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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #6591
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    It's a Real Goodie!

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    It occurred to me I have never listened to this show before so I'm checking out the matrix on relisten right now. Jack Straw just starting up.

    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1978/12/30/jack-straw?source=91391

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    Happy 4th of July!

    To me the Grateful Dead represent "American Values" that I cherish:
    Independence
    Intelligence
    Innovating
    Pioneering
    Supportive
    Kind

    Helping to Move the entire Human Race Forward a few steps, outside of Mainstream America, with a certain amount of Outlaw bravado in order to provide Joy.

    I won't pontificate on what is actually happening in America right now, but will focus on the Grateful Dead. Because to me they are the American Dream. Some guys from San Francisco that worked real hard at what they wanted to do because nobody else was doing it, and they knew it needed to be done and it was fun and it brought Joy to a whole lot of people who otherwise weren't getting any.

    And now some 55 years later, and more than 25 years since the band stopped playing, they're still bringing joy to people who otherwise aren't getting any.

    That's commendable, I wish there were more instances of that in our history, I can think of none.
    (probably could, but this post is already longer than planned and I hadn't even meant to go here.. I was just gonna say Happy 4th.)

    Anywho... Nice call WTJ on 7/4/81 that's some tight Jams. You had me at Stranger, Bird Song > PITB for Set 2 opener. FYI for the listener, parts of SBD are missing, but some of them there parts are floating around from Taper's Section: Minglewood, China > Rider from Set 1. That being said there's a real nice Audience recording as well.
    EDIT: As Bobby says One More 4th Of July, So Everybody Can Get High!

    DEADVIKES: 7/4/89 you say?
    I'll try and watch that there show at some point this fine holiday.
    You should def check out 5/13/78 some time, dug that as well as 5/14/78 which was killer diller.

    I'ma gonna try and check out 7/4/87 today too and listen to Bob Dylan slur and slash his way through songs he doesn't remember how to play just cuz.. America!

    And yesterday "We" (I?) was checking out 9/21/72 which is a must relisten and if nobody got to it, now is a great time. Epic (like 5 stars) Bird Song, China > Rider, PITB, Dark Star > Morning Dew. That shit is off the proverbial hook.

    Makes for perfect bike riding tunes. Or grilling, drinking, smoking, whatever it is you do while listening.

    But alas, it was buried in a long and drawn out post yesterday, not unlike this one.

    Alrighty then.
    Be Well, Be Safe, Use Your Head, Ignore Alien Orders.

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    That Deal f'ing rips. I was just listening to it yesterday by chance.

    Have a safe and sane Fourth everyone... :-)

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    Good show. Not much Phil in the recording but tight performance with an interesting setlist.

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    Thanks man, I am glad that 5/14/78 hit the spot. And I agree it is a great show. Always like to be surprised by shows and this one did it. ..

    What is on tap for today??

    Hope we can consider 7/4/89 for tomorrow, but just a suggestion.

    Be well all and everybody hang loose.

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    I think I actually got the notion to listen to it from Jim.

    7/6/87 and set II from 7/8/87 were nice for me today. Last night 7/2/71 was real nice.

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    That’s Awesome! Funny the stuff we remember.
    Wonder what happened to that Sister head and if she’s still collecting tapes.

    Good times man, thanks for sharing.

    That closing Truckin’ > Black Peter > Sugar Magnolia is pretty sick, and I bet your a lil less disappointed with it now days.

    Great Show & Great story!

    Sounds like you might have a few more.. 4/6/82 is a fave.. we might have to pull a couple these for a pick. Got any favorites?

    Good stuff :)

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    @GOGD My memory is not great but here goes. I had Blues for Allah and Mars Hotel on record but no tapes. I lived next to a girl in college who had hundreds (literally) of tapes. She was my first introduction to live Dead, not the album. But I wasn't sure what to expect at my first show. There were songs I wanted to see, like China > Rider and FOTM and Crazy Fingers.

    I remember liking the first set, Jack Straw and Candyman were favorites. Believe it or not I was disappointed when they ended with Truckin and Sugar Mag. I didn't know at the time that every show was different and some songs got played way more than others. I thought they were a "normal" band that played some album cuts in concert then ended with their "hits". When I mentioned my disappointment to my friend after the show she just laughed. I think she knew that I was hooked.

