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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #6741
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    Who's on third

    I don't know.

  • #6742
    The Good Ole G…
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    What

    What is on second.

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    Who

    Who is on second.

  • #6744
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    I'm asking YOU who's on first.

    That's the man's name.

    That's who's name?

    Yes.

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    Who’s in charge?

    No, who’s on first, the situation is in charge and I don’t mean that douchbag from Jersey!
    Thanks for the info, that could be it?

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    Shit, I'll clean a garage if there's a shirtless Jerry having fun at a Who show picture in it.

    So you think this contest is all a hoax? a put on? a trick?

    Who's in Charge Here!?!?!

    To flash back on those UltraMatrix. I'm not sure about Pearson's mixes being any different than what we already have. But I've been comparing the new Pearson sources that Charlie has been putting out to the UltraMatrix source we had before, and from what I can tell the source / mix is the same but the difference is in the transfer. The new transfers are way better for the most part. I think Charlie has better gear, more knowledge, etc. So the new transfers tend to sound better. That's all speculation. Charlie what do you say? And You ROCK! I might be a tape geek. Never a taper, but always a collector.

    And lastly 6/21/85 is probably the weakest show in this summer run.. they give it a go, but the x factor isn't there. It'll be interesting to hear what you all think. But that's what I got again from hearing it this AM.

    But it's coming... if I remember right, it's there tomorrow. Loved that tape back in the day. Looking forward to hearing it again.

    Be Well All You Heads!

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    Nice show Deadvikes. Nothing mind blowing but a good solid 87 outing. Always enjoy Pocky Way, and Candyman too. We got an Esau in there which some don’t get, but I always liked it because it was an unusual song and a change of pace. Bird Song and TMNS to round out the first. Loved the Maggie’s>>Cumberland. Don’t think I’ve heard that combo? Don’t think I’ve heard them do Maggie’s with just JG and Bob either? I’m Used to the big 4 vocal versions post Brent. So yeah their taking it higher untiiilllll ittttt comesss backkk downnnn with LL Rain, meh,... nice solid Terrapin with JG steady and confident, not a sizzler but we’ll played. Yes after that it’s sort status quo time to bring it home, but enjoyed Stella, and Quinn is a nice alternative to the more usual encores. All in all I nice little show.
    As far as Ultramatrix, some seem a little dull sounding to me, some too metally, or I guess that could just as well be the metal tape?, but for this show the one I listened to I thought was really good. Personally I’ll take a good matrix over a SB any day, cause sorry folks but a dry SB feed is not what it sounded like live! To me some of the old stuff folks go on about I think are hard to listen to, especially the vocals and often the bass.
    But of course compared to most Audi’s back then the SBs are a step up, and though I’m a audiophile, I’ll take a hot show via a lesser recording than a perfectly sounding dud, but that’s just me. I guess I’ve never really been a “taper” and I don’t mean necessarily someone who actually tapes. To me it’s always been sort of a click, a club, a cultural thing. And I think their mentality has sometimes biased things in a limiting way, again, that’s just me. I love Dave, and think he does a great job, but he suffers from this bias too. Sorry, not trying to be negative and didn’t mean to ramble, just say I prefer a good matrix. Although nothing beats a multitrack from most any era!
    I wonder if ULTRAMATRIX is named somehow due to the Dead/Ultra Sound relationship. Don Pearson was I believe the Meyers Ultra Sound representative with the Dead who worked closely with Healy to tweak the system etc. So I’m curious if these new Pearson matrix’s we’ve been seeing are ones he perhaps took care of some of the tape mix while Dan did his thing, or are they separate some how from Healys normal feed/mix? Definitely would love to know more about all this!
    Ok, Summers here and the time is right for some 85 Dancin’ in the streets! Woo-hoo, of to Alpine!

    EDIT: I think maybe y’all’s reading into Bolos post too much...sounds like he’s trying to Huck Finn your asses to come clean out his garage 😉

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    Fun to watch yesterdays show as well as listen to it.
    Watched VFTV III for the first part of Set 1 & YouTube for the rest.

    I'd say it's a good show, but not great.
    They lost me with the 2nd set LLR and for me it felt pretty routine after that.

    Much better stuff earlier in the year ;)

    It might've also been that I'd listened to 8/3/02 The Other Ones for the first time earlier in the day.
    That was pretty far out!

    It makes you think what could've been..

