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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    The '72 shows from the not quite the Fox Box have been in and out of the disc drive several times the past few weeks. All great for sure. I know first run through that it was the 10/19 jam that really kinda floored me. Yesterday listening to 10/18 again with the sound quality question in mind. One thing that struck me was that Keith sounded muddy and almost sort of kind of out of tune. I pay a lot of attention to Keith's playing, especially the "earlier days." Something was off and my guess was it was a SBD thing, how he was miked, and not Keith. (Edit - or as Jim suggests maybe some tape degradation.) Bobby's guitar also sounded a bit fuzzed in a recording artifact kind of way, though not unpleasant in any sense. But none of that stopped me from a thoroughly enjoyable listen. There was a point during the Dark Star where I was suddenly in a zone of complete wonder - a place that reminded me of my first deep "now I understand" listen to the Rotterdam Dark Star (on my weird balance SBD many many years before the box.) A really very cool place to be inside the music. So yes, that Disc 2 is some serious magic. One thing struck me as funny is Donna's yell in the Playing Reprise. I have no issues with her singing in those early days, truly dig it. And that Donna Playing ROAR was maybe the most primal vocalization I've ever heard from her. She was feeling the "Holy Spirit" big time!! Loved her quick soft little "Thank you Thank you Thank you" after it was all said and done. Another truly epic jam sequence.
    Listening to 10/19 Disc 1 right now this morning. Keith is hard right - i think he was slightly left of center 10/18. A little lower in the mix, tone sounds better to my ear. I'd have to do a hard A / B to be sure that my thoughts are correct on that. Now on Sugaree and Keith's piano and Jerry's vocals have now moved to center of the sound stage. I think Keith sounds a little better than 10/18 but still a tiny bit muffled? Maybe its my brain, who knows.
    Thanks DV for suggesting 10/18 awhile ago. I feel like these are my first really good deep listens to the '72 shows from that box. Like you said, great stuff. I ran through '73 a week or so ago and need to revisit that. At the time I remember thinking that the '72 resonated with me more and given that '73 is generally a big fat sweet spot for me I know that my head may have been ever so slightly out of alignment.
    To echo KeithFan over on the 45 thread - I'm really really digging Dave's 45. Spectacular sound. Great playing. Boy are we some lucky Deadheads. It was 10/1 Set II that really got me first run through. The Black Peter is so freaking gorgeous. And then the "random current" of that CB or whatever for a couple seconds and its like oh my freaking goodness. I can only laugh. Really, Universe? I first heard 1/31 NOLA last year while exploring a little around the 2/6/70 Fox (personal favorite.) I remember being very pleasantly surprised to find that they played that acoustic set. I think every single acoustic set they have in the vault needs to be released. Gave 1/31 acoustic another run through Sunday morning. Woke up from a short nap late Sunday afternoon and had Sawmill chorus running through my head again and again. I"m like "What is this song? where do I know it from? Oh Yeah, Bobby sings it on 1/31!" Talk about a poor boy, talk about a poor boy, let me have a dollar bill.
    Nice Poster Oro!! Your first show! Glad that the Almanac shone a light on your post - hadn't seen it. Another beautiful day here in paradise. Always loved this time of year in the high desierto. Onward!!

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    I have to revisit this.. but I think I recalled thinking something similar and attributed it to someone spinning the master reel a couple times too many before they locked it away. All three nights are good, but 10/18 is probably my favorite of the bunch, it would not surprise me a bit that someone on the inside thought so too. That and the BCT shows a month and a half earlier are both special runs from a special year.

    For kicks and giggles.. check out the Morning Dew from 5/26/72 at the Lyceum from the E72 box and then listen to it from the version on Europe 72. There is static on the box set version where the original sounds crystal clear. The masters degrade especially when people with two left thumbs (like me) handle them. A lot of the early shows suffer from this, listen to 4/18/70 (the Mountain Girl returned reels) sound and frankly a lot of 69.

    Well, at least someone remembered to hit record. Didn't Sony or one of the other music houses have their entire archive burn down a decade or so ago? Image the horror if GD masters were lost in a fire.🔥🔥🔥😭

    Been gone a bit lately.. spending quality time in the hospital with my aging parents. They seem to be on the mend though, which puts me back home and in good spirits. I hope to participate more as I get back on line with work and fun.