    My next show was 9/2/1978 and then 45 others. Not a lot but saw some good ones, including 5/16/81 and 4/6/82 (released)

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    That things here always get busy just as life gets too busy, lol.
    So I’ve been trying to keep up, but haven’t had enough time to properly reply, especially with my Summer 85 “Signing in the rain” ...
    First, thank WTJ not me for that great 88 pick! Though I was at work listening on sub par equipment so didn’t get the full Vulcan mind meld, I did thoroughly enjoy it, and remember it drew me out of my focused work mind several times.
    And yes, you can totally hear them giving Bob shit before Blackbird. And yes, why the hell didn’t they play Believe it or Not and She belongs to me more often!
    Don’t really have time yet, and more importantly I feel I need to relisten to 6/30/85 because in a word, I was disappointed, while 7/1/85 which I only really remember as having that smoking Scarlet/Fire, was actually amazing.
    I always thought 6/30/85 was THE show, meaning the cleanest/tightest, but still with some fire in the nutz, and a sexy set list.
    But upon listening, it seemed like there were many ruff starts, clams, at least, and JG especially. But eventually, the songs would often get right and get going, and did seem to progress overall as the show moved on, somewhat like some of the other shows from this tour, and often like the dead in general. There’s that Bode Miller analogy again.
    Even some of the sexy stuff: Keep on Growing, Cryptical etc, we’re ruff. Personally, I’m ok with that as I would rather see em go for and miss than play it safe and just dial it in.
    So yeah, was a little disappointed but that’s why expectations suck, and why we have to listen eh! I also was exhausted, and kind of bummed and depressed that evening, so that probably affected my mood while listening etc. So need to go back and give this one another run.
    Meanwhile, 7/1/85 blew me away. I’ve never heard the first, and the tape I had of the second was too hot so didn’t sound so good. So it was awesome to sit down and really listen to this show, really enjoyed it. Perhaps the tightest of the tour? Definitely one of JGs better nights of the tour as far as miscues and vocal issues.
    Have to wonder how listening to different formats may have effected perspective? Listened to awesome SB for 6/30, while back to a HS matrix for 7/1. Been digging these HS matrixes for the most part.
    So going to have to replay these 2 and get better handle...
    Really want to try that 5/14/78 30 trips that I don’t think I’ve got round to yet? 78 not a big go to year for me which is precisely why I need to be exposed to more. Seems like the more time I spend with MY lesser years, the more I’m pleasantly enlightened! As I keep beating the drum: ITS ALL GOOD! just have to poke around! Oh, and yeah, that 6/30 Shakedown has to be my favorite @ version...
    And DP 36, right on, haven’t heard that beast in a while, so prolly save that one for when I can be one with it....but love that pick! Thanks guys for all the good picks!
    Ok, gotta go, but hopefully I’ll finish the whole 85 saga later, though of course Big Steve on pre-game and then VV 2, so phew, so much to catch up on, so better get going!
    Schlater!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 12/22/2020 - 19:25

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I did listen to 12-31-77 a few days ago.
Might watch 12-31-78 for NYE.

Last 4,
all today because I just finished painting my kitchen.
11-7-85 miller.139852
12-21-68 miller.89718
7-25-74 miller.12656
3-23-95 miller.25273

All Miller’s.
Thanks Charlie.

Yes, 3-23-95 is quite nice.
The Bruce factor!

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 12/22/2020 - 19:53

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Lets put it together tomorrow, and start on the 24th? So the 8 days of New Year' eve!! Bob t

How about instead.. a listing of shows where the Dead played at over 7.7k feet above sea level in elevation?

(in my best Rocky from Rocky and Bullwinkle, "that trick never works"). Ok. New Year's shows it is, I'm all in.

12/31 from 81 and 82 don't compare to the ones already suggested.. but they are no slouches and personal, under the radar favorites. I would also open up for suggestion that all the shows on the New Years run are up for grabs... if that's ok. Some of the shows just a couple days before were a ok with me and perhaps we would be remiss to ignore them. Besides, this keeps it a tad more interesting and less programmatic.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:14

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Ok here goes... Just a first draft. Tried to get something from every era. Need one more for 8. Thoughts?? We can do this...