    Speaking of LLR, 6/21/85 is playing over here and we've got a Set 1 LLR > Day Job closer. Uhh...

    Fortunately I know that Estimated is a smoker, can't really remember the rest, and therefore I will relisten.

    BTW any ideas on that there BOLO Contest?

    Minus the plagiarized lines from Raiders, I've got nothing.

    Have A Grate Day!

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    DEADVIKES - Lots to see & hear in 1987.
    The ULTRAMATRIX are essentially matrix tapes that Dan Healy made. Healy would record the crowd / ambience and blend that in with the SBD feed to create a more live sound. He was experimenting with it for awhile, but 1987 seems to be when he focused (exclusively?) on it, could be wrong on that. So most of the Tapes from the time period he was doing this, sound like a matrix tape with audience noise (sometimes way too much) and are called ULTRAMATRIX or ULTRAMIX.

    The Spring Tour of '87 unfortunately, appears to be when Healy was figuring out how much of this ambience he wanted on the tape, and IMO those tapes tend to have too much ambience making them sound more like an Audience recording than the '85 crystal clear SBDs we'd come accustom to.

    I was super stoked after Spring '87 shows to get the tapes, I wanted a dope SBD of those shows so I could see if what I thought I saw was amazing as I felt it was. So I waited and waited and waited. Never could find one, instead I had what sounded like a pretty good audience tape. Turns out it was a muddy transfer of Healy's ULTRAMATRIX recordings and the crystal clear SBD never appeared. In 2017-2019 Charlie Miller started to post some Upgrades of the ULTRAMATRIX cassette masters from I believe Joani Walker. Hopefully there's some even better transfers brewing in the Don Pearson stash that have been trickling out, I guess we'll see.

    Some love em, some hate em.. yada yada. I'm still curious about whether or not in cases where what circulates is an UltraMatrix if there is also a "clean" SBD tape as well in the Vault. It would appear that the answer would be "sometimes". For example 3/26/87 what circulates is the Healy ULTRAMATRIX but there appears to also be a straight SBD of this show, which Dave L. played on Taper's Section (BTW it was DL's first show & a Charlie Miller Fave and worth checking out!). I'd love to find out that the Vault has "clean" SBDs of all these shows in addition to the ULTRAMATRIX that circulate, but I think that's probably not the case, or we'd have heard more. It's possible though, and it's probably more of a case of they have some but not all. I guess time will tell if we live long enough.

    I've been trying to find out since '87 so yeah, don't hold your breath.

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    Hey Pocky Way through My Brother Esau are included as bonus footage on View from the Vault III. Great stuff.

    Bird Song is hot. Maggie's Farm Cumberland, oh yeah! Stella Blue is moving. Quinn the Eskimo finish, yes!

    Can anybody explain what an ultra matrix recording is? I am familiar matrix recordings (Dave's #8).

    Time to do some more research on 87. A lot to offer. Don't think we will ever see an 87 Dave's Picks release, but man, it would be cool.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Tue, 12/22/2020 - 19:25

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I did listen to 12-31-77 a few days ago.
Might watch 12-31-78 for NYE.

Last 4,
all today because I just finished painting my kitchen.
11-7-85 miller.139852
12-21-68 miller.89718
7-25-74 miller.12656
3-23-95 miller.25273

All Miller’s.
Thanks Charlie.

Yes, 3-23-95 is quite nice.
The Bruce factor!

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Submitted by bob t on Tue, 12/22/2020 - 19:53

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Lets put it together tomorrow, and start on the 24th? So the 8 days of New Year' eve!! Bob t

How about instead.. a listing of shows where the Dead played at over 7.7k feet above sea level in elevation?

(in my best Rocky from Rocky and Bullwinkle, "that trick never works"). Ok. New Year's shows it is, I'm all in.

12/31 from 81 and 82 don't compare to the ones already suggested.. but they are no slouches and personal, under the radar favorites. I would also open up for suggestion that all the shows on the New Years run are up for grabs... if that's ok. Some of the shows just a couple days before were a ok with me and perhaps we would be remiss to ignore them. Besides, this keeps it a tad more interesting and less programmatic.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:14

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Ok here goes... Just a first draft. Tried to get something from every era. Need one more for 8. Thoughts?? We can do this...

