Grateful Dead

interesting selection pity i will never hear it Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam

The 4/7 Sugaree from last week doesn't play, just Greatest Story. Can this be reposted?

thanks dave,enjoyed last week's selection and look forward to checking out this week.thanks for all you do and don't let the whiners bring you down.keep up the good work.

we surely deserve an explanation and/or some clear answer here, after last week post by DL and the overwhelmingly negative comments; those issues won't go away by themselves, and our word of mouth is still a powerful force of viral marketing...

30 yrs ago today! No mention. Not the first time.

i am done with this...might well drop the "Tapers Section"

It would be a little redundant to mention Englishtown when it was already released as Dicks Picks...who doesn't own it? Who cares? Most of us folks couldn't hear the stream anyway! Might as well discontinue this section, it serves no purpose other than rub our faces into it.

that he misses as much as he hits, ala spring '76. I care. An important show from '77? It's the most edited DP and yes I own it and was at it! It isn't redundant, it fits with the mold: This tour was continuing and they played...

Gr8ful Today I commemorate a wonderful memory of a great 3 set masterpiece by the Dead in Boulder. God bless everyone who was there > I'll visit 9/21-22 for the CU-Miami game and hope for another rain shower and a free bag of pot during some special moment. The Other One is beyond compare, except for a the Harding from 1971, maybe. Nothing like the Phil bomb leading-in. Thanks David for the 9/3/72 filler on a recent Dick's Picks (Philly 9/21/72). Keep working on finding good sound from the Saenger 10/18-19/80, por favor.

thanks David! I was hoping this being a holiday and all wouldn't keep the new tunes away.

it being a holiday and all..........................................i miss the jerry probably as much as any of you out there.....................we are still here on this web site expressing how we all feel.........................listening ...........listening...........it may be cliche..................but..................there is still nothing in the universe quite like a dead concert.....................may you all have a grateful non-working day..............love to you all.........................craig maceachern

We have a tremendous variety of music for you this week, spanning almost 20 years of the Grateful Dead’s recorded history, and we hope you’ll find this week’s journey as enjoyable as we did while preparing it for you. This has to be the biggest crock of bullshit I'v ever heard, enjoyable.... you must really love yourself( David Lemieux).

Always good to read the history; I'll try to dig out some old tapes to listen to while reading. Greg SC

....for suggestions for next week I nominate the "Eyes of The World" from 9/11/74. Love that streched out intro. Maybe some some of the preceding "Seastones" too. When I first took up tape trading in 1995, set 2 of 9/3/85 was the very first show I traded for. Very interesting set. Jerry sounds like he's dying at the end of Cryptical when he wails "you know he had to diieeeeeeeee....." Love that "Midnight Hour" from 1967. Thanks!

Just because some folks can't be bothered to stream them doesn't mean the rest of us should miss out . It's been two weeks since the MP3's went away. Hopefully we won't have another 15 pages of bitching... Time to make peace with the decision it and move on.

Sorry, but this new Taper's Section format is absolutely useless now........I'll check here once a week just out of morbid curiosity, nothing more. START RELEASING SHOWS!!!

The gist of the matter really does boil down to "What's the matter with the baby?" Let's ask ourselves: "Does this matter?" Well, the obvious answer is, "Of course". So, back to basics... Let's post THIS set for everybody: "Music>Matter>Musing>Mutation>Money>Marketing>Masterbation" Dig, this is about it, David. How can Izzie be so nice, while we all get jacked arouded?

I STILL CAN'T HEAR A THING! Not on any of my home PC's, not on my work laptop. Nothing, no where no how. This new format is a waste of time for everyone involved. It stinks. It is limiting. It is punitive to the loyal fans. It is irritating to all who visit here. It is just plain wrong no matter how you look at it. Either drop this from the site or change it but something needs to happen. This is pissing me off that there are golden nuggets out there and I can't get to them. Better they were not there in the first place. Please David - a little love.. please!

Thank you very much again and again. David is doing a great job and I know he's doing all he can to bring great music to us. Please forgive my fellow deadheads for their misunderstandings. I know making an official statement may actually hurt us more than help, Im sure David and crew are doing all they can to make us happy.

