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  • JackstrawfromC…
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    Any recommendations for MP3 to WAV conversion software?? "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    Sorry about that, fluff. It was LoneStarDarkStar. Looks like he mailed them out sometime after 5/19, Tommo received them, and that Tommo mailed it out after I did my research. Just a little lack of communication there. It had been 3 weeks since there was any apparent movement on that vine so I noted it. But all is well and that vine is continuing to spread.
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    I have already re-seeded More May 77. I will also re-seed one of MitD's stalled vines, Maples Pavillion 2/9/73 (a great show IMHO) and also Lewiston, Maine, 9/6/80, to get things started. Give me a few days to figure out who is next and to PM for addresses. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"
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    (I) Northern New England Wish List: on 5/19 fluffhead420 said he would PM Tommo for his address. Estim8ed was after Tommo. No word. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    thanks again and congratulations on the proper use of the word "perusal." After an exhaustive, and exhausting, perusal of all the Grateful Dead and JGB (and LOM, and Recon, etc) vines, but NOT vines for other bands or even the current incarnation of the boys, here is what I have: (1) For all the trouble we seem to be having, this is an AWESOME place. The MAJORITY of vines are either still alive or have died a natural death, i.e., the last person on the list received it and no one signed up after. My collection has grown by leaps and bounds because of the vineyard. Let's be grateful for what we have. It reminds me of the saying that democracy is the worst form of government, except for every other kind. Sure, we have problems, but all in all this may be the best place for Heads on the internet. (2) Communication is the key. Going through the vines, I noticed the lack of communication. It is difficult to figure out on some of them where the vine died. Post often, post when you receive the vine, post when you mail it out and to whom mailed it. (3) Although I initially disagreed with the recommendation, I now agree that we should PM the person after us, both to confirm they are still active and their address. (4) Emergencies happen. We need to be patient with that. Just let us know and we will be. As we all know, Hal has a family illness. He has a few vines and I am sure we all want him to take whatever time he needs. (5) As I said, sometimes it isn't clear, but when your name appears numerous times it is tough to give you the benefit of the doubt. For example, if 3 different people say they mailed you 3 different vines, and none of the vines turn up again, it is difficult to blame the mail (it DOES happen, but NOT to the same person that many times). (6) The bad guys. No doubt about these characters. They are the Bermuda Triangle of viners. DO NOT SEND THEM ANY MORE VINES UNTIL THEY CLEAR THINGS UP WITH THE COMMUNITY. Do not just send them a PM and ask if they are active; they have caused too many vines to disappear for that. They are vine killers. They have killed before, and they will kill again. (a) Chinacat503 appears to have killed at least 3 vines (Nov 72, Eurovines # 4 & # 5). (b) Markinthedark, once a great viner, appears to have absconded with at least 6 vines (KPFA, Maples 2/9/73, Flac Me Flac You, 12/27/77, Early Stuff Vol 1, 3 and Augusta 10/12/84); (c) gratefulmikes appears to have killed at least 8 vines (funiculi funicula, 93 by request, Legion of Mary, Winterland June 77, NYE 83, Summer 82, Greek 84 and LOM Mystery). NOTE THAT he is signed up to soon receive Europe 74 so heads up birdsong1969nj and Jimbo (unclear who has it right now)!!!! He may also have killed Red Rocks 9/8/83 (or Deadhead Ben never sent it to him) (d) Day Glo Louisville appears to have killed at least 4 vines (Eurovine Acoustic, Garcia/Saunders 73, March 28,31/73, Jerry solo 4/10/82). He is also an interesting person in the Garcia Party disappearance; (e) j.straw (NOT to be confused with jackstrawfromcolorado) seems to have disappeared with at least 5vines (Lewiston 9/6/80, Beacon 6/14/76, Fox 85, 3 from 82 and Hampton 89 reseed) (f) canyon critter seems to have killed at least 4 vines (Acid Test, 1985 vine, History Buffs, and Fillmore East 9/20/70); (g) PAPPYPGH appears to have killed at least 3 vines (Hampton/Harrisburg...84, 2/17/82, JGB 1977 Part 2, Silver Stadium 6/30/88), not to mention the Fall 