12/31/69 Boston Tea Party
12/31/71 Winterland
12/31/76 Winterland
12/31/78 Winterland
12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium
12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium
12/31/90 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:26

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And if you are looking for an aperitif, I listened to 12/30/69 this morning-tasty!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 04:54

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Bob T great job, you are definitely the hub of the wheel.. Oh, forgot one, GOGDs pick, 12/31/72, starts out with a great version of Around & Around.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:02

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Most definitely a different feeling with home town shows. 12/23/70 is well worth a listen. Most of the way through this morning. Jim is correct that with any given New Years run it was an excellent chance that an earlier date besides NYE could be higher quality. 12/29/77 and 12/30/77 qualify.
Happy birthday Jorma.

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Submitted by bob t on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:11

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I really like that 72 New Years Eve show with David Crosby!!! Also agree how good the shows that weren't on NYE like a 12/29/77 or 12/30/ 69 or even1/2/70 are. Bob t

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Submitted by billy the kid on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 06:33

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Another great show not on New Years Eve, 1/2/72.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 07:34

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12/23/70 Digging that Deep Elem Blues!

Synchronicity in this selection Strider.
Not only did Jorma perform on this bill.
But there's a whole post at Lost Live Dead about how the Dead could even book this show 8 days before playing a Winterland NYE show :)
http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2012/03/december-23-1970-winterland-gr…

Good stuff.

NYE Show Extravaganza!
Looks like it's shaping up. Nice work Bob T.
And yeah, don't forget 1972!!
Also to rock the boat 1989 NYE worth trying to fit in there somewhere?

As for the shows that surround the NYE runs, we can discuss our favorites while we listen to these here NYEs.

The NYE hometown runs don't really start until '77 and two of the best surrounding run shows happened that year as mentioned here earlier by someone who saw them, Strider that's you. 12/30/78 is great too, but that's at the Pauley. Most of the '79 run is better than NYE. The list goes on, 12/28/83 is another. But we can talk about that ad nauseam while we listen to these here NYE shows. And maybe make a list of top 8 surrounding NYE shows and listen to those afterwards :)

How's that sound?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 09:27

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I'm hip!

So what's that list looking like now?
Cause '72 might mess up the math.

Maybe swap '71 for '72?
Don't wanna mess with BTK's bro's first show... but if I recall correctly '72 is more spectacular and it's one of my fave NYEs.
Not to mention Bill Graham's favorite NYE moment happened that night.

Am I being difficult?
Freakin' Dead Heads!!

So are we thinking chronologically?
Start with 69 end with 90
Or start with 90 and end with 69.

What are your thoughts on that?
Or we could give each show a number 1-8 and use a random number generator to establish order.

Just thinking out loud here. But curious about that.
Once that's established we're ready to go on the NYE bender.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 12:02

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....nice.
I vote for oldest to newest.

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:01

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... How about the the old 1999dead records release ‘’Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions’ featuring Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Pigpen ‘Live At The Yop Of The Tangent, 1964
July 16,17&18th as a started for the new Year among us ever so closely! Full Circle!
🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:03

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... How about the the old 1999dead records release ‘’Mother McCree’s Uptown Jug Champions’ featuring Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Pigpen ‘Live At The Yop Of The Tangent, 1964
July 16,17&18th as a started for the new Year among us ever so closely! Full Circle! I have two copies, one open and the other is still sealed!
I would recommend any fan of the band should have this little key to return to a important historical point & time in the birth of the Grateful Dead !
🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by Lovemygirl on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 16:11

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Leeds us to the mother ship which contains a plethoras of primo performances recordings available to release for the first New Year announcement which should be creeping in here any minnow my fine feathered friends! Let’s run let’s run run run ! 🙏❤️🤠💀🌹

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 12/23/2020 - 18:56

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And it's 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Here we go!

It's on, a NYE party that spans 8 days.

12/31/69 Boston Tea Party - Thursday Xmas Eve
12/31/72 Winterland - Friday Xmas
12/31/76 Winterland - Saturday
12/31/78 Winterland - Sunday
12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium - Monday
12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium - Tuesday
12/31/89 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum - Wednesday
12/31/90 Oakland/Alameda County Coliseum - Thursday NYE

Happy New Year!

Brought to you by BobT & the POTD crew.