    Thanks for keeping the train a rollin' guys.

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    Listen to the River 72

    Thanks for looking into it OB.
    I have noticed it on all three CDs from 10/18. I don't hear it on 10/17 or 10/19, which I think are both smoking!

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    Yeah

    I only listened to disc 2, but yeah, now that you mention it…
    Seemed to get more noticeable near the end?

    I notice occasionally on 71-72s…some is just the actual distorting of the amps from playing loud…

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    Hey OB, did you notice any distortion on 10/18?

    I think 10/17 and 19 sound spectacular.

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    Hit 10/2/77, thinking set one of 11/6 for comparison and/or jam section of 10/18/72 since y’all were sniffing around there recently I believe?
    Representing DV after my 15 seconds of fame lol.
    Poster came to me outta left field like much of the better things GD over the years!
    In 85 I believe my cousin saw it somewhere, snagged it, then later gave it to me for Xmass.
    One of my most prized possessions.

    EDIT: first set of 11/6 rocks, definitely a difference.
    10/18/72 Disc 2, Magnifico! That’s just what the Dr ordered!

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    The warehouse, okay what was this venue? Recording is really good. As you said OB, raw is a good way to describe it, until the equipment blew.
    Enjoyed the show, good Dire Wolf, Big Boss Man, Morning Dew. Different acoustic songs in the mix to close the show. Interesting show.
    Thank you Doc.

    Like the new picture OB. Sweet poster. I hear you on the work front. Hard to squeeze them in sometimes.

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    Hit 10/1 of Vol 45 with a 1/31/70 chaser.
    Quite the juxtaposition! From Hollywood smooth clean dead, to raucous ruff & dirty dead lol.
    Interesting show. Starts out ruff but builds nicely.
    Good Dew, great HTH! Masons always fun, if perhaps a little sloppy, and the acoustic set was awesome!

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    Sorry DV

    This job I gots just a little too hard…

    Your synopsis of both shows pretty much covers it.
    Can’t get enough of those 73 Dark Stars, Eyes, etc!
    I did 2/17 also last WE for extra credit and it’s better than the set list might indicate.
    The HCSS>China Cat>Rider is worth the price of admission alone!
    Good sheet Mon!

    Definitely going to need to fill up the ole dead bank again this WE.
    The other one has to work so I’ll be looking for some hi fi Dead like my sanity depends on it…which it does!
    Perhaps 45 if the phuching USPS pulls their head outta their arse!

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    Smoking! Recording is fantastic. A few minor issues during Wave that Flag, but I would give it 5 dancing bears overall.
    Good first set Birdsong. Another fine Box of Rain and a good Playing to close the first set. Shorter Dark Star into Eyes is really good. GDTRFB. Good Casey Jones closer. I would definitely listen to this show again.
    Nice job OB. What do you all think?

    On to Doc's 70 pick tomorrow.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 12/22/2020 - 19:25

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I did listen to 12-31-77 a few days ago.
Might watch 12-31-78 for NYE.

Last 4,
all today because I just finished painting my kitchen.
11-7-85 miller.139852
12-21-68 miller.89718
7-25-74 miller.12656
3-23-95 miller.25273

All Miller’s.
Thanks Charlie.

Yes, 3-23-95 is quite nice.
The Bruce factor!

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 12/22/2020 - 19:53

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Lets put it together tomorrow, and start on the 24th? So the 8 days of New Year' eve!! Bob t

How about instead.. a listing of shows where the Dead played at over 7.7k feet above sea level in elevation?

(in my best Rocky from Rocky and Bullwinkle, "that trick never works"). Ok. New Year's shows it is, I'm all in.

12/31 from 81 and 82 don't compare to the ones already suggested.. but they are no slouches and personal, under the radar favorites. I would also open up for suggestion that all the shows on the New Years run are up for grabs... if that's ok. Some of the shows just a couple days before were a ok with me and perhaps we would be remiss to ignore them. Besides, this keeps it a tad more interesting and less programmatic.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:14

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Ok here goes... Just a first draft. Tried to get something from every era. Need one more for 8. Thoughts?? We can do this...