79 Part 1.5 Rhino fiasco (either Pappy or Solix killed this one, tough to tell who). Pappy also should have recently received the Spring 88 parts 1 and 2 vines (Stephen in PA sent them on 5/28). Finally, he is up soon on More May 77 and JGB Keystone 12/21/79 (DON'T SEND THEM TO HIM!!!!) (7) Guys who have a little explaining to do. I am not sure here whether they have commited multiple vine slayings, or were just irepeatedly n the wrong place at the wrong time. These guys should explain to the community what happened before being welcomed back, but any old explanation will do. (a) Sakparadise is a suspect in at least 2 vine kills (Glen Falls 82, Fall 79 Part 2) and there are some questions about 2 other vines. Sakparadise posted on 4/29 that he would mail out the March 90 vine to Row Timmy. The vine has not been seen since. On 5/20 jackstrawfromcolorado, the good jack straw, posted the he would mail the Pink Floyd vine to sakparadise. That vine hasn't been seen since. It hasn't been that long for Pink Floyd (it was my vine, that is why I looked it up) so it may be ok, and Row Timmy has his issues so it may have been him on March 90. (b) Row Timmy was apparently involved in a couple of mysterious vine disappearances. March 90 discussed above and 3 from 75, which PKpotter said he mailed to Row Timmy on 9/12/08. (c) Brother Tom is suspected in 2 vine slayings. Solix said he mailed Cream Filling 73 to our holy friend. Brother Tom was the last person to receive Matrix Volume 1, and it wasn't until 2months later that anyone else signed up, but he doesn't seem to have passed it on. (d) Deadheadben seems to have slayed the infant Cleveland Convention Center 12/06/73, before it had much of a chance to travel the country. Either he or grateful mikes killed Red Rocks 9/8/83. And either he or Hard To Handle killed Sante Fe 83. (8) Guys who had minor hiccups [hopefully) (a) my friend Dave C was the last to have Early 69 (shoot, don’t know what volume this was, sorry) (posted 5/13) and should have received Early Stuff Vol 2 (unclejon posted on 5/20 that he mailed it out). Dave C posted that he had computer problems. I am sure he either sent these vines on and didn’t post (here, another call for communicating, post often) or is resolving his computer problems and will soon send them on. Ejjd is next on Early 69 and Jake R on Early Stuff Vol 2. (b) Darkstar1971 (aka Estimatedprophet 1971) rides the rails quite often. I think he is an engineer, the kind you think of when you are kid (a train engineer) but never meet. Hal posted on 3/19 that he mailed DarkStar1971 Fall 77 Part 2. No word since. DarkStar1971 was the last to have Orpheum 7/12/76, pisting on 4/20. Pomo1 is next for Orpheum. (9) Specific vines not mentioned above, many probably involved miscommunications. If you are involved here and can help resolve, please do. You don’t even need an excuse here, just a “I never got it” or “I sent it out” or even a “sorry” will suffice. (a) 3/28/81: Benny Jakes stalled this one for 3 months but eventually passed it on to On The Road Again, who apparently killed it. (b) Felt Forum 1971: greatfullygrateful was the last to post having it, said he had a family emergency, never posted having sent it on to Arkdeadhead. © Repatriation 1971: Fluffhead420 posted on 4/8/09. He was last in line. 3 weeks later Jake R and dpwstldeadfan signed up. No word on where this vine is. (d) Eurovine # 1: Dead Man Telling Tales posted on 4/20. He was last in line. Jake R and others signed up later. Now word on where this vine is. (e) Keith’s First Few Months: dpwstldeadfan posted on 5/6. Only Gr8tful Ted is signed up after. He may have received it and not posted. (f) Valentine’s Day: fluffhead420 posted on 3/9. He was last in line. Lord Monkey and Jake R signed up after. No word on where this vine is. (g) MSG 93 Part 2: Tommo posted on 3/24 that he sent it to Toddsnc. No word since. (h) Jai Alai 74: On 5/12 KingCargoJB posted that he mailed it to Emily J. Slimee is after her. No word since. (I) Northern New England Wish List: on 5/19 fluffhead420 said he would PM Tommo for his address. Estim8ed was after Tommo. No word. (j) 70 & 73: On ½ Estim8ed said he mailed it to Chasmo, who said he never received it. Probably lost in the mail. (k) BCT 86: on 4/13 ark deadhead posted that he would mail to Pkpotter. No word. (l) Little Bit of Jerry: on 4/14 Long Rifle posted that he had it. OneGratefulDad and Fleaflicker were next. No word. (m) 5 Garcia shows: on 5/21 cacthim hickory matt (or something like that) posted that he got them. Fleaflicker and Space Otter were next. No word. (n) Dead/NRPS 1970: on 5/5 birdsong1969nj said he would