Happy Holidays to everyone!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 08:07

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Happy Xmas / War is Over! If you want it
“Another year over and a new one just begun”
John & Yoko

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Submitted by unkle sam on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 10:22

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What a great loss and a sweet, wonderful human being. Saw him and Felix many times back in the 70's, those were great shows, Leslie could really rock and what a great slide player, check out "Crossroader" from the Flowers of Evil lp, and from The road goes ever on lp, the live version from the aforementioned lp is hot. The entire live side of Flowers of Evil is also very good. Dream sequence>Dreams of Milk and Honey>Roll over Beethoven, soo gooood. Some of the loudest concerts too, and when it was all over, they were all drenched in sweat, especially Leslie.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 12/24/2020 - 10:31

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Mo Monitors! And the only NYE concert outside the Bay Area

Everything to be seen at the Tea Party on New Year's Eve was a direct descendant of the Acid Test. The wall behind the band was bursting with gaseous, exploding galaxies, vibrant suns, flickering dots and spastic paramecia; every facet of the curving walls was covered with projections of comic strips, nudes, old etchings, portraits of the marijuana weed and photos of Boston; two movie projectors showed sporadic clips of Looney Toons, Spencer Tracy's "Boy's Town," and Olivier's "Othello."  And, of course, the Dead were there.

- from the Boston Herald Traveler, 11 January 1970 by Timothy Crouse

Too Much!!

The Boston Tea Party sounds like a pretty hip place. Also of note, by the time of this show it was located in the same building that was formally known as The Ark, which the Dead famously played in April and yes we all want those shows released. From what I can tell it had a capacity of around 1900 people.

The recording we've got here by Bear didn't come into circulation until early 1998 and is pretty dang sweet!
It also includes possibly the weirdest ending to a NYE show ever. I mean who else but the GOGD would spend hours getting folks all raved up only to drop into 4 obscure acoustic numbers at the end of the night?!?!
There's gotta be a story there, I think I remember reading it, but can't recall the specifics.
(Phil teases Dark Star and then Jerry calls it off and says let's take a break:)

"Well, it looks like the 1970s are going to be weird." - Jerry Garcia

This is one of those shows, that falls in the... "Think that was good? Well you shoulda been here last night!" category.
That being said... last show of the 1960s who can resist?!?!
And first of the NYE Extravaganza 2020.

Enjoy!

PS - If anybody has the Taper's Compendium Addendum let's talk. I really want to read that!
PPS - This is a repost / earlier post got deleted? Good thing I started saving them! Or is it so bad that it got trashed :)

12/29 is a warm up for 12/30/69

Might wanna just skip ahead to 12/30 & 12/31

Or listen to them all... it's the holidays!

Dug 12/31/69 it's a real good time.

15 seconds, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.. Happy New Year!

This is one of my favorite NYE shows.
Maybe cause I love 1972.
Or it could just be the Playing In The Band shreds.
Either way, great way to end one of, if not the, greatest year in GD history.

Also, this show contains one of Bill Graham's & Bob Weir's favorite Winterland Moments and a famously told story.

This is the NYE show where the guy climbed down through the ceiling tiles and hung on the wire and they canceled the show and Bill Graham talked him down.
It happens between Sing Me Back Home and Johnny B. Goode.
Most of the time the audio is cut out, but is included on the Recording of FM Broadcast on KSAN along with a fun Europe '72 promo commercial.

Worth seeking out if you're a historical geek like me.

Alright, well what can I say..
Merry Christmas!!!
Have fun with this one.
And Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards People!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 08:25

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My brother was at this show and he told me about the guy climbing in from the roof of Winterland. The Dead were looking up at him as he was hanging up there. Bill Graham asked him if there was anything he would like to say and he said "I'm 007" .

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 13:45

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Just one second, please.
If you could just try to find your way back the way you came up there. Please.

How about that Truckin' > The Other One > Morning Dew?!?!

I don't think I'll ever get tired of hearing that.
Most epic NYE jam IMO.
We'll see if I change that opinion during the Extravaganza.
I know '76 is pretty epic too, but there's no 40 minute Other One Jam...

Wow.

Alright, couple more fun facts.
Eyewitness states that the famous Winterland Mirror Ball made it's first appearance on this evening during PITB.
The band was wearing their Nudie Suits, 2nd of 4 appearances?
12/15/72
12/31/72
02/19/73
03/19/73 (partial;)

And yes, BTK he could only tell us his number, 007.
What a weirdo! Wonder what happened to that guy...

