yourself a CD? I actually do not like iTunes' CD burner so I use a different program. Anyways just thought I'd see what you all do out there in vine land.... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    I tried TLH
    It said that it gave errors but it looks (sounds) like it worked to me?? I always wondered what the difference was between burning wav vs mp3 onto a CD?? I was under the impression that wav sounded better than mp3 (on a CD anyways)... but I am really not hearing a difference.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • stuman
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    Have you try`d traders little helper ? I know I can convert wav to mp3 , that fits an entire show on one disc that way .
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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This is the most current vinedex I can find. You have to scroll down the thread to find the listing. http://www.dead.net/forum/vindex Looks like a previous update. Best Wishes-Jimmy
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as posted, the vindex is missing CB's latest update. The search box is turning up no results for a lot of things. I use that to track down vines (easier than thumbing through all the listings and pages). Also my 1969 Lossless Part 5 thread is unable to be found. I posted a lil over a week ago if there was no movement on that then I would reseed it. I guess I'll let things settle for little while longer and hope it all works out. Btw I copied CB's vindex and have it saved as a txt file if anyone needs that since he may be busy to repost it.
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the search errors too was searching for those E72 tour pages that were posted in April and May the ones with track-listing as well as links to one of the songs... gone?
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I will update it and repost in the next week if it does not reappear
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I suppose an update is needed already due to the massive amount of new vines that have been started since summer (including a nearly complete 1982 year and a nice healthy dose of 1976)
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The bicentennial grateful dead vine won't allow me to post. I received it yday. I've been working like crazy lately (11pm last night) but will be able to start ripping it tomorrow. Will update, hopefully on the thread, when it is ready to go.
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Alright now, starting to feel like the dead letter office in my house. I am holding a lot of vines right now that no one else has signed up for. If you are interested in any of these, paste the link to get to the vine, sign yourself up and PM me your address. Let’s keep this stuff moving along, OK? Peace, JP 1969 Lossless Part 2 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/1969-lossless-part-2-vine 1969 Lossless Part 2 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/1969-lossless-part-4-vine August 1971 Vine Part 1 (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/august-1971-vine-part-1 Old and In the Way Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/old-and-way-vine Three from 1975 Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/three-1975-vine 1977 Lossless Vine Part 1 (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/1977-lossless-vine-part-1 1977 Lossless Vine Part 2 http://www.dead.net/forum/1977-lossless-vine-part-2-5-3-5-26 Pomo1's 78 Flash-back Vine (1978) http://www.dead.net/forum/pomo1s-78-flash-back-vine Merriweather 1983 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/merriweather-1983-vine Greek 84 Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/greek-84-vine 20 Years So Far: Summer '85 Part 1-The Greeks http://www.dead.net/forum/20-years-so-far-summer-85-part-1-greeks 20 Years So Far: Summer '85 Part 2-Wisconsin and Ohio http://www.dead.net/forum/20-years-so-far-summer-85-part-2-wisconsin-an… Colorado 87 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/colorado-august-1987-vine Dylan-Dead Rehearsals Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dylan-dead-rehearsals-vine The Dead 2/14/2003 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-2-14-2003-vine The Dead 7/10/03 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-7-1-03-vine Fleetwood Mac vine http://www.dead.net/forum/fleetwood-mac-vine FWGV Vine Installment #1 (Jefferson Airplane and Fleetwood Mac) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-1 FWGV Vine Installment #3 (Cream, Byrds, Yardbirds) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-3 FWGV Vine Installment #5 (Doors and Pearl Jam) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-5 Neil Young Prairie Wind Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/neil-young-prairie-wind-vine Pink Floyd Part 3 Vine (1971, 1977, 1980) http://www.dead.net/forum/pink-floyd-part-3-vine The Big Led Balloon 12-10-07 Vine (Led Zep) (reseed) 1 DVD [Includes LZ show plus bonus Hendrix, Airplane, Doors] http://www.dead.net/forum/big-led-balloon-12-10-07-vine-led-zep
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Have been gone for about a month moving to a new apartment. Hope all is well and everyone had a great summer. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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These two at least have vanished. I cannot enter the second one in the Vindex as it is recent. Have notfied Marye. 1969 Lossless Part 5 Bi-Centennial Grateful Dead Vine
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Now the Vindex is getting so huge and seems to have been eliminated from this site, I am planning a new way of sharing it, which is intended to be easier for me, easier for folks to scan and analyse and that will not clog up the site. I am posting a link to a place where you can read a simple spreadsheet online with the VIndex on it. It includes a whole lot more useful info too, including a list of all the shows the GD ever played and dates of all official releases. The link is here. Please tell me if it works OK https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApYQXLRMperodHNXcXhNYjdpWH… thanks CB
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Thanks very much Mr. Badger!! Any chance you can export this data to Microsoft Excel? My attempts have been unsuccessful so far. Best Wishes and Thank You Very Much!!! Jimmy
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we are having some site weirdness, which I've reported to Darren. Strangely enough, the Vindex is perfectly visible in the editor, but everything I've tried to make it visible in real life has failed. Including posting it as a new comment. We're working on this, but in the meantime, it is a good thing that another solution exists. Sorry for the trouble.