Nice selections this week.....indeed ((((Positive)))) ((((David Lemieux)))) I Love the Music.....

Folks, I just came that way. I'm just nice, often to a fault. My apologies if somehow my not pissing and moaning is harshing on your choice to feel the way you do. It seems to me that a decision was made that had very little to do with how anyone at the customer base feels. It doesn't look like it was a personal attack against the Deadhead community from some evil overlords at Rhino, and I honestly don't understand why so many people seem to be taking it personally. Maybe, just maybe, it's a decision that had to be bigger than the customer base here? Maybe, just maybe, it ain't all about us? And really, about all the bitching, name-calling, hateful rhetoric and other generally unpleasant horseshit sprung from the beating of that poor dead horse, if it was going to make a difference, don't you think the difference would have been made by now? If you haven't added your rant yet, do you really think your voice is going to be the magic one to turn the tide here? Why add to the hate?

Friends I bring you the sad news that I have been fired from RICHER DONORS for trying to sneak into the vault with my new hard drive, but at some considerable personal risk I can reveal what I know of the current plans Work is progressing on a new project called ‘Rockin’ Rappin’ Bobby’, a collection of Mr Weir’s cowboy songs and rockers as interpreted by some of today’s hottest rap stars (dead or alive). For the first 44 buyers there will be a special bonus disc titled ‘Rose’s Back Door’, comprising 18 remixes of ‘El Paso’ by some highly regarded dance DJs from Central Europe. Also in the pipeline “Empty Cup”, a collection of Jerry Set 2 ballads, given a contemporary feel with some tasteful overdubs by Kenny G and string arrangements by Terrapin Station maestro Paul Buckmeister. The bonus disk for pre –orders will be ‘Hang Loose’, a searchable DVD audio database of every stage announcement ever made by the band All these new titles will be available for $23.99. Shipping will be $4.99 in the US and, by special arrangement with our shippers, a very reasonable $79.99 in the rest of the world (wherever that is). The new CDs will also be promoted in a round the clock infomercial presented by recently unemployed celebrities Tony Bliar and John Notlob, featuring a live satellite link with DeadHead favourite Lily Allen, face down in a bar in London Town. That's all for now. You will be relieved to hear that I will be away from this site for a while now because some work has come in at last and I need to earn some money for these new releases take care everyone

tj crowley did kinda expect some sort of a response (other than the pre-arranged response 'we' were supplied) from those behind the wheel. love 'LLR' 'other one' 'palying' but will not get to hear due to lack of setting to do so. not accessable from at work (which is where i am presently) and no access at home due to memebrs that live in the house with me - daughter 32 (and her daughter 7) son 21, son 10, wife ? who all believe that they have rughts to the computor. dis-appointed that this eems to have from a family like setting with a bond that has been built over the years to a simply business like venture w/o any inter-persoanl skills. oh well

"you can't go back and you can't stand still" here we go all over again...all the whiners still keep banging their heads into nothing. Either get over the stream change, or get lost. We don't need to hear about it every week for the rest of our lives. GET OVER IT OR GET LOST! How a bunch of grown ups can act like such babies is above me. dave, you are doing a fine job. Thanks again for doing what you do! Some choice selections this week. Look foward to next week, although i'm not looking foward to hearing more babies whining and crying.

Don't punch a gift horse in the mouth.....-----ancient chinese proverb

RHINOgate.... 'nuff said.

First the SBD where removed from the Archives, now this...it just stinks. I am sorry, i don't hate anybody, and i am not calling anybody names...but i am saying i feel disrespected after following the band for over 30 years and spending lots of my hard earned money to line their coiffures. But i am just saying clearing so the people who made the decision know...i for one will not spend another penny as long as i am treated this way. thats all...

Get over it! Move on! Great streams!!!! Thanks for the Brent tease!! Keep the tunes comming, maybe someday the Whiners will go away. MEAN PEOPLE SUCK

Sorry, Iz ! HAhahahahhehehe, didn't know you were sensitivo to stuff. But, if we don't have a right to SAY anything about this place, why not? SURE, it's all a waste of time. SURE, it's all a big bummer, but, I'm so dizzy, Ms. Izzie... What happened to Phil's idea: Terrapin? Is this all there is? See, the sky, it surely looks like rain...