12/31/69 Boston Tea Party
12/31/71 Winterland
12/31/76 Winterland
12/31/78 Winterland
12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium
12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium
12/31/90 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:26

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And if you are looking for an aperitif, I listened to 12/30/69 this morning-tasty!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:54

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Bob T great job, you are definitely the hub of the wheel.. Oh, forgot one, GOGDs pick, 12/31/72, starts out with a great version of Around & Around.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:02

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Most definitely a different feeling with home town shows. 12/23/70 is well worth a listen. Most of the way through this morning. Jim is correct that with any given New Years run it was an excellent chance that an earlier date besides NYE could be higher quality. 12/29/77 and 12/30/77 qualify.
Happy birthday Jorma.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:11

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I really like that 72 New Years Eve show with David Crosby!!! Also agree how good the shows that weren't on NYE like a 12/29/77 or 12/30/ 69 or even1/2/70 are. Bob t

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:33

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Another great show not on New Years Eve, 1/2/72.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 07:34

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12/23/70 Digging that Deep Elem Blues!

Synchronicity in this selection Strider.
Not only did Jorma perform on this bill.
But there's a whole post at Lost Live Dead about how the Dead could even book this show 8 days before playing a Winterland NYE show :)
http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2012/03/december-23-1970-winterland-gr…

Good stuff.

NYE Show Extravaganza!
Looks like it's shaping up. Nice work Bob T.
And yeah, don't forget 1972!!
Also to rock the boat 1989 NYE worth trying to fit in there somewhere?

As for the shows that surround the NYE runs, we can discuss our favorites while we listen to these here NYEs.

The NYE hometown runs don't really start until '77 and two of the best surrounding run shows happened that year as mentioned here earlier by someone who saw them, Strider that's you. 12/30/78 is great too, but that's at the Pauley. Most of the '79 run is better than NYE. The list goes on, 12/28/83 is another. But we can talk about that ad nauseam while we listen to these here NYE shows. And maybe make a list of top 8 surrounding NYE shows and listen to those afterwards :)

How's that sound?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 09:27

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I'm hip!

So what's that list looking like now?
Cause '72 might mess up the math.

Maybe swap '71 for '72?
Don't wanna mess with BTK's bro's first show... but if I recall correctly '72 is more spectacular and it's one of my fave NYEs.
Not to mention Bill Graham's favorite NYE moment happened that night.

Am I being difficult?
Freakin' Dead Heads!!

So are we thinking chronologically?
Start with 69 end with 90
Or start with 90 and end with 69.

What are your thoughts on that?
Or we could give each show a number 1-8 and use a random number generator to establish order.

Just thinking out loud here. But curious about that.
Once that's established we're ready to go on the NYE bender.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 12:02

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....nice.
I vote for oldest to newest.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:01

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... How about the the old 1999dead records release ‘’Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions’ featuring Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Pigpen ‘Live At The Yop Of The Tangent, 1964
July 16,17&18th as a started for the new Year among us ever so closely! Full Circle!
🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:03

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... How about the the old 1999dead records release ‘’Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions’ featuring Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Pigpen ‘Live At The Yop Of The Tangent, 1964
July 16,17&18th as a started for the new Year among us ever so closely! Full Circle! I have two copies, one open and the other is still sealed!
I would recommend any fan of the band should have this little key to return to a important historical point & time in the birth of the Grateful Dead !
🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:11

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Leeds us to the mother ship which contains a plethoras of primo performances recordings available to release for the first New Year announcement which should be creeping in here any minnow my fine feathered friends! Let’s run let’s run run run ! 🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 18:56

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And it's 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Here we go!

It's on, a NYE party that spans 8 days.

12/31/69 Boston Tea Party - Thursday Xmas Eve
12/31/72 Winterland - Friday Xmas
12/31/76 Winterland - Saturday
12/31/78 Winterland - Sunday
12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium - Monday
12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium - Tuesday
12/31/89 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum - Wednesday
12/31/90 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum - Thursday NYE

Happy New Year!

Brought to you by BobT & the POTD crew.