mail out to test4965. No word. (o) Pigpen Shotgun: on 5/8 Phat Moye said he would mail out to Jake R. Da roach was after that. No word. (p) Brent’s Last show video: lost in mail btwn gadeadhead and JimmyC (q) More May 77: on 5/28 Pomo1 posted he would reseed to Larry Here. PAPPY IS NEXT. LARRY HERE SKIP PAPPY!!!! ® More Mary: on 1/23, rambleinbearisgrateful posted that he mailed to Tommo. Stuman, then bearisgrateful were next. No word. Lost in mail? (s) Bill Graham Tribute: Playdead apparently killed. This vine was reseeded to the person after him. (t) Shoreline 91: on 12/24 Chasmo posted that he had it. ark deadhead was next. No word. Apparently Chasmo killed it. (u) merriweather 6/30/85: on 4/29 fluffhead420 posted that he PM’d OneGratefulDad for his address. No word. (v) Boston Tea Party 1969: on 5/11 Slimee posted having it. Dpwstldeadfan was next. No word. (10) I am too tired for final thoughts. All will be forgiven, except for that first group. I hope those that have disappeared with vines are ok, and are only AWOL here and not in reality. Others can figure out what to do next. I am not proofreading this so there are probably some spelling and grammatical mistakes. Vine on!!! "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"
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    I think we should do all the vine stalling discussions here. Feel free to copy and paste my detective work here, Pomo. I agree re: the reseeding, especially for SHN/FLAC. With WAV though, it's one more generation away from the original so it isn't ideal.
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    to re-seed some of the vines that have crashed. Should we re-post Dstache's list in this topic and people can try to solve the issues, whether by re-seeding or prompting people or however? In other words, do we need a separate "stalled vine" topic, or just do it here? I also believe that it would be appropriate for persons other than the original seeders to re-seed where feasible. The original seeders have already gone through the expense and time of planting, and others should help to get the vines re-growing. Just my opinion. Thanks again for everyone's input and effort. If anyone hears from MitD, please let us know. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"
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    Yep, I'm concerned too. I even went so far as to try and do some basic internet sleuthing to see if I could get any google/dogpile hits for Mark Stanfield in the Louisville, KY area. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I know. All the things I can think of what possibly happened aren't real good. Im trying to think positive though. Maybe he just wanted to get away... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
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    I admit it, I'm worried about MITD also.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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This is the most current vinedex I can find. You have to scroll down the thread to find the listing. http://www.dead.net/forum/vindex Looks like a previous update. Best Wishes-Jimmy
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as posted, the vindex is missing CB's latest update. The search box is turning up no results for a lot of things. I use that to track down vines (easier than thumbing through all the listings and pages). Also my 1969 Lossless Part 5 thread is unable to be found. I posted a lil over a week ago if there was no movement on that then I would reseed it. I guess I'll let things settle for little while longer and hope it all works out. Btw I copied CB's vindex and have it saved as a txt file if anyone needs that since he may be busy to repost it.
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the search errors too was searching for those E72 tour pages that were posted in April and May the ones with track-listing as well as links to one of the songs... gone?
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I will update it and repost in the next week if it does not reappear
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I suppose an update is needed already due to the massive amount of new vines that have been started since summer (including a nearly complete 1982 year and a nice healthy dose of 1976)
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The bicentennial grateful dead vine won't allow me to post. I received it yday. I've been working like crazy lately (11pm last night) but will be able to start ripping it tomorrow. Will update, hopefully on the thread, when it is ready to go.