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yep, my photos that I uploaded are gone..or hidden :-)
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I reported that too.
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Hey, this vine is not lost. I have it. I received it on Tue. The link for the thread does not work. MaryE, if you have a chance, please check on that. If the person who is next in line knows they are next in line, please PM me with your info and it will be sent out to you on Tue. Thanks!
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...a PM response from Pomo1 that 1969 part 5 will be on the move shortly.
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I was able to get a copy of the new vinedex in Excel format. Thanks to the Cosmic Badger for his great efforts. Also thanks to zepthompson for the conversion!! Have a Euro72 weekend!! Best Wishes-Jimmy
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I did not mean to suggest that these two vines are physically lost 1969 Lossless Part 5 Bi-Centennial Grateful Dead Vine it's just that the pages that feature them here have disappeared (at least that was the case yesterday) . All part of the weirdness being investigated by MaryE.
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Gotcha, thanks!
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You probably should have received the 1969 Part 5 vine by now. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I have not received it as of this morning.
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Maybe I'm slow ... I don't know, but maybe there are others who don't know this: If you PM'd someone and you're not sure if they've read your message yet, go to your "sent" folder. If they haven't opened your message yet, the word "new" will appear in red in the subject line (just like when you go to your inbox and you have new messages). Kida like getting a read receipt. OK, maybe this doesn't seem like a big deal, BUT it does tell you if someone is no longer active in the Vineyard, which could stop vines from dying. For example: there is someone who hasn't opened ANY of my messages since February. If he follows me on the list, I know not to send him the vine. Make sense? New to the 21st century, Chris
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I didn't know this, frisco, thanks
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I'm posting my thoughts regarding each show in the respective threads (go to "Shows & Lyrics" on the left, just under "Features") if anyone is interested. I've listened to the first 3 nights, grading 4/7 & 4/8 as 8.5 out of 10 overall, and 4/11 as 9 out of 10. I'm not a musician so my musical vocabulary is pretty limited, though as you all know I've listened to my fair share of Dead shows.
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and actually arriving on people's doorsteps, I have retired the vines containing material from the Europe 72 tour. In some cases this is a matter of a single show and the vine could be re-seeded without the show in question. EXCEPT. I have not retired the videos for the time being. Had there been video in the box set, this would have been another story, but for the moment, there doesn't seem to be a compelling issue. Feel free to play it with the relevant CD from the box set cranked up...
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and thank you CB for new vindex. Sorry I haven't been around in awhile guys. I keep saying the vines I have are gonna move shortly and there should be no reason in delaying any longer the vines that I have.
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Many of you know Johnman, His family is losing his house. Any donations would be appreciated directly to him. You can PM him or PM me for the address.. I know this is off-topic but there are some good souls here on this thread who are kind.
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Hey folks , i am having trouble finding traders little helper , i know its strange.. can someone post a link to the latest version for windows 7 ? Thank you .. And that really bites abt Johnman,, wish i could help but i am still digging myself out of a huge hole.. My thoughts and best wishes are with him.. Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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i will give it a try.. Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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recently, the vineyard, and some vines in particular, have been hit these unwanted phantom solicitations
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In my opinion the vine should keep going. Some of us couldn't get the box set because dead.net can't figure out how to transcribe credit card and address info. Or how to save it to their database. I didn't sign up for that vine because I stupidly assumed I would be getting the box. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"
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the deal with tape trading (and its digital counterpart) being allowed on this site is that once something is in commercial release, it stops being traded here. The All The Music set is in commercial release and not in limited edition, therefore the Europe 72 set is off limits. I am sorry for your order hassles. I am doing what I can to help you with them. But it was not exactly a slam dunk to have tape trading allowed on this site at all, and this is a very bright line governing its being allowed. Thank you.
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I have been holding up a few vines due to some crazy overtime @ work that was unexpected. They WILL be moving on by Monday. Liberty #1 and #2 Closing of the Spectrum sorry again.
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I was just venting. That's all I can do because I am completely powerless in this situation. It's frustrating. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"
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and believe me I am bumming on your behalf.
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been busy, tired, and a little lazy...I am holding up 2 vines, and they will be out this week: '76 and Kingfish
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and I guess a few others too. Can we start a mutual support group?
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the new decade, new vines topic is missing. It has posts from some vine. However, I do like the new formatting of the site.
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this new format is killin' me eyes....when are "they" going to stop messin' around with the site? ;-)
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Is this going to come back? For example when you could search and sort only vines for example?
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What happened? There must have been 10 pages of posts on that day. All the vine threads are buried beneath that stuff. It makes searching difficult to impossible... :(
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that are only in the Vineyard? (for example) that seems pretty straightforward to me. What am I missing? There are a number of new capabilities, and I'm trying to figure out if some of the old ones exist at all or in somewhat different forms, but topic selection seems to be okay. Topic EXCLUSION seems to be slightly more problematical and I'm still looking into that one... Also the mysterious disappearance of New Decade, New Vines, but hey, failing all else we can always start a new one for that; I don't think we had any new vines pending because of all the upheaval anyway. And if we did, You Know Who You Are.
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But I don't see where you can sort the forums into the vineyard only. The 'sort window thing' used to be on the top of the page and I don't see it anymore. I could be as sharp as a marble or just blind.