Happy Holidays to everyone!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 08:07

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Happy Xmas / War is Over! If you want it
“Another year over and a new one just begun”
John & Yoko

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Submitted by unkle sam on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 10:22

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What a great loss and a sweet, wonderful human being. Saw him and Felix many times back in the 70's, those were great shows, Leslie could really rock and what a great slide player, check out "Crossroader" from the Flowers of Evil lp, and from The road goes ever on lp, the live version from the aforementioned lp is hot. The entire live side of Flowers of Evil is also very good. Dream sequence>Dreams of Milk and Honey>Roll over Beethoven, soo gooood. Some of the loudest concerts too, and when it was all over, they were all drenched in sweat, especially Leslie.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 10:31

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Mo Monitors! And the only NYE concert outside the Bay Area

Everything to be seen at the Tea Party on New Year's Eve was a direct descendant of the Acid Test. The wall behind the band was bursting with gaseous, exploding galaxies, vibrant suns, flickering dots and spastic paramecia; every facet of the curving walls was covered with projections of comic strips, nudes, old etchings, portraits of the marijuana weed and photos of Boston; two movie projectors showed sporadic clips of Looney Toons, Spencer Tracy's "Boy's Town," and Olivier's "Othello."  And, of course, the Dead were there.

- from the Boston Herald Traveler, 11 January 1970 by Timothy Crouse

Too Much!!

The Boston Tea Party sounds like a pretty hip place. Also of note, by the time of this show it was located in the same building that was formally known as The Ark, which the Dead famously played in April and yes we all want those shows released. From what I can tell it had a capacity of around 1900 people.

The recording we've got here by Bear didn't come into circulation until early 1998 and is pretty dang sweet!
It also includes possibly the weirdest ending to a NYE show ever. I mean who else but the GOGD would spend hours getting folks all raved up only to drop into 4 obscure acoustic numbers at the end of the night?!?!
There's gotta be a story there, I think I remember reading it, but can't recall the specifics.
(Phil teases Dark Star and then Jerry calls it off and says let's take a break:)

"Well, it looks like the 1970s are going to be weird." - Jerry Garcia

This is one of those shows, that falls in the... "Think that was good? Well you shoulda been here last night!" category.
That being said... last show of the 1960s who can resist?!?!
And first of the NYE Extravaganza 2020.

Enjoy!

PS - If anybody has the Taper's Compendium Addendum let's talk. I really want to read that!
PPS - This is a repost / earlier post got deleted? Good thing I started saving them! Or is it so bad that it got trashed :)

12/29 is a warm up for 12/30/69

Might wanna just skip ahead to 12/30 & 12/31

Or listen to them all... it's the holidays!

Dug 12/31/69 it's a real good time.

15 seconds, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.. Happy New Year!

This is one of my favorite NYE shows.
Maybe cause I love 1972.
Or it could just be the Playing In The Band shreds.
Either way, great way to end one of, if not the, greatest year in GD history.

Also, this show contains one of Bill Graham's & Bob Weir's favorite Winterland Moments and a famously told story.

This is the NYE show where the guy climbed down through the ceiling tiles and hung on the wire and they canceled the show and Bill Graham talked him down.
It happens between Sing Me Back Home and Johnny B. Goode.
Most of the time the audio is cut out, but is included on the Recording of FM Broadcast on KSAN along with a fun Europe '72 promo commercial.

Worth seeking out if you're a historical geek like me.

Alright, well what can I say..
Merry Christmas!!!
Have fun with this one.
And Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards People!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 08:25

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My brother was at this show and he told me about the guy climbing in from the roof of Winterland. The Dead were looking up at him as he was hanging up there. Bill Graham asked him if there was anything he would like to say and he said "I'm 007" .

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 13:45

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Just one second, please.
If you could just try to find your way back the way you came up there. Please.

How about that Truckin' > The Other One > Morning Dew?!?!

I don't think I'll ever get tired of hearing that.
Most epic NYE jam IMO.
We'll see if I change that opinion during the Extravaganza.
I know '76 is pretty epic too, but there's no 40 minute Other One Jam...

Wow.

Alright, couple more fun facts.
Eyewitness states that the famous Winterland Mirror Ball made it's first appearance on this evening during PITB.
The band was wearing their Nudie Suits, 2nd of 4 appearances?
12/15/72
12/31/72
02/19/73
03/19/73 (partial;)

And yes, BTK he could only tell us his number, 007.
What a weirdo! Wonder what happened to that guy...