. . . rage, rage against the dying of the light." Of course we keep voicing our disappointment, because that's how change happens. If people are angry it's because they don't understand the erratic nature of this organization. Now it's GDradio, and already people are curious about whether it's alright to record the Hollywood Bowl '74 show that will be the inagural broadcast. If we do, will we lose that avenue as well? I'm bummed that after purchasing "Steppin' Out" which is great but is, let's face it, a compilation, more and more of Wembly Stadium is coming out that I simply can't hear. Why was it wrong to download a couple of tunes to complete a compilation that I paid good money for?

"If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will." believe this might be copped from, "instant karma's gonna get you." i really don't think you need to resort to calling names. whiners and crybabies? are you in second grade, or what? if you haven't noticed, a lot of people are pissed off. you don't need to add to the tension. go somewhere else with your name calling. we don't need it, nor do we respect it. as for cosmicbadger: where do i submit my credit card info? i'm told that there is a new compilation, "Englebert Humperdink covers the Dead," coming out shortly. perhaps you know of it?

Izzie and all-From where I sit, I think that this isn't just about the 'downloads', its about a series of losses that this community has experienced and some of us have got stuck in that space. Jerry's death, deadlive.com.'s demise, special friend's passing on, whatever is going on with the strange that remain (Phil & Bob-Mickey, Billy, bandwise, future music etc.), etc., etc. And the stark reminder that the official access to the Dead's body of music is limited and was just constricted further. Hey, I must admit, I never downloaded from the Taper's Section. I am too old school, (couldn't quite figure it out, Flintsonian computer skills, also I procrastinated with having one of my sons show me, another lost opportunity...) so that puts me back into that spot to interact with others and trade (Hey Fred?) for some of those tasty tidbits from the past. I can see that people got used to that monday 'dance' and unfortunately we are definately creatures of habit, and this loss/change shocked and dismayed. As a community we have weathered changes, reached out and helped one another, and sometimes, just sometimes, we can make our future sweeter. I am not sure about all this, it is just a little look into our collective psyche, my humble guess (oroboros psychology), it is another transition, and hopefully good things are on the horizon, I just have to work to do my part. And to recognize what I can do to make things better and then do it. I can't tell anyone else what to do, there is no balm for the broken heart, scorn in and of itself is rarely productive and really only when both parties care about one another and are willing to then give "only love can fill'. From where I sit, this relationship with Rhino is a brand new trip. I'm sure that they are not used to me (is my wife after 27 years?) and I am sure not used to things now. Because it entails change. 'Everytime that wheel goes round, bound to cover just a little more ground' Take care. Tim

Step One: Stop saying that people who are upset with the downloads stopping are bad and that the people who are okay with it are good. Step Two: Release some shows. On CD or even better, LP. I have money to give to you to buy these things, yet, you don't seem to want to offer any more. It's really sad and it kind of makes me wonder if the entire Dead organisation isn't just sitting in an ivory tower laughing at us while they count money and shift in and out of being reptiles. Well, I'm going to follow the Dead's business model and open a store and then start a radio station devoted to the store that only .5% have access to and then not sell anything else. But yeah, I'm a bad guy for not bowing to GDP on this issue. Cripes.

Ah, yes, the familiar pattern from the Archive Incident and from numerous flaps over at the old DNC. First a Happening, then complainers, and then people complaining about the complainers. Well, can I now complain about the people complaining about the complainers? "David" 's special message last week included this at the end: "Where we’re at today requires us to step back, gather some information, do some thinking and get back to you." I think this is more than enough justification for many of us to expect some sort of further response on this matter--maybe this week would have been a little soon to hope for something, but you can't blame us for tuning in this Monday expecting to learn something new. And it's not exactly playing nice to call us whiners if we're disappointed when we don't. I agree, Steve-O: mean people suck. Also, leaving aside the whole question of disappointment over the loss of the downloads, there's still the problem of the streams not working for so many people (and that includes me). Is that not a valid reason for posting?