12/31/69 Boston Tea Party
12/31/71 Winterland
12/31/76 Winterland
12/31/78 Winterland
12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium
12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium
12/31/90 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:26

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And if you are looking for an aperitif, I listened to 12/30/69 this morning-tasty!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:54

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Bob T great job, you are definitely the hub of the wheel.. Oh, forgot one, GOGDs pick, 12/31/72, starts out with a great version of Around & Around.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:02

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Most definitely a different feeling with home town shows. 12/23/70 is well worth a listen. Most of the way through this morning. Jim is correct that with any given New Years run it was an excellent chance that an earlier date besides NYE could be higher quality. 12/29/77 and 12/30/77 qualify.
Happy birthday Jorma.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:11

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I really like that 72 New Years Eve show with David Crosby!!! Also agree how good the shows that weren't on NYE like a 12/29/77 or 12/30/ 69 or even1/2/70 are. Bob t

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:33

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Another great show not on New Years Eve, 1/2/72.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 07:34

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12/23/70 Digging that Deep Elem Blues!

Synchronicity in this selection Strider.
Not only did Jorma perform on this bill.
But there's a whole post at Lost Live Dead about how the Dead could even book this show 8 days before playing a Winterland NYE show :)
http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2012/03/december-23-1970-winterland-gr…

Good stuff.

NYE Show Extravaganza!
Looks like it's shaping up. Nice work Bob T.
And yeah, don't forget 1972!!
Also to rock the boat 1989 NYE worth trying to fit in there somewhere?

As for the shows that surround the NYE runs, we can discuss our favorites while we listen to these here NYEs.

The NYE hometown runs don't really start until '77 and two of the best surrounding run shows happened that year as mentioned here earlier by someone who saw them, Strider that's you. 12/30/78 is great too, but that's at the Pauley. Most of the '79 run is better than NYE. The list goes on, 12/28/83 is another. But we can talk about that ad nauseam while we listen to these here NYE shows. And maybe make a list of top 8 surrounding NYE shows and listen to those afterwards :)

How's that sound?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 09:27

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I'm hip!

So what's that list looking like now?
Cause '72 might mess up the math.

Maybe swap '71 for '72?
Don't wanna mess with BTK's bro's first show... but if I recall correctly '72 is more spectacular and it's one of my fave NYEs.
Not to mention Bill Graham's favorite NYE moment happened that night.

Am I being difficult?
Freakin' Dead Heads!!

So are we thinking chronologically?
Start with 69 end with 90
Or start with 90 and end with 69.

What are your thoughts on that?
Or we could give each show a number 1-8 and use a random number generator to establish order.

Just thinking out loud here. But curious about that.
Once that's established we're ready to go on the NYE bender.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 12:02

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....nice.
I vote for oldest to newest.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:01

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... How about the the old 1999dead records release ‘’Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions’ featuring Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Pigpen ‘Live At The Yop Of The Tangent, 1964
July 16,17&18th as a started for the new Year among us ever so closely! Full Circle!
🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:03

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... How about the the old 1999dead records release ‘’Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions’ featuring Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Pigpen ‘Live At The Yop Of The Tangent, 1964
July 16,17&18th as a started for the new Year among us ever so closely! Full Circle! I have two copies, one open and the other is still sealed!
I would recommend any fan of the band should have this little key to return to a important historical point & time in the birth of the Grateful Dead !
🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:11

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Leeds us to the mother ship which contains a plethoras of primo performances recordings available to release for the first New Year announcement which should be creeping in here any minnow my fine feathered friends! Let’s run let’s run run run ! 🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 18:56

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And it's 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Here we go!

It's on, a NYE party that spans 8 days.

12/31/69 Boston Tea Party - Thursday Xmas Eve
12/31/72 Winterland - Friday Xmas
12/31/76 Winterland - Saturday
12/31/78 Winterland - Sunday
12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium - Monday
12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium - Tuesday
12/31/89 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum - Wednesday
12/31/90 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum - Thursday NYE

Happy New Year!

Brought to you by BobT & the POTD crew.