And now can we hear it for the greatest rock n' roll band in the world.
The Grateful Dead, please.

Alright, Good Stuff.
Happy Christmas!

PS - Anybody have the Dead.net Bonus CD that came with Winterland '78?
Supposedly that Bill Graham exchange is on there as a hidden track.
LMK if you're out there, I'm sure I've got something cool to trade for a copy.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 16:38

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I have the New Year's at Winterland Bonus with Bill G. I can rip it for you, provided it's not disc rotted like my DaP 1-4 and RT 4.5. I love those unexpected surprises. Be well, all. :-)

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 18:10

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That would be so awesome!!

LMK what I can do to help make that happen.

Thanks WTJ and Happy Christmas!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 12/26/2020 - 09:16

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Big Ole Hello to all you folks out there in radio land as well

ne plus ul·tra
/ˌnē ˌpləs ˈəltrə,ˌnā ˌpləs ˈəltrə,ˌnā ˌplo͝os ˈo͝oltrə/
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1. the perfect or most extreme example of its kind; the ultimate.

Great liner notes by David Lemieux and Glenn Lambert (who was one of the host DJs of the KSAN broadcast) for this one.

Dave uses the ne plus ultra phrase in reference to 1974 performances of Playing In The Band, I guess I’ve always felt that was 1972. Something about Jerry’s playing and the Alligator sound vs Jerry’s Wolf sound just rings my bell harder. Did I mention I love Playing In The Band from 1972?

Anyway, this might suggest a new avenue of exploration for me. 1974 Playing In The Band relisten mission. However, I digress... big time.

We’re not talking about 1972 or 1974 right now, we’re talking about 1976 and in particular 12/31/76.

Epic Set 1 closing Playing In The Band which has hints of the days of yore and yet is rooted in the present which at the time of this recording was the last moments of 1976.

Last GD cow palace show, and possibly one of the most consistently fine played NYE shows in the history of the Grateful Dead? After this they’ll play every NYE through 1991.

I wonder if Glenn has a recording of the whole KSAN broadcast? How about it Glenn?
(apparently not to be confused with Gary! do your research ;)

Speaking about wondering.
I’m wondering if anybody has that Spirit of ’76 Bonus CD that came with Pre-Order from Dead.net?
Couple unreleased nuggets on there I’d love to get a hold of. Get a hold of me if you do :)


Meanwhile enjoy another epic NYE show by the Grateful Dead with the Spirit of ’76.

And big shout out to wilfredtjones for being an awesome DeadHead.
Thanks man you rock!

PS - Why didn't that Here Comes Sunshine Jam happen at like every show or at least during every Good Lovin' without Pigpen? Love love love that!!!
So good.

A momentous occasion as we cruise into the 1980s here at Winterland in San Francisco.
1978 going on 1981, what you see before you is a 10, no wait 12, 12 foot long burning ember of marijuana.
Yes, let us begin the countdown…
- Dan Aykroyd Winterland 12/31/78

Brings a smile to my face, and really truly there is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert.

This tape was in some heavy rotation when I was but a teenage Dead freak. I mean just look at these Set lists, but it was more than that back then. It was the rumors, the stories, the legends, the guests, the recording, the performances. This tape held me spell bound just thinking about everything I was hearing and everything that was happening.

Let’s give it yet another go all these years later and see what happens, it’s already got me smiling.
Like a visit with an old friend.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 07:26

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Roger that.
And back at you.
Happy Holidays!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 08:54

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I remember when the tickets went on sale they were $30 dollars apiece, we were shocked, we were paying $7 dollars to go to shows at that time. The tickets were given out through a lottery, you sent in a S.A.S.E. with your check and you either got back your check or you received tickets, we got shutout and got back our checks. The day of the show tickets wrent on sale in the box office, my brother bought one, I could have had one, I decided to stay home and watch it on TV, I was with a bunch of friends and we had a blast.
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 10:12

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12/26/69 was wonderful yesterday. 12/31/69 two days ago was also super magical. I listened to 12/26/70 this morning. Will listen to 12/26/81& 12/27/81 later today.
Have listened to more Grateful Dead in 2020 than in years. Also read more books than in years. Finishing On Highway 61 by Dennis McNally. Fascinating history. Super well researched.
Peace out, no piece out.