I am personally over the download thing; hey, it was good while it lasted, but all good things must come to an end. I only wish the heads would have taken a little more of the high road in this thing, rather than all of the personal attacks. But what's done is done. I myself am probably just going to think twice before making any future purchases of new releases by Rhino (Dead or otherwise). And I now find myself coming back to this site less and less (and less). I remember when John Fogerty sold his copyrights to some market driven company, he wouldn't play any of his Credence songs for years, as I believe he used to say, "hey, I don't feel like putting another tank of gas in some rich guy's Mercedes." That might be something to hang our heads on in this thing. Where do I see the future of the GD movement going? well, when talking to some young people, you'll start hearing more and more, "the Grateful Dead, what band is that?" The good news is, Phil's tour will soon be cranking up, and he will be selling downloads of all his shows (probably give away one free-bee, as well). Greg SC

http://www.dead.net/forum/stream-lacking-paddle This is a new forum to help people get the streaming audio to work. Post there if the streams won't load for you, and with a little luck, we'll be able to straighten it out together. This is not a new forum for bitching or whatever about the lack of downloads.

Thanks for this week's great releases David. It's a shame fewer people can access it all now that the format has changed, but I know you're trying to bring out new music. I bet you have a list of stuff you want to release. I'm just hoping Rhino isn't dictating to you what it wants to sell - God help us if you lose control over what comes out of the vault. Does anyone know if the new Sirius radio thing will be available in Australia? I'm guessing no. I could read the pages and pages of fine print but I have other things I'd rather do. I really don't get the point of any Dead product (e.g. unreleased shows) being sold anywhere other than on dead.net. Surely it makes sense for the official website to sell new shows? I think they may have missed the boat as far as streaming radio goes anyway. Dead Heads would rather the shows were sold as downloads so they can actually listen to them when they feel like (as music should always be), make audio CDs out of them or put them on mp3 players. What good is a streaming audio show, probably unmastered, that plays at 4 o'clock in the morning local time (for me in Australia that is)? It just seems like they've gone to easy option - get someone else to play the shows - which will backfire on them and us in the end since only relatively few of us get to hear it, meaning they'll make less money from it, so are discouraged from releasing more shows. We've already showed that we want downloads if Rhino only wants to sell downloads instead of actual CDs. Jeffrey Norman and David L were doing a great job at putting out different releases from different periods. I think Rhino doesn't understand that if they release a desirable release, Dead Heads will all buy it. Of course we aren't going to go through the back catalogue - most of us have what we want out of it. Rhino has to release NEW things (i.e. not repackaged Vault releases with bonus material that was on previous releases). As many have pointed out, the longer it takes, the less interested Dead Heads will be. There's always somewhere else to get the music - that's the legacy of this band, so Rhino has to be aware of that, rather than treat the vault like any other band's.

For all those who are OK with the changes, get out of your McMansion, hop in your Hummer and cruise over to Starbucks and get your fix of corporate BS...real effective use of the vault to cobble together a greatest hits compilation for some soccer moms to sip their latte's by, cause I am sure there are no live tracks on there. Once the big Hollywood movie comes out about Garcia he will be the flavor of the month just like Ray Charles and Johnny Cash, too bad they garnered more popularity after they died. I don't like pop-culture, nor will I roll over take it, as long as I voice left I'll complain.

NOT even a mention of the loss of downloading capabilitiesthats crazzzy What a powerhouse playing in the band though great great nice job dave Pittt heads? SOME FOLKS LOOK FOR ANSWERS OTHERS LOOK FOR FIGHTS I can tell your future Look what's in your hand But I can't stop for nothing I'm just playing in the band

Don't bitch at David, he's just doing his job. If you're gonna bitch, bitch at Rhino, I'm sure it's their call, not David's.

Thanks again David for these great nuggets from 4/7/72 - But last week's combination of Greatest Story > Sugaree only streams Greatest Story. I'll take what I can get, but it would sure be appreciated if Sugaree could be reposted, corrected...anything. Thanks again !!