Happy Holidays to everyone!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 08:07

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Happy Xmas / War is Over! If you want it
“Another year over and a new one just begun”
John & Yoko

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Submitted by unkle sam on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 10:22

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What a great loss and a sweet, wonderful human being. Saw him and Felix many times back in the 70's, those were great shows, Leslie could really rock and what a great slide player, check out "Crossroader" from the Flowers of Evil lp, and from The road goes ever on lp, the live version from the aforementioned lp is hot. The entire live side of Flowers of Evil is also very good. Dream sequence>Dreams of Milk and Honey>Roll over Beethoven, soo gooood. Some of the loudest concerts too, and when it was all over, they were all drenched in sweat, especially Leslie.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 10:31

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Mo Monitors! And the only NYE concert outside the Bay Area

Everything to be seen at the Tea Party on New Year's Eve was a direct descendant of the Acid Test. The wall behind the band was bursting with gaseous, exploding galaxies, vibrant suns, flickering dots and spastic paramecia; every facet of the curving walls was covered with projections of comic strips, nudes, old etchings, portraits of the marijuana weed and photos of Boston; two movie projectors showed sporadic clips of Looney Toons, Spencer Tracy's "Boy's Town," and Olivier's "Othello."  And, of course, the Dead were there.

- from the Boston Herald Traveler, 11 January 1970 by Timothy Crouse

Too Much!!

The Boston Tea Party sounds like a pretty hip place. Also of note, by the time of this show it was located in the same building that was formally known as The Ark, which the Dead famously played in April and yes we all want those shows released. From what I can tell it had a capacity of around 1900 people.

The recording we've got here by Bear didn't come into circulation until early 1998 and is pretty dang sweet!
It also includes possibly the weirdest ending to a NYE show ever. I mean who else but the GOGD would spend hours getting folks all raved up only to drop into 4 obscure acoustic numbers at the end of the night?!?!
There's gotta be a story there, I think I remember reading it, but can't recall the specifics.
(Phil teases Dark Star and then Jerry calls it off and says let's take a break:)

"Well, it looks like the 1970s are going to be weird." - Jerry Garcia

This is one of those shows, that falls in the... "Think that was good? Well you shoulda been here last night!" category.
That being said... last show of the 1960s who can resist?!?!
And first of the NYE Extravaganza 2020.

Enjoy!

PS - If anybody has the Taper's Compendium Addendum let's talk. I really want to read that!
PPS - This is a repost / earlier post got deleted? Good thing I started saving them! Or is it so bad that it got trashed :)

12/29 is a warm up for 12/30/69

Might wanna just skip ahead to 12/30 & 12/31

Or listen to them all... it's the holidays!

Dug 12/31/69 it's a real good time.

15 seconds, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.. Happy New Year!

This is one of my favorite NYE shows.
Maybe cause I love 1972.
Or it could just be the Playing In The Band shreds.
Either way, great way to end one of, if not the, greatest year in GD history.

Also, this show contains one of Bill Graham's & Bob Weir's favorite Winterland Moments and a famously told story.

This is the NYE show where the guy climbed down through the ceiling tiles and hung on the wire and they canceled the show and Bill Graham talked him down.
It happens between Sing Me Back Home and Johnny B. Goode.
Most of the time the audio is cut out, but is included on the Recording of FM Broadcast on KSAN along with a fun Europe '72 promo commercial.

Worth seeking out if you're a historical geek like me.

Alright, well what can I say..
Merry Christmas!!!
Have fun with this one.
And Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards People!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 08:25

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My brother was at this show and he told me about the guy climbing in from the roof of Winterland. The Dead were looking up at him as he was hanging up there. Bill Graham asked him if there was anything he would like to say and he said "I'm 007" .

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 13:45

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Just one second, please.
If you could just try to find your way back the way you came up there. Please.

How about that Truckin' > The Other One > Morning Dew?!?!

I don't think I'll ever get tired of hearing that.
Most epic NYE jam IMO.
We'll see if I change that opinion during the Extravaganza.
I know '76 is pretty epic too, but there's no 40 minute Other One Jam...

Wow.

Alright, couple more fun facts.
Eyewitness states that the famous Winterland Mirror Ball made it's first appearance on this evening during PITB.
The band was wearing their Nudie Suits, 2nd of 4 appearances?
12/15/72
12/31/72
02/19/73
03/19/73 (partial;)

And yes, BTK he could only tell us his number, 007.
What a weirdo! Wonder what happened to that guy...