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Alright now, starting to feel like the dead letter office in my house. I am holding a lot of vines right now that no one else has signed up for. If you are interested in any of these, paste the link to get to the vine, sign yourself up and PM me your address. Let’s keep this stuff moving along, OK? Peace, JP 1969 Lossless Part 2 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/1969-lossless-part-2-vine 1969 Lossless Part 2 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/1969-lossless-part-4-vine August 1971 Vine Part 1 (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/august-1971-vine-part-1 Old and In the Way Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/old-and-way-vine Three from 1975 Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/three-1975-vine 1977 Lossless Vine Part 1 (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/1977-lossless-vine-part-1 1977 Lossless Vine Part 2 http://www.dead.net/forum/1977-lossless-vine-part-2-5-3-5-26 Pomo1's 78 Flash-back Vine (1978) http://www.dead.net/forum/pomo1s-78-flash-back-vine Merriweather 1983 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/merriweather-1983-vine Greek 84 Vine (re-seed) http://www.dead.net/forum/greek-84-vine 20 Years So Far: Summer '85 Part 1-The Greeks http://www.dead.net/forum/20-years-so-far-summer-85-part-1-greeks 20 Years So Far: Summer '85 Part 2-Wisconsin and Ohio http://www.dead.net/forum/20-years-so-far-summer-85-part-2-wisconsin-an… Colorado 87 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/colorado-august-1987-vine Dylan-Dead Rehearsals Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dylan-dead-rehearsals-vine The Dead 2/14/2003 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-2-14-2003-vine The Dead 7/10/03 Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/dead-7-1-03-vine Fleetwood Mac vine http://www.dead.net/forum/fleetwood-mac-vine FWGV Vine Installment #1 (Jefferson Airplane and Fleetwood Mac) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-1 FWGV Vine Installment #3 (Cream, Byrds, Yardbirds) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-3 FWGV Vine Installment #5 (Doors and Pearl Jam) http://www.dead.net/forum/fwgv-vine-installment-5 Neil Young Prairie Wind Vine http://www.dead.net/forum/neil-young-prairie-wind-vine Pink Floyd Part 3 Vine (1971, 1977, 1980) http://www.dead.net/forum/pink-floyd-part-3-vine The Big Led Balloon 12-10-07 Vine (Led Zep) (reseed) 1 DVD [Includes LZ show plus bonus Hendrix, Airplane, Doors] http://www.dead.net/forum/big-led-balloon-12-10-07-vine-led-zep
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Have been gone for about a month moving to a new apartment. Hope all is well and everyone had a great summer. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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These two at least have vanished. I cannot enter the second one in the Vindex as it is recent. Have notfied Marye. 1969 Lossless Part 5 Bi-Centennial Grateful Dead Vine
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Now the Vindex is getting so huge and seems to have been eliminated from this site, I am planning a new way of sharing it, which is intended to be easier for me, easier for folks to scan and analyse and that will not clog up the site. I am posting a link to a place where you can read a simple spreadsheet online with the VIndex on it. It includes a whole lot more useful info too, including a list of all the shows the GD ever played and dates of all official releases. The link is here. Please tell me if it works OK https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApYQXLRMperodHNXcXhNYjdpWH… thanks CB
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Thanks very much Mr. Badger!! Any chance you can export this data to Microsoft Excel? My attempts have been unsuccessful so far. Best Wishes and Thank You Very Much!!! Jimmy
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we are having some site weirdness, which I've reported to Darren. Strangely enough, the Vindex is perfectly visible in the editor, but everything I've tried to make it visible in real life has failed. Including posting it as a new comment. We're working on this, but in the meantime, it is a good thing that another solution exists. Sorry for the trouble.
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yep, my photos that I uploaded are gone..or hidden :-)
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I reported that too.
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Hey, this vine is not lost. I have it. I received it on Tue. The link for the thread does not work. MaryE, if you have a chance, please check on that. If the person who is next in line knows they are next in line, please PM me with your info and it will be sent out to you on Tue. Thanks!
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...a PM response from Pomo1 that 1969 part 5 will be on the move shortly.
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I was able to get a copy of the new vinedex in Excel format. Thanks to the Cosmic Badger for his great efforts. Also thanks to zepthompson for the conversion!! Have a Euro72 weekend!! Best Wishes-Jimmy
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I did not mean to suggest that these two vines are physically lost 1969 Lossless Part 5 Bi-Centennial Grateful Dead Vine it's just that the pages that feature them here have disappeared (at least that was the case yesterday) . All part of the weirdness being investigated by MaryE.
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Gotcha, thanks!
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You probably should have received the 1969 Part 5 vine by now. "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own."
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I have not received it as of this morning.