I've been thinking . . . Why did Rhino acquire everything in the first place? I've been looking for old news articles on this, but maybe someone can enlighten me. Should I assume that that the original GDP with the Dicks Picks and download series was /unprofitable/? If that was truly the case, then there are two possibilities: Either GDP was inefficiently managed, and could have continued to sell the same obscure concerts with only a minor restructuring...or, it could even be that selling obscure concerts to a small number of diehard fans can never be profitable. : ( I dearly hope it's the former. If it's the latter . . . well, then the fans might need to take things into their own hands if they want the Deadhead spirit to continue.

are out there for both streams that don't work and the Starbucks release, which does happen to have a disc of all live material. (even for those of us in tiny studio apartments and driving beat to shit pick up trucks....)

Why? Why does anyone have to explain anything to any of you? Well, I've loved the band for years, well I buy a lot of recordings, well because it's what I feel is the right thing to do, well they took the recordings away from archive,... Get over all of it and get over yourselves. Guess what, it's there music, they can do whatever they want. Period. Instead of being thankful that there are resources like this to hear tasty gems, all you want to do is complain because it's not the way you want it to be. Welcome to this little thing called life, it's not fair all of the time. What makes this worse, is you can still listen to all of these great songs, but once again, if it's not the exact way you want it, well then I'll just complain and resort to name calling. Of course we have to hear, this would not make Jerry happy. Well, how do you know, did you personally know him? Oh, wait you've read a few quotes from him that gave you a keen insight into his mind, so you know exactly what he would think. And of course, I have to read well Jerry said when we're done with it, it's theirs. Yeah he said that back in the early 70's, and I'm sure with the keen insight everyone has into Jerry's mind, they know exactly what he meant and that he never changed his mind. Back to the point that it's still available, how hard is it to click on the song link, pick whether you want to use quicktime or windows media and listen to it? What's worse than that, is the I don't have time to listen to this streaming. Well, if it's important enough to you than you can make time, if not I guess you'll just have to move on. We still have to listen to multiple complaints about Archive.org going away. Listen, there are tons of sources to get copies of pretty much any Dead show that was taped. Not just audience copies, but great soundboard copies. In fact there are several sites that actually have projects where they make every show taped for a particular year available. The best part, it's all free, yes that's right, free. This is all at your fingertips, all it takes is for you to quit being so lazy, take a few minutes and go find it, it's out there. Not to mention that there are 60+ offically released live recordings. But wait, I want the Winterland '73 boxset, not 12/31/76 (which is a great release by the way). Once again, if you really want the 11/73 Winterland run, go find it. I've got all three shows, excellent soundboards, just takes a few minutes to go find the resources to get them. No other band or musician comes close to offering all of this music to listen to, yet look at all the complaining. It's this kind of lazy, complaining, sense of entitlement that gave the scene such a bad rap at the end. With that said, David, thank you for all that you have done and all that you are doing. I am looking forward to your futrue selections for this feature and the future releases you guys are working on.

I thought Davids message last week told us all we need to know for right now! I feel we should just wait and see what happens!! Is there another band out there that allow's as much access to their music as this one! I was dissapointed w/ the removal of the mp3's but i am willing to wait to see how this all plays out and give the GOGD the benefit of the doubt. As far as people having problems with the streaming aspect of it if you don't have a high speed internet connection then you will have trouble. But the music is there if you want it!! Rogue

There are times when you offend me and I do the same to you...if we can't or won't forget it, i guess we could be through.

weren't we alowed to tape in the tapers section?

After wading through so many posts complaining about the changes made, I have to wonder how many have spent years building their collections, spent days waiting for the mail, spent hours making copies of tapes (in real time) just looking for the best version of a particular show? Whatever happened to the vast amounts of patience the Deadheads had while putting together their tape collections? Does the internet enable us all to be victims of instant gratification? Does it foster the belief that once we have possession of a particular show, it is ours, rather than something to share? I must agree with Charlie Miller's post. David Lemieux is the vault archivist. He knows what is and what's not there. And every now and then, he surprises us with a little taste of something that has been assumed to not exist. He had some big shoes to fill after Dick Latvala died and he's doing a damned fine job of filling them. David probably doesn't make policy and a nasty post or complaint is just unnecessary. Rhino has been putting out Grateful Dead music for many years and has done a fine job. Great packaging, wonderful liner notes, and of course the mastering has been superb. I do believe that with the access they now have to the vault and with David Lemieux's archival knowledge, we will be seeing some truly great releases in the future. Just my .02