And now can we hear it for the greatest rock n' roll band in the world.
The Grateful Dead, please.

Alright, Good Stuff.
Happy Christmas!

PS - Anybody have the Dead.net Bonus CD that came with Winterland '78?
Supposedly that Bill Graham exchange is on there as a hidden track.
LMK if you're out there, I'm sure I've got something cool to trade for a copy.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 16:38

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I have the New Year's at Winterland Bonus with Bill G. I can rip it for you, provided it's not disc rotted like my DaP 1-4 and RT 4.5. I love those unexpected surprises. Be well, all. :-)

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 18:10

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That would be so awesome!!

LMK what I can do to help make that happen.

Thanks WTJ and Happy Christmas!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 12/26/2020 - 09:16

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Big Ole Hello to all you folks out there in radio land as well

ne plus ul·tra
/ˌnē ˌpləs ˈəltrə,ˌnā ˌpləs ˈəltrə,ˌnā ˌplo͝os ˈo͝oltrə/
noun
1. the perfect or most extreme example of its kind; the ultimate.

Great liner notes by David Lemieux and Glenn Lambert (who was one of the host DJs of the KSAN broadcast) for this one.

Dave uses the ne plus ultra phrase in reference to 1974 performances of Playing In The Band, I guess I’ve always felt that was 1972. Something about Jerry’s playing and the Alligator sound vs Jerry’s Wolf sound just rings my bell harder. Did I mention I love Playing In The Band from 1972?

Anyway, this might suggest a new avenue of exploration for me. 1974 Playing In The Band relisten mission. However, I digress... big time.

We’re not talking about 1972 or 1974 right now, we’re talking about 1976 and in particular 12/31/76.

Epic Set 1 closing Playing In The Band which has hints of the days of yore and yet is rooted in the present which at the time of this recording was the last moments of 1976.

Last GD cow palace show, and possibly one of the most consistently fine played NYE shows in the history of the Grateful Dead? After this they’ll play every NYE through 1991.

I wonder if Glenn has a recording of the whole KSAN broadcast? How about it Glenn?
(apparently not to be confused with Gary! do your research ;)

Speaking about wondering.
I’m wondering if anybody has that Spirit of ’76 Bonus CD that came with Pre-Order from Dead.net?
Couple unreleased nuggets on there I’d love to get a hold of. Get a hold of me if you do :)


Meanwhile enjoy another epic NYE show by the Grateful Dead with the Spirit of ’76.

And big shout out to wilfredtjones for being an awesome DeadHead.
Thanks man you rock!

PS - Why didn't that Here Comes Sunshine Jam happen at like every show or at least during every Good Lovin' without Pigpen? Love love love that!!!
So good.

A momentous occasion as we cruise into the 1980s here at Winterland in San Francisco.
1978 going on 1981, what you see before you is a 10, no wait 12, 12 foot long burning ember of marijuana.
Yes, let us begin the countdown…
- Dan Aykroyd Winterland 12/31/78

Brings a smile to my face, and really truly there is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert.

This tape was in some heavy rotation when I was but a teenage Dead freak. I mean just look at these Set lists, but it was more than that back then. It was the rumors, the stories, the legends, the guests, the recording, the performances. This tape held me spell bound just thinking about everything I was hearing and everything that was happening.

Let’s give it yet another go all these years later and see what happens, it’s already got me smiling.
Like a visit with an old friend.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 07:26

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Roger that.
And back at you.
Happy Holidays!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 08:54

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I remember when the tickets went on sale they were $30 dollars apiece, we were shocked, we were paying $7 dollars to go to shows at that time. The tickets were given out through a lottery, you sent in a S.A.S.E. with your check and you either got back your check or you received tickets, we got shutout and got back our checks. The day of the show tickets wrent on sale in the box office, my brother bought one, I could have had one, I decided to stay home and watch it on TV, I was with a bunch of friends and we had a blast.
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 10:12

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12/26/69 was wonderful yesterday. 12/31/69 two days ago was also super magical. I listened to 12/26/70 this morning. Will listen to 12/26/81& 12/27/81 later today.
Have listened to more Grateful Dead in 2020 than in years. Also read more books than in years. Finishing On Highway 61 by Dennis McNally. Fascinating history. Super well researched.
Peace out, no piece out.