And now can we hear it for the greatest rock n' roll band in the world.
The Grateful Dead, please.

Alright, Good Stuff.
Happy Christmas!

PS - Anybody have the Dead.net Bonus CD that came with Winterland '78?
Supposedly that Bill Graham exchange is on there as a hidden track.
LMK if you're out there, I'm sure I've got something cool to trade for a copy.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 16:38

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I have the New Year's at Winterland Bonus with Bill G. I can rip it for you, provided it's not disc rotted like my DaP 1-4 and RT 4.5. I love those unexpected surprises. Be well, all. :-)

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 12/25/2020 - 18:10

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That would be so awesome!!

LMK what I can do to help make that happen.

Thanks WTJ and Happy Christmas!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 12/26/2020 - 09:16

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Big Ole Hello to all you folks out there in radio land as well

ne plus ul·tra
/ˌnē ˌpləs ˈəltrə,ˌnā ˌpləs ˈəltrə,ˌnā ˌplo͝os ˈo͝oltrə/
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1. the perfect or most extreme example of its kind; the ultimate.

Great liner notes by David Lemieux and Glenn Lambert (who was one of the host DJs of the KSAN broadcast) for this one.

Dave uses the ne plus ultra phrase in reference to 1974 performances of Playing In The Band, I guess I’ve always felt that was 1972. Something about Jerry’s playing and the Alligator sound vs Jerry’s Wolf sound just rings my bell harder. Did I mention I love Playing In The Band from 1972?

Anyway, this might suggest a new avenue of exploration for me. 1974 Playing In The Band relisten mission. However, I digress... big time.

We’re not talking about 1972 or 1974 right now, we’re talking about 1976 and in particular 12/31/76.

Epic Set 1 closing Playing In The Band which has hints of the days of yore and yet is rooted in the present which at the time of this recording was the last moments of 1976.

Last GD cow palace show, and possibly one of the most consistently fine played NYE shows in the history of the Grateful Dead? After this they’ll play every NYE through 1991.

I wonder if Glenn has a recording of the whole KSAN broadcast? How about it Glenn?
(apparently not to be confused with Gary! do your research ;)

Speaking about wondering.
I’m wondering if anybody has that Spirit of ’76 Bonus CD that came with Pre-Order from Dead.net?
Couple unreleased nuggets on there I’d love to get a hold of. Get a hold of me if you do :)


Meanwhile enjoy another epic NYE show by the Grateful Dead with the Spirit of ’76.

And big shout out to wilfredtjones for being an awesome DeadHead.
Thanks man you rock!

PS - Why didn't that Here Comes Sunshine Jam happen at like every show or at least during every Good Lovin' without Pigpen? Love love love that!!!
So good.

A momentous occasion as we cruise into the 1980s here at Winterland in San Francisco.
1978 going on 1981, what you see before you is a 10, no wait 12, 12 foot long burning ember of marijuana.
Yes, let us begin the countdown…
- Dan Aykroyd Winterland 12/31/78

Brings a smile to my face, and really truly there is nothing like a Grateful Dead concert.

This tape was in some heavy rotation when I was but a teenage Dead freak. I mean just look at these Set lists, but it was more than that back then. It was the rumors, the stories, the legends, the guests, the recording, the performances. This tape held me spell bound just thinking about everything I was hearing and everything that was happening.

Let’s give it yet another go all these years later and see what happens, it’s already got me smiling.
Like a visit with an old friend.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 07:26

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Roger that.
And back at you.
Happy Holidays!

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 08:54

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I remember when the tickets went on sale they were $30 dollars apiece, we were shocked, we were paying $7 dollars to go to shows at that time. The tickets were given out through a lottery, you sent in a S.A.S.E. with your check and you either got back your check or you received tickets, we got shutout and got back our checks. The day of the show tickets wrent on sale in the box office, my brother bought one, I could have had one, I decided to stay home and watch it on TV, I was with a bunch of friends and we had a blast.
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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 12/27/2020 - 10:12

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12/26/69 was wonderful yesterday. 12/31/69 two days ago was also super magical. I listened to 12/26/70 this morning. Will listen to 12/26/81& 12/27/81 later today.
Have listened to more Grateful Dead in 2020 than in years. Also read more books than in years. Finishing On Highway 61 by Dennis McNally. Fascinating history. Super well researched.
Peace out, no piece out.