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Maybe I'm slow ... I don't know, but maybe there are others who don't know this: If you PM'd someone and you're not sure if they've read your message yet, go to your "sent" folder. If they haven't opened your message yet, the word "new" will appear in red in the subject line (just like when you go to your inbox and you have new messages). Kida like getting a read receipt. OK, maybe this doesn't seem like a big deal, BUT it does tell you if someone is no longer active in the Vineyard, which could stop vines from dying. For example: there is someone who hasn't opened ANY of my messages since February. If he follows me on the list, I know not to send him the vine. Make sense? New to the 21st century, Chris
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I didn't know this, frisco, thanks
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I'm posting my thoughts regarding each show in the respective threads (go to "Shows & Lyrics" on the left, just under "Features") if anyone is interested. I've listened to the first 3 nights, grading 4/7 & 4/8 as 8.5 out of 10 overall, and 4/11 as 9 out of 10. I'm not a musician so my musical vocabulary is pretty limited, though as you all know I've listened to my fair share of Dead shows.
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and actually arriving on people's doorsteps, I have retired the vines containing material from the Europe 72 tour. In some cases this is a matter of a single show and the vine could be re-seeded without the show in question. EXCEPT. I have not retired the videos for the time being. Had there been video in the box set, this would have been another story, but for the moment, there doesn't seem to be a compelling issue. Feel free to play it with the relevant CD from the box set cranked up...
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and thank you CB for new vindex. Sorry I haven't been around in awhile guys. I keep saying the vines I have are gonna move shortly and there should be no reason in delaying any longer the vines that I have.
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Many of you know Johnman, His family is losing his house. Any donations would be appreciated directly to him. You can PM him or PM me for the address.. I know this is off-topic but there are some good souls here on this thread who are kind.
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Hey folks , i am having trouble finding traders little helper , i know its strange.. can someone post a link to the latest version for windows 7 ? Thank you .. And that really bites abt Johnman,, wish i could help but i am still digging myself out of a huge hole.. My thoughts and best wishes are with him.. Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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i will give it a try.. Look twice save a life, motorcycles are everywhere . Thank you !!
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recently, the vineyard, and some vines in particular, have been hit these unwanted phantom solicitations
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In my opinion the vine should keep going. Some of us couldn't get the box set because dead.net can't figure out how to transcribe credit card and address info. Or how to save it to their database. I didn't sign up for that vine because I stupidly assumed I would be getting the box. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"
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the deal with tape trading (and its digital counterpart) being allowed on this site is that once something is in commercial release, it stops being traded here. The All The Music set is in commercial release and not in limited edition, therefore the Europe 72 set is off limits. I am sorry for your order hassles. I am doing what I can to help you with them. But it was not exactly a slam dunk to have tape trading allowed on this site at all, and this is a very bright line governing its being allowed. Thank you.
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I have been holding up a few vines due to some crazy overtime @ work that was unexpected. They WILL be moving on by Monday. Liberty #1 and #2 Closing of the Spectrum sorry again.
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I was just venting. That's all I can do because I am completely powerless in this situation. It's frustrating. "I won't take your life won't even take a limb just unload my shotgun and take a little skin"
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and believe me I am bumming on your behalf.
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been busy, tired, and a little lazy...I am holding up 2 vines, and they will be out this week: '76 and Kingfish
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and I guess a few others too. Can we start a mutual support group?
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the new decade, new vines topic is missing. It has posts from some vine. However, I do like the new formatting of the site.
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this new format is killin' me eyes....when are "they" going to stop messin' around with the site? ;-)
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Is this going to come back? For example when you could search and sort only vines for example?
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What happened? There must have been 10 pages of posts on that day. All the vine threads are buried beneath that stuff. It makes searching difficult to impossible... :(
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that are only in the Vineyard? (for example) that seems pretty straightforward to me. What am I missing? There are a number of new capabilities, and I'm trying to figure out if some of the old ones exist at all or in somewhat different forms, but topic selection seems to be okay. Topic EXCLUSION seems to be slightly more problematical and I'm still looking into that one... Also the mysterious disappearance of New Decade, New Vines, but hey, failing all else we can always start a new one for that; I don't think we had any new vines pending because of all the upheaval anyway. And if we did, You Know Who You Are.
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But I don't see where you can sort the forums into the vineyard only. The 'sort window thing' used to be on the top of the page and I don't see it anymore. I could be as sharp as a marble or just blind.